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, if you202 7488000 are not worried, we want to hear from you as well at 202 7488001. You can always reach us on social media on twitter and facebook. Several news organizations picked up on the exchange and are writing about it in the paper. In the New York Times, they wrote the exchange as this. As President Trump sat down with mr. Putin on the sidelines of an International Summit in japan, mr. Trump was asked if you would tell russia not to meddle in american elections. Will, mr. Trump said, turning to mr. Putin he said with a half grin on his face and mock seriousness in his voice, dont meddle in the election. As mr. Putin smiled and tittered, he repeated to another russian official dont meddle in the election. The New York Times is not the only people who wrote about this, we also saw a version in politico. At his first meeting with put since Robert Muellers russia probe concluded, trump made light of the robust evidence showing russia engaging in a sweeping and Systematic Campaign to disrupt the election in trump neighbor trumps favor. After asked if he would talk to putin about election interference, a topic he failed to mention, trump responded yes, of course i will. He turned to put in he turned to the russian president and said jokingly, dont meddle in the election, present. Putin laughed while trump grinned. This is causing controversy around washington, considering special Counsel Robert Mueller has agreed to testify in front of congress about his report, which said there was sweeping and Systematic Campaigns from russia to interfere in the last president ial election. We want to know what you think about this, are you worried about russian interference . We want to hear from you. Lets talk to debbie, from flint, michigan, she is worried about russian interference. Good morning. Caller good morning. Im pretty ashamed to be an american after seeing what trump that little episode. Its not funny. Shaking showed putin hands with all of his grifter buddies, nguyen my nguyen with his grifter buddies like he is a great man. Yes, trump won against Hillary Clinton. But it took five men to beat comey, davidutin, becker and bernie. Host what should we do to keep them from interfering . Caller we shouldve taken down the computers a long time ago, i dont know what we are waiting for. Let them rebuild the system from the bottom up and see how they like that. This president has them doing nothing for it. He has done nothing to make these election safer. He likes that putin helped him. For the record, i with jimmy carter. From edward is calling michigan and he is not worried about russian interference. Good morning. Caller good morning. Im not really worried, a welleducated electorate is not games. O fall for russian that so you dont think trickery from foreign actors will have an effect . If you look at what obama did during the election with netanyahu in israel, he put money over there and netanyahu still won the election. A welleducated electorate is not going to fall for trickery. As for some of the people that said russia should be punished, russia has been doing this for 50 years. Time,robably put money, and getting in getting their electorates out there to sway the populace for 50 years and i didnt see any election being swayed. Yesterday, trump met with putin during the g20 in japan, here is what he said they would be discussing. Will speak to mr. Putin, his representative, my representative, we will talk about trade, disarmament, a little protectionism, perhaps. We will discuss a lot of Different Things. ,e have had a Good Relationship and we look forward to spending time together. A lot of positive things will come out of the relationship. Thank you. To our nexttalk caller, from alabama, who is not about election interference. Good morning. Caller good morning. About russiand interference, and i completely agree with edward. The menu had on the phone before me. Its not just israel, and netanyahus election and his obama and his ministration try to topple. They also attempted to actually le with Vladimir Putin as president. ,e could look at even further the United States is not only meddling, but overthrowing and toppling. Story. A fake news and you keep coming up with this story every now and then. The electorate is wiser than that, and it will not change as a result of any interference by any country. Host so you think special Counsel Robert Mueller was wrong when he said there was interference by russia in the election . Interference and collusion is not the same thing. You conflate those two issues. Host but i didnt say anything about collusion, i said interference . Do you think Robert Mueller was wrong when he said there was interference by russia . Caller Robert Mueller is a tool. The invest the investigation was uncalled for and unfounded. It doesnt even matter. You cannot investigate, credibly, russian interference in 2016 without investigating the dnc and the activities of the dnc. You cannot. Wrong . O you think he was caller about what . Host about whether russia interfered . Robert mueller did not find any evidence of collusion between trump and the russian government. Host i feel it were talking about two Different Things. Im not asking you if you think Robert Mueller was wrong about whether there was luge collusion. He specifically said he thought there was interference from russia in the election, do you think he was wrong . Caller there has always been interference, over several decades. Action andabout the inaction of the obama administration. When obama was president , what did he do about it . Thats the real issue. What did obama do about it . ,ost lets talk to carolyn from provincetown, massachusetts. She is worried about election interference from russia. Good morning. Caller good morning from provincetown. Host go ahead. Caller i would like to say, after 16 intelligence agencies have proven, without a shadow of a doubt, that russia interfered which is theacy, most important thing we have is a democracy, is that we have a vote to bring in elected officials, specifically the president of the United States, in a fair way. Russia meddled in the election,. Oint lank pointblank and President Trump has the audacity to joke with the dictator, who imprisons journalists, who refuses to admit that they interfered with our democracy, nothing has been done to stop the russians from interfering in the next election , which is a little over a year from now. The most concerning part is that President Trump has the nuclear football. As does president putin. , havingtwo of them these behind the door chats is very disconcerting and to the american citizen who wants my vote to count. About extremely concerned whether or not President Trump country,nterest of our or is he indeed a russian puppet, which is what Hillary Clinton said during the debate host 2016. Host lets talk to joe, from georgia, who is not worried about interference. Caller im not a bit worried, i have total confidence in donald trump. I think hes the best leader in history. The stock market had the best six months it has had in a long time and i am so fired up about trump i cannot sleep at night. Hes the best leader, im not worried about russia. He will handle the china situation, we have the best economy in history, i think hes the best leader in world history. I am so fired up. And i love to be able to a this , youe great spend network are doing a super job. I want to say thank you. Our earlier caller says that election interference has happened all the time, and it has happened in the past. The earlier caller said this seems to be part of the process, do you think the government should be doing more or do you think things are fine . Caller i think things are fine the way they are. I have all the confidence in donald trump in his defense team. I feel the future of america has never been better. I have three children and seven ran children and i am fired up. Go vote for wait to donald trump. Thank god for cspan. Host this issue was brought up during the closing conference of the g20. An President Trump address what happened with putin. It seems like maybe you didnt really mean it when you said yesterday, dont meddle in our elections mr. President. To take a looke at the words, i did say it. , we had a great discussion. It was really a tremendous discussion. I would like to do trade with the United States, they have great products and very rich land. They have a lot of things that , and i could see trade going up with russia, we can do fantastically. We do very little trade with russia which is ridiculous. And as for your question. I did say it and i did discuss it. Host lets talk to ben, calling from hogans berg, new york. He is worried about election interference. Good morning. Caller good morning, thank you for cspan. I am worried about the computer interference, the hacking. I think people tend to really underestimate the way this works. One of the previous colors talked about an educated population. I still think we are all duped by insurance companies, advertising, they know how to spread certain amounts of information to the people who are most susceptible. Flint,tleman was from michigan, talking about an educated population. And look at the poor Water Quality that they had for years and nobody knew it. And im sure there an educated population. I think guys like Mark Zuckerberg and his ilk pose a threat to this country. Host we had an earlier caller say that election interference has happened all the time, it happened in the past, the United States has interfered in elections overseas. If this has happened before, why worry now . Guess, asthink i people become more educated about what computer hacking can do one of the previous callers also said, i take my vote very seriously. And i dont want a foreign country trying to push us either way, one way or the other. I do believe that the United States has done it to other countries, and i cant say that makes me proud. Thats for sure. Host lets go to gym, calling from virginia, hes not worried about election interference. Good morning. Caller im not worried because it is ageold. Interference in other peoples thatrs has been an event has been conducted by our enemy way in the past. Russia was interfering with us before world war ii, after world war ii, and today. Ii,any, before world war and germany we have always had enemies who were always interested in hiding their affairs. Host jim, do you think it makes a difference that it seems to be so much easier now that someday people are on social media and they get their news from social media . Do you think it makes a difference that Foreign Countries are trying to use our own technology and social media to sway things like that . Does that make it to us . They have always been using our technology. The problem is that we do not technology. Roof we have computer assistance that have been sold to the American Public that are infallible. And they can be violated. What is all of this robo call going on . Rap it is the Computer Systems that have been violated over and over again. Powers, oris foreign foreign thieves. Host lets call talk to alan, from north carolina, who is interfered who is worried about russian interference in the next election. Caller i have been worried about russian interference for a long time. Back inhad a situation sent0s, where ted kennedy someone to talk to the kgb about interference in our election to help defeat ronald reagan. President obama interfered with israels election, as was stated. Call aboutntlemens robo calls. The whole thing has been corrupted and has been influenced. Not is why we need cspan to be partisan, but to explain the facts, and not have an opinion when you present your shows. Its so important that people are informed and not getting opinion news. , he was trying to work with russia. He said that he was going to be able to work with them better after the election. There was a lot of things going on, just like trumpets trying to work with them. We have to try to work with them, but we have to keep an eye on them. And trump displays the media. Thatew when he said that the media would go crazy. He loves it. He has been using them, hes laughing because he knew thats going to be on the new cycle this week and we had the democratic clown show the other night. Mr. Trump will get reelected, its so obvious, people understand whats going on. Lookreciate cspan and you dapper today. Thank you. Host President Trump was asked again during the Closing Press conference at the g20 about the comment. We will show you what he said. Heres what happened. [video clip] you said you spoke about election interference privately, was it a sterner child . Tone . Totally, howit, may times can you get somebody to denies something . He has in the past denied it and has denied it publicly. But we talked about it, we talked about a lot of other thing. I tell you, we talked about something that i think is very on whatt, putting a cap he is buying and we are buying from a nuclear standpoint and other arms control. We talked a lot about arms control and i think you would like to see arms control and so would leave. We. O would be would did you read them all a report . Its a good report. I had 18 people who hated me and mother who was totally who was conflicted and obviously did not like me, but no obstruction or collusion. That was a good. The report. Oc, froms talk to d baton rouge. Onler this has been going for decades, and will continue to go on for decades, no matter what we try to do. It was done when democrats were , there was collusion with ted kennedy. At that time, nobody cared theuse ted was the lion of senate, when he should have been known as the skunk. Its a democrat ploy. They dont have anything else. Do you think the use of social media for people getting news, and the building of bots and robo calls getting into peoples homes and giving them information that may or may not be true, do you think that something we should be concerned about as we go to an election . Caller certainly. Absolutely. Host how do we solve that problem . More rules and regulations, to where they cannot do that. Host lets talk to joe, from ohio, joe is worried about election interference. Good morning. Caller good morning. I love cspan. How are you doing . Host im just fine. Caller im worried about russia because they will team up with china and it will be armageddon. This has been prophesied in the bible. The what do you think Security Services in the United States, the cia, fbi, what should they do to stop this type of election interference . Caller they cant even stop a robo call. [laughter] you have to be kidding me. They created the internet, right . Its up everybodys ass. Host lets talk to james, from florida. He is not worried about election interference. How are you doing . Caller how are you doing . Host im fine. Reputable have facebook pages feeding krapp now. Crap now. So because the guys from russia, whats the difference . The problem is we dont have good media, or people are too lazy to find out whats really going on. Im sick of it. Three years of this. Think about this. It never stops. We will never stop, because we just he fake news on facebook, im going to write something you are going to write some income it depends on what you believe. Host sean is calling from florida, good morning. Caller good morning. Goes, he istin surrounded by cronies and his trillion air friends. Trillionaire friends. At one of his buddies and they will do it for him. So he can honestly say i had nothing to do with it. Every country is trying to screw every country, its the way of the world. The biggest thing is our own people, our own parties, there is the worried. Thats all i have to say. Host lets talk to rob, from ohio. Good morning. Are you there . Caller i am. Host go ahead. You for having this opportunity for people to call in. That we call ourselves a christian nation, and we say we believe in god and everything is god, including this country. Nothing has happened without god , whether it was obama, clinton, bush, donald trump as president. God is in control, if we say we believe in that, whether we are republican or demo at , but lets look at something. Yearsgo over the last few of everyone who has been president. We had bipartisanship and are supposedly government, but there is not bipartisanship. They say i will work with the person across the aisle, and they are not. That is what has to change. Mona, from go to ohio. Good morning. Lancaster, ohio . Caller lancaster. Medias, i do think social had interference in our elections. The two different groups that i impactedwere really was antifa that destroyed property and burned our flag, and a group that calls for the massacre and killing of our police department. And now i think they are going to interfere and use Illegal Immigrants to get people riled. P and a lot of illegals will be marching to stay in this country. I think its gonna be on immigration now. Host bob is calling from north carolina, getting the last word in. Good morning. Caller good morning. I wanted to tell you that i really appreciate your show, because you get the straight story out. No, im not concerned about russia interfering in our election, or meddling in the upcoming election. The mullah report said that that they did meddle the Mueller Report said they did meddle and interfere. We have had a few years to improve our own cybersecurity systems to help prevent this. There is going to be ongoing attempts at hacking, that will always happen. Whether we kenexa get to the point whether we can actually get to the point where we can eliminate 100 them, im not concerned. What i have heard is that they spent a hundred thousand dollars . If they are able to sway an election by spending that much after the democratic and spentican conventions several hundred millions of dollars, believe me, if it was a hundred thousand dollars, it was the best spent anywhere. Host thank you you to our callers. Crystal ballbatos will walk us through the Supreme Court gerrymander decision and what that means for 2020. And our guest from Pew Charitable trusts will talk about the repair backlogs at National Parks. We will be right back. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] the cold war is a story of ,ommunism, different ideology and so forth. Friends email me and asked why do you want to tackle this, you are going into the culture war, do you want to do this . We have paul as our guest on indepth, his latest book is the divine plan. Other titles include takedown and the crusader, as well as books about the spiritual lives of ronald reagan, george w. Bush, and Hillary Clinton. Join the live conversation with your phone calls, tweet, and facebook questions. On tv. Watch indepth and be sure to watch indepth next month with author lee edwards. Watch tv every weekend on cspan 2. Former special Counsel Robert Mueller at the house intelligent will beciary committees testifying in open session about his report into russian interference in the 2016 election. Watch live coverage on cspan3, online at cspan. Org, or listen on the free radio app. Washington journal continues. Host we are back with kyle kondik, was sabatos crystal ball with sabatos crystal ball. We are going to talk about the Supreme Courts decision on gerrymandering. Thank you for being with us. Guest thank you for having me. Host what did the Supreme Court say . Guest they said gerrymandering says that no longer will federal courts be able to make judgments against socalled partisan gerrymandering. I dont think that affects racial gerrymandering claims, which have caused many individual districts and maps to be undone over the past couple of decades. But for the time being, in a 54 decision they said it will not be in the game of figuring out what the standards are for partisan redistricting. A lot of this interpreted this as a victory for republicans, given that they have so much control over the redistricting process after the 2010 census. Probably not as much control in 2020, and is lot and a lot of disagreement as to if the court were to adopt standards, what with the standards be . What should courts prioritize over other factors . I think thats why the court decided they did not want to be a part of it. There was a saying from Justice Felix frankfurter who was a big advocate for the court staying out of the redistricting question, referring to it as the political thicket. The Supreme Court took a long time to weigh in against the idea one person one vote, for a long time, before some landmark decisions in the 1960s. The u. S. Senate does not have equal population and districts didnt either. But there were some districts who had 200,000 people and others had 800,000 people. That was true in the state houses and senates. Finally the court decided in the early 60s they would enforce one person one vote, but that was the only time the court has really made this landmark insertion into the redistricting process. And they decided they did not want to get into it. Guest soap host so we are on the same page, can you explain what gerrymandering is . Guest if a party has control of the process in some states, and because republicans had such a great election in 2010, they control many more state legislatures and democrats, then democrats, and many more state governorships. Generally, they draw new districts in response to the census. There is nothing to stop us from drawing new maps, and we have seen mid decade redistricting. The most famous example was in texas. Republicans drew a remote leaning map after a democratic leaning map was in place. But generally, states draw after the census. If a party has the power to draw favorable district for themselves, that is what they often do. That is what we call gerrymandering. It goes back to the early days of the republic, it refers to an oddly drawn district, the massacres Massachusetts Governor last name was gary, and the word has been mangled to gerrymandering. You can find examples even before the United States was a country, if you look at colonial eram housing, there are all sorts of examples. Im not defending the practice, im saying its very old. Host one of the things that was involved in the Supreme Court case was marilyn. What were the complaints . Guest its one of the few states where the democrats had control of the redistricting process. Explicitly, tod, take marylands six congressional districts, which is western maryland, the panhandle, typically a republican district, that they would redraw it to elect a democrat. Out alongid vote serving republican and elected john delaney who is a president ial candidate, a longshot candidate. I dont think there was any doubt as to what Maryland Democrats were doing, and one of the cases that was brought to the Supreme Court was showing the specific district and saying this is unfair and should be redrawn. Host were talking about the Supreme Courts decision on gerrymandering. If you want to join the conversation we will open up our regular lines. For republicans 202 7488001, for democrats 202 7488000, for independents 202 7488002. Keep in mind, we are always reading on social media, at twitter and on facebook. Before the Supreme Court made their decision, was there a court ruling on what was acceptable and what wasnt . Guest not really. The Supreme Court has said in the 1980s into thousands that may there would be a way, in which the Supreme Court could say that certain gerrymandereds were extreme. But they never laid down specific criteria. One of the points i was trying to make after this decision is that there really werent standards for partisan gerrymandering before this decision. I dont think it changes things. What some people, particularly on the left has argued, is that this will basically open up even more extreme gerrymandered. Gerrymanders. There was a fear that certain maps that were so extreme would bring up challenges. Now it will be no holes barred. But i would argue that it was like that prior to this decision. Jeremiah, inalk to alabama, on the independent line. Caller good morning. That gerrymandering from either side is wrong. There has been an attack on our right to vote, with voter id restrictions on peoples rights to vote. I dont like it. It is racist, once the federal courts stepped away from alabama, alabama went back to what it always was, a racist state, as many states are. A person should have the right ,o vote without gerrymandering voter id and restrictions, as they did at the formation of this country. Host go ahead and respond. Guest fair points. There is a long and dark history of many states, particularly in the south, restricting the right to vote. And i think we are delusional if we think that couldnt happen again. Thats why a lot of people have argued that certain policies are designed to be discriminatory. Particularly when you have a state like alabama and others in the south where you have a white majority but a significant african eric and africanamerican minority, they vote heavily democratic and white voters vote heavily republican. For the an incentive ruling party to potentially make it harder for africanamericans to participate. About gerrymandering, theres a lot of jurisprudence on racial redistricting. In some ways, basically, states are pushed to create socalled majorityminority districts. Where there are enough numbers of africanamericans, hispanics, potentially asian americans, to be able to elect a member of their choosing. This has led to more representation from certain minority groups, but there is also the incentive, in some places, for states to pack africanamericans into a certain district. Making an extremely democratic district that will elect an africanamerican member, but that makes all of the districts around it more republican. Virginia. W this in they had a new statehouse delegates map imposed upon them because the map was found to have been illegally packing africanamerican voters into a small number of districts. The congressional map was reformed in such a way. As far as i know, that still exists. This decision does not impact that. Is it possible that the court will say had a future time that they will not even can that are those lawsuit . Potentially. But lawsuits over racial redistricting will remain. Host you jump to head my next question, whats the difference between racial gerrymandering and partisan gerrymandering . Because sometimes they are linked, like you said. Guest in some ways, racial redistricting is partisan redistricting. We know that africanamericans vote heavily democratic. People were drawing maps no that they increase the africanamerican percentage of the districts they are increasing how dumb attic that district democratic that district is. But the court has never laid down restrictions on partisan gerrymandering in the way that they have laid down restrictions on racial redistricting. A lot of this comes out of the 1990s. Department, justice based on changes to the voting that they decided were going to push a lot of states to create majority and minority districts. They saw that as not only are we going to get more minority representation, but we will also hurt the democrats. But then, some of those aggressive plans that the Justice Department pushed, got because thewound, packing of minorities was to extreme. Too theres a Political Science paper about redistricting, its called desperately seeking standards. Reformers and people who have to deal with racial redistricting questions dont specifically know what they have to do and they may not know until he court tells them. That is still a factor in racial redistricting. There was a movement in the federal courts recently to push back against partisan gerrymandering. And the Supreme Court said we do not want to deal with that. Host john is calling from kansas, on the republican line. Good morning. Caller good morning. I have a minor in Political Science, it doesnt mean im an expert. As far as gerrymandering go, the owner wanted i heard that was gerrymandering was the republicans. There was nothing about maryland , you didnt hear anything about that. Heres what i say about elections, even the other question that was on for the Supreme Court citizenship. On wouldnt you have that your census . We need to know who the citizens are that can legally vote in this country. As far as the gentleman, that callin earlier, i know he has about voterlms registration. Im free to everybody voting as an american citizen. But i am for nobody voting who is not a u. S. Citizen. And it seems like the democrats are playing every ploy to get people that are not citizens of the country to vote. Host go ahead and respond. About all the question gerrymandering, and do democrats engage in the practice, of course. But after 2010 republicans had much more power to gerrymander than democrats, that has up helplicans or did republicans maintain control in the house of representatives in 2012, 2014, and 2016. That said, some of those fell apart in the 2018 elections and for instance, in pennsylvania. This may be a model in the future. The state Supreme Court throughout the republican gerrymander of pennsylvania, which helps the democrats pick up four seats in that state. But its possible they wouldve picked it up on the old map, because one of the special elections they want in early 2018, iton in early was in the district that conor won, and he had a much better district to run in after the new math came out map came out. It is fair to say that both parties engage in this practice. You go back in history when democrats had more power in State Government at those times, they did gerrymander. Both parties do this. And the Supreme Court decision well, it isopens certainly a flashing green go light to say do what you want because the Supreme Court will not intervene. Host you got my next question your response. Some states are taking on gerrymandering through their state courts and election commissions. So what are states doing since the Supreme Court said that we will not be involved . What are they doing to tackle the problem, if they are . Guest there are certain states, through ballot initiatives, and legislative reform efforts, have created bipartisan commissions to try to draw these maps. Arizona has a commission that has been in place for the last couple of decades. California has a commission that was created in advance of the 2010 redistricting cycle. Some states are deciding to reform things. I mentioned pennsylvania, where a lawsuit throughout those maps. But there was a partisan element to that because democrats had actually controlled the state Supreme Court, even though the republicans control all of State Government when they passed those maps. I think the action is kicked to the states and the reformers will try to find creative ways to try to reform this process or change this process. Teresa, fromo to virginia, on the independent line. Good morning. Caller i actually dont agree with what you just said, i believe the court has kicked the ball to congress, not the states. I think this was a cop by the Supreme Court. They made decisions in recent history, like the decision they made about gay marriage in the case of the bakery, that it was wrong but was against the constitution. They dont have to make a rule to Say Something is unconstitutional. So this is a copout to not do anything. Guest is there that congress could also decide to intervene. If democrats see win control of washington in 2020, perhaps they will use congress to try to impose some sort of redistricting standard. Maybe that would be the appropriate way to do that. I think chief Justice Roberts probably feels that way. Congress has weighed in at certain points on certain matters of redistricting. 60s, it was decided that state elections could behold and they did away with that. So congress could indeed interfere. Host will be the impact of this decision on the 2020 election . Guest i dont think there is an impact. I think its an issue that should come up in discussions. Because i think gerrymandering is a significant Public Policy issue and there may be ways in which congress could get involved. But it doesnt change any district lines. If the court had said there are standards for gerrymandering, we are going to do away with this maryland gerrymander, then the republicans probably would have picked up a seat. But the maps in place now will , barringay in place some racial redistricting claims which can force the change of district lines. But i dont see a direct effect, because to me, nothing changed. Host one of the states involved was north carolina. Of maryland and north carolina, does anything change as far as Party Strategy and those date in those states . Guest i dont think so. I think it maintains the status quo. North carolina is interesting because the republicans do that map in that state and actually had to draw a new map in advance of the 2016 election because of the racial redistricting claims. And they gerrymandered the state in such a way would be a 103 republican majority. They drew a new map in which they maintained that majority, but theres still one house race nine. S undecided, number it seemed like on election night, publicans narrowly one, and on very credible claims of absentee ballot fraud emerge, so we have a do over on december 10. Its possible democrats will pick up a seat. North Carolina Republicans were able to gerrymander the state twice and it has been successful. Host janet is from oklahoma city, on the republican line. Good morning. Caller good morning. Unconcernedabout i am concerned that whoever is in control of whatever state, republican or democrat, makes no difference, that they will redistricting in such a manner that the other party does not have a chance. It needs to be a fair way of redistricting, that allows everybody the same voice. And who will be their representative. Point. Thats a fair and some of the maps we have now are not responsive to changes in Public Opinion. Let me give you an example from ohio. 4 124ans drew a 12 s map for themselves. You can think about all kinds of elections we have had. Obama won ohio nationally. And 2016 was a very close election and donald trump did well in ohio. In 2018, democrats had a good election but they felt a little short in the statewide executive offices. I bring it up to say that in all 124hose elections, republicans. In all of those different circumstances, the map did not change because it was not responsive to Public Opinion. If Public Opinion changes, it could be reflected in the makeup of the house delegation. Im not saying a fair map in ohio is necessarily one that i 0 but maybe the maps could a way that they could change in response to Public Opinion. Host when will the next round start . 2020, and census in all states with more than one u. S. House member, including has onekota which just district, they will draw new 2022 in advance of the midterm elections. Republicancontrolled a line drawing in more districts than democrats did in the 2010 cycle, but in some places where they 2010, therentrol in will be divided government. Pennsylvania is a good example, they have Republican Legislature anda democratic governor wisconsin is the same way. The process may be more balanced , but reformers are worried about in the states where one party has total control, they will feel like they can do whatever they want. I would argue that they could have done what they wanted anyway, other than if they redistrict using race, and do so in such an egregious way it forces a court challenge. , and that is in place all the district had to have an equal population is in place, which was not true for American History but has been true since some landmark Supreme Court decisions in the early 19 states. And, lets get a few calls mack is calling on the democratic line in maryland. Good morning. Caller good morning. I wanted to tell you what the situation is, it has a lot to do with things other than the election. I live in this region. Im in the mountainous part of the state of maryland. Im on the computer a lot because my health has been bad for the past couple of years. I had not paid much attention to what was going on locally. But i was getting emails for my congressman. On a in touch with them not controversial issue but an issue. Normally when you get in touch with a representative, you get an answer back in the next day, if not that day, yes, thank you for getting in touch with me, im looking into your issue. And then they get back with you and tell you where they stood. In my case, i got in touch and i did not hear back from anybody until three weeks later. [crosstalk] representation, thats my issue. If youre in this region, a democrat, republican, or an independent, i guess they assume that im a republican and they dont want to with you. I dont have representation and i dont know if i will. Its more than the election, i would like to see the democrats get in. But i want representation. Guest constituent service is a big part of being a member of the house. It sounds like you had a bad experience and thats unfortunate. To your point, there is a lot more to being in congress than just the election. And it sometimes feels that way. But also maybe we need to be creative about the size of the house . Every house member has generally 700,000 constituents, generally speaking. Thats a lot of people who could potentially bring concerns to you. You wonder if constituent service would be easier if instead of having 435 members we had 900. Some people have talked about trying to expand the size of the house. I think in american politics we dont think big about reform efforts. We dont think about dramatically changing anything. But the population of the country is much bigger than it was when 435 members. Maybe there are certain aspects that would be better when we had a larger membership in the u. S. House. Host lets talk to david calling from akron, ohio on the independent line. Can you get a question enforce real quick . I just want to make the comment. Gerrymandering is a symptom of a bigger problem, which is money in politics. The five conservative members of the Supreme Court at the time punted on that because they allowed citizens united. For the politics allows American Legislative Exchange council, a conservative undimmed pungent, lobbying for conservatives in the state governorships, so you had the result of gerrymandering. A metric for fairness would be 60 democrats compared to republicans, but they only have 40 of the representation. That would be a metric to use for whats fair. Host whats next coming up with redistricting . Guest there were all of these federal lawsuits that have been trickling not to the Supreme Court, and now theyre gone down to the Supreme Court, and now theyre gone. The Supreme Court said they wont be considering these lawsuits, that there will be lawsuits over racial redistricting and action in the states to reform this issue. I think gerrymandering is part of the public consciousness a little more than now than in the past. That might be good for reformers in that people are thinking about it more, think that it is a problem. I think democrats in particular feel that it is a problem. Just because the Supreme Court says this particular part of it is not usable now, that doesnt mean it goes away as an issue. Our we would like to thank guest for being with us. Next, we take on another Supreme Court topic and talk about the u. S. Census, and should the u. S. Census be delayed because of the Supreme Court decision. If you support delaying its, we want to hear from you. If you oppose it, we want to hear from you. We will take your calls and talk about this issue and a second. We will be right back. Announcer this weekend, American History tv will mark the 50th anniversary of the Cuyahoga River fire, an event that shed the light on Water Pollution and helped create the clean water act. On sunday at nine a clock a. M. Eastern, historian David Stradley joins us from along the river in cleveland to take your calls and talk about the fire myths associated with it and the paign by the then watch our anniversary on the Cuyahoga River fire, sunday at nine a clock a. M. 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The Supreme Court on thursday rejected its stated reason for adding a question on the census, leaving in doubt whether the question would appear on census forms sent to every household in the nation next year. Chief Justice John Roberts junior said the explanation offered by the Trump Administration for adding the question appears to have been contrived, but left open the possibility it could provide an adequate answer. Prince officials must offer justifications for important decisions, reasons that could be scrutinized by the court, the chief justice wrote. Excepting contrived reasons would defeat the purpose of the enterprise. If judicial review is to be more than an empty ritual, it must demand Something Better than explanation offered for the action taken in this case. The Practical Impact of the decision was not immediately clear. While the question is barred for now, it is at least possible that the administration will be able to offer adequate justifications for it. But, time is short, as the census forms must be printed soon. After the Supreme Court made that decision, President Trump asked if the senses should be delayed. Heres what the Washington Post wrote about that request. President trump is seeking to delay the constitutionally mandated senses to give Administration Officials time to come up with a better explanation for why it should include a Citizenship Question. Japan, cameent from hours after the Supreme Court, put on hold the administrations plan to add a Citizenship Question to the 2020 census, saying it had provided a contrived reason for wanting the information. Seems totally ridiculous that our government, and indeed country, cannot ask a basic question of citizenship in a very extensive expensive, detailed and important senses. I have asked lawyers if they could delay the senses, no matter how long, until the United States Supreme Court could make a final and decisive decision on this very critical matter. What we want to know from you , do you support a delay in the senses until he Trump Administration can get this information back to the Supreme Court . If you support delay, want to hear from you at 202 7488000. Theou oppose the delay in senses, we want to hear from you at 202 7488001. Lets talk to mitchell who is calling from new jersey. He supports a delay in the senses. Mitchell, good morning. Caller i would support good morning i would support a delay if they made the census forms up with the question on citizenship, which would contravene the court, so that would be only for a technical reason. I would not support it to try and reestablish a position, which the administration clearly couldnt offend in the current Supreme Court ruling. I think a lot some of the ruling may have been influenced by the evidence that was turned over to the court from the architect of this plan, that it was strictly to disenfranchise people. Host if i understand correctly, i dont think the census forms have been printed yet, but the deadline for printing them is coming up really closely. If i understand correctly, President Trump has asked for delays in starting the printing of the census forms, so they could get the question answered. Caller i kinda gave you a nuanced answer. Again, that is something i wouldnt support. I wasnt sure whether they i gone to print because of the the timing of this ruling, but, other than that, no, i wouldnt support it. I want to clarify that. Host lets talk to patricia calling from rockford, illinois. Patricia would oppose the delay. Morning. Caller good morning. And the census for 72 years. Ead we will not see the results of the 2020 census for 72 years, because it is not revealed to the public because of the privacy act. Host so do you think that it should be delayed until this question is answered by the courts or do you think they should go ahead and start the census on time . Caller start the census on time, because we only use the numbers. We dont use the information out of the census. For years to go. Wrong. E we wont see this for 72 years. Do you realize that . Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell had a reaction at the Supreme Court as the Supreme Court made a decision on the senses and heres what the senator had to say. Do you think the question should be included . I dont have an opinion about that. It sounds reasonable to me, but i havent studied that case. I dont really understand what the courts decided. Maybe you do. So, i think it is kind of confusing. My general rule of thumb is if im confused about something, i choose not to answer the question. Host lets talk to kelly who is calling from florida. Kelly would support a delay in the senses. Good morning. Caller hi, good morning. How are you . Host just fine. Go ahead. Caller i think it is important to know who is in the country, and i think its important for funding local issues, and i think it is a common sense thing. I think the president S Administration should be able to make their case to the court, and to have it looked at again, and give them the opportunity to give a reason for why they need this question put on. Let them have the opportunity to make this case. Host lets talk to laura who is calling from troy, michigan. Laura would oppose the delay in the senses. Good morning. Caller good morning. I oppose it because the Supreme Court studies this, and came to a conclusion, that after that, they found a computer, not a computer, a laptop of a deceased republican planning this as election maneuvering so they could find out different areas where people were or were not citizens. Party wouldan resort to anything to see if they can take the boat away from somebody. I was a census worker a number of years ago. This information about citizenship had nothing to do with it. My parents, who were in this country for about 20 years, before they became citizens, they paid taxes, worked hard. My dad had a successful business. This has nothing to do with whether you are a citizen or not. The count is important for the amount of money that is given to districts, and the many Different Things, and the fact, if a person is a citizen or not, is totally irrelevant. Except for people that want to specifically look to see if they can do something with the election. President trump, you have screwed this country up enough. Host heres a tweet from representative mike levin about the decision from this up in court. Decisionupreme court politically motivated Citizenship Question is a win for all americans who believe in fair and accurate representation. Now, we need to make sure everybody participates in the census. Sorry, to jerry lets go to john calling from mechanicsburg, pennsylvania. John would support a delay in the census. John, good morning. Caller thanks for taking my call. My concern, and yes i would support a delay, and here is why. I think the concern we have in America Today is separation of power issue that is getting out of control. We have an executive branch and the legislative branch and the court system. The constitution clearly gives the executive branch, whether it is republican or democrat controlling it, the power to take control of the senses. It is in the executive branchs power to do the census. The Supreme Court has no right whatsoever to say, hey, there should be this kind of question on the census or that kind of question, or something should be excluded. They have no right to be in that debate at all. It has nothing to do a somebodies race, somebodies origin, where they came from. The executive branch makes the decision when they do it and what questions are on it. The issue that is going on in america is you have the Court Systems in america, the federal courts,upreme legislating every day, every year. That is the problem in America Today. Whether it is a democrat in the white house or republican doesnt matter. They control the census and decide what russians go in there. My concern is that the courts in america are out of control and are legislating. That is the concern. I would wait and let it go back up the court system and have them do what they did in the legislative redistricting in germany case. Basically say we have no right be involved in that. That is up to the political people. We are not getting into that frame. Thats what they should have done in this case, and they didnt. Host nancy pelosi reacted to the Supreme Courts decision as well. Here is what she has to say. We seem to be getting a mixed review on the census. It appears the Supreme Court is sending it to, perhaps, a lower court because the chief justice this is all reporting, so im getting it from you, is saying there was insufficient justification from the Commerce Department for this Citizenship Question that could be justification, he says. First, we heard they ruled in favor of the question, but now, it is a different question. That is all to say that we have to make sure, whether that question is on there or not, and i hope it is not, whether it is on there or not, whether the American People come forward and be counted. If people sad said since it is on there, i wont be counted. It means so much in terms of who in terms ofnation, what makes him america what makes up america, and how we address the needs of american and that people have representation justified by their numbers. Host here is a draft of the question the Trump Administration wanted tad to the 2020 ash wanted to add to the 2020 census. Wanted to add to the 2020 census. A citizen of the United States . You would have five answers. Yes, born in the United States. Yes, born in puerto rico, guam, the u. S. Virgin islands, or northern marinas. Yes, born abroad of u. S. Citizen parent or parents parent or parents. Yes, u. S. Citizens by nationalization, print year of nationalization. No, not a u. S. Citizen. They want to possibly add this question. The delay,ort oppose delaying the census for that question . Lets talk to jerry from arizona. Jerry would oppose a delay of the census. Jerry, good morning. Caller good morning. I oppose it for the reason that that the purpose is threefold. Mainly, to choose a proper representation from an area by population. The second is appropriate different funds. The third, maybe the most important one, is the reason for the senses, period, is to make sure there is proper representation for congressional convention. That is spelled out in the 10 year census, prior to the 10 Year Convention congressional convention, which we have never had. If we had one, it would mean some states would succeed. We never had that. I wont to make this other point. My understanding is that it is not unlawful not to respond to the census. It is also not against the law to skip a question, which is important. It is unlawful to answer with a lie on any particular question. , ifcan skip that question they proceed with it. But not give them free reign as to what the questions are going to be, that is why we have the court system. Host lets talk to art calling from michigan. Art would support a delay. Good morning. Caller yes. I believe if you are a citizen, it should be shown on the census report, because i dont think anybody illegal should be counted. It doesnt make any sense. That has to do with representation of us, and having illegals take a census report and having them accountable. Potentially, those people could be deported. Why would they be counted . It is just political. I find it upsetting. Thats all i had to say. Host lets go to freddie calling from indianapolis, indiana. Freddie would oppose a delay. Good morning. Caller hello . Are you there . Host we are here. Go ahead, freddie. Caller i oppose the delay and dont understand these people, primarily who are republicans. One guy was saying the executive branch controls the senses. No, it does not. It is done by congress, and other wares. You have to amend the constitution in order to change the census. Secondly of all, it doesnt say anything about a citizen. It is counting the total number of people in this country at the time the census is being taken. I dont understand these republicans. What is wrong with them . They just dont seem to have any concept as to the purpose of the census. If you want to amend the constitution, regarding the senses, but quit this stuff saying you want to see it changed, because it cant be changed unless the constitution is amended. Dont oppose what is already in the constitution until you amend the constitution. Host lets talk to derek calling from orlando, florida. Derek would support a delay. Good morning. Caller good morning, sir. Host go ahead. Caller i definitely believe we should delay it. Is, then is, behind it more political due to the fact the democrats are trying to get as many Illegal Immigrants into the United States by open they get freehen licenses, free college, free education, while america is hurting, and they have more opioid diseases, due to the open borders. And, again, im going past the point you are asking, but the senses would tell us who is in , and who is legal, who is not legal. I dont believe that these if should be attacked to be sent back to a country to the country they are from. I believe america deserves to understand how many Illegal Immigrants are in america. Host lets look at a couple of who arerom our viewers responding to this question. Heres one tweet that says at a national level, this information is used to plan the provision of health care, education, employment, transport, et cetera. Its used to determine where to build new schools, roads, health care facilities, childcare, and senior centers. Also, an economic tool. Another tweet that says did not close the store. Republicans li e a better in lets talk to abe calling from new york, new york. Abe opposes the delay. Caller good morning. First of all, the reason this question hasnt been on the senses for decades is because there are some people that pointed it out, the whole purpose of the question is by the republicans trying to find out Illegal Immigrants in this country. The purpose of the census is to determine where the residents are for funding and proper representation. This is a blatant racist attempt by republicans to try to terrorize socalled Illegal Immigrants to not even bothering to respond to the census to cut funding for areas where Illegal Immigrants are. I find it strange us far as cspan that this is even a topic of discussion. How many times have we seen Supreme Court decisions or rules strongly in favor of trump come up for discussion . I think cspan, lately, has become bias. I would throw one thing out to you, we always talk about the people that come on your show, and we identify them as republican or democrat. I think it would be fair if we have posts like yourself, not just yourself of course, let the viewers know if you are democratic or republican. Your point of view affects the topics chosen. Host lets go to cindy calling from Sterling Heights michigan. Cindy would support a delay. Good morning. Caller hello. , as wasport the delay already stated in an earlier call that it is the executive in thes right to put questions in the census, so since it is the executive branch is right to do so, why is everybody in an uproar. Besides, the executive branch is supposed to be protecting the citizens of the United States of america, not those who come in illegally, by the way, which are committing a crime when they come in illegally. Hereey really want to come to become american citizens, then why do they come in illegally . Theres a lot of people that wait long periods of time to do it legally. They shouldnt be storming our border to steal the goods of those of all who paid taxes, because that is what they want. They want freebies for tax from taxpayers. Do it right and get in line. Host lets talk to the next caller calling from lafayette, louisiana. She would oppose the delay. Marbelle. Good morning. Caller this is another reason why the United States is divided. Trump is doing everything he can to divide people, and he is doing everything he can to show prejudice against the people who are coming here illegally and legally. I think that the United States is in a sad situation, and instead of trying to make people get along together, he is trying to divide everything. Thank you. Host lets talk to scott calling from new york. Scott, good morning. Caller good morning. I oppose it. The senses could have been changed long before now, and now that we are getting election coming, that is the reason why that is a hot button issue. I hear so many callers for delaying the census. They are all. Being fox news they are all and opinionx news nests who should, and this is for me, should shut up. They should be marginalized. They are here to stoke up the population, the rightwing side. Who knows where we will end up with this, but they are from multiple fronts. This is just one of them. Leave the census alone and let it go. We know what it is for, and that is a. Thank you, very much. Host lets talk to randy calling from battleground, washington. Randy, good morning. Caller good morning. I think the question should be allowed. It should be delayed and allowed , because the sanctuary city policies allowing Illegal Immigrants into these major states itthe increases the population, federal funding, representation using the illegal population, and that disenfranchises the rest of the legal american voting citizens. That is really all i have to say about it. Host thank you for all of our callers who called in on the subject. Coming up next, we take a look at the 12 billion in needed repairs at the u. S. National argus. Ith marsha later on, our weekly spot line segment takes a look at impact of rain drain on states. Us to talk about herpes. Stay with us, we will be right back. Announcer book tv, this weekend. Today, at seven a clock p. M. Eastern, in his book the u. S. 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Dont i want my president isnt it smart for him to have Good Relationships with those leaders . Ok . Isnt that a smart thing . Comfort in the fact that these people are all talking to each other. Announcer this weekend, on book tv, on cspan two. Announcer washington journal continues. Host we are back with harsh marcia the project argust. Tell us what your interest in the subject is. The restore Americas Parks Campaign started three years ago at pew. We are focused on protecting National Park resources, cultural resources, natural resources, by addressing the deferred maintenance backlogs plaguing our National Park system. Currently, there is 12 billion worth of repairs that needs to be done across our parks, nationwide. Host how does that backlog come into being . Is it because the parks have been underfunded the entire time or is this something that has happened over the last few years suddenly . Guest its been happening over a number of years. The past decade, even more. There are a number of reasons. Our National Park service is over 100 years old. The facilities and infrastructure in our parks are deteriorating. A lot of infrastructure has reached the end of its lifespan. Add to that the over 300 million visitors coming to our park each year. That adds pressure. You are absolutely right. There is not enough funding each year for the park service to keep up with repairs. Host set the scene here. How many National Parks are there, and to exactly is in charge . Who manages the National Parks . Guest the federal agency that manages the parks is the National Park service. National currently 419 park units. National park units are the iconic western parks, you might think of, yellowstone, yosemite, and we also talk about battlefields like gettysburg, Cape Cod National seashore, national cemeteries, National Recreation areas. They are taking care of a lot of places and are very diverse. Host what exactly are the type of repairs you are talking about needing to be done . Are we talking about fencing, benches, campsites . You said cemeteries. What are the types of repairs you think need to be done for the National Parks . Similar tos are cities and towns in the infrastructure that they are taking care of. We think of these Scenic Vistas and wildlife, which certainly is parks, but people dont realize the National Parks are managing over 5000 miles of paved roads, 28,000 buildings. Things like visitor centers, employee housing, historic structures. We are talking about water systems, water lines that provide Drinking Water for visitors, Sewage Systems, restrooms that visitors want and parks. Infrastructure is over 50 to 60 years old at this point. Host are there any particular areas that you are focusing on more than others . Are you talking about the entire system . For example, is there something particular at gettysburg that you know needs to be fixed right now as opposed to a general overall, everything needs to be all the infrastructure needs to be updated . Host we are guest we are trying to address the issue systemwide. That theye has a list have and want to address issues, park by park. What we would like to see is a solution that provides dedicated funding to the park service, so they are not just reliant on annual appropriations, which simply arent enough. Luckily, there is a solution that is Bipartisan Legislation in the house and senate that would provide dedicated funding for our parks. Host we are talking this morning about the conditions of the National Parks and what can be done. And what should be done to make sure our National Parks are there for all of us in the future. If you would like to join this conversation, we will open the phone lines by regions this morning. If you are in the eastern or central time zone, we want to hear from you at 202 7488000. If you are in the mountain or pacific time zone, we want to hear from you at 202 7488001. We have a special line this morning, if you have visited a National Park in the last year, we especially want to hear from you. Tell us about what you saw in the parking what needs to be done. That line for people who have visited a National Park in the last year would be 202 7488002. Keep in mind, we are always reading social media, on. Witter, and on facebook if you were giving control of the purses, how much money is needed to bring our National Parks, around the nation, up to snuff . Repairs thatiority total overaddressed 8 billion. Those are the repairs most important to address. The mission of each park, visitor safety, health, and the protection of resources. The legislation in front of congress right now, and i should add that is supported by over one third of the senate and two thirds of the house and administration, that would provide over 6 billion over a period of five years. Parks enough to put the service on a sound footing and address the most important repair needs. That is a good start. Host lets talk to mark calling from napa, california. Mark, good morning. Mark, good morning. Caller hello . Host we can hear you, mark. Caller im right here. Thank you. That the National Parks are being looked at as far as maintenance. That needs to be done. E done a lot of campaign camping myself with my family. I was with the boy scouts and we went to these National Parks all of the time. Ccc,lifornia, i see the california conservation corps, which is a bunch of teenagers going out and maintaining the local parks here where i live in napa. Job. Do a great our parks really need help, and they are so beautiful. They have been there for a long time. Im glad they are being looked at. Thank you. Anst you bring up interesting point. There are partnerships that involve students and veterans, and they do fantastic work. They help with trails, so that is very helpful for the park service. It helps them save money. Unfortunately, groups like that, partnerships like that, they are not able to do some of the work like roadwork, and addressing Sewage Systems. We want to keep up those partnerships, but we need that significant investment from congress to address some of the projects that partnerships and philanthropist dont want to take on. Host some people have a question about the costs, especially given all of the other costs the government has to pay. Here is a tweet that came in that says the federal government pays 200 Million Dollars per hour in Social Security and medicare. Theres no money for anything else. What would you say to people else. What would you say to people that say there are more priorities than the National Parks . Guest this legislation is not based on taxpayer funds. It comes from Energy Development royalties. This is Energy Development that occurs on federal lands and waters. This is not a new concept. This is something that has been going on since the 1920s and 1950s. We feel that is a good use of royalties, using it to support our parks. The other response i would say, investing in our parks has a huge rate of return. Drivers. Economic not only do they protect resources, but they enable visitors who support to support local economies. The number last year is 20 billion that people are pumping into local economies. Those are often times rural economies. Host lets talk to luis calling from West Virginia. Good morning. Caller good morning. I agree we need to restore our parks. I watched the Senate Speaking about that the other day. Im so glad the senate is bringing this up. I think we should have manufacturers or local people in the state furnish the Concession Stands and give sops gift shops. It is seeming like everything is made in china and you pay 70 for a jacket made in china. Why cant we get a 70 jacket or early dollar tshirt made in america . 30 tshirt made in america . There are so many good artists in the states all over the place. I think these arts and crafts people should be selling things in our parks. Goodee they are doing a job to restore the parks back. I think it is a great thing. I look forward to going to our National Parks. Guest so, i cant speak to concessioners specifically, but i know, in a number of parks, if you go to the visitors store, many of those are run by friends groups that support the parks. A significant amount of the proceeds will go to various programs to help with the park, whether it is deferred maintenance or education programs. So, you might want to ask next time you are in the park. How are you helping the park . Host one of the issues the National Parks is going through is, at the green canyon, where the trans canyon pipeline, a 50yearold pipeline carrying canyon toss the supply the south rim, is suffering from multiple breaks and leaks every year and needs replacing. Can you elaborate more on the importance of the pipeline project, getting completed as soon as possible, and the implications should not be completed because of what draws people all over the world to the grand canyon and the impact of that not just on the park but on local communities in our state . Thank you so much, senator. Thanks for the question. What we find is the pipeline continuously breaks because of rock fall. When it breaks, it creates a tremendous burden on the visitor and also on the park. When people are coming to the grand canyon, and people see it as the crown jewel of parks. They want to have this experience, they go, and they need to use portable restroom facilities. They are eating from paper plates because the restaurants cant use the water to wash dishes. Constantly ces service is constantly scrambling to get water to the parks when the pipeline breaks. They are going to level two water restrictions and are making arrangements for water to be hauled and stored in tanks because they anticipate the pipeline is going to break. And peopleve this, begin to hear about it, visitors, not only is the experience diminished but people question, do we really want to go to the grand canyon National Park . This is a tremendous burden for the economy, because we do we depend on tourists for our economy. Flagstaff williams, all of the surrounding communities that struggle, this then creates a burden for the counties and for our economy. Host is there legislation in front of congress right now that would resolve this problem, and what is its status, and is it bipartisan . Guest there is legislation in the house and senate. It is probably as bipartisan as you can get. In the senate, the restore parks act, and in the house, the restore parks and public lands act, were introduced earlier in the year in the senate year. In the senate, a third supports this bill. In the house, two thirds support this bill. The administration is also on board. Just last week, there was a hearing on the issue, in the senate, and on wednesday of this past week, a bill was passed out of the House Committee of jurisdiction. This is moving along, and now, we want leadership to make time for a vote on this legislation. Host lets talk to jim calling from westville, massachusetts. Jim, good morning. Caller morning. Parks forn visiting the last four decades. They are probably some of the most wonderful places you can visit on planet earth. Realizeide, and we all parks need a tremendous amount of funding, the issue i have with the parks is the enforcement of the rules. And 70s, an 60s ranger was an enforcement officer and they all had the power to enforce the rules. I go to the parks now, and the behavior of guest, many of them is a True Research is atrocious. The campgrounds are loud, noisy, and people are misbehaving in the bathrooms. Ive seen things i dont want to mention. The park is being run by College Graduate rangers. They are not able to enforce the rules have the time, and it becomes a mess. The other issue is some of the backcountry travel, the trails can get overcrowded, and now theyre are permitting most of like tos i would see the United States citizens have first shot at the backcountry permits. I would like to see the handicap get first shot out of those people. Host go ahead and respond. Guest i think you have interesting ideas. Thosent experienced issues myself, but i will say, again, there are 318 million visitors coming to the parks each year, and with that, there are certainly going to be crowding issues on trails and in campgrounds. Unfortunately, the staffing at the park service has decreased over the years, so that is certainly something that needs to be addressed. Host lets look at some of the tweets from our viewers coming in on the subject. A lot of people on social media talk about how they love the National Parks. Heres one tweet that says our National Parks are a treasure. Give them the money. [laughter] host another says we love u. S. National parks. We visited several, and all were outstanding. We have one tweet that has a question. Feebe have a park user instead of the u. S. Taxpayer footing the bill . What would be your position on having a park user fee instead of taxpayer money . Guest this legislation does not use taxpayer money. There is a fee for some parks an entry fee. There are 419 parks. Is 118 parksve, it charge fees. The reason for that is that it is difficult for some parks to charge fees. The National Mall behind us, where are they going to have an entry booth for all of these people coming to the National Mall . Is there Better Technology that the park service can use . Can they partner with groups . Fees at more entry points . These fees are fairly nominal. That might be one way for the park service to get fees at more parks. Host lets talk to eileen calling from midland, michigan. Eileen, good morning. Caller morning. Im very strongly against any more funding for the parks. When we haveunding trillions of dollars in debt. It is time to realize that we should be operating with a budget. Host go ahead and respond. Guest i would remind people that investing in parks has a high rate of return. Most members of Congress Want a park in their district. They support parks in their there are local officials or mayors or counties that you know, if you talk to them, my guess is that they are supportive of this legislation. They are some of our biggest advocates because they understand the revenues that park tourists bring to their communities. Host lets talk to tina calling from massachusetts. Tina, good morning. Did i pronounce that correctly . Caller yes. [laughter] host go ahead with your question. Caller i was wondering [indiscernible] ,r even corporations like apple mobile, eggs on exxon, have they been approached as funders of some of the rehabilitation of these parks . Which would look good on their end, publicity wise, and it gets altruistic. That shows they care about this country that theyve than there start. Host do you understand her question . Guest i think so. Question is have corporations weighed in, and supported parks in and supported parks . There have been corporations who had partnered with the National Park foundation to support parks , and also individuals. There is an individual who supported the repair of the Lincoln Memorial and the washington monument. The issue is, there are several issues with that. Philanthropists arent interested in supporting the repair of roads and Sewage Systems. Thoses not too sexy, but are major issues that need to be addressed in our parks. Visitors may not see them, and they may not see those Sewage Systems leaching into the waters underneath their feet and the watersheds. The other issue is that corporations often times have volunteers, forces of volunteers that they want to help out within the parks. The parks dont have the manpower to help regulate and disperse those funds. Its a staffing issue. Host the National Park service is advocating for some of the money it thinks it needs to bring our National Parks backup to the position where they should be. Here is a video from the National Parks talking about the things they think they need. [sound of wind] ago,remember a lifetime when we started this journey. We were inspired by each other, to create something greater than ourselves. And ensurefeel alive what always was will always be. He saved the nation and they saved the world. When we were divided, when we were united, we aim tire aimed higher, and never stopped looking up, but along the way, my roads grew old, my bridges shouldered years of weight, my trails became welltraveled. And illre for them, be there for you. Will you be there for me . Host the government has gone through several shutdowns over political arguments over the last few years. How has that affected National Parks . Guest the most recent shutdown, which was fairly long, had a number of impacts. It seemed every paper had a picture of people who were upset about the shutdown. They didnt have the access they wanted. One thing that showed us was that people certainly do like the parks. And, that parks always get the headlines during a shutdown. ,he impacts on the park service it came at a terrible time when the park service was trying to line up seasonal employees for the summer. They werent able to do that. That put them back about a month and a half. They had to stop doing contracting. Much of that contracting was for deferred maintenance projects, so some of the projects now are going to be delayed and create even more of a logjam. Of course, the shutdown has an people going to parks, theyre not making hotel reservations, and it has an impact on local economies. Host lets talk to carl calling from des moines, iowa. Good morning. Caller hey, good morning. A great segue to my question. That theout the effect fascist and chief had on the especially america, joshua tree National Park. I understand that some of his metastasizing cancer was following badly and possibly put our National Parks back. The only way to counter this with this metastasizing cancer is vote for bernie. Guest protecting our parks is a bipartisan issue, so i think it is important that democrats, republicans, independence all Work Together to fix our parks. Host lets talk to lloyd calling from wisconsin. Lloyd, good morning. Caller good morning. Im calling about the person i called about the campgrounds movie and not kept up. There are a lot of campgrounds years ago run by the National Park system employees, rangers. Things change, budgets got cut, and those people were all laid off, and now they privatized to takes care of the campgrounds. Thatee with the person those quality of campgrounds change. If they wouldnt have privatized it, thinking they are saving became moreparks not likable to visit. Is part of theat problem. Years ago, they used to have archaeologists, lets say, that worked at National Parks, and they did projects where they had asked volunteers to come and work, and they would show them how to do archaeological things or restore things for free. Those people would work may be a week or two volunteering. Eventually, all of that changed retired andloyees they never replaced that person and they privatized it where that Company Comes in and its against for a project rebuilding. They probably do it cheaper. I dont believe they do it to the quality that they should. Host is privatization a problem . Some parkre are campgrounds that are privatized, but the majority are run by park Service Employees. Privatization is aware that scares people. What we should be talking about is partnerships. There are projects that park Service Employees may not have the extra to do. Some partnerships may make sense. Talk to mark calling from california. Good morning. Caller i would like to ask if the guest or anyone else in the audience things the u. S. Or National Park system is constitutional. I believe it is not. Even though i have been to several, and i think they are beautiful, i dont think it is the National Governments responsibility. Guest congress established the National Park service in 1916, so it has establishing legislation that mandates the parkservice to protect for historic objects, wildlife, and visitor enjoyment. I would say its a clear responsibility for the National Park service. Host before we take our last color, what is the next thing we should look for when it comes to legislation to protect the National Parks . Guest it is moving in the house through committee. It has moved through committee. We need house leadership to take it up on the floor. We are hopeful there will be a vote in the Senate Committee soon. Callingts talk to josh from toledo, ohio. Good morning. Caller thanks for taking my call. Im not sure why it would not be constitutional, but that is besides me. I want to remind everybody about the National Parks, they have been around for over 100 years. I believe Teddy Roosevelt was the first one to put them in who put them in. With all of the land we lose every year, everything is being expanded, that if we dont save these parks, they will be gone and our children and grandchildren wont be able to enjoy them. I agree, and actually it was Woodrow Wilson who signed the National Park Service Organic law. Protecting our parks is a winwin for everybody, for for localors, communities, for creating new jobs. I think it is important that the message get through to congress that they need to enact this legislation before them now. Host we would like to thank who thank Marcia Argust for being with us today. Susan mulligan with us. We will be right back. I am a white male and i am prejudiced. Something is it is that i was not taught, but something that i learned. 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Mugs arengton journal available at cspans new online store. To cspanstopr cspanstore. Org and see all of the products. Washington journal continues. Host we are back with Susan Milligan of u. S. News world report with our spotlight on magazines segment and we are talking about her article brain drain, what states stand to lose. Thank you for being with us. Guest thrilled to be here, thank you. Host what is brain drain . Guest brain drain is when a state loses a population of people who grow up in the state, get educated, and move to another state or get educated somewhere and stay there. Have anates do not educated population to start businesses or grow the economies of the state so what is happening is there is a regional trend where the states in the center of the country are losing well educated people to the coast. It is increasing the economic disparity as well as the cultural wars. Host you say it is increasing the economic disparity. What is the problem with people moving around in this way . Guest first of all, we are in a postindustrial economy now. I grew up in buffalo, new york so i am very familiar to what happens when a city loses its industrial base. Cantoblem is when you make a decent living working in you will go, somewhere else where you get a hightech job. You lose the actual population of the state, the population gets older, and it becomes difficult because you do not have younger people supporting the economy for the older people, but the second thing is that they are not coming back to the state and starting businesses. One example is West Virginia. There was a time when you certainly could make a decent living working at the coal industry. Those jobs really are not so much there anymore. People are leaving West Virginia and when they grow up there, they go to college somewhere else. And then they do not come back. Because they do not come back, you could start a business in West Virginia. You could put a Major Company there. But people are not doing that. If you are a Major Company, even if you were told for example that you got a good tax break or by moving there, if you do not have the educated population working there, you will not locate there. It is continuous spiral downward. Host that is the economic problem. Guest right. Host how does this brain drain affect clinical polarization in the country . Guest that is interesting. And this is correlation, not causation. In general, noncollegeeducated whites tend to vote republican. They went for donald trump by an overwhelming percentage in 2016 versus collegeeducated voters who went for Hillary Clinton. I think it might have been a 4 to 1 margin. This is just how people vote, it does not mean that if you go out and get a college education, you will start voting democratic necessarily. We want to be clear about that. The problem is that the states become more stratified, more homogenous. That is why we are seeing in the center of the country, states becoming redder. Ohio is a very good example of this. Ohio, i do not even think is a swing state anymore. You see the states along the coast becoming more blue. This political divide that we have in this country and sort of verging on hostility, or maybe not even verging anymore. Host if you would like to join this conversation about brain drain and how it affects both the economy and politics in the u. S. , we want to hear from you. We will open up our regional lines for this conversation. If you are in the eastern are central time zone, you want to hear from you at 202 7488000, if you are in the mountains, or pacific time zones, 202 mind, we and keep in are always reading on social anda on twitter cspanwj facebook at facebook. Com cspan. Is this a rural versus urban question or is this just about regions in the u. S. . Guest i think those things are intertwined. What is interesting with the urban and rural question, there is some excellent pew polling on this where they show the urban america and Rural America both feel aggrieved, they both feel like they are getting the shorter end of the stick when it comes to Government Support and attention, and each one things the other one does not understand it. [laughter] that,may be some truth to but it does become a function. If your economy no longer has a strong base in the Industrial Companies that it had back decades ago, you will be losing people and it will become more rural. People are moving to cities, texas is an interesting example of that. With themore to do fact that it is becoming more urbanized. You go to dallas and you drive around there, there are parts that feel like brooklyn to me because of how things have changed the i went to the new toyota headquarters in plano, and you feel like you are walking into google the way the place looks. That state is changing because it is becoming more urbanized. It will at some point to become a swing state at some point where there are leaving or moving to places like texas or illinois. Host what our states doing to combat this . The midwest states in the Southern States that are involved in this brain drain, what are they doing to try to stop it, or do they want to stop it . Guest they do want to stop and they do not know what to do. Purdue university is working on things to try to get people to stay. Ohio is trying to attract people who get stem degrees there to keep them there. New york state which is not having a problem with brain drain they are in an interesting situation where people leave but a lot of people come in, they have done something interesting. They were the first state to provide which is essentially public free higher education. Stay in have to do is the state for one year for every year that you got a scholarship. If you are working, you have to work in new york you cannot, work in connecticut and live in new york. If you do move, it turns into a loan. This is a way to keep people from getting an education in new york and then taking the degree and going somewhere else. Tulsa, oklahoma has a Small Program where they are trying to get people to work there remotely. Maybe there is not a job for you and tulsa but you can live there, and so many people can work remotely now given technology, so they are trying to get people to live there and work remotely. That is an interesting thing, too, and i talked to some demographers about this. Whether the cost of housing could start upending this and you could live really anywhere for a lot of jobs as long as you have broadband access. And whether that will start changing and dynamic. You see this a little bit with people in california moving to idaho, housing is a lot cheaper right over the border. Youve seen some smaller cities and places like south dakota starting to get a younger, hipper crowd because you can live there quite well, quite cheaply, and it starts to grow from there. But we are still at the beginning of that and as somebody pointed out to meet in West Virginia, there are huge part of West Virginia without broadband access. Our i want to read to viewers exactly what you wrote about this. Some states are making aggressive efforts to keep educated people from leaving. New york state and 2017 became different new york state in 2017 became the first state to make Public College virtually free under a certain threshold, 125,000 25,000 adjusted gross income this year. But there is a hitch. Must be employed in new york state. Our other states attempted to do this same thing . Guest i have not seen a program that is exactly like the excelsior scholarship program, but there have been efforts to provide some sort of Tuition Assistance in encouraging people to stay there. This is the only one i am aware of where you have to stay in new york for a year for every year that you get a scholarship. Host lets open up our phone lines. Lets talk to michael who is calling from pennsylvania. Michael, good morning. Caller good morning. That was very good, thank you. Think as your guest basically have aou need to hva combination of governments, private industry, and local government to get involved. You need all three people to start aggressive programs to try to redevelop these types of areas that have solely concentrated on the coal mining industry. There has to be a transformation. And people have to take that step. I think a lot of people are resistant because it has been there so long. These, thenly having government and private industry get together, but also the population. You have to make them aware of the fact that this is not your future. I think that is a difficult thing for people who have done this for 30 or 40 years. Guest yes. Whateople who know me know a buffalo booster i am, as i have seen this happen personally in the city that i love and if you ever meet a buffalo knee and, we are very bus we arefalonian, very defensive of buffalo. It is very difficult, you could have a basic middleclass life and those jobs are gone and most are not coming back, there are cities and places that have made the transition. Particular has attracted a lot of healthcare care related industry to the at anand it is actually incredible upswing right now. Pittsburgh with semiconductors, they did that some time ago. Cleveland is completely different. Places like West Virginia, it is harder. It is unfortunate because pennsylvania is a beautiful state. Not everybody wants to live in the middle of the city either, so there has to be a way to build the economy where people can live there, and a Diverse Group of people can live there. Host lets talk to patricia coming calling from new york. Caller good morning. I am calling because you are talking about the urban centers and drawing people there. The also concerned about rural areas. In new york, they have tried to t projectseren and the more Rural Counties which is the majority of new york which are impoverished for the most part. Even though they have some tourism, it is not a great name state for them. These projects have not really gotten off the ground. They have tried Empire Development districts, they have tried all kinds of things which do not seem to have really gotten momentum. Even though they are trying to help the of states, the upstate is still suffering greatly and it is in a major depression. Stay . You make them there are no jobs. The state is trying to do something, but it cannot accomplish anything. Guest i think you are pointing out exactly what the difficulty is here and i have traveled in all of those parts of new york, and you are right. How can you tell a young person to come backg up and stay after are no jobs there . You are ashley wright. Host lets talk to you are absolutely right. Host lets talk to bob from michigan. Caller i would remind susan that there are other places in michigan than detroit. [laughter] guest absolutely. Caller like a grand rapids. What michigan went through in early 2000s was a loss of our population and the educated kids because of the Auto Industry and the loss of that. Yearsnt the last 10 rebuilding that through what we call the stem curriculum in the high schools which is science technology, mass, and i forgot guest engineering. Caller right. There is a city and west michigan called kalamazoo where they privately started what they call a column as they call a Kalamazoo Promise which is any kid that graduates from Kalamazoo High School have all of their college paid for privately, and this is done with private money. Over the past 10 years, we have started to regain industry such and rebuilding the heavy Industries Like autos and the trucks. But also, concentrating on the more Technology Driven Industries Like ai and auto the mobility sections of the Autonomous Vehicles and so forth, which is a good fix for the industries here. Michigan is on its way back and even though detroit might still be trying, the left part of the state is already banking it. Guest that is great. My dad went to Kalamazoo College for the record. Are people staying after they get their educations there . I think that that is the issue. Host is this a congressional problem, is this something that congress is looking at or should this be left up to individual states is it a local problem. Guest that is an interesting question. I have not seen Congress Look at this as a whole. , thereis of my report was a really interesting report by the joint Economic Committee which by the way, shout out to them. It was beautifully written in addition to being well researched and they went through what was happening mathematically in all of the states, and the trends over the past 40 years. About thed, too, applications of this with the country becoming more divided. Technology allows us to understand each other better but the country is getting more polarized. The basis was i am not entirely sure what congress can do about it. You cannot make people move to a state. You can offer incentives that people live there. I do wonder whether housing from thell forfeit other direction more of a stick than a carrot. Host maurice calling from east douglas, georgia. Caller good morning, how are you . Host just fine. Go ahead. Caller i have a few things i want to push back on. Ohio is not turning red, remember, barack obama won the state twice. Of the people, black folks, the democratic nominee in 2016 would have won that state. Number two, texas is already majority minority but it is a nonvoting state. Votede latinos and blacks in the state for the democratic nominee, that state would already be consistently blue statewide. Number three, it is really all about culture. It is not about jobs. Young people do not want to be economyogenous, unhip and culture. I live right now in middle georgia. And it is basically all black and white. Older black folks and old white folks. But i lived in atlanta for 20 years and i am going back there, but that is what young people do. They want to be in a place that is hip and culturally diverse, and that is what the millenials and generation x are anyway. Every generation subsequent to that is going to become even more diverse. You have to incentivize them through incentivizing the culture to become more diverse. These heartbeat bills and things like that are only driving people, young people away from guest yes, of course. I did not mean moved. Est it, but it has texas, interestingly enough, it is majority minority but that is not why that day is getting more democratic. It is because it is becoming more urbanized. They have attracted a lot of Big Companies they are moving to work at those companies from california, illinois, and new york area georgia is this date and new york. Georgia a state is a state that is moving. There was one more thing i wanted to address. Host we are talking about reasons but sometimes we have the same brain drain issues inside of states. Guest he talked about people wanting to live in somewhere young and hip that is true. There was another separate report out called state of change done by the bipartisan policy center. Always interesting talking about this particular one that talked about how the parties are becoming more defined by different groups with noncollege noncollege educated whites being more republican and the Democratic Party becoming more and more diverse. An interesting thing that people brought up when it came to age is that millenials and generation zers are voting democratic, but as people get older, they tend to get more conservative. However, what is different now as people are getting married later and having children later, so they are wondering if that then delays that sort of movement to become more politically conservative as you get older. And what you brought up about young people wanting to live and younger and hipper places, that is more extended now, because they are not getting married at 22 as they might have a couple of generations ago. Host we do have to think about these issues with an estate. We have one person here who we left upstate new york because we could see our children would never be able to live where they were raised because of the lack of employment. It broke my heart but it was the best thing we ever did. Do we see that brain drain happening within states . Guest absolutely. Upstate new york is a great example of that. I understand that the mentality where are your children going to work when they get out of school . It is definitely a problem. Host lets talk to john who called from Silver Spring maryland. Caller is the guest name susan . Guest yes. Host susan, i to live inan, i used buffalo, new york in the 1980s and people used to come to work because of the job offering before the nafta, but i will say this most people just jumping left and right. What you are saying is exactly you always love where you were born or raised as a family. You want that place to be strong economically, schools, and you want to be close to your family. But what are we seeing in buffalo, people once the nafta came up, everyone moved out of the state and moved. I travel a lot. In westat happened virginia, ohio, and indiana. It breaks my heart. This is where the people used to theroud to have a job and parents and kids are close to each other. And they have a good connection. And that is what you are probably talking about right now. It is an economic issue. Bornyou build where i was even though i was not born in buffalo, i did go back to buffalo because i see right now that there is light in the tunnels. A lot of people came back, they invested in the states, they create jobs, and people who grew up in that area, they went back to buffalo because it is a beautiful place to live. Host go ahead. Guest it is and i think it is a good example buffalo losing its population was not just about nafta. That had been going on for a long time with the decline of the industry there. They tried several things as you probably know, to try to bring people back. I believe that Health Care Related industries has worked on that. When young people moved back, when i talk about a downwardly spiraling affecting other states, it goes upward in a place like buffalo because young people are moving back, they are turning these Old Buildings into downtown. Lofts the river has been integrated into the community and a used to be a place for industry to dump into. When young people move back, it becomes more hip, and then it starts spiraling upward. I would love it to see other cities in other communities in the nation do that. I feel that things like that built this country. And i want them to survive. Host lets talk to catherine who was calling from concord, new hampshire. About a few calling moments ago when you were talking about the idea of free college for each year that they paid for your college, you had to stay in the area. I graduated from college in new jersey in 1963. It was a State College that offered free tuition. You had to qualify by taking an exam. And you had to stay teaching in the states for at least three years after you graduated. And you had to keep up a grade point average each year to qualify for the free tuition, the next year. It worked out very well. One of the things missing from today is when you do not hear that they have to have a qualifying exam to get in, and they do not have to keep up a grade point average. It does not seem to be responsibility. They go in, they take five credits we had 15 credits each semester. Go intoin and they party, whatever, but if you have this qualify to get in, keep up your grade point average, and then i think it is a good idea to pay their tuition. Guest actually, i did not get into all of the details of my story. You do have to keep a certain gpa and you definitely have to graduate on time. They have certain restrictions. And you do not automatically get full tuition, it varies according to need. It sounds like your program was for teachers and i think there are some programs like that for certain professions. Glad you did it. Host i will point out that there is a story about the Kalamazoo Promise in todays wall street journal. It talks about the program and how it has our has not helped kalamazoo. Lets talk to michelle who was calling from warren, michigan. Caller good morning. I just wanted to make the point when i heard the gentleman from grand rapids around that time 2000, i left michigan and lived in new york and got some great job experience. I moved back 2000, here so we could have a house and a little mores face. I understand the brain drain and the conflict because michigan is a little bit of a different place. You maybe feel more comfortable in other places where it is a little more easy to get around on public transit. It is a conflict, but it is nice to be back in the home state, too. Guest i am glad to hear that. The poll to go back to where you grew up is very powerful, particularly when you get older i am finding. Host are you planning to go back to buffalo . Guest my partner is puerto rican and he has spent a few holidays in puerto rico, and he is not very excited to go back in there. Host i would love to go back to mississippi to but my wife is not in love with mississippi either. [laughter] host madeleine, good morning. Caller i would like to comment that one of the things that the country is not taking into likederation is the skills agriculture businesses that support agriculture that are not that are acting like those skills are not necessary. I think that is a mistake that our country is making in this big moved to big cities as we have a population that is totally dependent on agribusiness. Disruptsng agribusiness, those people are going to be in real trouble. Abouto not have any idea how to produce food or to cook food or to any of those kinds of things that are part of smalltown life or particularly, rural smalltown life. Guest i am glad you brought that up. It takes me back to when i was a very young reporter and work for some small newspapers in upstate new york. We had a little Bumper Sticker that they gave us that said that farmers feed you three times a day and it is true, and i think it is an important point. Host we would like to thank Susan Mulligan of u. S. News world report and talking about her article brain drain. Good to see you. Guest thank you for having me on. Host the remainder of our show, we will return to our question about the senses and whether census, and whether it should be a delayed due to the Citizenship Question. Newsmakers and she scotusd about recent cases and chief Justice John Roberts role. The gerrymandering case i think was a wonderful opportunity for the justices to step back and say, we are being asked to do something the judges are not entitled to do under the constitution to secondguess the redistricting. It is political and might be ugly but the judges should not get into that. I thought that was a great conclusion and absolutely right. The majority, the chief justice and the conservatives. The other case, the census case, we saw the court going the other way and the chief justice leading that. He seems to want to be, chief justice marshall, to give a little bit to each person and dole this out, but that is not the role of the judge. It worries me because it does show a really political nature to some of those decisions. It was disappointing to see that in that case. He clearly left the door open for the president to administrator to have a Citizenship Question. It is hard to come to any other conclusion and has been on the census for most of our nations history and continues to be asked and spotcheck surveys but not of the entire census. It would be shocking to say it is not constitutional but then he went outside the role of what a judge is supposed to be doing in reviewing this by saying, startgo try to delving into this objective rolls here. That is not the Legal Standard for looking at policies like that were such broad discretion is given. However, overall, it was a very successful term for conservatives in particular. Great decisions on religious liberty, separation of powers i was very encouraged. Washington journal continues. Host we are going to reopen our phone line so people can talk to us and the world about their the President Trumps request to delay the census so they can get Court Supreme their reasoning for adding a Citizenship Question. I am going to read a little bit from the reuters story about this. President donald trump on thursday proposed an extraordinary delay to the 2020 census after the u. S. Supreme court blocked his efforts to add a Citizenship Question, but legal experts say that such a move would violate the u. S. Constitution. On twitter after his setback, trump said, i have asked the lawyers if they can delay the matter how long until the United States Supreme Court can be given Additional Information on this critical matter. No Citizenship Question has been a part of the census since 1950. We want to talk to you about whether you support President Trumps request to delay the census. If you do, we to hear from you at 202 7488000. If you oppose President Trumps request to delay the census, and possibly add a Citizenship Question, we want to hear from you at 202 7488001. Post wrote an story about this as well that i want to read to you. Here is what the Washington Post had to say. President trump tweeted thursday that he had asked the lawyers if the 2020 census could be delayed no matter how long following the Supreme Courts decision to put the inclusion of a Citizenship Question. 20 plus years, has there ever been a delay to the census . No. He date is set the exact date is determined by congress. It has varied over time but since the 1930 count, but the official date has been april 1. While the process has been complicated by a tugofwar between the executive and legislative branch, the count has never been delayed. Not in the lead up to the civil war, not in the great depression, not for any reason at all. Once again, want to hear from you on President Trumps request todelay the census possibly add a Citizenship Question. If you oppose it, want to hear from you at 202 7488001. If you support it, your line is 202 7488000. Lets talk to teresa who was calling from florida. Good morning. Caller yes, i oppose this. One man should not stop the whole country from doing something that has never been stopped before. This is an important subject. Funding for all kinds of things, for schools, everything. Been so happy with his Supreme Court and now they went against him, he is ready to stop it. It has never been stopped by war. It is never been stopped by depression. Why should it be stopped by him. Lets go to natosha calling from troy, michigan. Good morning. Caller good morning. There was a nefarious idea about this census stop or correct. Wilbur ross who was the one who suggested this and they were trying to find out how to theect the dots between theng populace, between hispanics and other nonvoters. After a while, there was evidence found from a man that died, he was a republican operative, and they found detailed calculations on his gains thatojecting the republicans would see in texas by basing the legislative districts and finding the number of voting citizens rather than the total population. Contact to that voting public and convince them to vote are participate or not participate in the census, that they would have an advantage. Theyocument shows that could gain if they could possibly just ask every member in their household whether they were citizens or not. Guest host in fact, wilbur ross addressed part of that and a comment that he had earlier this week. I want to read that to you. Is widespread belief among many parties adding a Citizenship Question could reduce response rate, the Census Bureaus analysis did not provide empirical definitive support for that believe. That is wilbur rosss response aout whether or not adding Citizenship Question would stop people from participating in the census. Lets talk to david who was calling from bellevue, nebraska. David, good morning. Caller thank you for taking the call. Is whatever the president wants, he should gets, without question. Sus is necessary because the democrats have allowed so many illegals in the country that we have to start finding out where everybody lives and who they are going to vote for. Vote, problems occur in america. Host david did you mean that i think we lost david. Lets go to mary calling from mabee, West Virginia. Good morning. Caller hi, thank you for accepting my call. I am calling with regard to the facts. Since we already know with that beginning on april 1 and there has been no deviation, when it comes time for technology to put all of these , we are going to find an algorithm of truth and fact that no one can deny. That is the gift of future technology. If you want to get the president s way, just put the question on their beyond the algorithm, people do not have to answer that question. It is a safe thing to do. Have it both ways. Check the integrity of the day and time of it and at the same way, give the president what he wants read it is not going to hurt. It is only the private citizens that get no access to the census data. There is something wrong. You see the kinds of things they take from the system information and the politicians know how to read those things, too. So why is a private citizen trying to find families or whatever dream they want to fill have no access to it . I think technology will help with that in the future, so that is the good news. Thanks, hope you enjoyed. Host lets talk to martin from brookville, wisconsin. Good morning. Caller thank you for cspan. S goes,as the censu the more information we have, isnt that better. Manynly should we know how people are here but who is here, why wouldnt we want to know a if you are asks citizen or not . To me, it is so logical and so plainly obvious. Why would somebody oppose it . Think wereason is i have a whole set of people who want to resist. Why would they not want complete information . What do you think about that . Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell was asked what he thought about the Supreme Court decision. Here is what he had to say. Do you think the question should be included . Sen. Mcconnell i do not have an opinion about that. It sounds reasonable to me but i have not studied that case. I do not even really understand what the court decided. Maybe you do. I think it is kind of confusing. My general rule of thumb is if i am confused about something, i choose not to answer the question. Host lets talk to larry calling from albany, new york. Caller good morning. I am calling once again, donald trump, when he does not get his way, he wants to change the game. Republicans sit around because they are afraid of tweets. This census question is not to gather data. It is to gather data so they can go and seize people who have come into the country, and he can have massive raids. Donald trump and republicans that are truly here in the country because their ancestors came through ellis island. But they were not treated the way they are treated as the hispanics. All of this is another thing for him to use to divide, his racism, and ignite his base. That is all he does. All he wants to do is act like a dictator and sit around and suck putin, anda anybody who is an ally, he does not care. This census question was something sent from donald trump, probably miller, and it is not just to gather data. Oning the primaries and go to the general election so he can time it for raids to say that this is what i am doing. He did not get the wall built and he did not do anything else. This is just another racist tactic that he uses. Host going back to the reuters article, i want to read a little more about what writers wrote. Census would be unprecedented, says a professor at the university of wisconsinmilwaukee. It is written into the federal to be act, and would need changed legislatively for a delay to be constitutional. Almanacs bureaus for a tad estimated that about 65 Million People would not respond to the census if the set is to if the Citizenship Question was added. The rationale for the question seems to be contrived and the government has not given a reasoned explanation for its actions. The Supreme Court sent the issue back to the Commerce Department which is in charge of the census, to decide whether to provide a different rationale for the question. Lets talk to rich calling from audubon, new jersey. Caller good morning. Hi just think it is ridiculous that we do not ask that. I always thought that question was asked. Are you a citizen. How do we determine a representation of the people in the districts of the state if you are going to have all of these the democrats are trying to stuff the states with itl aliens to get them is voter fraud. What it is doing is it is say inng our votes, our the government by people who do not even belong here. That is my two cents. Host lets talk to beverly who was calling from santa maria, california. Caller good morning. Thank you. Objections to my holding this, the census back. That has been said [laughs] ilast man agree with. All of the talk about what has been done in the past, soandso tried this, the Citizenship Question, and all of this that has no bearing at the moment because trump has instituted a whole new way of governing. His reasons are purely political from all appearances. We should not allow it to happen. I like what you just read saying that he has once again bypassed the legislation. I am tired of seeing him get his way. Johnnyets talk to calling from rochelle, georgia. Caller good morning. Test from the census that had those questions on the form that i got and attached to it was a page of 8 to 10 foreign interpretations. I would love to know how many people responded to that to prove whether or not people will respond if that question is on the census . I would love to know it. Host you received a text from the Census Bureau . Caller i guess it was a test asking questions about citizenship. I filled it out, sent it back in, and told them i was a u. S. Citizen. Host how long ago was the test you received . Caller it was this year, probably a week and a half ago. It took me about three days to get a reply and lo and behold, the day i mailed it back, i got a followup letter that said we have not received a response yet. [laughter] caller i would love to know how people responded to that test. You have a good day. Who lets talk to leo was calling from massachusetts. Leo, good morning. Caller good morning. The census is in article one, section ii of the United States constitution. Therefore, tell all of the republicans to stop listening to fox news and read the constitution. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi reacted as well to the Supreme Courts decision to not immediately put the Citizenship Question on the u. S. Census. [video clip] we must be getting a mixed review on the Supreme Court on the census. It appears that there sending it down because the chief justice now this is all reporting so im getting it from you is saying that there was not sufficient justification from the Commerce Department for the Citizenship Question. Sufficient be justification, he says. At first they ruled in favor of the question but now it is a different question. That is all to say that we have to make sure whether that question is on there or not, and i hope it is not, but whether it is on there are not, the American People come forward and be counted. Sad occurrence that people said i am not going to be counted. It would be so sad in terms of who we are as a nation and what makes america, who are we, and how do we address the needs of the American People. And by the way, how do we reapportioned seats in the congress and the United States of people have representation. From lets talk to ben nebraska. Caller i was at mexico and they came back from the border and said [indiscernible] and i stammered. It really means a birth certificate. If you look up citizenship in the dictionary and follow through all of the meanings, it ends up with the proof of where you were born, and a ship you a dna at that time instead of a Social Security. That would stop all of the abortions and the names of the partners and mommy and daddy and stick them with a bill for a lifetime. Thank you for your time. Host lets talk to norma who was calling from whiteland, indiana. Good morning. Caller good morning. Host we hear you, go ahead. Caller ok. I disagree that we should stop the census, because it takes so much work to get it together. Ed 20 years ago. Addressing. And then i went to filling out the ones that had not been returned. Thathen i went to the ones was questionable. It was all work on that was october before i was finished. I worked five states. Three states and five counties. It is just too much to do and it should not be slowed down. It has to be done. Callingts talk to ed from pleasant valley, new york. Good morning. Caller good morning. Have a reason for this census why wouldnt we want to know who is here let alone the americans who are all being checked on through the census . Right nowarea is 2 3 is unamerican. The cost of living in this new york state is ridiculous. If we do not know all the people that are here, how can we adjust for the cost . That is my point. If all americans did not comply to the census, what would happen to this country . Nancy pelosi seems to think it is ok that it is not on there. Why wouldnt we want to know who is living in this country and how much it is costing americans . Host we want to break in here and talk about another issue that has come up. New York Police Detective louise alvarez, who testified on capitol hill for the 9 11 Victim Compensation fund, has died today. Here is the story in todays who york times alvarez monthd with congress this benefits to police officers, firefighters and other emergency workers who responded in september 11, 2001 terrorist attacks died on saturday. He was 53. Mr. Alvarez received a diagnosis in 2016. The disease was spent to the three months he spent at the site at the top of World Trade Center towers in Lower Manhattan searching for survivors and remains of fellow officers. If you would like to see the testimony that he provided the congress, you can go to cspan. Com where you can find the testimony from the late luis alvarez who was one of the Police New York city police detectives. He testified in front of congress this month. Once again, you can find his testimony on cspine cspan. Org and you can see his testimony on cspan later on today. Jrs go back to calls to from oklahoma. Caller it is bartlesville, oklahoma. I have a question on the census question. Is it going to pick up the american citizen children of undocumented immigrants . Is it going to pick up documented immigrants who are working on their green card and their children . It looks like it is just a way to take a chainsaw to the total count of citizens in the United States. Thank you. Host lets talk to sylvia who is calling from clover, south carolina. Good morning. Caller good morning. Go ahead. Caller oh, ok. I was calling, i am confused host sylvia, turn your television down a little bit. Caller can you hear me now . Host yes. Go ahead. That ok, it appears ist lets go to charles who calling in woodridge, illinois. Caller good morning. Host go ahead. Caller i am so tired of President Trump. All over ourot constitution and again, it is unconstitutional. It is in their an article i, section ii. Checkdy has to put him in because apparently the republicans in the senate are not going to do that. Host lets talk to wayne calling from reidsville, georgia. Good morning. Caller good morning, and how are you today . Host i am fine, how are you . Go ahead. Caller my question is since the census deals with adequate representation, how are we going to have adequately qualify representation if we are not counted as u. S. Citizens . It seems like most parties are after a lot of Different Things so lets drop the politics now i think it all comes back to this one thing and it is just money and how they cut up the taxes. Dave callingalk to from liverpool, new york. Caller good morning. I would like to point out to my republican friends that nowhere i does it say citizenship for the census. It is about counting the number of people in the United States. Thank you, have a good day. Host a quick programming note later on today, president ial candidate elizabeth warren, amy more will and one deliver comments and you can watch live on cspan, online at cspan. Org, or listen live on the cspan radio app. Later this evening, Vice President mike pence. 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