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The environment. Work our waye to through campaign 2020, we ask you this morning how important is Foreign Policy to your vote . How important is Foreign Policy in campaign 2020 . Here is how to take part in the conversation. 202 7488000 for democrats. Republicans, 202 7488001. Ndependents, 202 7488002 if not by phone, you can weigh in about Foreign Policy and campaign 2020 on twitter. cspanwj is our handle. You can also post on facebook at facebook. Com cspan. Talking about the democratic side of the race, 2020 democrats see opportunity on Foreign Policy. A picture of senator Kamala Harris there. Some of the leading democrats in the contest are working to strengthen their Foreign Policy addresses, eager to their own inexperience on matters and draw a contrast with the president s unpredictable approach to trouble spots overseas. They writes that vermont senator sanders is considering a trip abroad. Californias harris growing Foreign Policy team is highlighting her access to the nations secrets as a member of the Senate Intelligence committee. Pete buttigieg touts his military service. Massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren is talking about iran, venezuela, and peace in the middle east as she courts voters from iowa and new hampshire. So far, Foreign Policy has taken a backseat to the democratic primarys focus on domestic issues Like Health Care in the economy. National security could quickly become a front burner issue as the recent uptick in tensions iran and trumps flirtations with north korea have shown. They did spend part of the recent democratic debate on nbc asking Democratic Candidates what the greatest geopolitical threat was to the u. S. Here is a look at what several had to say. [video clip] the biggest geopolitical challenge is china. The geopolitical threat remains Nuclear Weapons. Go ahead, governor inslee. The biggest threat to the security of the United States is donald trump. Greatest greatest field clinical threat. The greatest threat we face as we are at a greater risk today than ever before. China. C threat our major threat is what is going on with iran if we do not one or two words. Climate change. We have to confront it before it is too late. Proliferation and Climate Change. China and Climate Change. China without a question. Mr. Mayor. Russia because they are trying to undermine our democracy and they have been doing a good job. Host just a taste of what the democrats are saying on Foreign Policy and National Security threats these days. Foreign affairs writes the majority of Americans Still support u. S. Engagement and shared leadership in international affairs, as well as u. S. Participation in alliances and agreements. The u. S. Electorate has grown more committed to these principles over the last two years. The president has moved in the opposite direction. That is from Foreign Affairs in late june. We will hear more from the president in a couple minutes. How important is foreign in this campaign 2020 . First, the democratic line from pennsylvania. Caller foreign is extremely important. I am a retired federal agency employee, currently reporting parttime to a licensed barbershop. Former policy is extremely important foreign is extremely porton. The American People have transcended political parties. That is where we are on Foreign Policy. Host is there a particular part of the world you are concerned about or particular aspect of u. S. Foreign policy . Caller one of the politicians made us aware that there is a problem in saudi arabia. Trump becausedent Foreign Policy is a multifaceted inng that cannot be solved the federal agencies or the barbershops or with the lobbyists. Host where is it solved . Where is Foreign Policy solved . Out of washington. Our taxes go down there to get people for Foreign Policy and right now you have the leader. It is President Trump. Host do you see a combination of the white house and what Congress Might have to say on Foreign Policy . Do you say it is strictly the president . Does the wave of the american voters. Democrats like myself want a president gets in, i know from being a federal agency employee, on our shifts we are unable to conduct Foreign Policy. We rely on the politicians in washington for that. From voice of lee pennsylvania. Another voice is robert in florida this morning on the republican line. What is your take on the importance of Foreign Policy this president ial cycle . Caller Foreign Policy is all right, but you have all these people coming in from different countries. I think donald trump is right. Sheis going after biden is racist. I will tell you why. Vars vicemas president. For her to go after him makes her look like a racist. She will never be elected. Biden have a chance but he will never get elected either. None of them will be donald trump. Donald trump is doing good in this country and that is what people have to think about. Manchester,n connecticut, independent caller. Caller i wanted to say that i is ave donald trump traitor and that i believe he is the worst possible thing for our Foreign Policy. Host how come . What has he done or said . That heit is obvious has conspired with the russians. He stole the election. He lies every time he opens his mouth. He is a rapist. He is the worst possible person to represent our country. What russia has americaus, beating about the face and head with donald trump and he is still in power, it is totally surreal. Host is there one of those Democratic Candidates that you have your eye on in this area of Foreign Policy . Caller i do not think any of them have that much going, but i prefer to see someone like Elizabeth Warren who actually is a deep thinker and is not just going to do whatever and insult people. She will actually get people around her that will actually know what is going on and have an idea. I appreciate cspan. Thank you. Host our discussion this monday morning comes on the backdrop of breaking news over the weekend. Here is the New York Times right up on the piece. A set iran is set to breach the enrichment cap of the 2015 deal. It said would reach the mets of richmond ranium enrichment. They write that this it is move inches iran closer to where it was before the accord, on the path to being able to produce an atomic bomb. President trump withdrew the u. S. From the accord last year and dealt a crippling blow to irans economy by attempt to cut off oil sales anywhere in the world. Retaliated by making provocative violations of the accord as part of a carefully calibrated campaign to pressure the west into illuminating sanctions eliminating sanctions that have slashed the countrys oil exports and crippled its economy. There is reaction in the Washington Times. Secretary of state mike pompeo condemned irans announcement, predicting it will lead to further isolation and sanctions. Nations should restore longstanding standards of no enrichment for Irans Nuclear program. Pose aregime would greater danger to the world armed with Nuclear Weapons. We have frank on the line now from tulsa, oklahoma. Caller thanks for taking my call. This is the first time i have calls. It is because there has not been much to comment on. Is covered in the scriptures. In the book of daniel, king nebuchadnezzar since a letter out to sends a letter out to his provinces that god set the basis of men to rule over other men. I love him. I pray for him, but trumps Foreign Policy must align with the prophetic. Iran, persia and the ezekiel 38 and 39, invades israel after they have been brought back to their nation from all the nations where they were scattered. That is when things hit the fan. Trump is on the right side. We need to keep him there. Voice their of rain. We will take more of your calls as they continue to come in. Here is a headline from the campaign. Joe biden, former senator and Vice President. There will be no nato if trump wins reelection. What they are saying is that he is sabotaging the president savaging the president s Foreign Policy agenda, warning that the nato will be disbanded if the president captures another white house term in 2020. Spent a couple minutes listening to part of the interview joe biden did with joe Cuomo Chris Cuomo and then we will get a reaction for the president. [video clip] the idea that we can go it alone with no alliances for the next 20 or 30 years as a disaster. How are we going to deal with terrorism without putting together coalitions of 50, 60 nations to take it on . We out i generation need allies. Thugs, kimcing jongun, a thug. He is embracing putin, who is a dictator. Arming our friends. He is threatening nato to pull out of nato. He says he has gotten nato to give in more money for defense. Come on. Letway, the idea that me put it this way. If he wins reelection, there will be no nato in four years or five years. You think there will be no more nato . No more nato. The chancellor former chancellor of germany stands up. She says we have to go it alone. We cannot count on the United States. Why did we set up nato . So no one nation could abuse the power in the region in europe that would suck us in the way they did in world war i and world war ii. It is being crushed. Look at what is happening with putin. Putin is trying to undo our elections. He is undoing elections in europe. Look at what is happening in hungary. Look what is happening. Nato has taken total advantage of him and president obama. We were paying for almost all of nato. We are protecting countries. Those countries have to protect themselves with us. They have to make a contribution. In my first year, i raised over hundred billion dollars from those countries. Biden did not know what he was doing and neither did president obama. Nato was taking advantage of them. Now they are paying for they still owe us a lot of money. Biden does not know about that. Fine, but they have to pay their way. United states is not going to killed on trade with europe. Europe kills us on trade and europe kills us because we defend europe and we lose a true medicine amount of money. We lose on trade and the military. President obama and Vice President biden did not have a clue. They got taken advantage of by china, by nato, by every country they did business with. Host your calls this morning on how important Foreign Policy will be or is to this campaign 2020. Debbie from beaverton, oregon, democratic caller. I hate Nuclear Power. Host how come . Caller the global greenhouse they claim it is a clean form of energy and i have never thought it was a clean form of energy. What do you do with the waste from it . I do not even know what they are doing with it now. ,et they are saying it is clean a clean form of energy. I do not believe that it is. I do not believe it ever was. Translate this into how important Foreign Policy caller how many countries are we going to go to and try to see if they are making it into Nuclear Weapons or not . They have come to the conclusion that if they have Nuclear Weapons, we are not going to go in. What if you have a Nuclear Power plant and they do not have Nuclear Weapons . Andthey have those bombs they can send them to a certain position. Suddenly, america has these Nuclear Power plants. They can blow them up. Is calling from florida, democratic caller. What do you say . Caller i kind of agree with that caller as far as Nuclear Power goes. It is not as clean as people say it is. What i remember under obama we were on the edge of going to war with iran, whether it was about Nuclear Power or not. , not was diplomacy there just i am pulling out and not going to deal with you anymore. That is a stupid way to handle someone you perceive to be a threat. I would much rather be able to go into a threats house and see what they are working with. That is what the iran deal was about, getting us in there to see what they are doing. Now we cannot do that. That is supposed to be better off . I think the underlying cause here is racism. It is all about the white guy trying to get rid of everything the previous black guy did. That is what it looks like. It is childish, immature, and bad for the country. That is what i have to say. Deae ints hear from maryland, independent collie caller. Caller the term racist i am sick of hearing that thrown around. I want to remind people what we dealt with with the funding of the Worlds Largest terrorist organization, being iran. People need to think about that. Foreign policy is important. Right now, we have to worry about shoring up our own borders and own sovereignty. That being said, then we can take into consideration the latter. This is common sense. I saw a report yesterday on a network that described certain Solar Companies which i love there were certain ones where their product is toxic. We have to weed all that out before we get all these things in the forefront. I am all about having a clean earth and a clean world, but i am not a globalist. I think it is important to take that into consideration. You work with other nations, but you have to have your own. Host thank you for calling. A couple other points about that iran story the wall street. Ournal the European Union is weighing in on this, concerned by irans announcement. Said the eu would with russia and china, the other participants in the nuclear deal. We have called upon iran not to take further measures that undermine the deal. We urge iran to stop and reduce reverse all activity. On sunday, President Trump said iran better be careful. Iran better be careful. Heres a tweet by a Foreign Policy heres a tweet foreign is an aborted aspect of the white house. If you do that incorrectly, in important aspect of the white house. If you do that incorrectly, it could lead to war. I do not trust President Trump. Usa today reports the president s Approval Rating has hit an alltime high. He scores on the economy but slumps on other issues. His job approval reach the highest levels. Say theyericans approve of the job trump is doing as president in this poll, which was conducted june 28 to july 1. Has that is five points higher than his approval and a poll from april and passed his previous high of 42 in april 2017. We have drawn from florida on the line. Foreign policy how important this year . Caller it is so important. I have to say that joe biden, if you watch what he says there, he does not even finish a complete sentence. The first thing you have to look at is the guys iq, when he cannot finish a sentence. The second thing is when it comes to Foreign Policy, these guys, all of the people critiquing him, critiquing trump, have all been in the government for years and years and years. They have not done anything to put us in a good position and now they are critiquing a guy who has only been in there a little over two years and making all these changes, which i think are very good changes. How joe understand biden was there for two two terms. I understand we give iran back their money. It was not our money. We took that from them and we stuck it in a bank account and made interest on it and give it back to them. Iou cannot take understand you cannot make everybody the bad guy and only we are the good guy. I do understand that trump is trying to clean up what these other people have done for so nato, the Council Foreign relations. People thate elect themselves to go ahead and put everything in charge . It is a rigged game. If we do not do something about it, that is why we need trump in there, to do something about it. Host john from florida. Alyssa agrees with john. Trump is making America Great again on every level. Respectcountries american leadership. They see that trump means what he says. Line,e mary on the democratic caller. Thatr i would like to say first to the lady who is tired of hearing about racism stop people tell people to stop being racist. Foreign is extremely important. Trump is not good at all. He is a liar. Pompeo is a liar. Bolton is a liar. We broke the deal. Trump broke the deal. America still wanted to be in it. Iran is doing what any country would do if you break a deal. If United States were treated like that, they would do the same thing. We have enough Nuclear Weapons to destroy the world. Why should any other country decide we should not have Nuclear Weapons . Foreign policy is important to keep peace, but right now we do not have any peacemakers. The Republican Party is defunct. The Democratic Party is butting heads. They better get it together for 2020 if they want my vote. Right now, we need everything to go back to the way president obama had started. Riding onitin the tail codes of president obama. He is jealous of obama and that is why he is breaking these things that president obama put in place that were taking this country forward. A liar. S bolton is a liar. You know where they came from. They helped start the war in iran. From massachusetts, independent caller. Years this is almost 500 of basically white imperialism. You have the synagogue of satan in israel. Has not changed. Zionism, bankers, corporations communism, fascism, zionism. God does not love everybody. Read your bible. Don forat was massachusetts. A couple tweets on all of this. Pay itss gotten nato to fair share. You cannot fight enemies like russia without money and weapons. Obama and biden did nothing to get nato a fair share. Charles writes i am better off financially than i was two years ago. Trump tookving since office, especially my chinese investments. Talking there about china and linking it to his personal investments. Thes a little bit from joint chiefs of staff chair talking about National Security at brookings. Heres what he had to say recently about russia. [video clip] was iears ago, i had my confirmation hearing in july of 2015. I was asked in the confirmation hearing what do you think is the most significant challenge facing our country . If i had to point out someone who could pose an existential threat, i would have to point to russia. I talked about their nuclear cap ability, their cyber give ability, georgia, crimea. , their cyber capability, georgia, crimea. We were still debating in nato how to deal with russia. I think it is now fair to say there is general consensus that russia poses a threat to the Nato Alliance and we need to take steps to deter. If deterrence fails, defend the alliance. Dunford there at an event at brookings. If you want to watch the whole event, go to our website, cspan. Org. Florida,alling from democratic caller. Caller my analysis of the situation is when you go back into history and look at the relationship between the United States and iran, at one time there were outlaws. That is when we were able to be in that country and we had control of their oil. When certain people came into power the people in iran got tired of the United States taking their resources. Was, in 1979 when they took over, the people had an uprising. They naturalized the oil companies. That is when iran became one of our biggest enemies. We started calling them the axis of people at one time. At one time. The iranian people are not antiamerican. It is just that our Foreign Policy and our attitude toward them because we cannot control their resources is what is making us what is making us become enemies. I think that china and the soviet union are backing iran the soviet union is becoming dangerous. This is a big smokescreen. This is the Biggest National terror engage in other things across the middle east, but that is not our problem. They are not an enemy of the United States. For us to make them one i do not see the logic in that. All of this is driven because of money. It is driven because of corporations wanting to engage themselves and take resources of that country. What i am thinking is scary. If china and russia does not back down, meaning that they wep iran as a friend, when engage with them, what we are dealing with is not only iran. We are dealing with china and russia. This is a bad message. If you see all the countries who we considered our enemies, like north korea, once they obtain Nuclear Weapons, you do not see us attacking them anymore. Host you are calling on the democratic line. If you look ahead to the rest of the campaign and the election, is there a single democrat or two you have your eye on in terms of this area . Caller i do not see anybody strong on Foreign Policy. I do not see anybody. The person i am taking seriously is Elizabeth Warren because at least she has a policy. She is not just talking rhetoric. Ttigieg but he does not have enough Foreign Policy or domestic policy drops for me for me yet. But he is a very intelligent guy and i like some of the things he is saying. Honest see they are compared to other politicians out there. Host isaac is hanging on in new york, democratic caller. Caller hello. Host can you turn the sound down on your set please . Said biden does not finish sentences. Has trump ever finished a sentence . He is so hateful of obama. Everything that obama did that was right to bring this world to peace he is demolishing. You call him a president . I do not understand. What is wrong with us . That is what i have to say. Host we will do this for about 30 more minutes. We are asking how important foreign is in campaign 2020, working our way through some of the news stories. Heres the Washington Examiner. But he wasate may, making the point that democratic on0 hopefuls have been awol National Security. They concluded that President Trump is unusually vulnerable on National Security for a republican based on extensive research, but they are warning the partys 2020 contenders are squandering this unique political opening. They better get going through the crowded field of would be white house nominees has been virtually radio silent on the range of threats facing the u. S. , from terror to illegal immigration to cyber attacks. They prefer to touch on domestic issues such as health care. As we have been reading and other pieces, they are starting to target those issues. We will see if some of the future debates and speeches cover we are covering bring up more about Foreign Policy matters. From new jersey, the democratic line. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. I want to start with a couple of realities. There are eight billion people on this planet and going up every day. Country, the United States, is the best, richest country that has ever been. I would like to see us go back to the climate accord. I would like to see us have policies enacted that can combine economic incentives with so everybody can have a positive attitude about the climate. I am not quite sure how we can do that, but if we have trade agreements where we reward economically countries that think about the climate and what it is doing and we have a global understanding of the existential threat, i think that would be great. I hope democrats i know it is a priority for them and i would like to see them pursue that further. Host lewis is calling from florida. You are calling on the republican line. What would you like to say about Foreign Policy . How important is it in the campaign . Caller i am all the president ial Advisory Board for veterans. We have over 300,000 veterans that are homeless, nowhere to go, no food, no nothing. How come they do not take care of us . I think the whole army could walk out and then we would not have any wars. It is terrible. 70 service totally disabled and i cannot get out the door. They tell me going to a home. We cannot help you anymore. This is ridiculous. I spent three years in vietnam. I got agent orange and nobody gives a crap. They say they do, but they do not do anything about it. What are you going to do but the 300 people out in the streets that are veterans 300,000 people out in the streets that are veterans . They need to find homes for these people and 50 of them are mentally ill. Wake up, america, and realize your own people are having trouble. Take care of them first. Patty ins hear from connecticut, independent caller. Caller i would like to talk about iran. Extension. A 12 year did you ever hear the words death to america, death to israel . Lets take a guess what is going to happen after 12 years. They will threaten us again. The man who called from can i get connecticut, i would like to differ with him on this. We have been living under a dictatorship of democrats for years. Two of the highest taxes ever. We are in debt. People are bailing out of connecticut. I wish he would wake up and vote republican. We are stuck here. We cannot sell our houses because no one wants to come here. Wake up in connecticut. In his right. Lled we should be giving them money, not illegal immigrants. Host calling from connecticut was patty. A little bit more news out there conservatives are sweeping the power in greece. This is a Washington Times headline. They are talking about the Prime Minister conceding defeat sunday after a partial vote count showed greeces opposition conservative winning the first parliamentary election since the country emerged from its bailout. The Prime Ministers party 31. 5 . The result was a stinging blow ipras, who insisted he could overturn opinion polls. His election four years ago was seen as a popular rejection of the austerity programs forced on athens by creditors and eu partners. The lead story in the Washington Post today says the fbi and i. C. E. Tapping into license photos. Customs enforcement has turned databasesers license into facial recognition gold mines, scanning through photos without knowledge or consent. This is according to documents recently released. Thousands of internal emails over the past five years by george shall all researchers and provided to the post revealed that federal investigators have turned state department of Motor Vehicle databases into the bedrock of an unprecedented surveillance infrastructure. They go on to say that police have long had access to fingerprints, dna, and other biometric data taken from criminal suspects, but the dmv records contain the photos of a vast majority of state residents, most of whom have never been charged with a crime. One more paragraph in the story Neither Congress nor state legislators have authorized such a system. Growing numbers of democratic and republican caller lawmakers are criticizing the technology as a dangerous, republican lawmakers are criticizing the technology as dangerous and pervasive. Tapping into. Drivers license photos. I can imagine hearing more about that on the hill. Bruce is calling from indiana, republican. Foreign policy is very important. Kristi has is on the right track president has us on trump has us on the right track. Iran has been sponsoring terrorists. We give them all that money. They are going out and harming everybody. They need to stop them somehow. Host thank you for calling. From texas, independent caller. Caller good morning. On a couplespond things. One of them is when they talk. Bout how bad things were President Trump, before he became president , he came out and said russia needs to come in. You have him on video on his speeches. He said russia needs to come in dealelp us with our voting to protect our voting deal. Twice, on two occasions. I do not understand American People supporting him and he said that. He has not taken it back. He protects put in on that. Putin on that. The other thing is when they said we need to protect our own people first. ,t is the Republican Party people in the republican , goings and senate against our own American People because every time they bring up thell on trying to support American People, the ones that need help, we cannot pay for it. How are we going to pay for it . No matter what they bring up to help people, they consider we cannot pay for it. But they can pay for Everything Else that does not help the people. It is amazing. That last caller mentioning President Trump. Heres what the president had to say leaving the white house friday on the way to his golf resort in new jersey, calling out the Previous Administration on its policy toward china and north korea. [video clip] what joe biden has done with china we have lost our trust with china and china is dying to make a deal. We are taking billions and billions of dollars in tariffs. China is paying for it. It is not our people. If you look at what we have done and what we have straightened out, i call it the obamabiden mess. We are straightening it out, whether it is north korea you were going to end up in a war with north korea and now the relationship is a good relationship. We will see what happens. Au were going to end up with war with north korea. Host here is a tweet talking about the president and Foreign Policy. Foreign policy requires thoughtful planning and discourse. Proclamations could get the world into war. Nuclear war is not reversible. Trump must step aside for a more knowledgeable president. We have North Carolina on the line, democrat, howard. Caller boy, dont that man hate barack obama . Hehing that he says just tells us in so many ways that he hates obama. I called in about Foreign Policy. ,e all know that President Trump, does not have a Foreign Policy. He is always after our allies. He hates them. He throws his arms up in meetings with them. Is mad and angry and talking about how much money he pulled in from our allies. We know that is a lie. You will never hear him say anything negative about russia, israel, or korea even syria. He wants to shake their hand and hug them and play footsie with them. I know we are in trouble with this president concerning how to articulate with others because he cannot do it. One other thing you notice a lot of republicans get on the go to the new testament and talk about how good jesus is. I want to thank you for the time. Host thank you for calling. Doug is calling from delaware. Republican. How important is Foreign Policy for campaign 2020 . It is fairly important. I will not quote scripture, but i will quote Hillary Clinton on the around on the around iranar deal on the nuclear deal. She said it was the biggest giveaway since czechoslovakia went to hitlers. Quote not from the old testament, that Hillary Clinton is saying that barack nuclear deal was a joke or other thing is when donald trump says we are using 100 million to nato losing 100 billion to nato and it is not urgent in the news media, that does not it is not mentioned in the news media, that does not mean it is not true. I agree with him. Anybody understand how could really vote democrat. That is just me. I know everybody has their own opinion about things. I used to be a democrat. President mber when obama was using the irs to target t party members. Rty members. It was not in the news media. Host is that when you switched over . Was it before or after . When did you switch from a democrat to a republican . 2012. about i would listen iws media reports about switched 2012 because of syria. I did not agree with our involvement in syria. It is almost like Everything Else. I feel like experts who were telling us to go into syria were wrong. Because im not an expert in that topic, i guess i do not have a say, but i do not agree with us being involved in syria. President obama got involved. His own secretary of press was syria that our policy in to determine who the extremist terrorists were and to not give them weapons and money and trading training and to give nonextremists money and training. I did not agree with us being in syria. I think it how was gibbs. I do listen to talk radio. Ono consistently hear things talk radio that are not on cnn. I will be in my truck and drive. I listen to talk radio during the day. I come home and listen to cnn at night. None of the concerns that seem to be on radio ever seem to come out on cnn. Benghazi seems to never be a cnn topic. The email scandal never seems to be on cnn. The quote that Hillary Clinton that i mentioned earlier saying nuclear deal was the biggest giveaway since trickles of aki a czechoslovakia went to hitlers never seems to be on cnn. Hitler never seems to be on cnn. Host how important is Foreign Policy to campaign 2020 . Foreignaffairs. Com, you can read about their citation of a recent poll about how democrats are feeling about Foreign Policy. Right now, democrats are looking for a leader who can revive important alliances that have withered under trump. Study survey showed that 70 of democrats leaning toward the Democratic Party rated improving relationships as their top Foreign Policy goal. A majority of democrats say that u. S. Relations with the rest of the world are worsening. Unpublishedng to an partisan breakdown. The u. S. Is losing allies, 77 according to that pole. The broader electorate feels similarly with 56 of americans saying Foreign Relations are worsening. 57 say the u. S. Is losing allies. In this light, trumps Foreign Policy successes look more like liabilities we should expect trumps democratic challengers to exploit that. That is in Foreign Affairs. Ken calling from washington, d. C. , independent caller. Caller good morning. In reference to your previous caller who drove around in his truck and decided he used to be a democrat and now is a republican, more often than not someone decides to take a different set of facts and that starts to prevail over a long period of time. Means i am for me more conscience conscious. I thought the topic was not about barack obama, but they go back to barack obama. In regards to Foreign Policy, the United States has done more to destabilize the world. A rational person could see that. We have done more to destabilize the middle east than any other country in the world. It seems like it continues. I do not understand how someone would find donald trump trustworthy and anything he does, let alone rational. There is a reason why the majority of his senior military staff is gone. There is a reason why a lot of his cabinet positions are not filled. Now they are under the impression that this man who goes on a television show, who is a failed businessman no one in their right mind would take a job that pays less money unless you had debt or owed someone. I find it very ironic that more often than not we support israel and their endeavors but Israel Attacked the United States in 1967. They killed a lot of sailors. They refused to apologize. Go to arlington and you will see the monument for those sailors. When we make war, we find plenty of money, and unending budget. When it comes to fixing infrastructure and other things in this country, for some reason we want to put a limit on it. I think he is one of the most incompetent people that has ever held the office. To get some going other voices and, including the voice of someone at the state aboutment, who is talking National Security for a minute or two at a House Intelligence Committee hearing on the implications of Climate Change. We felt we would bring this up because one of our earlier callers mentioned Climate Change. [video clip] we expect Climate Change will affect u. S. National security interests in multiple ways. It is certain to ripple across political, social, economic, and Human Security domains worldwide, including economic damage, threats to human health, energy security, food security. We expect no country to be immune to the effects of Climate Change over 20 years and some populations will not be able to or respond more effectively than others. States in subsaharan africa, central and Southeast Asia, are especially vulnerable, as our small island nations. Climate change effects could undermine Important International systems on which the u. S. Is critically dependent, such as trade routes, food and energy supplies, the global economy, and domestic stability abroad. Most countries, if not all, are already unable to fully respond to the risks posed by climate hazards. Under present conditions, countries with weak institutions, low governmental legitimacy will have increased risks of instability. We can expect heightened tensions over Natural Resources such as water. Come locations are many with respect to Human Movement complications are many with respect to Human Movement but could be dramatic. Byreme events amplified Climate Change may impose humanitarian challenges, particularly they occur with greater severity or more frequency. Two words that get the intention attention of National Security officials are uncertainty. Host Climate Change is a big issue on the democratic side. We understand the president is making a speech today on the environment. That he willios tout what he sees as his successes in the environmental area. We will get you more information on that speech later in the program. Robert, baltimore, democrat. Foreign policy how important . Caller i do apologize for calling in on the democratic line. I am now an independent. Regarding how Foreign Policy impacts the campaign, i would say this. For the most part, when i listen to the candidates speak, and this goes to all of the Democratic Candidates and trump , there are certain things i try to identify. I try to identify whether these prospective president ial candidates really are nothing for ourn mouthpieces ally in the middle east or whether they are independent thinkers. I really have not heard anyone who is a true independent thinker. When you look at our foreign , we have essentially operated by the doctrine set forth by israel. The 90s 1990s said there were seven countries we would take out in five years. Many of them we have enacted regime change libya and so forth. Findoint is unless we candidates who are able to speak and not beown selves a sound work for israel, we will for israel,ndboard a lot of other countries know what the deal is. The biggest driver of our Foreign Policy is propping up our fiat. All of the countries that general clark alluded to in the 90s were countries that did not want to take on u. S. Debt using our u. S. Dollar as the default currency. That is why we parked a missile in qaddafis lap. Hillary clinton realized he was trying to start a National African conference using a different currency. For the most part, our foreign toicy is dictated by israel prop up our currency. There was a general in the 1930s and 1940s who said war is the biggest racket and we have not gotten out of it yet. Host going to get a couple other calls in if we can between now and the top of the hour. One topic we have not talked about yet is afghanistan here is a piece from the nbc president ial debate in late june, where tim ryan and tulsi gabbard, members of the house, went head to head on whether the u. S. Should keep troops in afghanistan. 202 7488001 202 7488002 [video clip] as a soldier, i will tell you that answer is unacceptable. We have to bring our troops home from afghanistan. We have lost so many lives. We have spent so much money, money that is coming out of every one of our pockets, money that should be going into communities here at home, meeting the needs of the people here at home. We are no better off in afghanistan today then we were when this war began. This is why it is so important to have a president , commanderinchief, who knows the cost of war and is ready to do the job on day one. I am ready to do that job when i walk into the oval office. I am going to go down the line here. 30 seconds. I do not want to be engaged. I wish we were spending this money in places that have been completely forgotten and we were rebuilding. The reality is if United States is not engaged, the taliban will grow. They will have bigger, older, terrorist acts. We have to have some presence there. The taliban was there before we came in and will be there after we leave. We cannot go to afghanistan think we are going to somehow squash this taliban that has been there. There, we were not in they started flying planes into our buildings. Im just saying right now the taliban was not responsible for 9 11 trade al qaeda was pure that is why i and other people 10 seconds. The taliban was protecting those people who were plotting against us. All i am saying is if want to go into elections and say that we have to withdraw from the world, that is what President Trump is saying. Line,alex is on the silver springs, maryland, republican. Caller thank you for taking my call. You just putc that on the section about afghanistan. I am also a veteran and was deployed to afghanistan myself, 2011 to 2012. I cannot help shaking the feeling that when i was there i was stationed on base that had a shipping container there that had on the side of it cyrillic spelling out the soviet navy. We have been in afghanistan longer than the soviet union was occupying afghanistan and we are still there to date. Understand that there were reasons why we went in there, but there should also be reasons why we should leave. A lot of people were talking about going into afghanistan and iraq we are still in iraq. About nation building. Going into the middle east and nation building. You cannot go into another country and nation build without understanding the climate and the people of that country. Assuming theyraq would accept us with open arms as liberators and wound up being caught in the middle of a civil war between two factions that we were not engaged with at all. With afghanistan, people are completing about the taliban. You cannot kill every Single Person in the taliban. That is not going to happen. We are right now the United States is right now trying to arrange treaties with the taliban in order to stop the fighting. They are not engaging the Afghan National government in those talks. It is just the United States and the taliban on the table. I do not know what they are going to figure out if they that iss to leave, but not nationbuilding. That is just deciding for another group of people how they are going to live. I do not think they will appreciate that much. There is that as going to livet think they are going to appreciate that much. As foreignat as far policy is concerned, but i want to wrap up my segment by saying to the president ial elections. The president is not a lawmaker. He is an executive officer and his primary function is to represent the net it states on the diplomatic stage. I am a republican, but as far as being a republican ghost, donald trump does not represent the Republican Party. He has thrown u. S. Foreignpolicy off a cliff. If any democratic candidate who donthe white house i know if they have been asking this during the debates, but they should start, what policies of donald trump, if any, are they going to keep are they going to keep a no tolerance policy on immigration, the tariffs on china . Are they going to not stay in nuclear deal, are they going to keep talking with north korea, or what will they reverse . Will we be flipflopping of the four years. Calling,nk you for alex. This conversation on Foreign Policy will continue in the days, weeks, and months ahead leading up to the election. Have two hours left in washington journal. When we come back, we will look at the week ahead with Alayna Treene along with Jonathan Tamari, two journalists covering things in washington, and later we will be joined by gary locke for a discussion on u. S. Trade policy. Mr. Gary locke is the former governor of washington and commerce secretary as well. Lots more time for your calls. We will be right back. 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The president with Alayna Treene axios. What is the president going to say today on the environment . Why is he doing it now, why is it weird . Guest it is odd because a lot of people within the white house that we spoke to were the ones that were like this is odd this is more of the democrats issue, and something the president elect take it upon ourselves to tout our record on the environment. It is a controversial issue involving the Trump Administration because the president has not been one to help the perils of Climate Change or recognize it as a crisis, where is a lot of people have criticized him for that. We have seen a speech. There are some influences from his daughter a ivanka trump and her husband and Senior Advisor jared kushner. Are of them thought they new york liberals, as some in the white house call them, they are the ones pushing for the speech. The how is congress or rest of washington liable to respond in any speech at this point by the president on the environment . Any speech by the president is divided on partisan lines. That has been true throughout his presidency and is the more so true as we get closer and closer to an election. Democrats have been calling for action on the environment for years, maybe decades at this point. It has been a major focus during their primary or ongoing president ial primary. It is a rising issue among young voters. This is something a lot of voters do care about. It has become the number one issue, unlike in the password environment has been the third or fourth issue on the list. Democrats have a huge lead on the front. It is hard to see given president s last statements what he could say that could change minds, but we will have to see what he says. , do we have treene any details on the venue . Is thishe timeline afternoon and it is expected to be at the white house, i believe. We should not expect Climate Change to come up in this. We asked people in the white house working on the speech whether that would be an issue. Itll be focused on the regulations he has either pulled back from the obama era or the rules regarding natural gas. Host once we find out an exact time we will get information about an airing plan on cspan networks for the speech today. We want to put phone numbers on the bottom of the screen for our guests. We have lines for democrats, publicans, and independent republicans, and independents this morning. Alayna treene and Jonathan Tamari. Let me show you this headline in the wall street journal. A lot going on here with fiscal matters in these next several weeks and couple of months. Can you give us a sketch of what congress is facing right now . Guest they are trying to get the budget bills passed that they need to keep the lights on. That is really the main thrust whichde from oversight we will discuss, we will see oversight hearings continuing, but as far as legislating, the senate is moving judges. The house is passing bills that is part of their agenda, but had no future in the senate. Getting the governmentfunded will be one of the main things folks are focused on before the august recess to try to avoid a crisis from this fall when all the folks will be on the campaign trail. Host Alayna Treene, when we talk about the budget and fiscal matters, what are the priorities right now . To say is difficult as jonathan mentioned, it is a lot of trying to keep the lights on. The border funding, which we saw passed in the house and the senate recently was a huge thing for them and obviously immigration is a top priority in this administration. Otherwise, it is a lot of back and forth. The white house and congress recognized anything they want to do with some sort of purpose in congress is unlikely to pass both the house and the senate. Host one of the big issues was the census and the Citizenship Question on the senses. The president is insisting he will push back a little bit about this. Lets talk about that for a moment, but first hear from the president on friday as he was headed toward new jersey, adding the questions about citizenship. [video clip] mr. Trump we are thinking about doing it. We are doing well in the census. He made a statement. He wrote something out. The judge did not like it. Ford a lot of respect justice roberts. He did not like it. He did say come back. That is what he was saying. We will see what happens. We can also add an addition. We could start the printing and do an addendum after we get a positive decision. We are working on a lot of things, including an executive order. , the Alayna Treene president says there are four or five ways to do this. What are they thinking about right now . Guest last wednesday, when the president had started bleeding that he was angry with the Commerce Department and the Justice Department for saying with thed move ahead printing of the census without the question, it really caught everyone off guard. We saw a lot of scrambling in order to figure out how can we appease president come and find a different way to get this and find a wayt president and find a different way to get this added despite the Supreme Court ruling. They did leave a little bit of an open door saying unless the white house can come to us with real reason. For now it is trying to figure out how they can convince the courts to allow this question and one thing they are looking at is executive order. Ist Jonathan Tamari, what the posture right now of the congress on this particular point in the push by the president on the campaign trail as well . Guest as you would expect, starkly divided along party lines. Democrats say this is an attempt undocumented both immigrants and some people who might just recoil. Some people are citizens for recoil from answering this question and an attempt to diminish the account of people in blue areas of this country. The democrats had declared victory after the Supreme Court. People on both sides thought that was the last word. The president has other thoughts on this. It will be another one of those very sharp, cultural issues that divides the country and it is clearly related to immigration which is one of the hottest and most divisive topics in washington and on the campaign trail. Host a busy week developing and the busy rest of july developing. Well go to the calls for our guests. Harry you are up for us from ocala, florida. Independent caller. High, harry. Hi, harry. Harry, are you there . One more time, harry, are you the . Lets try shelley. Shelley in massachusetts. Caller hi. Host what would you like to ask or tell our guests . Caller i am calling about the immigration. My question is about the census. Yes, hi. Host you are on the air. Please turn the sound down on your set. I was calling about the immigration, the census. Host go ahead. Caller ok. I believe that citizenship should be allowed on the question. They dont care about us americans, it seems like. All they care about are the illegals. The legal host anything else you want to add . Fair toyes, it is not us. Egals cominge ill over and getting their votes. . Hat about our votes thet that is one of issues. Legally i do not think they have set up that explicitly, but that is one of the issues the president has raised on his own, that undocumented immigrants should not get benefits or be counted, but the counter argument is the census calls for counting everyone in the country regardless of citizenship status. That is where the dividing line has been at this point. Host Alayna Treene, take us inside the white house. We read something that suggested the president pushed back in the opposite direction because of criticism, slack he was taken thatthose around him after court ruling. Explain what is going on inside the white house right now. Guest one interesting thing we have not discussed is at the department of justice there is actually a turnover now of some of the lawyers that have been assigned to this case. Think what some forces have said some people do not feel comfortable with the way the president and this white house is handling this issue, pushing back on the court, trying to find a way around the Supreme Court decision to get this question added to the senses. There is a lot of controversy behind closed doors that have not been public yet. Host karl is in west virginia. Republican caller. Caller one thing you wont hear in the Mainstream Media is the Citizenship Question on the census is all about democrats gaining more power. If they count all of these illegal immigrants, like in california, they will gain seats in congress. Sanctuaryabout the cities. They know if they can get more of these illegals in certain more federalan get money, and they can gain seats in congress, and it is all about power. You will not read anything like that in the Mainstream Media. Host thank you for calling. Aboutan tamari, all power, that caller says. Guest that is the point of view of people who want this question added to the senses. People on the other side would say this census has been on for a long time without a Citizenship Question. They are trying to find a way to route resources and the census has traditionally been an a political process. There is a lot of concern that this on the democratic side that this is a way to target places that tend to be represented by democrats. There is also a fear that would this would discourage people that are legal citizens from answering this question they might find intrusive. Just getting people to answer random questions can be difficult and the more you had to that the harder add to that the harder it becomes. They are trying to get an accurate number regardless of politics here. Host Alayna Treene, we want to hear more from you, but lets hear from Ken Cuccinelli he was on fox yesterday and asked about whether this question of citizenship will remain on the 2020 census. [video clip] do think so. I i the president has expressed determination. The Supreme Court did not say this cannot be asked. They did not appreciate the theess by which it came first time. The president is determined to fix that. What you think about people that say the founding father said it is people, not citizens you have to count, and you worry a all you are a lawyer for long time constitutionally, how do you feel about that . Mr. Cogen ali i dont have a problem with that at all. If you look at what we have asked over the years, including the Citizenship Question many times during our history we ask a lot of information as well. In addition to getting the raw number of souls in the country, we find a lot of other information that is useful for governance. Host Alayna Treene, back to you anything else you want to read about the citizenship issue . Guest one thing i wanted to add in the caller brought up is the politicization of this, and how it is plain for the democrats, but jonathan brought up a good point this is supposed to be an apolitical thing and it is about directing resources to the communities given the count of the number of people there. Everythings is where under this administration becomes very political. It is great to point out that is not normal for the senses. Host we go to wilkesbarre, pennsylvania, democratic line and crystal, you are on with Alayna Treene and Jonathan Tamari. Go ahead, crystal. Caller good morning. I want to go back to the political environment when it comes to Foreign Affairs. People call i hear in and say President Trump is the strongest leader, he is the best. Lets look at it. He said mexico would pay for a wall. He it did not happen. He got up there, and he embarrassed us in front of putin of the world and of the world when he took his side against the americans. He took the side of the saudi arabians when he sent people here to bomb the twin towers. He has backed down from everything. How is he so strong . Afterhe said lets go him, then he became his best friend. There is nothing he has done in Foreign Affairs that makes him look strong. He looks very weak. I believe the u. N. Ambassador haley to europe who said he has been ambassador to europe who said he is very inept. As far as the census, lets look at gerrymandering. What are the republicans doing with gerrymandering . I will hang up and listen to you. , the firsthan tamari part of her comment is a good launching point to talk about what congress is up to this week. They have a big bill on the floor, the Defense Authorization act, which might take a few days to finish, but wall street journal points out the rancor following up from the border debate from last week is likely to continue on the house version of the bill. Legislation has become more partisan and will require more democratic votes than usual. We are reading about issues involving saudi arabia, iran, and others. Can you give us a preview . Jonathan tamari anything that guest anything that deals with military and Foreign Affairs is one of the few areas you have seen along with trey some members of republicans hesitant to go along with trump, but not enough numbers to reverse what he wants to do. Lately there has been a lot of focus on the u. S. Relationship with countries in the middle qatar,ke saudi arabia, and some pushback from democrats, certainly, and a small number of republicans. That is an ongoing issue. I dont know if they will try to insert any language into the Defense Authorization. Armshave attempted to stop sales to some of those countries already. They have enough to pass the senate, but not enough to override a veto. Those attempts have failed before. Foreign affairs and defense is one issue that is worth watching because it is one of the few places where you see republicans breakaway. Host Alayna Treene, as we watch the white house and watch axios, you have been touching on what iran has been doing, and you have been reporting escalation and plans to breach the enrichment cap. In newthe headline york times, within hours they will breach requirements set in this record. Tell us what the white house is thinking right now. Guest right now i think the white house is Standing Firm in their belief of maximum pressure. They are not planning to give any sort of sanctions relief to iran, and mind you, yes, they were the ones that pulled out of the 2013 nuclear deal. It started on the u. S. Side. All eyes are on europe, essentially, because this is iran is doing. Toward anot dashing nuclear weapon, but right now they are upping the political ante and trying to get europe to come to their defense and ease sanctions really relief, and all the while the u. S. Standing firm in their belief of maximum pressure. Host marcelo from the radio, texas from laredo, texas. Caller thank you. For us to be able to communicate with people we elect and are supposed to be representing us i understand the outrage from previous callers when they get frustrated about the Citizenship Question and the immigration the problem we have with immigration. ,e could look back in history for example, the time of oliver north. We created some of this instability with the nations oppressionsing for that we created. Here, registerm and do the paperwork, we get some money if we make it part of our country to manage education and retirement from the world bank. That is part of the frustration we dont have all the information. People. Very eloquent define the word axios, and you get some idea. Some of these facts dont come to light. We as a people that we are supposed to be this is a country where the people are supposed to be the ones in power , and the president is supposed to be a representative. Slowly but surely we are turning around. Areasition of the media that are giving us information we do not have enough information to make those decisions. We dont have the truth. It is even a violation of our religious right because he is teaching us to hate brothers and sisters that are coming to us for eight, and we do not understand where making money off of these people recreated the situation. Can you say why you did not address some of these issues . Host strong points there for marcelo. Alayna treene, why dont you start . Guest sure. I totally hear the caller on this. What is going on in the country is a mess and i think democrats and republicans will agree with that. There are confusing aspects. I can understand how people who on not really entrenched what is going on on a daily basis are confused by it. Right now, the big issue is what is happening in Detention Centers and more broadly trying to figure out whether there will be some sort of comprehensive Immigration Reform done by this white house. It is looking increasingly unlikely intellect that will happen before the 2020 president ial election and a lot of people are hunting off to see hunting the more off to see what more the democratic candidate are saying on this. We have seen border crossings rise to record numbers of the past few months. I agree with the caller that is much information than is to be out there should be delivered. Host we will hear from Jonathan Tamari in a second, but i want to hear from the acting dhs secretary kevin mechling. He was on abc yesterday defending allegations of what is happening at Detention Centers. Take a look. [video clip] why did you call those accusations is substantiated . Because there is food and water, and i know our standards are being followed. You dont believe the New York Times report . 13 clothingf the was so strong it spread to the ages you reference three things that were unsubstantiated an adequate food, uncleaned cells. None of those have been substantiated. I have an independent office the time . During you still think they are unsubstantiated, the ones i just read . We have an extra in a situation with hundreds of children crossing every day. We are asking for funding so the children can be moved into a more appropriate setting. Im not denying that are challenging situations at the border. Ive been talking about it the most. What i can tell you is there is adequate food, water, and the reason the children were at the station in the first place was so they could have medical consolidated they had shower facilities for over a year. Times saysyork host host Jonathan Tamari, philadelphia inquirer, where is this issue headed in terms of the pressure being put on congress and on the campaign trail as well . Guest the pressure is immense from congress and the home and Security Sector is coming in for Homeland Security secretary will come in for a hearing, which i think will be very heated. A number of members of Congress Went down and came back with searing reports, images pier 1 searing images, reports. One congresswoman called it a humanitarian crisis. It is not just that the Homeland Security Inspector General did their own report they did they found significant overcrowding. One image that stood out was 88 ll builtrammed into a ce for 40. This is something democrats will highlight. They will bring the head of Homeland Security up to the hill and try to have the cameras on him and really pressed these questions. On the campaign trail, it is democrats almost left them off the hook for having to propose an immigration plan because when they talk about immigration they specifically talk about detentions and ending these detentions, and there is so much focus on this there is not as much discussion about what a comprehensive deal would look like because most people are saying we need to take care of this border issue, the family separation and the children being in caged. Host lets hear from frank in bayside, new york. Republican color. Caller how are you doing . Host doing well. Caller i want to get back to the census question what happened to the rule of law in this country . I thought it went to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court ruled, and it is settled. Why is there any pushback . Just because we have a lawless president . Host Alayna Treene Alayna Treene, do you want to take that . Guest this is something that i think i mentioned before that a lot of people in the white house and within the Trump Administrations own Justice Department are trying to grapple with. The Supreme Court, i will say, did leave a door open to the Trump Administration pushing back on this. They did not close the door completely on this question not being allowed on the 2020 census. It is a great point. The Supreme Court did rule that should not be there and now the administration is trying to find a way around it. Have seen with a lot of other controversial issues, doing something with executive order, and that is what the president could have a showdown on this with the courts. Clarkstown, maryland. Caller i have two questions. I dont quite understand how a question about citizenship can he actually actually even work . The question does not take into account green card holders, of thery residents United States and people that have temporary citizenship. I dont see how that fulfills the definition of what the census is supposed to do, which is supposed to be a headcount of the United States. Can you explain that to me . On the foreignpolicy issue, i am not sure how Donald Trumps administration has been able to quantify partisanship when they are pushing for Ballistic Missile defense in a nuclear arms treaty. Ive never seen an arms control agreement that includes Ballistic Missile defense in its nuclear posture. He has allowed a new start treaty to run out, which is going to allow intermediate range Ballistic Missiles essentially to become a wide ranging threat in russia, china, and the middle east. If you could just explain to me how we will get a Bipartisan Center on some of these issues at the very least. I appreciate that. Host lets hear from our guest. Guest he talked about trying to fund bipartisan solution. It is really difficult to find a bipartisan solution right now in washington on almost any issue. It is we take a lot of skill and a negotiating and negotiating. On the iran deal, we have seen the president one of this overarching goals is to undo what barack obama did and one cup in some way. We saw that in trade deals. That is not necessarily obama, but a legacy inherited from other president s. , his argument is by adding Ballistic Missiles and more provisions he could get Something Better than the original iran deal. That is what he has told voters, when he seems to believe about himself. There are a lot of questions about whether that would be , having whether iran once agreed to a deal and see the United States pull out of it what it will take to get a deal in place. , do you wanttreene to add to that and get your , but theto the caller president s meeting with the premier of kotter what would they be talking about . Of qatar will be here over the next few days. I think the president and his administrations relationship with saudi arabia will be a big thing they discussed. Just going back to arms sales, a lot of people, especially democrats on the Foreign Relations committee is within congress have brought up the idea of arms sales they think this administration is trying to go around congress in order to get these things done. What we can see with the amir here today are negotiations over what is possible. Host Alayna Treene his White House Reporter for axios. Has been associated news editor since march. Alayna treene yes, guest yes, i have been there since 2016. Host Jonathan Tamari is National Political reporter for philadelphia inquirer. In of your pieces we read the inquirer, said the system is corrupt, rigged, not for working people why 2020 democrats sound a bit like trump. What are you writing about . Guest it was striking to hear at times, some of the language the democrats used captain to the populist anger that President Trump captain to in 26 tapped into in 20 and road to success. There are some democrats that spoke this way in the past. When you saw the debate stage and all of them up there together, you saw that a lot of them a lot of other democrats even when we take a more moderate positions, they were using the same kind of language and trying to channel this same sort of anger as they even as more, relativer to their party, toward the middle positions. It is an interesting way of framing things a change from an obama, who was very much he talked about inequality, but talked more about hope, and did not derive the system, or Hillary Clinton, who talked about incremental changes. You hear the democrats, even ones that are not as far left, couching things in terms of systemic change of systemic problems they want to address. It is just the way they are pitching their ideas to voters in a new way. Host lets hear from john, lakeland, florida. Independent caller. Caller i have a question about the census the Supreme Court says you cannot ask. Why does the irs get away with it when you fill out your income taxes . How come it is not addressed . The second question is if you leave your child in a car with the windows up and the kid dies, who is responsible . The car manufacturer is not. Your kids in harms way coming to the United States, why is the government responsible . You should be responsible. If you drag your kids four months, they should be prosecuted for child neglect. Thank you. Sure, with the census, i will take that first part of the question with the irs, and i would argue a lot of conservatives would be behind this as well as democrats it is the idea of paying taxes, whether you are here legally or illegally, you should pay taxes on whatever occupation in job that you have. And the job that you have. With the immigration question, it is a tricky one. Everyone a lot of people bring up similar points that the government is trying to facilitate these people coming in, but when Dangerous Things happen to them it does fall on the parents bringing these children with him. It is the United States law that anyone from another country does allow to come here and try to claim asylum. In order to do that, they have to wait out that period and process in some of these centers and that is why this administration, unlike the Obama Administration and past presidencies, they dont like to catch and release, let them seek asylum, and wait out the process period not in this. Not in the detention center. Host suzanne. Republican line. Caller we are living in crazy town right now. The dems said immigration was not a problem just two months ago. Trump is making it all up. Now they are crying it is all trumps problem. As far as money on immigration, yes, catholic agencies are many people in and making 2000, 4000 per immigrant. Census the question was taken off if you are a citizenship citizen or not, since 2010. Global warming it is a joke. I was around in the 1970s. Were going to have a cooling period. Now i dont even have to mention that. Now i just say all the predictions that gore made hasnt come true. Remember obama said he was going to fundamentally change america. Thank you. Host there is a lot there. Alayna treene, let me go to axios. Why the migrant crisis is happening now is one of the pieces today. After that question. Why now . Guest my colleague covers immigration and i think that peace is a great piece if anyone wants to read it, but right now there is this overcrowding we are seeing an attention centers. Detention centers. We have seen a spike over the last few months in immigrants trying to cross the border. The resources that immigration they are not standing up to par with those numbers. There are there is a lot of information misinformation going on with the conditions at the Detention Centers. Mcaleenan,n kevin the acting department of Homeland Security secretary, tried to speak to some of this, but the resources arent there. Thingsre a lot of loose regarding immigration policy and United States that this president is trying to reverse or change, and that is also leading to some of this crisis. Host there is also this headline trump dismisses reports of the poor care of children. Jonathan tamari, take us back to congress. Some democrats wanted policy provisions attached to the money going to the humanitarian aid of the border. They were unsuccessful in doing that. Do you expect those policy riders, those policy additions to continue to be pushed . Guest i imagine that folks will try to find ways to push them, but it is hard to see where democrats have the leverage to force those things inactivate, kind of, this chance in this border aid bill that just passed. That was a logical place to do it. It is something that has divided their caucus whether it was a number of democrats for more moderate districts that wanted to get something done and not leave for the july 4 recess without having finish the job. And this is anks opportunity to apply leverage we have to force oversight, restrictions, and enforce some rules on how these Detention Centers are run. There have been reports that there might be a verbal agreement between the white house and democrats, but it is hard to see how that will be enforced. Im sure people will look for opportunities, but they dont come along very often, so i dont know if it will have a chance. Host stay on the health a busy month leading into the august break. When hearings are you most watching out for . Guest i think the oversight hearing that we discussed earlier about the border Detention Centers will be an explicit hearing. As we can hear from people calling in, it is something that has captivated a lot of people. The images coming out of these places, the recording coming out of these places is steering. It is motivating a lot of people to act on both sides. I think that hearing will be something that will be closely watched. Host and Alayna Treene, the fed chair, jay powell, will be on the hill this week. Speak to us about what he is there to talk about and take us back into the white house again with the pressure the white house has been pushing on the fed chair. The chair recently pushing back. Guest right. Host what is going on their question mark guest one thing to there . Guest one thing to point out from the start, the president was asked whether he would try to remove the current fed chair powell undermine him in his role and President Trump would not answer the question. It was asked at least twice. He would not answer that question. There has always been a bit of bad blood we have seen between this white house and the fed chair, jerome powell. It really comes down to the president , as well as the Federal Reserve is supposed to be an independent agency. The president does not like what they are doing with regards to Interest Rate and the economy. The economy is the big thing that everyone is paying attention to ahead of 2020 because that is the one thing this president can tout that he has done and kept flowing. If anything happens to the economy, which can be altered by what the fed chair does, it could create issues ahead of the president ial election. Host robert is calling from brooklyn, new york, on the independent line. Good morning to you. Caller yes. On the subject question on the census Citizenship Question on the census, suppose a movement develops to oppose it by simply refusing to answer the question. Is there any legal penalty for refusing to answer a census question . Host good question. If i dont believe so there is, im certainly unaware of it. I find it hard to believe they would forcible to answer those questions. Theoretically that is a possibility. I do not know how widespread that would be. Dont be a concern that if certain segments of the population declines to answer the census and another segment does, that could create a lot of problems for the communities that do not answer and for the country as a whole trying to decide whether to devote resources. Host do you want to add to that . Guest no, i think jonathan did a great job. The problem with these questions and survey you never know not only a few were told to do it, but if people lie on this. People are concerned that people will begin lying when they get these forms. Host bill from irick, pennsylvania. Good morning. Caller good morning. I wanted to ask your guests if they heard the statement jeh johnson made. She was obamas home and security chief, and he came out with a statement over the weekend and said the democrats are shooting themselves in the foot left and right. I think they said there were 18 Million Viewers that watched the debates, and two weeks ago, before the debates, biden was up by 32 point. Today he is up by 10 points, and biden se underneath everybody else is tied with trump. Approval rights now is at 47 , the best Approval Rating he has had since he has been in the presidency. I am wondering, arent we putting too much reliance on these polls again because they sure one of your guests just tioned about lying somebody was lying in 2016 because they had us all believing that hillary was going to be our next president , and lo and behold, trump wins, and i cannot understand why there are not more stories out there about where is bill clinton . Epstein they indicted up there in new york, and bill clinton was flying down to the guys that guys island every other week for years. Has anybody seen bill clinton . Host lets hear from our guests, Alayna Treene, and here article that color was talking about. Caller he brought up guest he brought up the polling. I agree it is hard to put too much stock in this poll, especially anything pointing to a general election poll. Especially a primary poll i can see why they are trying to get temperature there, but it is difficult to tell who is ahead and made us there is a lot more that will happen over the next year and a half. With regards to the headline the democrats needing straight talk, this is a common thing we see whenever one party is trying to oust another partys president. You have to get together on messaging. There are 25 candidates running for president on the democratic side. There is a lot of diverging opinions when it comes to several policy issues, not just the immigration one. It is a common criticism that the party needs to get together on messaging and whoever ultimately becomes who wins the primary is up against President Trump ahead of 2020 they have to align on messaging. Host mr. Jonathan tamari. Guest when you are out of the white house, there are these big debates and we saw it play out when barack obama was president. You had some of the book into one to push to the right for a more conservative movement and some republicans that want to be more moderate. You are starting to see that on some issues play out with democrats on the left, particularly on immigration. We saw the debate a large number of carries said they would support decriminalizing illegal border crossings. I was surprised by the number of people that came out to support that. There are arguments this would alleviate the Detention Centers by making this a civil process instead of a criminal process. It would not be held in the same way. They would show up at civil court. Publicans are going to say this is the fact republicans will say this is the fact of open borders. They can point to this and said this is what they are in favor of. Terms of uniting on a message, some democrats are trying to appeal to the left and some are trying to appeal to the center and they are having an argument over which is going to be the best winning strategy. It will be sometime before they come to a consensus on this or a number of issues. Host as we begin to wrap up i want to bring up to date of july 17 a big day in washington. Lots going on. Alayna treene, why dont you begin by previewing the hearings with robert mueller. I was going to try to bring that up before when we discussed some of the biggest things this month. That hearing will be a massive day on the hill. I think the key thing with that hearing is that it is a public hearing. Robert mueller has said he would not testify beyond one go beyond the scope of his report, and i think a lot of democrats were pushing to him to come to the health and recognize that, but the key is that it is public. They want him to answer tough questions in front of the camera for all americans to hear, especially because it was a report cannotiled remember of Congress Read the report, so of course most americans are probably not read the entire report in full. They want them to answer and speak to the specific. Things and make it a television spectacle. Host Jonathan Tamari, what will spectacle. Host Jonathan Tamari, what will you be looking for . Guest i dont think we will see a blockbuster moment from robert mueller. Seeing him work the past couple of years, he has avoided anything like that, but having him Say Something on camera that people will then see on the evening news as opposed to having to sift through this dense report for the couple of really key, money sentences, i think it is something democrats are looking for, and that could potentially influence some people that are unsure of how they feel about this or maybe do not have all of the information because there was so much before the report came out. This might provide some counter to that for people that have not read the report or did not see the exact detail or quotes within it. I should add there is going to be a rally by the president on that same day, something we learned last week. Coincidence, perhaps . Guest definitely not. We have seen this in the past. Guest good counter programming. Host our guests have been Alayna Treene, with axios, and Jonathan Tamari, National Political reporter for philadelphia inquirer. Thank you for joining us. A rainy monday morning. I can your the thunder. Guest it is coming down hard. Host we have a little more than an hour left in this edition of the journal we will talk to gary locke about trade. Are also going to spend a couple of minutes after a short break on photos like this, and their associated issues. World leaders usa today showing the Womens National soccer team with their performance. Field, theoff the u. S. Team show sarah team for the ages, this age. Show that this team is for the ages, this age. We want to talk, some of the related issues. We will be right back. Tonight on the communicators,s georgetown universitys cal newport questions the value of being digitally connected all the time in his book digital minimalism. Newport social media can hijack the drive. All the while you are missing out on the deep connections to drive is supposed to push us towards. The same thing with boredom. Why do we have such a strong drive for boredom . Board amused to push us past Energy Conservation to do things that were meaningful, but now we can subvert that drive with a glance at a phone. Watch the communicators tonight at eight 00 p. M. 8 00 p. M. Span 2 eastern on cspan 2. Robert mueller there has been a discussion about an appearance before congress. Any appearance would not go beyond the report. The analysis and the reasons for the decisions we made. We chose the words carefully and the report speaks for itself. The report is my testimony. I would not provide information beyond that which is already public in any appearance before congress. Former special Counsel Robert Mueller is set to appear before congress. And on a clock a. M. Eastern he gives testimony to the House Judiciary Committee at 9 00 a. M. Eastern he gives testimony to the House Judiciary Committee. His report into russian interference in the 2016 election will air live on cspan3, cspan. Org, or listen app. The free cspan radio washington journal continues. Host a lot of photos making their way around the world of the u. S. National womens soccer team. Sports monday page of the New York Times. A very common photo that we are looking at this morning. Here is another similar photo after the final goal the second goal of the two goals the u. S. Made yesterday. The headline says the u. S. More equal to the task. Hereighting the word equal. They were pointing out that fans were chanting about better pay. The outspoken and outstanding women celebrate their fourth world cup. Here is a headline from the Huffington Post this morning 50 plus members of congress are pressing u. S. Soccer to pay the womens team fairly. That was an issue that came out yesterday. Heres a congratulatory tweet by President Trump. There is a line here in the Washington Post story that we wanted to ask. Was about far more than sports. Three months before the tournament kicks off in paris on june 7, the members of the u. S. Womens soccer team soon to their employer for gender discrimination citing wages and working conditions that are inferior to those of their less successful male counterparts. In doing so, the athletes knowingly and liberally met their burden greater heading into the world cup. Whether the lawsuit was a post match talking point or not, and it really was, each goal and each of three the u. S. Women scored became a statement about their prowess on the field and their leverage off the field. That is part of the tenor of the piece the leverage off the field. Chants of equal pay ring out of the stands in the delirious aftermath of sundays victory, leaving no doubt about how soccer fans would rule that they were judge and jury of the legal proceedings. Equalpayonds, the spike on twitter. Twitter was a social media of this platform of choice for soccer supporters, including former First Lady Michelle Obama and former president bill clinton. We will put the numbers on the bottom of your screen. Throughout 27488001 two o 27488001 if you live in the west. They are going to be issues of equal pay. They point out that that midler, tom brady, President Trump, Melania Trump also tweeted their congratulations to the team. E in richmond,nc california. Do you want to talk about this game and the calls for equal pay . Caller i think it is great that they win, but at the same time, i think that the news media spin is part of a larger effort of not one that promotes equality between the genders, but one of the cultural females of promises and. If we were talking about supremacist him. If we were talking about equality and equal pay, 93 of workplace fatalities are men. 82 of the homeless are men. Women live on average seven years longer than men. It is men who are the ones that are discriminated against, but because of our deepseated, dino gynocentrics biases, we cannot culturally come around an idea of real gender equality in this country. Host what you make of the headline that 50 plus members of congress are pressing u. S. Soccer to pay the women fairly at this point . Caller against that because there are so many yount areas where dont frame things in such a way by saying we will pay them equally. Under what circumstances . There was a scrimmage match in dallas where 15yearold boys beat this particular team in a soccer match. Of thees about because way the market rewards according to what is produced in the market. Where peoplething ofuld have some kind external coercive force from the meet some to try to kind of you go girl cultural mania thats going on which says that theres kind of a church of women worst that women always one it worse when the facts the ground are really that men have it much more difficult in our society. Host ok. We will wait for other calls to come in. Here is more from the Huffington Post about the pay. More than 50 lawmakers signed a letter led by representative jackie speier. They have lots of questions including how folks plan to address institutionalized gender within the u. S. Soccer team and a request for details on what the organization is doing to market and promote the womens team. Heres a copy of the letter you can see. They point out that female soccer players salary is roughly 30,000 less than their male counterparts. They also earn a much smaller bonus in the world cup. U. S. Soccer awarded the mens team of 5. 4 Million Dollar bonus after it lost in round 16. Team 1. 7 the womens million when it lost the entire tournament. We have a call from cheryl from pittsburgh, pennsylvania. The Washington Post says the victory was about far more than sports. Do you see that point . Caller i definitely see that its far more than sports referencing our white house. We have to see what happens with the president inviting them to the white house and what the response will be and how are we going to respond to our team after that. Also i wanted to get through on theme Information Fact that the census is going to come through and everything being said about it. I hope that i can just make a comment on that. Host briefly if you can, cheryl. I think the damage has been done purposefully. If he doesnt get it on an addendum or whatever that its already been out there to scare people. I wonder how many people actually fill these things out anyway. I think there should be a campaign now that we know that people happening to get legitimately who are citizens and can fill this out and say whatever they want to say to get them to actually fill them out. Because i dont even know if people actually fill all the stuff out. You are not going to be arrested if you dont. Host we want to get some other viewpoints on. We dont have too much time before we bring on gary locke to talk about trade issues and the usmca trade deal. The last caller mentions the potential for a white house visit by the womens soccer team. We have seen stories that say they dont plan to go and others that say they might still decide to go or at least some of them. We also read this morning that Speaker Pelosi has issued some kind of washington invitation to the Womens National soccer team as well. Ronnie is calling from fremont, texas. Good morning. Caller yes sir. Theink women ought to make same as whatever men are making if they are doing the same job. Host what do you make about the folks at the game yesterday in paris chanting out equal pay . Caller i think they are exactly right. If you are doing the same work as somebody else, you ought to make the same amount of money. In baltimoreis this morning. Hello. I would just like to say ive been watching cspan since 2003, 2004. Favorite show. Love it. Soccer, any issue scaleg with women and pay rights and Everything Else thats going on with the womens this aintght now, the 50s and nobody is burning no bras. Of legitimate movement going on right now with females and women and this andy that and as far as the pecos equal this and equal that, at far as the pecos, they are not paid as much as men in society in society in so many aspects anyway. No matter how much we need them or what they bring to the table its not equal. Realize a boys club thats been there since the beginning of time. Religious,be business, whatever. Women are put into a certain category or box and kept there. I think theres deeper reasons for all this stuff but as far as them going to the white house or anything like that, trump, i mean hes a misogynistic i dont want to say anything to get me kicked off the air. Can i use the word pig . Is that cool . Host you just did, ronald. Caller ok. Guy, maybeying, this they can make some strides if they go there and have a real conversation behind the scenes. Cameraas in front of the i just think that its for show and tell. Host the on the issue of equal pay you alluded to the fact that there is may be more a foot with a victory like this and the symbolism. The Washington Post saying its about far more than sports. Take us further into your thinking. Caller ok. Well, just everything. System,it be the social jobs, any kind of job. The way that women are perceived in society. Even from like i said religious. Spects i was brought up in a christian doctrine. All the women all the religions put women down. They created sin. All thats nonsense. When the first god that you know is the god that you come out of. Thats the woman. Your mother. I mean, i could go on for days if you really want me to. Is there anything specific . Host you said plenty. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. We have bj on the line. To congratulate the womens soccer for winning the world cup. Very very good achievement for the females and i want to congratulate them. As a guy who actually runs the recer program here in both and travel soccer, this is very important for us. In terms of the women pay and men pay scales, its going to be different because the mens soccer is much more elaborate and much more expensive. Youre talking about big clothes, the premier leagues, some of the top clubs. You wouldnt expect a female to be paid with the same level of cristiano ronaldo. Megan ruffino is not on the same level as lionel messi. I support the Soccer Program. I love for females to make more money. Youve got to be realistic at the Womens Program is not on the same level as the mens Soccer Program in terms of worldwide dominance. Much moresoccer is dominant. Youve got top athletes. You can see that also in the nba. The women nba is not the same as the nba. As much as we support the females and i would like them to make more money, i think they are making little steps and we are seeing all the countries around the world emerging in soccer. We need to invest more in female Soccer Programs. We need to give more money to the females. In terms of them making the same amount of money or the same salary host should the womens team go to the white house . What do you make of the whole idea of sports teams these days going to the white house once they won a championship in their sport . Ruffino. Love megan shes an elite athlete. I just think the whole confusion about white house, i dont like it. Tradition for teams to go to the white house and its important to go to the white house because she can go and express her feelings. She can tell mr. Trump how she feels. I think having a conversation with someone if you have a dispute or dont like what the person is doing weve got to encourage people. Thats what Soccer Program is for. Coming together, having unity, enjoying the game, enjoying the sport. Ringing people together. Megan, i wouldve see trump. Er to go i encourage the females to go becausethe president , thats what Soccer Program is about. Ick berg is bringing people together. Things that they love. Ask that they disagree with so we can all come together. Heres a tweet by former president obama. Victory. , back to back congrats to the record breakers on the national team. Love this team. Terry is calling from indiana. Evansville. Morning. Caller good morning. This victoryys yesterday was about far more than sports. Do you agree with that point and what would you say . Yes i do and i think they should be rewarded in all their efforts in bringing a championship to the United States of america. Back to back years. Andink they need to step up do the right thing and reward these women for all their hard work and all their hard efforts. Host does this transcend into other issues besides the pay in your view . Caller probably so. Todayk for the most part i would like to just limit my comments to the topic and not go off on other subjects. So i just think that they need to be rewarded for all their efforts. Host starling is calling from delaware. Go ahead. I would say that what theyve proven is that girls all over the world have an and showty to excel how well they can do. So they are being role models for girls all over the world. Is showed by their support and the people who were watching them. So equal pay, yes. But also that they are the best role models weve seen for women. Its not about whats outside. Its the heart and the fact that they are there achieving goals as teams so they show teamwork and they set an example for women all over the world. Host thank you for calling. Bloomington, indiana. David. Good morning. Caller good morning. Yes. I wondered if anybody looked at the economics of this. In a free market the people are paid for the money they bring in. Especially in sports. And how many viewers does the womens soccer team bring in and how many advertising dollars compared to the men. And i wonder if its that he. If its equal than they probably deserve the same pay. If theres a big discrepancy between income and advertising dollars than what they be worth equal pay . Has anybody checked out those figures . Host have you looked into them . Caller no, im sorry. I was just wondering if anybody had looked into what they are. It seems to me a component of the pay would be to they bring in the same amount of advertising dollars. Host just a brief look at the victory yesterday and some the related issues involved that have been spoken about. We are going to take another short timeout and then we are going to talk about trade. Our guest will be gary locke who is currently with the pass usmca coalition. Its all about trade and how best to replace nafta. He will be joining us from seattle plus your calls in just a moment. There has been discussion about an appearance before congress. Any testimony from this office would not go beyond our report. It contains our findings and analysis and the reasons for the decisions we made. Carefullyhose words and the work speaks for itself. And the report is my testimony. I would not provide information beyond that which is already beforein any appearance congress. Former special Counsel Robert Mueller is set to appear before two committees of congress on wednesday, july 17. At 9 00 he gives testimony to the House Judiciary Committee and later in the day he will take questions from the House Intelligence Committee. Both open sessions. Will airers report live on cspan3, online at cspan. Org or listen with the free cspan radio app. Tonight on the communicators. Georgetown universitys cal newport questions the value of being digitally connected all the time in his book, digital minimalism. We really dislike loneliness and we have a drive toward sociality. Social media can highlight the drive and give you the sense of im being social. Im typing messages. All the while you are missing out on the deep connections that drive is supposed to push us towards. Same thing with boredom. Why do we have such a strong drive for boredom. It used to push us past Energy Conversation conservation to do things that are meaningful. Now we can subvert that drive with a glance at a phone. Washington journal continues. Host joining us from seattle is gary locke, former u. S. Ambassador to china, former u. S. Commerce secretary and former governor of the state of washington. Thank you for joining us this morning. We asked you to come on as part of your cochairmen ship of something called the pass usmca coalition. We are talking about trade here. Tell us about your organization and what youre looking to do right now. Im very proud to be part of this organization which is made up of so many Different Industries and business groups from around the country. Including agriculture, manufacturing, minority chambers of commerce, pharmaceutical companies. To promote the passage and approval by the congress of the United States Mexico Canada Free trade agreement. Some call it usmca. Nafta 2. 0. All it its really modernizing nafta which was approved by the congress more than 25 years ago and since then our economy has changed. We have seen some of the defects and shortcomings of nafta. We now have so much commerce in terms of ebooks, video games, music and so forth and we really need to update nafta to both address the shortcomings and this type of new economy. The end result is that it will mean more jobs for the people of america. Incentives to outsource to other countries. Making sure that those things that are done in canada or mexico and especially mexico pay a significantly higher wage and also removing barriers for u. S. Products. For instance Agricultural Products so that our farmers and growers and you manufacturers can do more. When i was at the Commerce Department we had a saying that the more American Companies export the more they produce. The more they produce the more workers they need and that means jobs for the American People. Host the phone numbers are at the bottom of the screen for gary locke. We are talking about trade, specifically the usmca. We will have lines for democrats, republicans, independents on the bottom of the screen for gary locke, former commerce secretary and former u. S. Ambassador to china and former governor of washington. Headlines, of the time running out on a summer vote for the usmca. Exactly what is the status of this trade agreement now . The administration is working onh members of congress putting together the implementation language, the enforceable agreement that would then be cemented to the congress. Havent done that yet. They are trying to work out their differences ahead of time so that the socalled legislation would reflect the concerns of the members of congress so that they have a majority in both the house and the senate. Once thats finalized and an actual bill is submitted to the congress in the house has six days to pass it and the senate has 90 days to pass it. Stillre really working right now on those details. Host what are we hearing from members of the congress about prospects for passage and is this deadline what exactly is the deadline and is it a Firm Deadline . Its a Firm Deadline in terms of how soon the house on the Senate Must Pass the legislation. Once the legislation is officially introduced by the administration. The clock starts ticking at that point. But they have not yet submitted that legislation so there is no clock ticking. Of course politics enters into this and some are afraid if the agreement isnt right by the congress by the fall then once you get into the 2020 election cycles than and all bets are off. The membersrative of Congress Really try to work some of these details out. Some of the details are around enforceability. Just how will the United States make sure that canada and mexico abide by the terms of the agreement. Of course mexico has already passed the agreement. They have also passed a lot of new laws. For instance allowing labor unions to organize and how they will enforce their provisions and to make sure that this agreement really has teeth. Host lets take a look at some of the provisions in detail. I want to start with some of the repsfrom the u. S. Trade office. Increase access of dairy, poultry and egg products to canada. How important is this to agriculture . Its a big deal for agriculture which is why so many different agricultural groups have endorsed it from the Dairy Council to different growers. Benefit. Wine will in my state of Washington Wine is a big export crop or export item. Allowh columbia does not u. S. Wines to be displayed on their normal wine shelves. Displayed inalmost secret. So that will remove some of the barriers. Some of the disincentives and the favoritism that canada has given to their Agricultural Industry will go away and theyve really had some tough have made it hard for u. S. Agriculture dairy, poultry and eggs to get into canada. A lot of those barriers are being removed. Host a couple points about automobiles as part of the proposed deal. 75 of anst prove automobile to be tariff free and at least 40 of a car must be made by workers earning at least 16 an hour. Some big provisions regarding autos. Yes. At least 75 of an automobile must be made within north america. In order to not be subject to duties which simply increases the cost of that automobile. Contents of of the that automobile must be made where wages exceed or equal 16 an hour. Thats really aimed at mexico. Thats really aimed at making made int if parts are mexico that they have to pay at least 16 an hour. This will certainly discourage u. S. Companies from having parts being made in mexico or sending some of the Assembly Work to mexico. Really make sure that theres more of a level Playing Field in terms of wages so that theres less incentive to send this work to other countries whether mexico or canada. Host we will get to more of those provisions and what they actually mean and we will get reaction to whats going on. Lets hear from some callers first. Eddie is up first from mitchell, indiana. Democratic caller. Caller good morning. I have three comments. Had to sit is i through some classes at Ford Motor Company and they talked about how quality was in other nations and its like during the hours america destroyed most of these places and america rebuilt them. My second one is the law that the government passed to allow jobs to go to Foreign Countries i guess they never ever took that away. And my third one what really upsets me more than anything else that they talk about tariffs and how its going to hurt everybody. When the price of gas goes up . 40 on the gallon and it takes three months to go down, i believe that hurts america more than it does anything else. Thank you guys and i appreciate you taking my call. Host gary locke in seattle. You can take any or all of those. As a former governor and commerce secretary we want to keep as many jobs in the United States and certainly manufacturing jobs because we know they pay on average a lot more than the typical wage. We want to keep those jobs here and thats what the new trade agreement will do. It will make it easier for u. S. Companies to export. Takes away some of the barriers and that other countries like canada have imposed on our Agricultural Sector. Discouragesy it Auto Companies and Parts Companies from having that work done in places like mexico because if it is to be done in a bigger percentage of those parts and items have to be made where wages are at least 16 an hour. Of all the parts of that automobile must be made in north america whether its the United States, canada or mexico benefits mexico they have to pay a higher wage. Parts going to discourage from being made in other parts of the world and coming in. Thats really going to keep jobs in north america and especially the United States. Host alex is calling in lake charles, louisiana. Good morning. I wanted to ask about International Arbitration. A light of what seems to be curtailing of the investor stake mechanism in the usmca, do you think that we can expect the same type of deemphasis in future trade negotiations especially with more developing nations in Southeast Asia . There deemphasis thats going to prove advantageous to the United States in light of the u. S. As well as u. S. Companies favorable record in International Arbitration . Pretty technical and a little bit beyond my pay grade. That of the concerns people have about relinquishing u. S. Sovereignty in our work system and things like that are not being diminished in this agreement. And the other countries have already passed their versions of the agreement and have included significant enforceability provisions and the u. S. Trade representative has made it very clear that the United States government will enforce the provisions of this and we will not have to go to International Tribunals and we have mechanisms in place that would allow the United States on its own to make sure that we are able to enforce this without having to go to International Tribunals. Host we know folks want to make changes to this dispute settlement system. How did nafta work in terms of disputes . What were the processes in general and were they effective . I think some people would say they were pretty effective. I think the reason we are doing usmca is because we have seen problems arise over the last 25 in terms of the outsourcing of so many jobs to mexico where wages were so low. And thats why there were key provisions in this new version in which at least 40 to 45 of the work must be with wages of 16 more and that there have to contents being made in north america. Weve seen that nafta was not perfect. Certainly there was still discrimination against the Agricultural Industry. Unfair subsidies. And American Workers and American Companies have had to abide by for instance child , environmental provisions and health and safety whenles and its unfair workers and companies in other countries dont have to abide by those strict rules therefore putting u. S. Companies whether its our farmers or manufacturers at a competitive disadvantage because if another country can grow things or do things without having to watch out for the use of pesticides and the protection of their workers, if companies dont have to follow high Environmental Standards it means those products are cheaper. And so its harder for American Companies and American Products to therefore compete whether in that particular foreign country or around the world. Aboutats what is good the usmca. Its really raising the standard in so many areas. And ourhat labor unions manufacturers have long said have been unfair practices by other countries. Oft let me add in the voice richard trumka. He has spoken recently about this and he said that nafta isnt broken. Its done exactly what it was meant to do. It exploited workers in mexico, disrupted lives here, it has taken money out of our pockets and put it in the hands of a few billionaires so the solution just isnt a new nafta. It cant be rebranded. The only answer is a strong enforceable mechanism for raising wages and protecting the rights of working people. This agreement is not yet there and if they insist on trying to jam through this inferior ineffective trade agreement that is nothing more right now than a little bit better nafta than we would have to oppose it, says the aflcio. And i think we would have enough votes on both sides of the aisle to prevent it from becoming the law of the land per what do you make of those remarks . I think thats thats exactly whats being discussed with members of congress. Enforceability, whether the provisions are tough enough. Thats why the administration has not yet submitted the an official piece of legislation to the congress because they are trying to work out some of these very concerns. Int lets go to stephen shelbyville. You are on the democrat line for gary locke. Caller good morning. This deal sounds pretty good to me but i dont know all the it. Nicalities of i especially like the 15. The mexico, shut down the farmers without big farm producing really did damage to mexico. Thats why most of them are coming over here. It just sounds like a good deal. Im wondering why is there a problem. That was going to be my question what is the problem in congress but you pretty much answered it. Host do you want to add anything . There are concerns by especially democrats in the congress. Speaker pelosi has put together a committee to work with the administration on trying to iron out some of those areas of concern so that hopefully the implementation language will address those concerns. I dont think people want to completely rewrite the agreement because if you reopen the agreement then youre going to have to have canada and mexico ratify it and they may want to change some of the provisions themselves to the benefit of canada and mexico. We have to be very careful about the talk of reopening the entire agreement but if we can make modifications through the into an tatian implementation language and make sure canada and mexico can agree to that, thats the objective. Host can you remind us of how we got to this point . We know people have been speaking for years about updating nafta. Put a lote president of pressure on the situation especially on canada and mexico. What has brought us to this point with an update to this nafta 2. 0 . I think people have long realized the shortcomings and some of the defects of nafta. Some of the inequities of nafta. And especially the fact that mexico can continue to pay very much laborr not have unions being formed in mexico and that really put a disadvantage, put American Companies and american automobile workers at a competitive disadvantage. And then of course companies would then outsource parts manufacturing or major automobile manufacturing to mexico. That hurt our American Workers and thats why people realize that we need to have tougher provisions in nafta to really level the Playing Field. Of course our economy has changed. Whoever thought of digital games, music, software. A lot of these things are now being addressed in the usmca or nafta 2. 0. Small businesses will benefit under this agreement because the minimum amount of products sent over by a particular company will be higher before those products are subject to just normal customs duties. So that will really help Small Businesses be able to sell more, ship more at a higher value before they are subject to customs and duties. Thats really going to help Small Businesses as well. I think people just realized it was time to update it. Made ase the president lot of statements that he wanted to completely abolish nafta and have no agreements. I think people recognize that would really be disastrous for American Workers and for American Companies. This is really an updating of nafta. It certainly is not going up nafta which i definitely would have opposed and its a very reasonable updating. Of the language used in this new agreement is really taken from the Transpacific Partnership that was entered into between canada, the United States and over a dozen countries. That was language actually drafted by the Obama Administration. So in some ways this is using the tpp language to update nafta. Host there is a story in the Washington Examiner that says senator grassley on the senate ise says the usmca progressing through what they are calling side letters. You mentioned side agreements prior to legislative language being put forth. How do these side letters work . What exactly are they . Technicality or a term in congress that im not really familiar with either. Its basically, its going to be part of the legislation on the implementation of the agreement and its going to basically make some modifications and then we will hopefully have signoff approval by mexico and canada that these are just kind of clarifications, interpretations of the agreement that to not go so far as to reopen the whole legislature orhe the congress of mexico and the parliament of canada to not have to pass it again. Host lets get active calls. Areas from east brunswick, new jersey. Good morning. Calling from east brunswick, new jersey. Good morning. Heard an announcement that a major Investment Banking company in new york city, rosenblatt inc. , was going to downgrade apple from neutral to sell. I have a question. One of the things that has not been addressed, i do not have a smartphone, is why does apple continue to be allowed to manufacture their products overseas and the Young Millenials by their products for a thousand dollars or 1500. They have no more manufacturing jobs in this country. The question is the congressman on both republican and democrat side, many of the leaders are in their late 70s and 80s. Do not understand technology. Do we force apple to manufacture in the United States and to bring those jobs back. Host gary locke in seattle. Really complicated question. We would like to have more manufacturing of any and all products in the United States. It is so complicated and apple for a while said they were going to try to build one of their laptops here in the United States and they finally gave up and Just Announced they were going to start doing that overseas. That sonteresting is many of the apple products that we buy today have components are made all over the United States. A lot of the electronics and chips and things like that are made in america. They use glass on the cell phones made in america and they are all shipped over to china for assembly and in fact so many of the parts in that iphone are not even made in china. Some are made in china. So many of the parts are made around the world and they are simply assembled in china and then liveried and shipped to the United States for sale. I think we have to understand that as much as we want to keep manufacturing here in america that if we insist that all products that we purchase must be made in america, whats to stop germany, england, canada, china, japan from saying that all the products that their citizens, their consumers, their people purchase must also be made only in their countries. Worlds consumers live outside the borders of the United States. Toif we want our companies prosper we have to be able to sell our jobs overseas and we want the people overseas to buy our products whether its m. R. I. Xray machines to automobiles, airplanes, software to agriculture whether its pork, wheat, soybeans. If we are really going to push other countries to buy our products, we also have to be open to buying their products. Otherwise if we say we can only andthings made in America American manufacturers can only sell things right in america theres nothing to stop china from saying all the airplanes that they are going to buy are also going to be made in china for all the airplanes in europe can only be airbus or cannot be boeing airplanes. As much as we want to encourage companies to do their work here and thats why usmca is setting toinimum wage level for 40 45 of all automobile parts in a car so that you dont have to pay tariffs or duties on that trying tos a big step level the Playing Field. I think most American Workers and American Companies would say that as long as we are competing on a level Playing Field, bring on that competition. And our workers and our ingenuity just like our womens soccer team can really perform and outdo anybody else. Host we have a little bit more than 15 minutes left. Gary locke talking about the usmca. Jim is on the independent line. Caller big cspan listener. This is a very complicated conflict. Postworld war ii, i grew up just south of detroit and most people dont know what heavy industry looks like. If everything was fair around the world, taxes, pay and all that stuff, it would still be a tough call. Focus onerica would its hemisphere from north to south america, Central America and focus on this part of the world and let europe and Great Britain and even russia and china work amongst themselves when trying to bring things together. Uaw and i used to stand outside and marvel at the auto plants. When i was driving the pintos and the gremlin and the k car, we needed competition to push america forward. If you came here illegally, youve got to be deported and come back here legally. Same thing just like trade. We benefited from that competition as the caller indicated. Weve seen with japanese automobiles how they have added all these features that were standard. An fm radio is standard in those days you had to pay extra for a radio and it was only a. M. Now all these things come standard and thats what competition has done. I just heard on the news today that i think the Jeep Cherokee is the one automobile that has two,ost American Parts but three and four automobile model with the most American Parts are actually honda. Of honda now makes so many their automobiles from the minivan to the accords in the United States and so we benefited from that competition. The American Consumer has benefited from that competition. With better products and of course so many of those companies are doing their operations and manufacturing here in the United States because we have such a nimble workforce and our engineering is topnotch. Those are the policies we really need to promote we need to have more Government Support for basic r d. In cutting edge technologies. Whether its renewable energy, carbon capture, Artificial Intelligence and batteries and things like that. We need more Government Support for that because other countries have their governments vastly investing in those areas trying to develop their industries to make them topnotch in the world. We cannot rest on our laurels and if we want to have good paying jobs here weve got to keep moving forward and we need to have that partnership with the u. S. Government because so many of the products that we use today came from support from what they called darpa which was the military with research in the military with commercial application spinoffs for everyday consumers. Host theres a couple of other provisions to the usmca. One of them would extend the copyright to the life of the author plus 70 years. What are we talking about here with copyright . Surethink we want to make as our books and literature are and around the world especially canada and mexico that just because its printed meanother country does not there can be no benefits to the originator of that product. Weve always believed in the United States and having strong copyright protections whether its for movies, music and certainly literature. Host the agreement would sunset in 16 years. Whats important about 16 years . I think it was a compromise. Obviously we dont want to go an additional 25 years. Are seeing so many things emerging in technology that we didnt even think was possible beyond our dreams five and 10 years ago. We need to make sure that we are not so bound that we cannot update this. To the whole country if you could about this point the l. A. Times is editorializing that the nafta replacement needs to have its tires kicked so to speak. They and the peace by saying that what we know from nafta is that any leverage would evaporate once the trade deal is signed. Thats why its crucial that reforms happen before any ratification. This would not require tackling the entire economy immediately but it would make more likely that the new agreement would result in a more broadly shared prosperity. Can you tell all parts of the country that this updated deal would benefit them . The new agreement does address so many areas that were never even covered under nafta. Environmental provisions. Opening up for instance canada to our Agricultural Sector. For am wages in effect lot of automobile manufacturing and parts manufacturing. More content in the United States. Addressing ecommerce. Looking at biological drugs as well as you just talked about copyright and so forth. Even formation of unions. Guaranteeing the formation of unions in other countries. So there are still concerns. And as the editorial pointed out, we cant really try to make things after the agreement has been passed by the congress which is why there is very intense negotiation and study the members of congress right now and negotiation with the administration on what the implementation language will be and having perhaps these side agreements or side letters modify the agreement in a way that does not fire opening up the whole agreement to negotiation by both mexico and canada and requiring their legislatures or their parliaments or congresses to pass it. Because if we completely reopen the whole thing and say we want to make major changes in the agreement itself, theres nothing to stop canada and mexico from saying we are beginning to have second thoughts about some of these things. Maybe we are allowing the u. S. Dairy industry and Agricultural Sector to come in to freely and we need to protect our own farmers a little bit more. Wages thathat the would have to be pay in an manufacturing are too high and would stop some of the components from being made in mexico. So we dont want to reopen the whole thing. To the extent that they can have some of these side agreements, that would be the best. Thats what the whole negotiation study process is about right now. Host rose is in chicago. Democratic caller. Thank you for waiting period caller thank you for cspan. Governor locke, a couple of questions. Thet of all, you know that gentleman who claimed that we should stay in our own hemisphere has missed out on the fact of what they just did over with thethe g20 European Union and with brazil and i think nine other south american countries. The agreement they just signed. As we dropped out of the tpp or trump actually dropped out of the tpp, gave asia over to china. Usmca hasid that the the same language as the tpp did. Its ahat sort of little confusing to me. The calf to isas Small Businesses cafta . Benefited from thear as i can see asylumseekers at our border are agreement which the u. S. Chamber of commerce has benefited greatly from. From Central America. That freetrade agreement with america. What did we do to those countries there . What did our sweatshops do to those countries . Leave those countries high and now we just want to throw them under the bus. We dont allow asylumseekers in this country and are more after our agreement we did that. Host lets hear from gary locke. Quite a few points that she raised. Let me try to clarify the tpp issue. Countries except the United States have ratified tpp. Its about 12 or 13 countries now. Canada will be able to export a lot of their goods and commodities and Agricultural Products lets say to vietnam and they will not be subject to the high tariffs that they used to face. A tariff is really attacks on being shipped and paid for by the consumer in the other country or the recipient or purchaser of the good in the other country which then makes that product a lot more expensive and then people dont buy that product. All these countries have entered into the tpp without the United States and those countries will be able to trade more freely among themselves and they will be able to sell things to each other that we will not be able to sell because there will still be tariffs, taxes on our products. So the canadian manufacturers and growers the benefit and american growers and manufacturers will sit on the sidelines. About what is so amazing tpp. We passed up an opportunity to address a lot of these health ,nd human Safety Standards Environmental Standards and reduction of tariffs that American Products now face in these other countries. U. S. Mexico canada trade does not affect tpp at all. Its totally separate. But im trying to say is that some of the language in addressing the agreement between mexico, canada and the United States uses language from that tpp agreement. Thats only in the modifications to the usmca. Its just ironic that president tpp, hisrailed against negotiators use tpp language in some of the modifications to the u. S. Mexico trade agreement. We havery locke, touched on tpp as well. Want to get your take on the current negotiations between the u. S. And china on trade. Some resumed talks are happening. What do you see happening, how do you see it happening and how vital is some kind deal at this point . Thats a good point. Negotiations are hopefully resuming. Of theres really a lot tough issues separating the United States and china. It will not be easy. Meantime tariffs on 300 billion of chinese goods coming into the United States will continue. Tax that thelly a American Consumer will pay. Whether its items that you buy at cosco, macys, target, or industrial products. Parts made from china were the american manufacturer had to pay the tax and passed that added price or cost on to the American Consumer or they have to charge the purchaser of that product in another country. Lets say the United States Company Makes something from parts in china and sells it around the world, it makes the product a lot more expensive. Thats going to end up in less sales. The u. S. Federal reserve says the impacts of the tariffs already in place will impact and cost the American Consumer, average household anywhere from 800 to 1000 extra per year. Big bite on to be a the American Consumer. The negotiations are hopefully resuming. Lets hope that there will be no additional tariffs imposed by either side and lets hope we can get an agreement because in a trade war there are no winners. The losers are the consumers. Consumers on both sides. Let me also say with respect to the previous caller, the tpp never involved china. Offact china was very wary the United States and canada and and the other countries entering into the tpp because it labor,et these very high health, Environmental Standards thesafe standards to level Playing Field among the workers and the companies of all the participating countries and that is something china was very wary of because there was no way they could meet those standards and they are afraid that this tpp will become the model for all future trade agreements. These High Environmental Health and human Safety Standards and the reduction of tariffs and the barriers that products from america face in other countries. From missouri, republican. Caller im an 86yearold korean vet. This is a question for your guest. Who do you think benefited most on this canadian deal . I think americans really benefited certainly in terms of agriculture. The canadians have to really open up their markets to american dairy, poultry, eggs. Certainly the winegrowers of the United States will benefit because some of the provinces of canada could openly keep american wines from being displayed on their normal selves. Manufacturingican at least in the automotive sector will benefit. Because now under these provisions theres less incentive for automakers, parts makers to send the work offshore to mexico. Mexico,if they do it in 40 to 45 of the components of all these cars must pay wages of 16 or more per hour. So its going to be less incentive to outsource production or manufacturing, assembly of parts and the automobile in mexico. Host joining us from seattle this morning has been gary locke, former u. S. Ambassador to china 2011 to 2014. Former commerce secretary 2009 through 2011 and the former governor of the state of washington from 1997 until 2005. Tanks a lot for your time is always talking to us. Honoraryurrently cochair of the pass usmca coalition. Appreciate your time and your insights this morning. Thank you. Host thanks to everybody who called. We will be back tomorrow with another edition of washington journal. Panele you live to the discussion on the scope and of they will compare that to other sanctions and areas. The house is out today. The senate is back in later today for more work on nominations. For now, we take you to this live event on north korea sanctions. Have a great monday. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org]