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Our e twitter, and then on Facebook Page at facebook. Com cspan. From the editorials and papers from the shutdown, we look at the winners and losers topic. This is the topic of the wall street journal, Chuck Schumer, shut down. If you go to the opinion pages of the New York Times, the jello president and the shutdown. And if you go to the column section of the New York Times, Michelle Goldberg this morning, schumer sells out the resistance. Thats just some of the ways its playing out in the papers and columns across the United States. If you go to the pages of the hill at hill. Com, a story posted on those winners and losers from the Government Shutdown and joining us on the phone to give us context, alex bolton who reports on capitol hill for that publication. Thanks for joining us. Guest thanks for having me. Host on the list of the winners and losers, the Senate Minority leader Chuck Schumer shows up and you focus on the story this morning, how do you think he fared the last couple days . Guest he got himself out of a tough situation, mitch mcconnell, the Senate Majority leader, wasnt making compromises or giving significant concessions but agreed to bring an immigration february e floor in in which he said a level Playing Field and promised an open amendment promise and they say its a small victory but fell short of what they wanted when they shut down the government and they wanted a meeting with trump to negotiate a deal on immigration as well as spending or they wanted a commitment from the g. O. P. Eaders to add or attach to a bill. What they sold for was much more modest and the republicans argued theyd have a immigration debate anyway regardless in february because of course theres the march 5 deadline to take care of the dreamers because president rump rescinded the dreamers in and set a march 5 deadline. Host if im mitch mcconnell, where do you go from here and is this a victory for him . Guest a very big victory. He stared doubt a democratic shutdown. The biggest leverage the Minority Party can have is to block a spending bill, force a Government Shutdown unless they get what they want. They used their biggest weapon and they came away with very little. And so that is a victory for mcconnell. He was vindicated. He refused to offer any major concessions. He refused to give much ground whatsoever and he got what he wanted which was a reopening of the government. So i think its a pretty strong victory for mcconnell. Now, you could argue, perhaps, that if there isnt a deal on immigration and that the daca recipients, the socalled dreamers are left unresolved after march 5, then maybe its not a good outcome for mcconnell because its an opportunity to take care of an issue which has very strong bipartisanship support and shows 81 of americans think the dreamers should not be deported so if nothing gets resolved by march 5 and that would maybe be bad for the republicans and that would be perhaps a loss for mcconnell because he missed an opportunity to take care of it now. Its not something hes losing sleep over but feels happy with the way it worked out. The republicans i spoke to yesterday in the senate thought t was a big victory. The senator from arkansas said it was, quote a massive political blunder by the democrats. Host talk about the role of moderates especially on the senate side, not only republicans but democrats. , est joe manchin running which trump won in 2016, he led the charge along of course with Susan Collins, the moderate epublican from maine who often rises above the fray and to attention and above the crowd wherever theres a crisis or standoff. Crucial to defeating the Health Care Legislation and the obama legislation earlier this year and also was crucial to passing tax reform this year. Shes a pivotal player. She was hosting meetings in her office and there were more than 20 democratic and republican colleagues. She had a bipartisanship group that reaches as big as two dozen and they over the weekend and yesterday, they met and they negotiated and they figured out what it would take to reopen the government and essentially theyre the ones that presented a plan to the democratic leadership and ultimately the Republican Leadership and they brokered this deal to get the government reopened. Now, i think if theres a criticism of the moderates, at least they got schumer to change his position because what the democrats agreed to on monday wasnt all that different and was similar to what they rejecked on friday in terms of the month long house pass c. R. And they got a commitment from mcconnell to bring up immigration legislation, and democrats said that was an important victory but republicans say they were going to do that anyway. So would it have happened if the moderates werent meeting and presenting plans to the leadership . I think the shutdown would have gone on a few more days. Host walk us through the next couple weeks specifically on the immigration debate, what do you expect to play out . Guest well, you know, the democrats and republicans have retreats coming up at the end of this month, beginning of next month. The president s state of the union is coming up. There is they still have to negotiate the spending caps for the appropriations bills. They need to figure out a deal on disaster relief. The fiscal year, of course, started at the beginning of october. Were well into it. They have a lot of work to do on the appropriations bills. And the spending negotiations have been held up by this demand by the democrats to deal with daca, to deal with the dreamers. So i think over the next three weeks the length of the c. R. , were really going to see leaders trying to figure out what the spending caps are and get an omnibus spending package put together and then i think theyre going to turn to immigration. I think mcconnell said, well, in his pledge on the senate floor, he said if there isnt a deal on immigration by february 8, the date of when the c. R. Expires, im going to bring an immigration bill before the floor with a level Playing Field which will be an open amendment process. I would be very surprised if they reach any immigration deal before that date. So i think what were going to see is a dual effort in the house and senate. In the Senate Mcconnell will bring what he promised the democrats a neutral vehicle but who exactly will write it and what its going to look like still needs to be negotiated. And then on the house side, theres going to be an immigration debate but dont think there will be what Senate Democrats or even House Democrats want or envision. Its not going to be you know, whether whatever passes the senate in terms of immigration comes down for, instead Speaker Paul Ryan indicates he wants to have a debate and vote on a much more conservative Immigration Reform bill which is sponsored by Bob Goodlatte, the republican chairman of the Judiciary Committee and that bill is a lot more conservative than what democrats are willing to support. This is to secure americas futures act and includes some things that are absolute nonstarters with the democrats such as requiring employers to use the e verify system to ensure they hire legal workers and they also want to end chain migration which is a Sticking Point for democrats in the senate. So there are a number of things in this more conservative immigration bill sponsored by Bob Goodlatte that will be a problem for democrats. I think the Speaker Paul Ryan, his initial inclination is bring that more conservative bill to the house floor and see if it can pass and maybe it can or maybe it cant. If it cant, then well see whether he takes up the immigration bill that gets passed by the senate and that assumes something can pass the senate. I guess well see about that. Host alex bolton, the senior staff writer for the hill following the events the last couple days and beyond. Thanks for your time this morning. Guest thanks for having me. Host the winners and losers of the Government Shutdown. We want to hear from you this next hour, for democrats call us at 2027488000 and independents 2027488002 and for republicans 2027488001. From the independent line youre up on winners and losers. Go ahead. Caller i would say really both in the long run, both parties theyre out because alienating the people they want to bring in the party, whether ts republicans and democrats. Democrats and liberals or independents, democrats are not coming over to the republican side because they feel like republicans are not compassionate and dont care about immigrants and theyre racist and xenophobic and democrats look like those conservative leaning independents in places like minnesota and wisconsin, they look like theyre holding the country hostage for a small select group of noncitizens putting immigrants over citizens. So i think joe manchin what he did, hats off to him. I wish wed have him and Susan Collins would be the majority leader and the minority leader as opposed to schumer and mcconnell because, you know, they actually got the work done and either of the other two did, mcconnell and schumer, would showboat and try to make headlines. Host lets go to gary in portage, michigan, republican line. Caller i think we ought to let the go back to a poll tax and the people who dont pay any taxes send them the bill if they want to spend somebody elses money. We all know who signed up in votes. Host with what played out who are the winners and losers . Caller the taxes are the losers and feel bad for the military, people who signed up to serve this country and the politicians are more concerned about Illegal Immigrants who broke the law and who then wants to become citizens will be eligible for food stasms and housing vouchers and Free Education and my property tax will go up like everybody elses property tax and we already have a Service Economy we went from a building things and growing things and mining things to a Service Economy. Host don in gaithersburg, aryland, democrats line. Caller can i make a suggestion . Host answer the question first as far as what you think of winners or losers . Caller to be honest as americans, theres no winners or losers. Thats one of the suggestions i ant to make to you guys. America, democrats or republicans [inaudible] all you need to know is we are americans. When things happen like this, everybody from america is a loser, ok . We are ashamed of the republicans and democrats and the party leaders, they do nothing and try to solve the function of our governments. We are americans no matter youre democrat or republican or independent, we take care. Americans are the first. Legal americans. Citizens. We are americans, passport first. Somebody else second or third. Host ok. Thats don in gaithersburg, maryland. Some of the thoughts on the phone line and some of the thoughts on twitter. This is al Fred Hernandez saying both parties lost credibility and 95 of the people win. The shutdown was manufactured by both parties in both houses by letting tax cuts and jobs acts pass knowing eliminating worldwide tax and parting deferred meant budget problems and the shutdown. Jim hines is saying this morning it was senators durbin and graham and their efforts at smear politics who are the biggest losers in this effort. Well go to another don in jackson, michigan. Hello. Youre on the independent line. Caller hi, how are you doing . Yeah, theres no winners on this thing. The American People just got it again. Theyre just going to do this in another two weeks. Host why specifically no winners . Caller well, because the political party, the way it is set up now, its in flux for many years. They dont go for the American Voter or the american citizen. They have gone completely 190 degrees the wrong way. Caller theres so much stuff n the history of this party, bickering crap, i can tell you that it started with johnson and started with carter and started with obama and started th every one of them had something to do with shutting down the government. For what . So the veterans dont get paid, the military dont get paid, you know. When they show the president as looking like oh, hes the big guy that ended up pushing this to us, so we did it. Well, look, hey, carter turned round and gave the immigrants, they passed a bill to give Social Security to the mexicans. Host north carolina, republican line. This is mike. Caller good morning, how are you today . Host im well, thanks. Go ahead. Caller the edge this time barely goes to the republicans. I mean, historically on these Government Shutdowns, the democrats have found it fairly easy with the help of a friendly media that tends to lean more to the left to paint the republicans as the mean, evil warlords, that they love to paint them at. But as the old happy days analogy goes, i think they jumped the shark this time. I really think with making their stand and drawing their stand in the line, as nice as you want to think of these daca kids, and from what i understand, theres 3. 5 million of them, theres not 800,000 of them. A story came out in usa today. Regardless, theyre not all alter boys and soon to be nuns and p. H. D. s and whatever. Just like with any group, there are bad ones within that group as well. So the democrats make their stand on a budget showdown over illegal aliens, for all practical purposes, yeah, ok, well concede the point they were dragged here as kids but who are they dragged here by, not by President Trump and the republicans, they were dragged here by their parents from a friendly nation that just might not have the same types of Economic Opportunities that we in the United States have. So i think they jumped the shark here and exposed themselves to the American People. And its not good. Host when you said the edge went to the republicans, what did they do right in this situation . Caller i think they would have caved like they normally do because theyre so afraid of the media and so afraid of consistently being painted as racist because thats the card the left always plays. Trump dont care, ok. Hes already been painted as verything from hitler to the anti come on. He just doesnt care. He drew his line in the sand and he said throw whatever you got at me and ill let and thats what he told mcconnell. And so finally the democrats finally ran into somebody that wasnt george bush or wasnt you know, that wasnt a moderate republican. You know, you can call trump whatever you want to, hes probably he has no ideology and in this sense, you know, he ran on securing the borders. And one last thing if i just might. All these claims, and i dont know if theyre true or not because i dont trust the polls anymore that 70 plus of americans support not sending the daca dreamer kids home. All right. I dont think anyone wants to send them home but theres another part of that equation. There has to be accountability and going back to 1986 with the simpleonmizoli act with ronald reagan, the democrats have been promising for decades to deliver and cooperate on Border Security whether its host we have to leave it there to get another call in. Well go to anthony in arlington, texas, independent line. Caller good morning. I just wanted to say that i would give a slight edge to the democrats who i dont really agree with on everything but i respect the fact that they held their ground in order to get a vote on immigration, on the daca population by the 8th and they got a commitment, which is something they would not have gotten based on their past experience with dealing with republicans and the majority in the house and the leader of the senate, theyve got nothing but disrespect. They havent been involved in the process at all. They wanted to do the budget. They wanted to do chip and chip ended up being used as a bargaining chip. I would give a slide edge to them because they got that commitment. Now, when you have people say that democrats dont have or republicans have the power in all three branches of government, that is true. And the reason why its true is because they have more votes, obviously, in the senate and that requires them to compromise with democrats. They refuse to do that. They were forced to do that this time. So thats why i give the edge to democrats. What i would like to see is really one house be or one branch of government being democrat and one branch being republican and President Trump is saying, and i dont agree with him on a lot of things and like what he does on some things. So thats just my thoughts on it, pedro. Have a good day. Host anthony in arlington, texas, giving us his thoughts on winners and losers on the Government Shutdown. Other people on twitter and on the phones this morning. 2027488000 for democrats and 2027488001 for republicans for 02748802 independents. And a quote of the majority whip, Steve Scalise back from surgery following last year when he was part of that assassination attempt in northern virginia, it says that scalise told us that the house doesnt at all feel at all bound by Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnells agreement with Senate Democrats to consider immigration legislation by march 8. March is really the time line. The house wasnt part of that deal. We asked scalise if Graham Durbin stands a chance and he said, quote, not in the house and he said its good for everybody to put their ideas on paper but ultimately are things that can or cannot pass in the house and we have to work through those details and were working through them and it would excite our base if they got a big immigration bill but blunty said we wont pass a bill with amnesty and it would age you are our base and dont see it passing in the house. Janice from brooklyn, new york, next, democrats line. Caller i believe it was the taxpayers who are going to be the losers because come the 8th well be doing this all over again. And him the daca, theres 600,000 registered, yes, theres three million but were talking about 600,000 who still has to pass some type of test to stay in this country. So why not vote on that . Why do very have to go through this all over again. And when you say immigration bill what the president wants is his wall built and to get that built the taxpayers have to pay for it. He just lost a couple weeks ago with the coal to try to get the taxpayers to pay for the coal, so why should the taxpayers have to pay for the wall. He said mexico was going to get it. The wall should not be part of the immigration bill. Were going to lose again come february 8 and if he wanted to he could have paid for the military. He can say whats an essential service. The military should be paid. Were going to lose because were going to come to this again and next time the democrats need to hold firm because the taxpayers will be the ones to lose. Host frank is in myrtle beach, south carolina, republican line. Youre next. Good morning. Caller s yes, actually, the caller is right, all americans lost. Theres no appropriations for the defense. We cannot run a Defense Budget on a monthtomonth budget. We do need the wall because theres a country called mexico thats being run by the drug cartels, the Central Americans are coming straight up through mexico and the mexicans are doing nothing about it. Weve got isis and the taliban regrouping in iran, afinogenov and pakistan. Hair is lack tar coming to the drug cartels and theyre coming across the border and mean business. Theyre going to create sales and theyre going to create fighters and we need the wall. Host lets go to william in ohio. Democrats line. Caller yes, i say the american taxpayers are going to be the losers again. They claim theres more people going back than coming in so whats the big corporations going to do when they cant find anybody to work . They are just going to move their factories to mexico. But we got all of our concerns on mexico, why arent we concentrating some on russia . Why dont we check into some of trump powers trump towers and everything and see how many of the residents are from russia there that is pregnant that comes in the United States to russian babies born in here so hes a u. S. Citizen. That all ties into trump, sessions, miller, bannon, you name it. Host thats william in ohio. This is b. C. Venice off twitter saying the g. O. P. Won a one way ticket to the unemployment line. The democrats win unless mcconnell lied. Parenthesis, mcconnell lied . Unheard of adding taxpayers are losers if the wall is built. Obert geffin said they choked. , schumer choked. Well hear from joe on the democrats line. Caller pedro, this is called the casino effect. I dont think anybody remembers how this country got started. Men had to kiss their wives and children goodbye and go fight against whats going on. Its been going on since world war ii. Now that theyve gotten rid of all your veterans, theyve been slowly running the country as a casino effect. The government will just come along and gobble you all up and you wont retire no more, you wont be disabled no more. Host and joe, specifically how does it apply to the shutdown . Caller the whole country is run that way. Trump tried to warn you about it. He said the countrys rigged and he said as long as yall let me be president , then can you keep on rigging. So they rigged the whole country. Youll slowly now as you get to retirement age, if you try to get your retirement or anything, theyll just slowly tax you out. Host lets hear from laura from pittsburgh, pennsylvania. Hi there. Caller hi. I think by the time it gets to midterms nobody will really remember this and dont think it will have that big of an effect on anything. I think Chuck Schumer choked like somebody else said or maybe he showed he was willing to shut down the government over a certain number of issues, immigration included, and im interested to see what hell do in the future if nothing happens to it because he has the option to do it again. But like i said, i dont think this is really going to affect that much at all. And by the time it gets to october and november, nobody is going to remember this. Its only been a threeday shutdown. Host so this is from Huffington Post this morning about how dreamers are feeling or as a group because of the efforts of the last couple days, out of washington, this is the reports that says that young undocumented immigrants watched on monday as Senate Democrats told many of them they wouldnt, cast votes without securing protections for dreamers at the risk of deportation. Dreamer activists felt betrayed and Christina Reeves cried as she watched the first vote to end the Government Shutdown. I really had hopes and expectations the democrats would hold the line for us, that they would hold their vote and she read with the executive director of the dream coalition and mother of three said afterwards we would send a message that this is urgent. For months undocumented immigrants have urged democrats to oppose funding bills unless they did something to help dreamers of which 700,000 will lose relief because President Trump ended the deferred arrivals program. In maryland, virginia, talking about socalled winners and losers of the Government Shutdown. Go ahead. Caller im very disappointed in the democrats. They absolutely refuse to work with the president. Duly elected, i might add. He would look for a way to fix this dreamers business, deferred whatever. But if i ever vote for another democrat, somebody needs to hoot me. Host lets go to maryland on the independent line. Caller good morning. Heres my issue, i think both the democrats and the republicans are the big loss here but i want to tell you that its a bigger loss for the republicans. Why . Because they keep calling this daca illegal. But guess what . This illegals are serving in the u. S. Army hired by the federal government, protecting all. So for schumer to choke in this is a problem for me. I think he should have stand his ground to make sure that what they needed was i think in the Midterm Election all of them should be voted out. If im hired and not doing the job im hired to do, i will be fired. So this guy is not doing the job theyre hired to do, they should all be fired. Host edward in maryland. He mentioned the minority leader Chuck Schumer, he went to the senate floor after the vote on yesterday to talk about what happened and what comes next. Here is Chuck Schumer. [video] its a shame, mr. President , that the American People and the senate have had to endure such hand wringing, finger pointing, stride enzi to secure guarantee that we will finally move to address this certain issue. It is something the majority could have avoided entirely and a concern the president could have obvious veryated if he were only have obviated if he were only willing to take yes for an answer. It wont staff either on both sides but its a way forward. I am confident we can get the 60 votes in the senate for a bill and now theres a pathway to get the bill on the floor and to the senate. It is a good solution and i will vote for it. Im incredibly grateful to the bipartisanship group that has come together in recent days to renew the immigration debate with the sense of urgency. There you are. I believe that this group has the potential to return the senate to the kind of place it should be on the issue of immigration. A place for bipartisanship, a place for action. A place for achievement. The bipartisanship group in a very fine way filled the glaring absence of the president in these talks. Host a story in the Washington Post this morning takes a look at the legislation that was passed and talks about more tax cuts as part of that. Margo sangerkatz and Jim Tankersley writes congress isnt done cutting taxes after passing an overall last year. The deal struck by democrats and republicans to end a brief Government Shutdown contains 31 billion in tax cuts including a temporary delay in implementing three Health Care Related taxes. Those delay which is include varying degrees of bipartisanship support are not offset by tax increases and will add to the federal budget deficit projected to increase rapidly as last years mammoth tax law takes effect. Later on in the story both authors add this saying the Health Care Taxes were all created as part of the Affordable Care act where they were designed to offset the cost of expanding Insurance Coverage to low and middle income tax americans. Many of them with a tax on medical devices have remained unpopular and their implementation has been suspended or postponed before and those delays have been preferable to lawmakers and eliminating the taxes entirely and given a total repeal would have estimated a 310 billion over the federal budget deficits over the next decade. Nancy next from lake county, florida, democrats line. Caller thank for you taking my call. I agree with the last caller and thats exactly what i was going to say. I believe both are in the wrong. But these daca representatives protect our constitution because they are in the army. Anyone to say theyre not american in any accepts of the word, i totally disagree. How are they not legal and serving in the army . When push comes to shove, now they need us, were turning our backs on them. That is mindblowing. But i believe theyre both in the wrong. Trump reneged on daca. He overturned daca. They had a deal and he reneged twice. This man is not consistent. While the only thing he is consistent is that, that hes not consistent. And then i believe that its the demo let us down because they gave in to bullying. They gave in to bullying. So im disappointed. Im really independent but i have to be democrat because in some cases im not able to vote , so thats why i registered as a democrat. But i vote for whoever is the right representative. Thank you. Host the New York Times also has a story by Jonathan Martin and Alexander Burns this morning, the headline reads angered by shutdown retreat, liberals threaten to mount primaries and they blinked because they always put the success of the party first, luis gutierrez, one of the leading advocates for immigrants explaining the spanish got short shrift and the one word in spanish they know, manana. The hasty retreat particularly after the march to protest against trump. Liberal groups such as moveon. Org asked them to sign up to rally against republicans to protect dreamers. By noon their owns allies in congress had buckled. Quote, the grassroots are rightly furious with the slew of democrats. Ben wikler of moveon. Org in the obama years republicans learned to be more afraid in challenges and the tea party is more powerful than the resistance. Lets go to mark in seattle, washington. Independent line. Caller good morning. Thank for you taking my call. To the question regarding who won or lost, i would say republicans lost credibility because theyre in power in the house and the presidency and the senate and this happened on trumps First Anniversary of his inauguration. I would call it a trumpdown. The trump shutdown is too long, trumpdown, the art of the fail. Trump rescinded daca and the republicans failed on passing chip. My question is i dont quite understand the procedure, who attached chip and daca to this continuing resolution . And i dont know if you might have an answer. And then another thing that was really outstanding was the democrats continuously rejected on their proposal with the phrase absent appropriate clearance. So over and over again, they extend the sal to c. R. For more debate and absent appropriate clearance. But i think the republicans were the losers in this shutdown. Host from pennsylvania, robert is next. On our republican line. Hello. Caller good morning. Thank for you taking my call. You have me a bit confused because we have a republican president and we have the republicans in total control of the house. They do not control the senate because if they did, there never would have been a Government Shutdown. They have to have so Many Democrats votes to get anything assed in the senate. Host robert giving us his thoughts on socalled winners and losers on the Government Shutdown. It some people saying the American People and some tailoring the American Party and you can add your thoughts, 2027488000 for democrats and 2027488001 for republicans and independents, 2027488002. Kim on twitter, democrats stood up against trump and democrats got chip and got an extension and well have daca vote blue she adds. Mark stone said what did the democrats get not offered to them on friday . Nothing, he adds. Twitter is available at cspanwj. We heard from the minority leader yesterday, here is the majority leader, mitch mcconnell, talking about the shutdown and what democrats and republicans gained from it. [video] soon federal operations will be getting back to normal for the American People. We all know what comes next, challenging negotiations on a host of serious issues. The weeks ahead will require the best for all of us. I hope we can remember some lessons from this regrettable incident. Brinksmanship and hostage taking do not work and make bipartisanship progress harder, not easier to achieve. Senators must focus on the common good of the American People, not the warped priorities, the warped priorities of extreme voices, no matter how loudly they shout at us to do otherwise. With the pointless damaging partisan theatrics of this Government Shutdown behind us, serious and bipartisanship negotiations can resume. Weve been talking for months about how to address military spending, disaster relief, health care, immigration and Border Security and the rest of congresss unfinished business. Now those talks can get going again whether they bear fruit is up to all of us. Host the Washington Times looks this morning at the various lawmakers who could be part of these immigration discussions over the next few weeks. Deceive dianan writing a number of negotiating teams have emerged in the recent months. Jim lankford and senator thom tillis have written a bill dealing with dreamers and john cornyn of texas introduced a border proposal and david purdue of georgia have called for change to migration and all of them republicans. Senators Lindsey Graham and richard durbin, a illinois democrat have led the gang of six working on a broader legislation. In the house Judiciary Committee chairman Bob Goodlatte has a major enforcement bill and a bipartisanship team of will herd, texas republican and peting a you lear, california democrat written have bill coupling border policy tweaks and with illegalization. Senator Chuck Schumer, democrats floor leader and mr. Cotton and goodlatte were focused on enforcement and would poison the chances for a bill the democrats can join, quote, theres no deal those two could forge that could earn the majority in the house or senate if senators cotton and representative goodlatte have who have opposed daca all along and basically been strong antiimmigration have veto power over an agreement, everyone know there is wont be an grept. Here is greg, indianapolis, indiana, democrats line. Caller yes, im going to tell you both of them are losers and this is why. Trump should never have been in the office in the first place, but hillary children didnt do the right thing. She should have called him an idiot when he said hes going to build a big, beautiful wall. These measures are bigging big, beautiful tunnels and they up they got buildings underground, by the time he get his wall built, they have beautiful tunnels up underneath. So both of them are losers. Host gene from michigan, republican line. Caller hello . Host hi, youre on. Caller i was going to say the democrats lost because they have prioritized the russian conspiracy over the daca legislation they should have been working on all this time. And dont forgetburg the campaign of our lawfullyly elected president , lets burn the flag and we dont wear whether your stinking laws. So President Trump would allow them to stay but does request the wall, whether or not there would be no welfare for five users, no chain migration and no lottery. Id like to see mexico be part of this country but i cant afford to let them stay. Host from michigan, john, independent line. Caller two winners and one loser. Heres the point im trying to make. On Inauguration Day i was watching cspan and watching the protesters and there was a girl trusting a mexican swatter and saying she wasnt protesting donald trump, she was protesting the fact that the government had been promising Immigration Reform forever and hadnt done anything about it and she wasnt going away. So my winners are donald trump and the daca kids and the immigrants because if it wasnt for him threatening to shut down daca which wasnt law, we wouldnt even be addressing this in congress. They have plenty of time to do this and they keep blowing it off and not doing anything about it. And my losers are after watching cspan again, its the Congressional Black Caucus. They all voted against this yesterday and they were trying to justify why they did it. My problem with that, why arent any of them asking, through no fault of their own, there are plenty of kids born in the inner city and nobody is doing anything about them. This is supposed to be the greatest country in the world, why do we have so many people in poverty and so many Homeless People . You should be taking care of the people that are here before you bring other people in. Host members of the Congressional Black Caucus appeared before cameras yesterday and if you go to cspan. Org you can find for the only their statements concerning the shutdown and hear what leadership said and other senators and House Republicans and democrats as well, the various people that have been involved in these events over the last few days, all of that available to you at cspan. Org. The opinion page of the New York Times this morning takes a look at the president s role in the last couple days. The jello president and the shutdown. They say the spotlight is where it should be on the failure of President Trump and republicans in congress to take care of the dreamers despite their recent claims they want to. Mr. Trump sent wildly contradicting measures. The dreamers deserve to be treated with heart and in september they ordered an end if they didnt complete it by march 5. And then two days later he rejected a bipartisanship deal and prior to the deadline mr. Trump reached a agreement with Chuck Schumer which would have protected streamers and increased Border Security but then he reversed course at the urging of the antiimmigrant hawks who circled the oval office and mainly chief of staff jon kelley and steven miller. The New York Times adding what does the white house want . No one seems to know and dealing with the president is like negotiating with jello said schumer. And that was a key factor precipitating the weekend shutdown. One republican strategist said mr. Trumps lack of any clear convictions combined with his ignorance of basic policy matters emboldens all parties to take positions they wont compromise. Sarah sanders, the White House Press secretary asked yesterday at the Daily Press Briefing about the president s role the last couple grace had the days in the shutdowns and why he didnt reach out to others in the senate. Heres a part of that statement from saturday. [video] reporter give you a chance to see what happened over the weekend and said negotiating with him was like jello and the great dealmaker sat on the sidelines, was it a concerted effort on the president s part not to reach out to him this weekend, was that part of the strategy . Sarah what the president did clearly worked, the vote came in 8118. I would say those numbers are much more in the president s favor than in senator schumers favor. Im not sure what changed for him and what he gained other than maybe nancy pelosi taking a bunch of republican members out to continue tore celebrate their shutdown. Im not sure what other positive things came out of this weekend for democrats. Host a report on some of the senators that voted no, harris from california, sending a statement saying Mitch Mcconnells worth on daca fell far short of the iron clad i ed to support a stopgap bill. Kristen gillibrand, i want to see the government reopen as much as anyone but must fix the moral issue and why i voted against it and includes senator warren and menendez and cortez pasto and a report from yesterday. From new york, lets go to chuck from new york. Democrats line. Hi, chuck. Go ahead. Hi. Thank you so very much to taking my call in answer to the question. I think we all lost out. Its so much above us. To some extent, the republicans have proven that they cannot legislate. I would give a slight edge if i to the democrats but thats speaking into the wind, also. I think were not in a good place even though we should remain optimistic and so im waiting to see what happens on the 8th. Host when you say you remain optimistic, you mean as far as negotiating a daca deal or in other matters of policy, what do you mean . Caller i mean all those things. I mean, the wall, i mean daca. I mean most of those things. Thats really what i mean. Host from north carolina, this is larry, independent line. Good morning. Go ahead. Caller yes, great show. O two losers, shutdown schumer and nancy pelosi who is taking her rich friends to dinner when theres 10,000 Homeless People right in San Francisco she should be feeding. The winners are going to be daca, when trump says hes going to do something, you may not like his style or him as president but when trump says hes going to do something, he gets it done. Thats how he has created the tax cuts for the middle class who desperately need those tax cuts. And bonuses and all the great jobs coming back from apple and ford motor company. And i would add mexico as losers because theyll be losing more jobs as we build the wall and stop the drugs and increase drugs in this country. Host from virginia, annandale, virginia, democrats line. Hi. Caller good more than. I love your show and the guest huh on. As far as the Government Shutdown, i think the democrats did not hold the line as much as they should have because at the end of the day they shut it down but didnt have a plan of exactly what they wanted ahead of time and should have outlined what they wanted as part of the actual bill and stayed behind it the entire time. I think they put it away way too easily and its because theyre worried about 2018 elections and worried about actually getting stuff done so they can say this is what we did against the republicans and how we opposed them which is the same thing they were doing to them before when obama was president and they would have all those votes and do things that just waste time for the sake of showing their base. I think there needs to be a change of leadership on the democratic side. If anything, you should embrace the schumer shutdown moniker and said were shutting down the government but doing it because you dont want to allow the republicans to continue to bully us around because they wanted to have a full budget resolution, they could have sily not used their majority vote on the tax cut bill but could have easily dispatched a budget and talked about partisan tax cuts later on if they wanted to. They basically used that daca bill so they can actually now force the democrats to look like they dont actually care about the program which is something theyve been pushing around for a longest time and mcconnell will take credit for it and make it seem like the democrats wanted to not pay the military. Host so daniel, you being in annandale, you a federal worker . Caller i am not but i am an immigrant that actually works for a company thats a government contractor. So ive been in the business a long time when it comes to that stuff and i just it affects people and they still get paid at the end of the day but the bigger issue is its not necessarily the shutdown itself but the fact we continue to have continuing resolutions because a twopart role, the republicans dont want to negotiate with the democrats to have something thats long term because in reality the shutdown is full of continuing resolutions because that causes issues and instead of knowing what your budget will be ahead of time and actually allowing the government to decide on which programs theyre going to purchase and what theyll keep. Host you travel an hour south of washington, d. C. Youll come to fredericksburg, virginia and they talk about how those working for the federal government could have been affected. Virginia stands to be the third most affected state when the Government Shutdown on midnight on friday according to a report released monday by the personal finance website wallet hub, the commonwealth tied with washington, d. C. And maryland for having the largest share of federal contract dollars per capita and ranks fourth for its share of federal jobs, 14th for real estate as part of its gross state product and 159 for National Park access and 25th for the percentage of children in the Childrens Health Insurance Program according to wallet hub. From ed in pleasant valley, new york, republican line. Caller how are you doing . Schumer, hes been involved in politics for years and people need to come to new york. You saw the democrats in these other states dont realize 3 4 of new york is dumping out of the state because we cant afford the taxes. They dont look back at that, theyre bringing in refugees, they brought in weve got the daca kids here. My local school taxes are out of control. I mean, to the point where people are going to leash. We cant stay in this state no more and this is schumer and our representatives of this state right up to cuomo and they dont care. Host arent you also going to be affected by the republican tax cuts because of what it does for state and local taxes . Caller yeah, but i cant blame him. Weve been paying extravagant taxes in new york state for years and nobody has done nothing to try to knock them down. Senior citizens, which i am now, i worked 40 years in new york state and i paid my dues and i have to leave my home. I have to get out of this state before i lose everything i own. Im on a pension. I get a once a month check and its ridiculous and every year taxes go up, school taxes go up. And most of the people that are in our schools are not new yorkers. Theyre daca kids and their kids because these daca kids that have been here all have kids, go to our local social Services Building and any of them here in new york state or upstate new york, theres no locals no more. Theyre people from out of the country and theyre getting money, they get cash, they come in with three or four kids with brandnew cars outside, theyre getting food stamps and everything off the backs of the taxpayers. Thats crazy. Host well go to clarence, charlotte, north carolina, independent line. Clarence, good morning. Caller good morning, how are you doing . I want to make two comments. My first one is about the shutdown. I fear its the most ridiculous thing that can happen. Democrats are willing to shut down the whole government and i mean, for everyone, shut down the government just for a daca program that didnt have nothing to vote on, nothing, nothing to vote on and would shut down this government and there are millions of people im a retired federal employee, just retired and i wonder if my check will come and how Social Security will be affected. But the whole government, a whole lot of people, our military people and retirement will be affected and all for a program that they had no bill to vote on. Its the most crazy thing in the world to me. And then a black man for the black congressman to come out and they have never been out for the black community. Ive worked in many black communities in this country. I have never seen a black congressman do nothing for no black community and for them to stand up and worry about undocumented workers, the government not doing nothing for them and theyre not concerned about no black community. The unemployment for them to come and see the suffering in their own community. Host gotcha. Jim . Mount morris, michigan, the republican line, youre the last call. Caller thank for you taking my call. In my opinion, the democrats are the losers on this and it goes back to even a year and a half ago a loser at the election and part of the platform donald trump ran on was to get these Illegal Immigrants out of here. And back to where they came from. Theyve been here illegally and i think theyre voting on all kind of stuff. But thats where its at and th hillary, up to 30 million of these people are over here. Host so you think the republicans did more right in this shutdown process than democrats . Caller i think the democrats wanted to tie in daca and the immigration thing. And it was two separate things entirely and it backfired on them, it really did. Host do you think an ultimate deal will be made by february or do you think well go through this process again . Caller i think that theyre going to make a deal. Youve got to compromise. We arent going to be able to get every single Illegal Immigrants in out of this country theyre not immigrants but illegal aliens. We wont get them all out but with the daca, they should do it on an individual basis and what theyre doing, if theyre hindrance to our society, if they are criminals, get them out of here. But if theyre a positive to our country here, then keep them, of course. But youve got to watch keeping the whole families, the 800,000, whether you keep all the families, brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles, then comes millions. Host thats jim. Last call on the iners winners and losers on the Government Shutdown. The first of many guests joining us, shes from the and corporation, jennifer calf an you a discusses a report we will have that conversation with her next, later in the program. We will talk about National Parks and what happened with the Government Shutdown. 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