Million kids who have grown up in the United States. The fact that they have helped to put a face on this issue and to really bring out some of the truths about immigration and who we are talking about, them stepping out amid their lives and making their stories known has been transformative. We understand that these are doctors and lawyers. Auto mechanics and cashiers. Priests and marines. There is a whole panoply of things they do and contribute to the United States and it has been transformative. Host what do you think . By trumpsas framed aggressive campaigning on this issue when he laid out 10 Major Campaign promises and walk around with a 10 gallon hat with rhetorical heat and he said, look. We will deal with the borders and Law Enforcement and chain migration which is what he has been talking about. And talking about state and local cooperation. Banning sanctuary cities. Putting in incentives to make sure they cooperate with Law Enforcement. He has talked about closing loopholes in the immigrant visa programs. T visa, the l visa, the jv said. These things have become a bridge for students to work in the country indefinitely until a green card comes. In the end, what he is talking about is doing what the commission talked about doing it in 1979 saying, look. Our system of family chain migration doesnt make sense. Oved to a merit based system you dont get to bring in adult it is a and sisters, neverending process that causes immigration numbers to flow up words. This, midst of all democrats decided to categorize these people as dreamers in 2004 and they crafted a bill. They created something called dreamers. A sympathetic group of people who came as minors. Passes and administrative amnesty for socalled daca, suddenlyr so, and now we are told there is a crisis and we have to fix it. And the democrats say ok, we want trump to sign a bill that gives everybody amnesty that we are not willing to give trump a single thing he wants. Willhat is probably why we not see major legislation of a bipartisan nature in 2018. Host would you agree with that . Will he not see Bipartisan Legislation . Major legislation has been within our reach for a long time. It requires google to stop playing politics with issues and get of the heart of what it is were trying to accomplish with Immigration Reform. The goal is to create an immigration system that is good for america. Good for American Workers and families and is this. That is the objective in Immigration Reform. There are a lot of difficult things to deal with. Enforcement issues and the fact that we have ignored this issue for a long time and we have a lot of undocumented immigrants that are in the country now who status have to be addressed. There is a lot tied up in a but it is within our reach. Ofhink the ands dark view what needs to be included in the bill are belied by what is happening. The truth is that trump has dramatically increased immigration enforcement. Who is it that he is not able to enforce this against . Argument for more enforcement laws or language . He has no trouble rounding up and removing people in the United States. So lets set aside those kinds of political issues and focus on the fact that 122 of these kids are losing status every day. And they do deserve an to be illegal in the only country they have ever known. Explain what your group as . We are 50,000 Immigration Lawyers from around the country representing businesses and families and individuals, trying to help them navigate this competition system. And the federation for Immigration Reform . Guest we have almost 2 million Members Around the country at this point. We work to prevent the overcrowding of americaguest wy aforcing borders and setting numerical cap on immigration and making sure immigration helps america and doesnt just serve the needs of foreign governments or immigrants themselves. Joining us until 9 30 this morning, taking your, and questions. Immigration reform in this country. Immigrants can call at 202 7488000 democrats can call at 202 7488000. Republicans can call at 202 7488001. Independent callers, 202 7488002. What would a cap be . Aest weirdly talked about settlement that was easy to accomplish in the 1970s but the notion of chain migration is the core of the problem. In 1965 when the Current System was put in place, everybody involved in the drafting of that bill will so you there was a lot of naivete about the nature of from poorer countries and less wealthy countries and what did it mean to give priority based on a nepotistic system of chain migration. It is basically, do you have a family relationship . You get in line and you establish limits and that establishes waiting list. There are two major reasons why we have ilLegal Immigration. One is the enforcement of the law. The second is family preference. Meaning people who are waiting for seven years, many of them are incentivized come in on a tourist visa and they never leave. Proper reform means going at all of the root causes of immigration chaos. Democrats want immigration anarchy. They dont come to the table to talk to donald trump about anything donald trump wants to get done. That do you have a number guest it would be nice to get it down. If you have immigration skews criteria that the demand declines and you can drink the numbers down. Host what would that change mean . Today there are about one million Illegal Immigrants that come into the country each year . That is correct. It would require a shift and it would be a significant hit to the economy. Families and making these judgments about who you include in your family and you dont . That julie are as a country. We do have preferences. The first preference we have for employmentbased is workers of extraordinary ability. The second is professionals holding advanced degrees. A system thathave prioritizes people who are highly skilled and educated, bringing unique talents to the United States. The family category, the first thing we do is allow citizens to bring spouses and minor children. After that, you have a really long waitingcitizens list. Up first from tampa bay, the line for independent callers. On withim glad to get the program this morning, thank you for cspan. Answer, mr. Johnson, a couple of concerns i have with the Immigration Judges that belong to your organization . I heard a cspan informational saying judges of along to your immigration to your foundation and they sit here having to do do with different states . And i am glad to get on with mr. Stein. I am in florida. And it is always considered not a border state but i have to tell you, it is a border state. And i am a little nervous that assimilation is a big issue in our state. And in other states. So when things are going to start moving forward for the daca program and the judge is deciding who will stay and who will not stay . Based on their particular political lean, can you address that . Host we will take that up. We have great relations with Immigration Judges but they are not a member of the foundation. They are attorneys who do not work for the government. We work in private practice. But we do have a lot of respect and in common with the Immigration Judges. And we firmly believe they play an Important Role in the system. The immigration decisions happen outside of the courtroom instead of inside the courtroom when a judge can look at the facts and make determinations about whether this person deserves a removal or what the outcome of the case should be. Too often, decisions are made by Police Officers who made the arrests. And that is not the system of justice that we have in this country. Andmmigration and judges lawyers play in the system. Guest there is a profound sense that immigration has gotten way too high. Because of chain migration and previous amnesties. 2 millione amnesty to daca under the system could produce another 5 million visas. Own this is unmanageable. It also means we have a mismatch between the labor market. We are at a postindustrial informational system society. We have the economy competing worldwide. With massive immigration since American Workers have taking it on the chin and it is an hourglass economy when you have the wealthy at the top and a disappearing middle class because of the in looks of low skill, lowwage immigrant labor. Disagree but it is important to tell the truth. The idea that one immigrant brings millions of other immigrants . Youre right, immigrants come with children and spouses lets be honest with each other and with the public about how and it takes for a brother sister, as remote as you can get in the immigration system, it he for aplus years u. S. Citizen and it is only a u. S. Citizen that can bring a brother or a sister it takes 20 plus years. All of the waiting lists right now. 1997 is the backlog. Only people who applied before 1997. Prioritizing spouses and siblings makes sense. That is what the system does. And your point about the American Worker getting it from all sides, i agree with that. There is no question that the economy has been a real challenge for a lot of americans. But is the only answer you are able to offer an american a scapegoat and an excuse then you dont understand the nature of what theyre facing. Piece of legislation being discussed right now is the dreamers act. How many individuals will be impacted if the dreamers act was made into law . Is 800,000daca group with low vetting. They are not all valedictorians. Many of them are in their 30s now. We get a rosy colored view. The Lindsey Graham version of the dream act. You are talking about maybe 2 and it could be 26 billion. Why is that . Low skilled. Host do you agree with those numbers . Guest no. At one milliony kids that we are talking about here. And they have been incredible can to the United States since the moment they got here. And it is being cooked up by dick durbin . Hatch, when the first bipartisan proposals we have seen on immigration and it has been around its 2000 when you had bipartisan efforts. If that was cooked up than they out to cook up more of these ideas. Host larry, a republican, go ahead. Guest caller pitcher true amount of illegals is about 30 million. I have three coworkers. Two from ecuador and one from cuba. They became citizens and they learned english. Take up thatto number. 30 million Illegal Immigrants in the United States, is that accurate . Guest there is no censusbased estimate. Bottom line is, nobody knows. Because it is illegal. Although the democrats seem to know where they all are and want to get them into the voting booth. Host i just want to know if we numbers . On the basic isst i would agree that it between 9,000,00012,000,000 in the United States. Is that theoint respect for law and the cornerstone for citizenship, lanes of people are breaking the law and jumping the line and they want an advantage because they broke the law. Richard on the line for republicans. Thank you for joining the conversation. Caller i am 70 years old. There was a likable factory and 1000 people lost their jobs. Nobody say oh, those poor people, what are we going to do for them . It is the illegals. Drugs to the nation and bombs to the cities. Now we cannot have an outside activity without having cameras on the roof. Immigrants in the United States are not bringing in drugs or terrorism. They are here to make up better life for themselves. But i understand the pain you are talking about. There have been many places in the United States that have suffered through changes in our economy. And there havent been enough politicians paying attention to the needs and concerns of the communities. Before, the answer isnt to make villains and scapegoats out of other people. Focus on, whato does it take to rebuild communities. Places,some of those immigration is a big way to rebuild communities. There are places where bringing immigrants and helps to create jobs. It doesnt mean that every community is the exact same. But you need to demand of your leaders that they respond to your problem not with excuses but with real solutions. The president has talked about ending chain migration. Of the raysortive act . Guest no. We can talk about how we can improve the system because it does need improvement and its ignored it has been for many years. But the truth is that we want and need high skills emigration coming into the United States because we have needs of the highend of the skill spectrum. We also have American Workers who are getting out of there less skilled jobs trying to move into high skill jobs so you have gaps of the other end as well. Nimbled a system that is enough to respond to the needs of our economy and respond to apps in the workforce and create a system where you have people who are following the rules. When a system is broken, it it becomes difficult for anybody to follow the rules. He represents people who make a living bringing immigration bringing immigrants in. Is what matters. We represent millions of americans who think the border should be patrolled and immigrants shouldnt come in and take american jobs. The numbers shouldnt get so high that it is unmanageable. Donald trump has articulated a sound basis for reform the sound basis just debit overall. This is a decision about how many people come in and do they are going to be. Host a Quick Response . Member of my a organization so it cant be bad. Our goal is to have Immigration Laws that are predictable and that can match up our needs as families and businesses with the immigration system. We dont have now. Yes, i have a question for the man who is for the meritbased system. If there is a man who comes and wants to bring his wife, will you deny her . Thank you for this question. , you qualifydoctor for a primary beneficiary and you can bring your uneducated spouse. You can bring uneducated, unmarried children but you are law or dad orork aunts or uncles are cousins. It stops with the family you get married and you have children, that is the family that is the family you created. But the family that created you goes back. Need to move towards Nuclear Family immigration and stop with the extended family when we simply cant deliver. Host michelle is a democrat, good morning. Good morning. You are doing a fantastic job termng next to a man who i in my view as a racist. We hire illegal, as well as legal immigrants. Would democrats, we never hire sheet wearing, hillbilly how do you hire illegal business . For your caller i hire them because i want to, there is no such thing as illegal. The case, why dont you white folks go back ost got your point, michelle, unless you want to respond to michelle . This is not aint, time for name calling, we need to be solving problems. Guest there was a book written fable of the fees, and manville made an important point about labor exploitation he key about labor exploitation, if you can get to people early enough, you can to work under or endentured dont expect ants to get raises, dont expect a career path, they dont expect tyranny for people to justify on economic grounds, gnoring immorality of hiring people illegally knowing desperation factor makes the position between employer and employee unfair. Ost go to a border state, jerry is in chandler, arizona, a republican, go ahead. Caller yes, good morning. First of all, living here, i know a lot of people who are and he will nonsense about the fact daca kids dont speak english and where they come from, is nonsense, they all speak go back nd they also and forth to visit their family all of the time. Secondary to that, like to know, my question is what percentage of daca kids, knowing they are citizens, what percentage applied for citizenship . Anchor babies eliminated, if you know the history about that, do with someone coming to this country for three years and dropping their nonsense. Ere, host got your point mrchlt johnson . Guest thanks, jerry, im from arizona, i understand the border communities. Daca these daca kids cant apply for citizenship, you become a legal permanent resident and stay a resident and out of trouble for five years and then youre able to apply for citizenship. Here isnt a pathway available to them to become citizens and the goal of Immigration Reform get them on a pathway to become citizens of the only other country they have known, right . They have been here contributing in ignificant ways and i think its the right thing to do to give them a path forward. Terms of anchor babies, lets be truthful here. To the t just come United States and have a baby and get a legal status, that is it works. Y again, only a u. S. Citizen can apply for their parents and wait are at least 21. So eventually a child becomes 21 for parents, but if parents are here illegally, no for their m to apply parents, the notion of anchor political t simply rhetoric that is not grounded in anything in the law. Host would you change the birth right citizenship . Guest that is probably one thing missing from the debate, statutory that would clarify interpretation of the amendment mother here illegally does not bestow citizenship, the citizenship idered of the mothers home. On the question of daca that is what you want . Guest absolutely. Got is major incentive, i three u. S. Citizen kids, you cant deport me . Youre separating families. Whole problem of reform. Guest we do it everyday, deport people. Guest you wouldnt i will not go there, the daca people. Group. About the daca one is they are all citizens, not of the United States, but itizens of other countries, where they can go back, prosper, what have you. Secondly, they didnt vote for president , legally in the last election. Why should this group of people e at the top of the congressional agenda as major priority. Savvy guy, im sitting down talking to democrats, give me what i want, funding, interior enforcement, end of chain merit system. E to people, the last election, why are we leading with question for amnesty for pretty offensive. Guest we have been dealing with Immigration Reform for 20 years, it is time to be at the top of the list. Kicking the can down the road, the harder it gets. Line kids are not first in in any inappropriate way. They have been waiting like we been waiting host 25 minutes left in our road in this segment. Eddie in the bronx, line for democrats. Eddie, go ahead. Caller yes, want to ask a question. Do you think the cuba act now is coming to an end under the Trump Administration . In , if immigration today the 21st century hurting black americans . About that. Think host cuba act. Long overdue to repeal that, cuba nationals should be treated on same basis as every other national all over world and weve been calling for that for a long time. Has epublican Party Allegiance to the cubans in florida. Democrats used to support repeal, lately they dont seem to care what happens. Was e old days there consensus, cold war relic and needed to be repealed. Will donald trump do that . He seems to be from the tweet this morning or yesterday about aca, trying to match the democrats at their own game, you know, democrats arent deliver you are tuff, if hispanicamerican voter, trump voters. Among hispanic second thing host immigration hurting black americans . Guest low skill immigration, middle skill immigration, being rought into the country, ilLegal Immigration, has hurt African Americans and hurt all americans who have the least basically defend themselves, depending on education, skills, composition. End, its been a massive betrayal to the promise of the same Rights Movement many architects of the civil Rights Movement put in laws that are hurt the le and American Worker across the board. Host mr. Johnson. Guest goal of Immigration Reform should be to end undocumented immigration, as we know it. Everybody should be on board that, that is the goal. Having undocumented immigrants in the United States is not good for anybody, not good for us or them f. There are employers out immigration system to further exploitation to choose immigrants over qualified workers, those employers should be punished. Set up to system is make sure immigration is used to ill legitimate gaps in the labor force. I believe in enforcement, make sure employers are playing by rules and they are preferring u. S. Workers over mMigrant Workers, but where we have legitimate needs for imMigrant Workers, then we should allow our immigration fill those gaps. It is what weve been doing for served us ars, its well. It is time to update the immigration system to make it fit for our economy of today. Did you answer the callers question about whether the immigration system is hurting African Americans in country . Guest the immigration system is not hurting African Americans in the country today. Evidence shows immigrants bring opportunities and jobs to the live. Ities where they that doesnt mean there arent unique challenges to african mericans in our economy, but the challenges arent addressed through immigration system. Again, if there is exploitation happening, preference of one worker or immigrant worker over u. S. Worker that exploitation violation of Immigration Law ought to stop. Johnson, american Immigration Lawyers association, if. Org, on the internet, you want to find them. Stein, american Immigration Lawyers association, it is fair u. S. Org. 20ing your call for the next minutes. Roanoke, virginia. Go ahead. Yes, a lots of verbiage, get back to calling this, we can pictures, mr. Stein eluded to earlier, daca and all tis illegal, ilLegal Immigration and i just mr. Johnson, a being a lawyer. How do you feel when our to take ns, who swore an oath, and uphold the want toion and its laws ake their city and the state a sanctuary state and how do you think that affects lawabiding got ens when you politicians picking and choosing what laws they are choosing to follow . Guest well, sanctuary cities, these bit of a misnomer days. There is no city out there in sort of circling the wagons immigrants and protecting from deportation. What is happening in lots of around the country, Law Enforcement officers are making determination best use of money and resources is to focus on the laws they have enforce. The local criminal laws, the calls, protecting and serves communities. They have made the way to ation, the best do that is for them to do their job and for the federal theiration officers to do job. They have nothing against those federal immigration officers, but theyre not prepared to take their time and their money to do the job of the federal than they any more would do the job of the i. R. S. , stopping workers or stopping drivers and finding out, did you file your taxes or not, or laws or ommunications osha laws, i mean, where does that end . Federal t the government needs to do its job and state and local law nforcement need to do their job. Host the last point . Guest hard to understand lack of compassion for American Workers in the face of massive lawlessness thats happened across the board. Believe in this country because they believe it works and respect for law is important component of it. People who in in illegally, without skills and education we impacting directly American Worker necessary ways, if you look back at history sanctuary cities. Guest we have Democratic Party, defiance of enforcement in the interior. Blind or ostrich to not see what is going on when law. Brown signs this as well. , one reason they wont come to the table and negotiate with the Rump Administration or frontbencher necessary congress, actually cut a deal with the Trump Administration. Have basically said immigrants vote heavily emocrat, we dont care if they come legally or illegally. They are not going home if we with it. Hing to do guest fine nuance about federal hostile to re federal immigration enforce nment their communities. Signs that utting up say federal enforcement authorities, get out of our city, we want you to pay for the immigrant labor, but not help law. Ce the host we need to get to more calls. Democrats. For go ahead. Caller good morning. Im illegal immigrant, i work in nursing home. Come to nursing home to see how we come here how is note elderly and that a lot of money. Tell me, nobody, i dont think let a family to member of yours come and do the the amount oing for we get. O we dont come here just to take american jobs, we come here contribute, i come from haiti, to work, and help what we do is hard, hard, hard, hard job. Nursing home, gaining patients, helping them their daily lives everyday. Ost thanks for sharing your story. Guest i want to commend you for working hard and willing to do unsavory job. The problem is if immigration were lower, undesirable, as they them, domestic jobs that dont compete in the export pay more. Ey would the history of american labor, century, was 0th controlling immigration in 192124 and enabling bargaining for American Workers to increase, so they didnt have to work under the kinds of describing. Ou are percent of americans who are declined, has americans have been marginalized out of the labor source in record numbers. Numbers are higher, americans have quit looking for to compete t want with you in the same kind of jobs you are allowing employers pay. Immigration is about winners and losers, people at the top make low wages imMigrant Workers work for. People in the middle are getting clobbered, net result, we have no middle class. Host tom in brockton, assachusetts, line for republicans. Caller hey, guys. Live in a city that probably is least onethird immigrants. Ostly first generation, a lot of hatians and cape verdians. People, i have no issue with them. What i do have an issue with is system is broken and you know why it is broken, gentlemen . Host tell us, tom. Caller we have too many illegals in the country, what is not to understand . We had a policy last 30 years, eally started with jimmy carter, where you, you know what, come in the country to gally, were not going enforce Immigration Laws, okay. So no, im sorry, i support this president , i belong to a labor union for 35 years. For democratic president , but this guy was ears. To my host mr. Johnson . Problem agree we have a with undocumented immigration, we have too much undocumented immigration. Unitedtion coming to the states should be legal. The problem is that we have an immigration system that has the sand in d in terms of the economic and Labor Force Realities of today. Truth is that we do have a lot of jobs growing in the high spectrum and lls have a lot of gaps at the low end of the skills spectrum in labor market. That is not an insult to u. S. Workers. Of workers are moving out those jobs, unskilled labor like housekeeping and taking care of elderly, because theyre Getting Better educated and themselves. Er the problem is that our immigration system has no way immigrants to come into the United States to do that work, there is no temporary visa for somebody to take care of the elderly, this is only 5000 green cards permanent visas available for of theorkers, across all country, across all of the job pectrums, so when you have an economy that says help wanted, border, p out, at the you will have an economy at war with the immigration system and everyunately economy wins time. Ost mr. You have jason in montgome montgomery, alabama. Gentlemen,d morning, house bill was supposed to crack down on ilLegal Immigration. That, they had mass utflux of the Migrant Workers from the agricultural jobs in farmers went he nuts because they didnt have anybody to fill those jobs. So the issue is that regardless of whether or not you agree with are rs being here, we dependent on them. You cannot all of a sudden all these people and expect no difference. One farmer in alabama said, if to get rid of Illegal Immigrants, stop eating, all the fruits and vegetables you see in store are a product of their work. The reason why we cant get jobs, they do the get paid by how much work they do. Eople were not applying to do the jobs. T wasnt like, oh, were mass people saying, we will fill in do gaps, no, they did not that. First point. Second point is that the reason is because here theres jobs. Instead of focusing on them, we talk to the employers to make sure they are doing what they are supposed to, these trying to make a living, better life for their family family, they didnt go through right process, right channels, were depending on them now and theyre here. With it. O deal host mr. Stein. The American Economy is choking on mass influx of jobs created in the last eight years to foreign workers, immigrants, not nativeborn citizens. Have been wages stagnant, marginalized American Workers not in the labor force. Justifying this system of labor exploitation is what it you are n to, but saying no free American Worker will do this work, millions of people fight and die in the american civil to in defense of slavery basically pick cotton. They didnt believe free labor would pick cotton under the same working conditions. The sudden of economic privilege, when you make the argument, well, our food will cost more, well have to pay people cleaning bedpans, fundamentally immoral on exploitation, it is wrong, it needs to stop, the solution, big difference me and ben johnson, he doesnt believe numbers matter, as far as hes concerned, raise sky, the limit, bring in 25 million a year, grow to a Million People by end of the century. We need limits. Reempower American Workers, give chance to catch up, maybe the infrastructure could catch up. I get up at 4 00 to get to work the highways are choked with traffic, because immigration levels are not needs, ted to match the domestic needs of the american society. Host 10 minutes left in the oundtable discussion this morning, were talking about the future of Immigration Reform. Back to that subject, mr. Johnson, as we look ahead to 2018. Realistic 2018 look like in your eyes when it comes to immigration . Will we see 12 months from now . Guest be honest and say, i dont know. Were in a very unique political situation, here i think the game has changed completely given who is in the white house and the way is being played right now. Im not particularly hopeful about the language and rhetoric, and the scapegoating that is happening right now. I dont think it is good for the this notion ssue, immigrants are somehow responsible for traffic problems healthcare ible for problems and i mean, laying the blame at the feet of immigrants face as he problems we a country is not only wrong, its just misguided. Us the going to get answers we need to those important problems. Exploitation, i want us to have an immigration thatm that ensures workers have chose jobs get wages and salaries and Worker Protection if we ed, but even dramatically increased wages, we are still going to need labor in certain economy and our Current System doesnt allow the kind of Legal Immigration we want and need to fuel our economy. That political debate will shift to a conversation about how to build that kind of hope well move away from the angry divisive hetoric that paints decent hardworking people as something other than members of our build a es trying to better life. Guest people make money off immigration, okay. Others, they and profit from it. Political party is trying to Political Base through immigration. How do you get political compromise when you have influences that dont take enlarged view of the national need. Ou take a look at the Democratic Party right now and say, all right, are they going to sit down at the table with administration and leaders in the Republican Party and say, were willing to meet you halfway . A shred of evidence right now that host where will we be january 2019 . Basically probably see partisanie, republican package that somehow gets through and others and talks about many of the trump proposals, ending chain and n host the wall . Guest certainly wall funding in to e, yeah, they will try deliver some things he wants. Will not be easy in the senate, ut in the end emerging consensus. What trump has done is elevated the profile. Americans are beginning to immigration is out of control, beginning to understand democrats are talking anarchy, and see why nothing gets done, in the end, you have immigration, t on you cant legalize everybody and let them stay and turn around and say, we need more. Little time and a lot of callers waiting to talk to you gentlemen. Fort lets talk about that a moment. The willing people arent willing to negotiate on is wrong. N hold on, dan. In 2006, democrats and republicans came together to get a comprehensive immigration eform package and both sides gave up a lot. There was a lot of enforcement, improvements to ilLegal Immigration, that happened in gang of eight 3, bill, what was coming out of massive increase in border increases in Legal Immigration, the idea politicians cant and wont issue is flat is wrong. Host and waiting in new rleans, line for republicans, brian, go ahead. Forer mr. Stein, thank you inviting, mr. Johnson, we will resist you and you are wrong, johnson, they are undercutting the community here from the top and the bottom. Are bringing the brightest and bringing desperate workers in. Point, in, you are on thank you, we are fighting and resisting you johnson, you are a job to y, you have do, mr. Johnson. Our kids, they dont compete, they dont have to compete with the immigrants, so youre good. Fight. re going to host got your point. Go to dave in kingston, pennsylvania, line for go ahead. Ts, dave, caller yeah, i feel that any that has high unemploy sxment homelessness should have zero immigration. I think the United States right now needs 10year moratorium on immigration, also, we need to repeal the hard seller act of suspend we need to with rare exception for true warner von one like tesla. R nokoli of guest on point, i got to tell you, would you agree on moratorium . Do we have immigration . Supposed to serve the American People and national interest, optional program. Dont have to have immigration for sustained period of time to absorb and build infrastructure, Transportation System we need, improve public education, sure ly catch up and make imdpragz is compatible with the levels we wantwth environmental goals, factors immigration implicates. We cant decide because of chain migration. One on point, time out for in 1991, we said, look, the problem with oversubscribed categories, well never catch up, go back years. Or ss you take a time out breather, never reset and set anew. On, guys on right point. Smart guy. Host time out, what would 10year moratorium on immigration do . Guest would be devastating to families. My and be clear about what moratorium is. You fall in love with somebody country, you dont get to marry them or unite with them in the United States. You have somebody like elon highskilled other immigrant trying to come to the United States to innovate and the united in states, we will say no to you for no other reason than the moratorium. The truth is that immigration flows have ebbed and flowed with the economy consistently since for the last 100 years. Do have ebbs and flows that drive the immigration needs demands and that is the way the system should work. End. a lot of no in the guest the idea that we should only have immigration when there is zero unemployment ignores the fact there are certain areas of the economy and certain areas of the country you have end. Incredibly idea low, effectively zero unemployment and folks that are intorate for folks to move the communities or for people to be drivers of the economy can nd should be able to use the u. S. Immigration system to achieve results. Host beaverton, oregon, john is a democrat. Good morning. Caller good morning, mr. Johnson and mr. Stein. Points, im also roman catholic. Host did you say five points . Do one or two, john, we do not have time for five. Person have right to find opportunity in their home land, persons have right to themselves and their families and sovereign nations have the right to borders. Heir would you both agree on that . Stein, would you agree . Guest second and third point inconsistent, beyond what the pope is saying, no right to cross borders if you have the right to be in any country, that is the law of nations. Host mr. Johnson. To be i think we ought able to secure borders, have a system that allows us to legitimately can be here and who we want out. We cant put our head in the sand and pretend the problem will go away by itself . John, do you have a followup . Caller i am going to add two points, mr. Stein was talking about exploitation. Times aware of the l. A. Rticle where certain employer necessa the s in california are threatening employees with im get ice after you and recipients are school. Or going to guest im not familiar with that daca data you have there, that is not my understanding. Secondly, youre confirming my point, if employers call up workers with deportation, that is exactly my point. System of , it is a labor exploitation, why do you want to justify it economic or ground, it is wrong and should not be defended by anyone. Somerset, new jersey. Independent, go ahead. Caller hi, how is everybody today . Well. Doing caller i just wanted to speak a illegal t about how immigration and immigration as a whole has affected me. Upstate new york four years ago to come back to help with a sick sister. Have worked in healthcare, came back here, initially trying to find a job before i came real difficulty because i was not bilingual, so american citizen, american born and bred, im coming here, i have no problem who come here legally, but it affected me. I had a hard time finding a job i was not bilingual. Now, i did manage to get a job was pushed out because we coming in people predominantly spanishspeaking tople, that it was difficult maintain my job because i could not speak spanish. Ow i think there is something inherently wrong with that. Host mr. Johnson . Unfortunate is an situation, i think we need to ake sure those kinds of exploitive environments dont happen. An acts as if exploitation never existed until immigration. Its a sad reality that there there are bad actors out there willing to exploit workers and we need to end that. Way to you will not end that by pretending immigrants dont play necessary our economy and our communities. 25 of doctors in the united are foreign born, they are providing really, really aluable medical services in Rural Communities all across the country, those are the kinds of to continue. Eed guest ben is saying americans arent good enough to do any doctors or picking cantaloupes. The nature of the discrimination which is is facing, bilingualism, if you will, is a lesser roblem among skilled American Workers, maybe four years of college. We lost these jobs, manufacturing went overseas, internal mobility was hurt, lived in dayton, you couldnt relocate to miami you firefighter because werent bilingual. This hurts the job prospect for ativeborn jobs, American Workers may be descendants of a job ifenry cant get they dont speak spanish. Host chester, line for epublicans, hold on a second, want to get him in. Caller yes, mr. Stein and mr. Johnson, good morning. On nt to comment observation, i had over the summer. My neighbor just retired, he had done to his house. When i was growing up, mixed hite and black guys, this summer i watched guys in the eighborhood and every crew was hispanic and run by either black guy or white guy, but all the were immigrants. Spoke with the guys and asked were they legal or illegal, not my business, just curious, they know, they idnt didnt care. These guys did work from dawn to usk, when you say there are jobs americans wont do, those are jobs we always did. Not saying there are jobs americans wont do, im out there e are jobs where americans in certain areas of the country, certain sectors americans omy, less competing because they are thatting to be the head of crew, competing to start their own company to have their own crew of workers. Americans, insult to American Workers, they are not willing to fields and picke cotton, when they lost their good auto working job. Hey are looking for opportunities higher on the skill spectrum and they are work force. R as a this notion that mobility, that language skill has to do labor force , u. S. Cant move around in search of at , they now own homes higher rates than before. They have a mortgage in ohio, moving vents them from to rural to pursue another job. Mobility are labor real challenges and what we need is real answers to bring jobs to e host the last 30 seconds. Guest this is what donald trump and why trump on is correct, these elites, you look upscale elites who down on bluecollar workers and ee decimation of American Workers out of industry after industry after industry and take this condescending attitude, they are taking professional detached, studied heir of reality. Theld trump is president of United States and fair is going to support Donald Trumps 2018. Lative agenda in host we have to end it there. Immigration with reform, fairu. S. Org. Ben eastern. Washington journal laura meckler, lets start with where republicans are on this subject