Good morning. Guest well, i think we are fairly safe. Its difficult to know exactly how to measure that but the reality is weve not had a mar 9 11 style attack in the United States. We are able to deter folksrom doing that through the securities we have, the overseas partnershs that ovide intelligencfor us. We do have home grown violent extremists here and we have 100 people 100 people investig so theres not zero threat but we are managing. So the policy you spo about pvious, specifically what has worked . Guest well, certainly pushing security outward tour partners and improving the detection of people trying to come into the United States, cking up information on bomb plots by plots by al qaeda and the air ban pen ins la. Detection atome. Protection. Border detecting individuals protectio. Detecting individuals who have come iany number of ways. So those are the number of policies put protection. Detecting individuals who have come in any number of ways. So those are the number of policies put in place, strength nd and they are working. Cmission the 9 11 was formed one of the things they spoke about was this idea of stove piping of infmation. Is that information sharing Getting Better among t the comm was formed one of the things they spo about was this idea of stove piping of information. Is that information sharing Getting Better among t the departments here in the u. S. . Guest without a doubt. Information sharing has improved greatly. You do he more than 250,000 employees at d. H. S. Yohave tens of thousands of others across the Law Enforcement and intelligence communities relevant to Homeland Security but also our security overseas. It is never perfect. Here are cultural differences, budgets. But we do have a patriots working inside our government anoutside our government and in Law Enforcement budgets. But we do have a culture of sharing. With do have a lot of ople dedicated who are at the local Regional State triba level that are working together. Again nothing perfect but we all understand the nure of the threat. Host Thomas Sanderson, our guest, here to talk about the security of the u. S. Homeland urity. Whats going on in europe, particularly when it comes to the threat there . What should the United States be mt concerned about . Guest we should be concerned about individuals in the United States copng what theyve seen in europe, berlin, barcelona, london, multiiple lo cages. Vehicle ramming. The late spokesman of isis, if you cant attack, if you cant to syria and iraq, attack with your foot, with a knife, a punch, a kick, a vehicle. So weve seen the art of the possible inside of europe. Israel, for example, ere to syr individual with a car can ram people. Youre never going to know until the last second. These individuals don usually , including sign probably 45,000 europeans under the Visa Waiver Program and, can travel to the United States. That doesnt mean they want in without someone spotting them. And congress is looking at them. Essential towards our economy and culture and faly ties but it is potential vulnerability with so many roans having gone to fight that sis and having passports. Host would you say its icing . Or not . What does that prove forhe u. S. . Certainly isis is more decentralized as an organizaon. They pivoted before we took ici . Or not . What does that mosu sources, individuals, has been prepositioned and set forth into europe. So those are the things that are alreadyut there. It is a deceralized threat theres still some control from leaders from groups we should be concerned about. Buwe should remember that there mo terrorist attivity is about local battles. But we should all remain vigilant because bin laden said on llowers, dont focus europe focus on the United States. Host before your work, you rved as an instructer and onsultant on terrorists. Thomas sanderson our guests. Our first call for you from alabama. Caller good morning. I have a question about the ismi terrorist Training Camps that are in america and what is being done out that . Guest welim not aware of any specific Training Camps. Forces l you that the do an excellent job of discovering any potential Training Forces do an facilities. Of course we have had groups of individuals in the United States who engaged in their own they training where gathered one together did paint gathered one together did paint ball exercises, madelans, rvailed, provided counter ntelligence. Im not sure if we have formal Training Camps at this point. Host tony in maryland. Aller good morning. You have another war fear mongering guy on there to i guess scare everybody again ince september 11. Im very disappointed in you. Im not one of these ones out here that believe that 9 11 was done by the people that you say did it. I just dont believe it. Theres no evidence support it. Heres plenty of evidence to support otherwise. The video of the pentagon does not look like a commercial aircraft. The plane that went down in shanksville does not look like there was anybody in at plane. D people are starting to come to an understanding of what really happened on that date. Host we invitedim on to talk with folks like you. Est i dont share your particular view. I think the evidence certainly has proven and is available that shows who did this, how they were supported. Very exhaustive studies were done on this and investigations were done through multiiple agencies and nonvernment yl groups. So i think its clear what happened. Host why do you think this persists, these ideas . Ecause few reasons. One, there are individuals in the United States who do not trust our governmen number, because the United States has had relationships wi fighters in the past, many which then became part of al qaeda, that feeds this erhaps the that thi d states is behind are t the actual perpetrators. I think those are two of the key reasons. Host san diego is next. Bruce. Caer with 9 11, think and it seems to be that ch this are not the actual perpetrators. I think those are two of the key tension is covering up destic terrorism. At is the state of that in terms of threats to the united stat im talking specifically noo nazis and kkk. Guest though this is the anniversary of 9 11 i do think ds appropriate to address the nazis, esented by noo kkk d other hateros. We saw what theyre capable of doing in arlottesvie but we have many examples of the attas they have care rid out minorities in the United States so it is a signicant threat and inow that the f. B. I. An othe are looking at this. Being ident its pursued. Idea of t about this recruitment . Particularly as we know much more about how individuals commit these actually response . Guest recruitment is very difficult. Its hard for communities, family members, Law Enforcement and idea of recruitment . Particularly as we know much more others to detect individua whose are radicalized. Which is why Counter Intelligence is very important. Unfortunately, grants for programming at Homeland Security have been pulled and that is one thing that i think is heading in the wrong direction. But as a country i think we do a pretty good job of detecting the that in most places. There are places where you have pockets of individuals who are not well integrated into american society. Again, a safe haven for an individual is their own mind. Its very difficult to dete acvi. Ny w d s conduct attacks talk about it with friends, with compatriots on line and the f. B. I. Is often le to intervune he. Weaiv a ming in that stimulate the minds of young meng who may feel minds of young meng who may feel marginalized. Hostwas the decision to pull funds done by the administration . Guest yes. The funds are designed to detect radicalization, provide the kind of counseling, the kind of help that authorities can use to prevent young men and women to go to these groups. Over 400 individuals in the United States have been inceleste gated, about 60 who have been arrested and prosecuted. Ts about nine men to each woman. Al host bryan is next. Guest how many people from luzzmim countries have overstayed woman their visas and what are we doing linchtly from the 9 point to this point . Thank you very much. I dont know how my individuals have overstayed their visas from any religious group or ethnic group. And im not sure that we are going to be trying to detect ose numbers based on that criteria. Their vas but it is clear that we have many people who areverstayed. Muslims, christians, and all other relincolnance and we should be pursuing those individuals. Ho ashington, d. C. , good morning. Calling on republican line. Youre next. Me. Just bear with i spent 20 years as a contracteror the f. A. A. I left as a senior principal ngineer. I beliedll the stuff on 9 11 until about five years later i came across some stuff and started doing my own investigation. I dont believe in some media thing. What i found was first of all planes cant fly into a 30 foot hole like they did in the pentagon. They seemed to have it cancal difficulties showing you that. Theres a whole industry thats een built up around fear monging. Theyre getting big salaries. They shredded the bill of rights. It was an inside job. The organizations youre talking about, they did you find anyxplowives . No. Did you look for explosives . No. All you have to do is look in thoseuildings. And the work is getting around are getting tired of the ar mongering. And they get the salary from this whole thing of are getting socalled terrorist groups down. Host ok. You made your point. Est ive been in 70 countries. Ive interviews over a dozen militant groups. Let me tell you there is nothing fake abouthe threat. It is real. I dont have his expertise with the f. A. A. But i dont sha the thought that this is an insi job. There are a nuer of threats that will continue to target us. Host he brought up the patriot act and surveillance. Whats the lock it haveerm effect . Certainly on raffles side individual, feel they have less privacy but feel were savor. Yo dont want to trade that in today there have are some tradeoffs. Just like at the airport w allow ourselves toe checked. We do that in order to fly safely. So the patriots act has done a number of things that areood d s erodesome of our liberties. We struggle today bot today dom and threats but largely foreign and the need to protect oursels and the others who get on mro, get on a ship, get into a car, walk into a building. Those are concerns we want to think about. Host you can find his book at the hill website. Stems from the barcelona attacks. Guest the point is if you do not share information and do it effectively that you could end up getting bitly. However, when it comes to attacks from spain, spain struggles with mtiiple sources of energies. And the c. I. A. Did send them information about potential attacks in barcelona but that been one than a hundred pieces of informatn that caminhaweek, that moh. Wre just dont know. Its beeone than a hundred pieces of infoation har spanish because its hard to prove this. Thers good information, its not as good. The cultural differences, the differences. Ega privaclaws. And even within countries, bellingm has risen by so man different differences. Privacy organizations. Host missouri. Al, go ahead. Caller i wish he woultell the truth. Weve been sin 19r6. Reagan started that war. And they know reagan started that war and theyre notoing to tell the uth. Weve been in pakistan since he 86 and he needs to te the truth. Thank you. Host my comment is the is one of our most difficult partners truth. In the battle against terrorism. Pack stahas enable militant groups but they are also partners of ours pursuing militant groups. And violent extremist groups can help achve those goals. But pakistan dupts aot. They are not the only country like that. The are countries w have been the source of the ideology. Saudi arabia. Also provides us with intellence on the threats. That list goes on and on where e have imperfect partners. Host jim, go ahead. Caller i just want to say that think its so digs respectful to call in to this program a talk about conspiracy theories those people, those thousands of peoples lives who were touched by the tragedy. For anyone to believehat our government, our country somehow conspired to do something so trag and so terrie, its just sick. Its sick to think that way. And believe ose thing thats really al i have to say about it. I just think those families knees to know there are need to know there are those of us who have the respect to know what was paid by those people. Ths about all i have to say about it. Guest thank you. I appreciate those thoughts. And on the annivsaryf 9 11 those are ever important. These stheeries are not founded. This would be an outrageous thing for our governnto do. It would also be an extremely difficult for the government to have succeeded in doing. Host two times the president has tried to impose se type of travel ban. Talkbout what the president s proposal is. What do you think the effectivelyness would be . Guest weve seen the challenges and the they are significant from nurl of courts, a number of parties who are challenging the president to be able to say a Certain Group of individuals is not allowed in the United States it is not effective. We have individuals inside this country who are not musli we ave individuals threating to come inside who are not mli part of this is clearly political and economic in its tone and in its makeup. It is not a wise policy. St one is to allow e government to improve the process of vetting. What is thaturrent process . Guest the curre standard for vetting is extraordinary. You come in here as a refugee, it is very, very difficult for you to get through that pcess. Its many, manmonths long. We have an excellent sndard for that. And that is not the issue here. This is a political issue. From pittsburgh, pennsylvaniamarianne on our republican line. Good morning. Caller i would like to know about the from f. B. I. Agent tha caught in texas to one of the terrorist attacks that happened in texas. Billion t the 3. 2 equment military iven to someone. Shes referring to this woman whworked at the f. B. Who consorted with a known terrorist. I dont know many details about o this woman that but i do know that she was caught. That she did cooperate, provided information to the f. B. I. Of course after having been caught. And i dont know much of details bend that. But that but i that is very frighte marianne is right bring that up. To have someone in the f. B. I. Doing that is scary. Is immune. In the equipment, i believe shes talking about the trump ministrations reversal of providing excess military Departments Police which president obama curtailed sharply after what had happened er the last couple of years with departments which respect toxcessive lice force against civilians. I do think it isangerous t put into hands of a Police Department military grade equipment. There are specialized teams who require specializedaterials. But thve always had those for some time. I think nd to be careful abou providing military style weapons that he are designed to welfare by p departments in situations. Host the proct director for the threats program. Nd served at the Defense Intelligence agencys office of Counter Terrorism from 1998 to 2002. What is that program . Guest sure. Let me clarify. I woed intellence for a contracter called Science International corporation. I joined them right after gradte school to looat factors and indicators that would warn us that terror groups were going from onventional weapons to weapeds. That was my eapons of mass deruction. Thast my main client or customer. What we did is we looked at the three main instances of the use of wmd in the past. That was the armed forces, use of color reingas. T was a small cult that used salad bars. N can i dont know if you remember that incident. To poison individuals and sicken them. So we looked athose as well as aurl of things, social science literature. His is opened source and classified to he determine when ailitant group would make those connections. Classified to help determine when do they start, when they gin tosolate, when they engage in group think, where they can dispers a certain level of guilt. So it did that for four years and provided insights on what those factors andndicators may be. Host what were your thoughts then on 9 11 aut the use of aircraft . Guest we were not looking at aircraft. My team wa not looking at aircraft at the time but im certain individual were. And concerned about that possibility. Had been raised in studies before both government and nongovernment that aircraft uld be used like this. Of course aircrafts have been targeted in the air. N am 103, air india, lots of times. But n a lot tald intoeing turned into cruise missiles. That was the innovation of the part of al qaeda and today remains a threat. Aircraft are tier 1 target, highly visible, the impact on the economy and on e psyche and on the moral of e country would ha been profound if they were torike againhat way. Host because now do you think that could be repeated . Guest it would be very difficult to get fo individuals on board to take over the aircraft because of the doors on the cock pit. Getting a bomb on board weve seen thats possible. We saw in egypt with the aircraft, in somali in other placeses where thahas happened. In raugs it has happened a couple of times. So getting individuals to take over the aircraft to then use its a cruise missile. That seems to me nr possible. But getting in, how much is that difficu . Host go ahead. Caer thank you for answering my call. Im calling about this 9 11 situation. Its feasible for the government to do ts. Remember operation northwood, the kennedy administration. Lind b. Johnson. Is 9 11 thing started from 1991 or before when george w. Bush senior tried to take over raush and the coalition ended up in 2011. Nd he had two 240 billion ecurities needed to be cleared oneptember 12. Host thank you. Guest i dont share your view on the conspiracy element of this that the government w in on this. Its certaintly true that our government that essentially any government on the planet today has engaged in pretty awful activities. But this is way beyond the pail. And that would be outgeous to kill that many people just is not true and did not happen. In just a few moments we will take you to the moment of silence that yo have been seeing leading up to that. Until then our conversation with Thomas Sanderson will take plac well palk for a moment to tch the wte house ceremony and then resume our conversation. John this is dan in independence oregon. Caller i wanted to ask the person, the last five years in the unid states, how many innocent people have been killed by terrorists and how many innocent people have been killed by e police. Thank you. Est ion the exact numbers how many people have been kill in the last fiv yrs by terrorist incidents anby police. But certainly my guess is that the number by poli is much igher than by terrorism. Creates an inordinate amount of fear but it is that ability to generate that fear that is so awful. Of course we have seen a lot of violence on the part of some Police Offers in this country and the number are pretty high. I dont know the numbers and canhelp you with createsn inor amount the comparison. Ho john is next. Caller thank you for what you do and what your orgization does. Im so happy to tha the president called these people they are. That i think basically they were referred to as cowards. From whoever bombed oklahoma. And they are. I thin dont be grossed out by this but these people dont like pigs. Right . They should be buried in a pig plter. We could tell them we use them in footbal and the old one were going to by them in as far as the ones who cmit suicide. They kill these people. Theyhould never be referred to as anything but cowards. And that willtick with them. Guest well, i share your view that they shld be called cowards. I do not agree with aociating heir dths as pigs. These people are awful. Overseas we have an aggressive poure, with special operions, with drones, with strike aircraft, but i want to point out that count terroris Counter Insurgency demand much more tn what is referred to as kinetic activity. Weill not achieve durable relief untile deal with this. There are a whole range of things that we need to do that we are not doing that this government is not serious about dog. We have no rourced those efforts. I ar this from intelligence officers, special operations officers, folks across government, left right and middle. We are not doing the serious efrthat we need to do to reduce the threat. Is not just bbing. Were very good at that. Whats on the top of the liffs . St encouraging strongly and doing as much as we can to foe od goveness from overseas. Trng to reduce sectarianism. Religious and iological radicalization. Socio economic huge. A lotf e young men are on the sidelines, reduced in tir life in joining extreme nt extremt groups. It gives them a seps of purpose, dignity, and respent. These are thing that is they lack at home often in repressive regimes. But in democratic socties too. Out res a big deficit there. Then radical preachers and then radical preachers and individuals manipulate that neeth. Host so, yeah. Then radical preachers and individuals manipulate that neeth. Host , yeah. Host whats the best way to minister this . Gut engaging these countrie where you find this happening and where you find the numbers so high. Tunisia, for example, saudi arabia, rdan. And these arallies of rs but theyre large numbers of individuals coming from ese countries joining these groups. And its about being better at goveance, to protecting your citizens. My colleague often says that when we look Counter Terrorism. We need to lk at the stes who are terrorizing theirwn people. And we need to use thleverage we have to push policies that improve job making, job production, good in gornance but reduced levels of cpping. Host were a few moments away from observing the moment of silence. Caller i just want to tell mr. Sanderson thank you for prenting facts. It sens my heart that so many people in america believe in conspicy theories. Again,hank you so ve much for psenting the facts. I really specific policies are overseas with rard to being able toeize the asss famloifs terroris. I do know in some countries they round up the entire family and that, unfortunately, can gerate me terrorist activity as you radicalize youngen and girls when you use that sort of olale approach and that is esent in so many cntes where ive don research. But i dont think in the United States that would do that here. Thomas anderson will remain with us as we go to thehite house to observe the moment of silence. Ms. Huckabee sanders good afternoon. This this morning we had the honor of joining the president at the pentagon to observe the anniversary of september 11 with the families andurvivors of the horrific attack our homeland that ok the lives of 2,977 ofheir brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, husbands, and wives 16 years ago. The lives of those survivors and fami