Was when he talked about going against his instinct, not to get involved. Because of the threat of terrorism, he was going to go ahead anywhere. He rarely talks about changing his mind. The instinct is not to involve in any longterm commitment. He would call it nationbuilding. I think that is a strawman. I think whether its in syria, he wanted to stay up. He was launching cruise missiles. Trump said he leans one way and then goes the other. Ont the trump doctrine foreignpolicy after his afghanistan speech during it follows the similar pattern the again in europe and north korea. Putting pressure on allies is the key to success overseas despite complications. We talked about that change in strategy. What, if anything, did we learn from this afghanistan speech about how the president might operate Going Forward . Seen as aat we have pattern in the trumpet illustration trump administration. He has no concern about civilian casualties. In afghanistan there is been a 67 rise in casualties. Beganyear since the u. N. Taking records, we have a had higher levels of civilian cap of these casualties. A major article about civilian casualties in iraq are being discovered, thousands of people thought to the and killed by Coalition Airstrikes led by the United States. There was an article about civilian casualties already happening in syria. Another article about civilian casualties in yemen, the u. S. Is providing the refueling for saudi bombers that are devastating the population, with 10,000 People Killed and killed. We heard in his speech on afghanistan where he spoke about americans tired of war. They are tired of war without victory. Think war is actually helping them western mark is it changing their lives of the better . After 16 years of military occupation and engagement in afghanistan, still the worst lace in the world for a child to be born. That is the legacy we are leaving behind. Host we talking with the director of research at the foundation for democracy and the director of the international project. They are here to discuss the trump administrations foreignpolicy and what we have gleaned from the recent speech about afghanistan. Republicans can call 202 7848001. Democrats can call 202 7488000. Independence can call 202 7488002. Post, it talkson a little bit about john nicholson, who is heading up afghanistan. Make the case for an expanded military commitment in a aniston. Guest you of the first installment of his wish you u. S. Commanders were telling barack obama that goal of reducing 203 was an invitation taliban to come back. The military provided estimates. Was the upper 70s or higher. Ended the mission and started drawing down, that drew down to the 50s and lower. Will do aink 4000 couple of orton rings. The numbers we have are only putting in higherlevel units. We have to get down to the battalion level. Thosemportant for officers to be there. Something we sell work in iraq. What do people there think about war . Their president has been in that it did a very much want in american presence. People are terrified. The taliban was a brutal regime regime. They are taking terrible casualties. The United Nations report showed the civilian counties are being casualties are being put in by the taliban. When we asked why are there so many dying, its because we withdrew those numbers. They understand that. The most important thing to convey is what the americans of done. Is just nothing civilian casualties. The total number of ella terry deaths is over 2000. The president is committing to sending more troops there. What you expect to happen . Guest i think we are going to see higher numbers of civilian cattle is. Our goals are not to protect people, our goals as articulated from everyone from john mccain to the president is to protect americans. I think its a false claim to say that we cant allow the taliban to come back, even though everyone agrees we will have to have negotiations with them. That is going to somehow keep americans safe. What it takes these days to orate an attack on civilians an attack on the United States or europe, a room with a few people figuring out how to do it. It doesnt take Training Camps and territory and things it once created considered a requirement. I think we are missing the honesty on this claim, the that is going to somehow the americans safe. Its going to continue to fuel of war in afghanistan that is going to kill people. The taliban was a horrific force. The current ruling force is made up of former warlords. Almost just as bad. One of the key leaders of one of the other forces but against the soviet union in the 1980s and was welcomed by president reagan as part of the Founding Fathers of the new afghanistan, he invented throwing acid in the face of young girls. That came before the taliban existed. I think we have to be very clear. We have a lot of colors who want to get in on this before we get to other aspects of foreignpolicy area she predicted events on the phil donahue show. Explain how the foundation for the defense of democracy is a lobbying group for israeli interests. This is not my business to critique others. There is a rate deal of influence in defending the right wing of israeli interests and netanyahu in particular. You might be indicted for corruption in israel. This is a huge problem. The one thing i would reckon guys as we had success in recent years because of important organizing. They have been working for alice and in right and have had enormous impact in changing that this or spirit of it is no longer political suicide to criticize israel. 60 people skip the speech when netanyahu tried to convince the against their president. That would have never happened. Weve had success in this. I think we should change u. S. Policy toward israel. I want to address the main contention. E have a policy we do not take foreign money. We produce scholarship on both sides of the conflict. We dont take money from any foreign interests and we produce scholarship i am proud to defend. Host the president talked about andu. S. Interest in a in pakistan. Lets take a look at what he said. Pakistan,anistan and americas interest are clear. It we must stop the resurgence of safe havens that enable terrorists. We must prevent the your weapons from coming into the hands of terrorists and being used against us or anywhere in the world. War, we willthis learn from history. As a result of our review, american strategy in afghanistan and south asia will change dramatic way. Core pillar of our new strategy is a ship from a timebased conditions. 1 8 on it is counterproductive to to announce in a dance the dates we intend to begin or end military options. We will not talk about numbers of troops or plans for her there military activity. Notitions on the around timetables will guide our americasow on. Enemies must never know our plans or believe they can wait us out. I will not say when we are owing to attack, but attack we will. Guest this is an a dramatic change. That is not a strategy. Saying we are going to be conditions based and give the authority to the generals is a recipe for permanent work. If you are a hammer, everything like a nail. Everything requires a military solution. To challengeing , there is atals military solution. There simply is not. Does not going to make things better. Threatening pakistan is going to stabilize the region. Host the goal of the trump strategy is to convince taliban fighters forces are not leaving. That of switching, the u. S. Plan is concealment. Think the plan is clear you. Yes,of the answer is barack obama was committed to timelines and that was a strategic error. We were hitting the taliban pretty hard. Month, could survive the those numbers could come down. For the First Time Since they importantntrol, to never caricature our general. Generals. In e sophisticated men and women. They have a sophisticated you of the promisee. Diplomacy. Troops isly 4000 more not a recipe for conditions rather than timelines. They are not going to think we need to reconsider what we are doing. Host ruth is on the line drum columbia, south carolina. Caller thank you cspan. It is great to see them. I support the work you do. Bookolding in my hand a from stones statehood. I think phyllis will recognize the title. She is the author. About theo ask foreignpolicy in the palestinian issue. Going to benk is accomplished with Jared Kushner going to meet with the israeli officials . I appreciate your answer. Im not that optimistic the fundamental characteristics have not changed. John kerry made a push. The underlying situation is there is a divide between the faction and thomas that controls the gaza strip. To restore his popularity with moves at the United Nations. He is seen as too soft on israel. Most people dont think he is done enough to resist. He has a record of being a peacemaker. Is position is too precarious. I dont see much. Dont disagree with much of that assessment. Had popular support. What has not changed its u. S. Support for Israeli Occupation of the west bank. Gaza is ation of military siege rather than on the ground troops. There are 650,000 illegal settlers. Theres not going to be a twostate solution. Whatever one might have thought about 20 years ago, it doesnt matter. Too late for that. Youre not going to uproot 650,000 settlers from that territory. Youre not going to have the possibility of a continuous palestinian state. What else is the option . Now, its an apartheid state. There is one territory ruled i won power. They have virtually no power. To pay the teachers. They dont have Strategic Power in the region. This does not take into account the disparity of power. You dont take it occupied population with no military control or independence and sit it down across from one of the strongest militaries in the world and the only Nuclear Power in the region backed by the United States and say now you can negotiate as equals. There is going to have to be a different approach by the United States. Then we will see the possibility of real change. Guest i think its important to stay away from inflammatory language like apartheid. Palestinians stabbing civilians, is that what south africans were doing . Form, its a different and it falls under the definition of apartheid. This was passed by the General Assembly of the United Nations. Its not about comparing to south africa. Twos one territory with populations and to separate legal systems. , if yourrow stones palestinian you will be tried in military court and face prison time. Your parents will not the with you. If you are an israeli, you will be treated as a child as you should be. We are going to go on to our next caller. This is the typical gibberish you here on span. Americas foreignpolicy with afghanistan, india is putting money into afghanistan. India and china are at each others throats greater now china is helping pakistan. Got 300 troops bombed out of lebanon. What happened to that state . Overthrew awer freely erected iranian government, that was it. Our National Resources are hours. America is not going to put up with that. Some russian hacker but something on a guitar business cutter business. Host youre talking about a lot of places. Lets go back to where you started, bringing india and pakistan to the table. Guest either regional powers have an Important Role to play in this. Theyre going to have to be involved in the discussions. That means iran as well. They are Nuclear Weapon states like israel and north korea. Those are the four unofficial Nuclear State in the world. We have to figure out how were going to come to terms with that. To come into yet afghanistan with greater Economic Resources as a challenge to pakistan is not the way to building diplomatic solution. If we need diplomacy and not war in pakistan. What we hear from the president is the opposite of what currently to serious diplomacy. Guest im not sure india is a critical part of the solution in afghanistan. Of its a growing partner. Its the World Largest democracy in terms of population. Himstan has launched provocative terrorist attack spirit attacks. No one is sure how to deal with it. They have tried to put conditions on aid. Conflicted regime. They have an Intelligence Service bermuda with islamic extremists. Supporting others in afghanistan. They have also inspired a back \. Nicholson testified on this a while ago. He talked about the importance of being serious. That expresses the dilemma. No one has pacific solutions. Host the president is not supporting nationbuilding. This is what the l. A. Times wrote about that area as i said before, nationbuilding is a term, its a straw man. It makes it sound like youre trying to turn the country into switzerland. There has to be a political element. H. R. Mcmaster is april a practitioner of this area the situation like this forces key parts. To slaughteray people and achieve a solution. Of its only when the population part offe the table be the solution. Troops. Bout more it was also about a ship and strategy. We were no longer just going after groups and taking out as many as possible. Afghanistan has the issues with corruption. Governance is a part of the equation. Huge there is a corruption in afghanistan. That has been true since we installed this government in 2001 after the overthrow of the taliban. Politicaloing to be a solution. Haveng more troops when we 100,000 troops under u. S. Command occupying the country. We couldnt stop the war then. The notion that we are going to do it 5000 and not have nationbuilding, we dont have a concern about casualties or the vast majority of afghans do not benefit rum the small levels of improvement we see in one or two major cities. Enormous territory. They dont have access to do clean water. This is a devastated region. This 15d not pretend year war is the beginning of that. This began in the 1980s when we bought against the soviet union in afghanistan. We have a norm us obligation to the people of afghanistan. Them military occupation. We are about the foreignpolicy. High, kevin. Go ahead with your question. Believe she is so i am losing communication. Assuming we are not nation builders. We are at war. Things, anda lot of pakistan. I lost my thought here. I apologize. Guest i think he is talking about Osama Bin Laden in pakistan. This is an old story. This is an old story edited huge challenge. My position is that this is not happening. The problem is not going to be solved by the military. That is the point. There is a huge problem and we have huge obligations as the most powerful country in the world. We dont meet obligations appropriately with the military first, which is what we do. I have a question, have you ever set foot in afghanistan . I spent nine months there. Our generals are not allowed to do the job. We took 290 rocket. Most of them we saw coming before they were launched. We were not allowed to do anything. There, then the. Or. They got the job done. Host lets let phyllis respond. Guest u. S. Troops are at great risk. Protectthe best way to them is to keep them at home. They are not protecting people there. I think there is a huge problem of troops being put it great risk and not hitting the results we are told we would get. It is simply not going to work. It it didnt work in the past and its not going to work this time. Afghanistan is not called the graveyard of empires for nothing. Guest the troops are always safest at home. There is a mission. I have not served in uniform. I think our caller made a valid point about the restrictions. Its a complicated issue. There were times when offensive action against the taliban was restrict. Some of those restrictions were reduced. Point on the overall threat, terrorism is moving away from using saint george one attacks. There are more ways they use virtual support and Online Connections with people in the west area. Testified thaton in 25th teen we found one of the largest Training Camps and had to launch an assault to take it out. The Obama Administration has ind there were 100 people afghanistan. In that camp we found more than that. People have talked about there being 20 different terrorist organizations in that region. Forces part of the situation. The talibans goals are unlikemurder americans, al qaeda. The goal has been limited to afghanistan. They dont want to come here and rule us. Host lets move on to north korea. To be tough talk against kim jong in work . Missiles no initial attack at lomb. If guest im not sure i would call it a victory. Its short term to see if his psychology has changed. I was surprised to see secretary tillerson sadie is used restraint. We will see over time if you still assassinating his foreign airports. Tougher a move to get sanctions. We assume that we had this popular posture isolation. It has never been subject to anything is tough is what we put on iran under the Obama Administration. One of the key things is the president wants to cooperate with the chinese. Of they are not helping that much. The have nat part of facilitation. We are going after the chinese banks that make this possible. They are the most important conduit to get currency. There needs to be more. Were going after Chinese Companies and the russians are doing it as well. The u. N. S was after sanctions. We want to get your reaction to something said in the national review. Guest i think he is a nationalist. I think he has consistently for a view of America First with this gain for the rest of the world. Even the language used in the white house, globalist is used with disdain. Isolationism, when you are not an isolationist when it comes to villa terry intervention is a false claim. We should be clear. This is not an abstract notion of America First. Racism, its about seclusion of people around the world who are not like us in his view. I think this has everything to do with building the wall. We dont hear about building a wall on the Canadian Border because candidate looks more like us. I think its a terrible analysis. The notion that we can talk about America First on the backs , thats wrongkers morally. It is massively wrong morally. It is also wrong politically. We live in a globalized world. The question is not to we have trade. We may have people. That in a way that says were going to have it all on our terms. Free trade is only free or are operations and not for the small producers that dominate the rest of the world. Guest i think the terms of the debate have become distorted. It, people might promote globalism as a term of your vision. What degree we believe american runcible should involve foreignpolicy, its more useful. We have this fundamental question, do we promote our National Interests or is there a way we do both . If there is room today for policy that is more short term, its because there is a community that has emerged in europe and asia. Its important how it transcends race. In japan and korea, our partners are not white. After charlottesville, there is tremendous disappointment with where the administration has an on racial issues if we sug cspans washington journal, live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. 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