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They have signed an agreement to buy to modern advance technology. They will not have to rely on nuclear technology. If they feel it is a security argument that is much different. Somebody on the sides. She is raising her hand. My question is regarding sanctions. Sanctions being a repackaging of nuclear sanctions. A question i get every time i do a briefing. We were only talking about one category of our sanctions. Those were put in place over the last several years to address the nuclear program. All thesnt mean sanctions are going to be able to go away. Those are going to remain in. Lace there are lots of those that place. Main in one of the fundamental one is those that relate to those designated by the department of treasury and their support of terrorism. This is one of those things that is going to stay in place. They are going to stay sanction. Part of the sanctions imposed under the bill passed by congress in 2010, that bill says if you are a foreign bank and helpo business, if you transfer money from iran and thaton to any other place bank and get cut off. To the extent any of those sorts of things are taking place. We were very clear we have every intention of enforcing them. For iran toounds walk out of this deal. That is people will say repositioning sanctions. Iran can argue anything it wants. Is there are no commitments in there. Absolute commitment to use sanctions and any other authority we have to continue to counter irans support of terrorism. One data point is we are in a tose political moment support this deal. Two weeks ago the Treasury Department moved forward with additional legislation. Part of the walking and chewing gum at the same time i argued earlier. He was kind enough to agree to stay on until 3 15, which gives time for a few more questions. I have one in the far back. There was a gentleman in the row toward the back. I am a member of the public. Does this Nuclear Arms Deal prevent iran from acquiring already readymade nuclear orpons from north korea rogue sources . Terms of the agreement are quite clear. ,ran will not seek to acquire look at longingly Nuclear Weapons. At only would that the violation of the deal, but it is something we have been very watchful of before in terms of north korea being on its own. Its clear that transfer of to northechnology korea is a problem in the relationship, but it would be prohibitive in terms of the disagreement and is walled off. One point is there are all sorts of scenarios about how iran acquires materials to build a Nuclear Weapon on their own or acquire a new rear state. That is something we will have to be vigilant about after the deal. Is a violationit of their commitment and additional commitment to the deal itself. The one difference is we will have greater visibility across dedicatedand also a to cure men channel that we will have a higher probability of detect the activity we have a but a muchrecord higher probability of detecting it. Addhe thing i was going to is a core concept of the deal. All states of the world are prohibited from transferring to iran nuclear sensitive technology. Those prohibitions are going to remain in place. We have layered a mechanism by which if iran wants to precure its nuclear technology, that sensitivere some technology. If they want to buy those things they will have to get approval. The approval has to be by consensus. Even if they are not buying a particular weapon, we have the unilateral veto on any of those requests. If they do not, we have the with otherrespond things we might do in response. Great program. You are very slick. I am not sure i would buy a used car from you. This country is led by three yet there was no asgressional Observer Group in all Important International agreement 1990. Ations since why . I will say this is not a treaty. Itis an executive agreement. Is not a treaty in the sense it is not a legally binding agreement of the nature of a thirdsthat required two of agreement of the senate. It is a political agreement that hinges on the continued mutual agreement to implement it. It is different. It is hard to argue congress has been in the dark. If Wendy Sherman were up here, the number of briefings, hearings, i dont know a single we spend moreere time talking to congress. Its not just now as we try to make the case this hill is a good one and should be supported. Through the entire process folks have volunteered to meet with any member of congress, senior staff. I think if you talk to senator menendez they offer greater insight into what is going on. I dont know if there was a sense that congress was locked out of the details. Case our right to make the that it supports the deal. Let me make one more point. Under International Arms control there are things the United States has to do like eliminating missiles, and there are things the russians or the soviet union has to do as well. Thing happening here is the president is going through this authority to waive sanctions the congress authorized with a president ial waiver. Had the congress not authorized a president ial waiver, i have good reason to believe the white house would have vetoed that legislation on principle. The have resisted imposition of sanctions. There are no restrictions placed on the United States. I think if there were we would have a stronger agreement there should be a conversation. There are obligations for the future, but that is a significant difference between arms control and this particular agreement. I can get too way all these people, but the gentleman in the back was early in the process. I am retired. The administration can break out in terms of the time to acquire material. I believe the definition is in terms of strategic quantity. My question is if it was 60 , wouldiran had the administration say they enough . Ave would they say they should make a weapon of the same reliability but lower yield with 60 . Factual things. Under this agreement for the next 15 years they are not allowed to have any and rich uranium beyond that level. They currently in different forms have about 12,000 kilograms of enriched uranium below that level. That is enough for 10 Nuclear Weapons. 300 kilograms is about a fourth of what you might need. Beyond 15 years iran never has the right to produce weapons. If i understood your question, if we discovered they had 15 kilograms of weapons grade uranium, what would we do, and the answer is it would be a violation of the agreement. You decide to break down in terms of a weapons worth. The way we define break out in that sense is kind of the industry standard. It is not terribly controversial. There are some who suggest we could do it at a lower level. The breakout calculations we use are not controversial. I think there is going to be controversy perhaps 25 years after a successful agreement. At least that we can predict for the future. I think we have reached a point where i have to bring an end to this. Let me thank you for coming and ask you to thank the panel. [applause] facts Michael Farris from the convention of States Project on efforts to amend the constitution and health state legislatures how state legislatures could have a role in the process. Also how themes like economic populism and income inequality are playing out in the president ial race and a look at the impact big game hunting is having on wildlife populations in south africa. We will get your reaction by phone, face book, and twitter. Live every day the Brookings Institution heres for Federal Reserve chair ben bernanke. He and others talk about defense spending and the impact on the u. S. Economic outlook. Cspan at 10 30 a. M. On 2. Followed the cspan cities tour as we travel outside of the washington beltway to communities across america. Is to take a programming from our American History television and look television beyond the beltway to produce pieces more visual and provide again, a window into the cities that viewers would not normally go to that have rich histories. And a rich literary scene. A lot of of people have heard of cities like new york and l. A. And chicago, but what about small ones like albany, new york . What is the history of them . We have been to over 75 cities. We will hit 95 in april of 2016. Most of our coverage on cspan is event coverage. These are not. They take you to some places. We partner with our cable affiliates to explore the history and literary culture of various cities. The key entry is the cable operator who contacts the city. In essence, is bringing us there. 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Trump was in hampton, New Hampshire. He talked about national security, immigration, and Womens Health issues, spoke was fellow republican candidates. This about one hour. And without further or do, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the next president from the United States, donald j. Trump. History repeats itself mr. Trump beautiful. So nice. [applause] so nice. They say we set a record tonight. [applause] now, i am going to make the people outside angry. They love me. I love them. We have over 1000 people outside. Hundreds in the second auditorium. You people got the good real estate. [applause] this has been an amazing time. I know it is very early. The polls have been through the roof. Every one of them. [applause] because, i dont know if it is me or the message, or a combination, but i brought back a term that hasnt been used in a long time for the silent majority. There is a tremendous silent majority that politicians have taken advantage of. They have taken advantage of the people of this country long enough. They are largely incompetent except when it comes to getting reelected. That is what they do. Who knows them better than me . I have contributed to everybody. Who knows them better than me . They are great at one thing dont make waves, serve it out. Get reelected again. I have been watching it for so many years. I personally am sick and tired of it. [applause] backstage i met some of the vets. The greatest people we have in this country. [applause] and they have been mistreated. They have been treated like third class citizens. It is going to stop. It is going to stop. [applause] you look at the senators and the congressmen. They ride around like kings. They think isnt it great . They make speeches. Nothing happens. Two weeks ago, they had the longest waits in reception rooms and reception areas in the history of the veterans administration. People waiting three days, four days, five days to see a doctor. We are going to straighten that. It is called management. It is called management. That is all it is. [applause] the military is going to be so strong in this country. [applause] nobody is going to mess around with the United States. That i can tell you. That i can tell you. Nobody. [applause] over the last few weeks, jeb bush [booing] in favor of common core, week on not goodn immigration, on military. Thought the iraq war was a good thing. Im the most militaristic person in this room but you have to know when to use it. Think about it. We spend 2 trillion in iraq. And by the way, china is taking the oil. Isis may have it and iran may have that but china is taking the oil. Can you imagine . We never do anything right with china. We spend 2 trillion, thousands of lives of great people, mostly young, beautiful people, Wounded Warriors who i love all over the place, not treated properly by the way. [applause] and we have nothing. Iran is taking over iraq. The parts they want to give up, they are giving oil to isis. Isis has the oil. You remember when i said you shouldnt go in. Reuters wrote an article in 2004 that trump, dont go in. Youre going to ruin the balance. Iran and iraq were the same. Twins. They have wars for years. One goes this way, one goes that way. If you take out one, the other is going to take over. We took out one and look at the mess we have. We have destabilized the middle east and it is a mess. [applause] jeb bush couldnt he didnt know the difference. He couldnt answer a question, was iraq a good thing or bad thing . Finally after going to his pollster, after five days he said it was a bad thing. Thats ok. The other day im watching. He is saying we got Saddam Hussein out. Im not a fan of Saddam Hussein, but he ran the place, and he had no weapons of mass destruction. Now, instead of Saddam Hussein we are far more brutal. We have isis. We will have iran. They are already making deals. The leaders of iraq are visiting the leaders of iran. What do we get out of this . We have stupid leadership. [applause] i didnt to want to go in but i was right. It was bad. They were bombing stuff. At some point we have to go out. We have to rebuild this country. We have to rebuild our country. We have to. Our bridges are falling apart. Our roads are a mess. Our schools, our highways. Everything. Who is better at infrastructure than trump . They talked about the surge. Bushs brother said the war is over. Weve taken over. Two days later the was a disaster. Obama said that with yemen. He announced yemen was a victory. Then three months later it was a disaster. We dont have yemen. We dont have anything. We send over to our allies, if you call them that, theres no word for them. Iraq isnt a country. It is a bunch of corrupt people that string something together. It is not a country. We send over 2500 humvees. So when i heard 2500 i thought it was a typo in the new york times. They mean 25. They mean 2. 5. They mean 250, maybe. 2500 humvees, armor plated. When the bombs go off you dont lose your legs and your life in your arms. Great vehicles. One shot is fired and these guys run away and the enemy picks up 2500. Think of it. We need the right thinking. I said, what a terrible statement he made because when we had to leave, you can talk about surging but at some point we have to leave, we cant stay there forever. We would loosen up these rules. We have so much oil under our own feet we dont need them for those things because of new technologies. [applause] so, we leave and i say leave but take the oil. Did anyone ever hear me say that . Take the oil. I watch these guys on television, political people, many of them with the administration. I think they mean well. They dont have a clue. They say isnt that silly . Mr. Trump says take the oil. You know where is the oil now . Iran and isis. Everybody has it but us. [laughter] it is hard to believe. We need general Douglas Macarthur. I thought he was great. The highest academic. Im big into school and academics. I went to the best school. You have to be smart to get in. Wharton. That was before i was trump. But you have to be really smart and that is the hardest one. Even then, by the way. General Douglas Macarthur to this day was the greatest student in the history of west point plus he had the look, he had the whole deal. He was a general. I dont see it now so much. I dont want to knock the generals but i see some of these guys. Can we defeat isis . I dont think so. I dont want to use names. [laughter] then you have general george patton. [applause] do you think general patton, when president obama said we were going to attack a certain city and he said in two weeks we are going to attack this city, and were going to attack from the front, and we want to use drones. The enemy is saying it is brutal. It turned out to be a brutal situation. I said that is great. That is camouflage. What a smart thing he is doing. He is probably going to do the opposite. In 2 weeks we attacked it was the craziest thing ive ever seen. Some of it should have taken 24 hours, it was months. I wonder what General Macarthur and general patton are doing now in their graves . They are spinning. Saying i dont believe it. I dont believe it. We have such a great country but we have gone down so far. China yesterday, im big in the world of financial, cnn did a poll, i was through the roof on the economy. I was like really high. I had to be accurate because otherwise they will have a i was many times number two. It is a pretty important subject. Leadership. I killed everybody on leadership. I did great on the military. I think the military would be just as good as the economic for me personally. Aww, these poor people. I would be creating things that nobody would be playing with us. Nobody. Nobody. [applause] i dont necessarily mean soldiers. We love our soldiers but i mean, we have weaponry that is obsolete. We have Nuclear Weapons. 60 minutes does a show, they show how bad of condition our Nuclear Weapons are in. The anybody see that . Can you even if it is true, we are putting this for the world to see. The reason they did that is the president wanted the press to see how weak our Nuclear Capabilities were. The telephones dont work. They have wires. The wires were rotting. To work the telephones, the silos were resting and rotting. The kids said we dont know if they work. Great. [laughter] they are screaming over the phone because the wires are so damaged in old. This is our nuclear. Assuming it is true, who the hell which show that to the enemy . The reason he did was because he wants funding. We have to get smart people, tough people, cunning people. China. They did the largest devaluation in the history of china. They think the history but they say only the last two decades. Now i feel better. They brought it down to two decades. In other words, 20 years. Ok. What that means is, you hear the sucking sound. That means jobs. That means money. That means all of this coming out. They did a number on us. And i said, when they did the last one which wasnt long ago, it was a much more modest devaluation, i said i cant believe obama is allowing this to happen. And we have all the cards. I told the press it is the greatest theft in the history of the United States, what china has done. We have rebuilt china. Our money has rebuilt china. [applause] you go over to china, bridges are being built all over the place that make the George Washington bridge and other bridges look small. I am not using the George Washington bridge for political purposes. I wouldnt do that. It makes it look small time. They are building massive highways, massive roads. I was in dubai. Great place. They have an airport, it is like magic. The most incredible thing you have ever seen. You go to qatar, you go to all these places. We land at laguardia or kennedy where they have hangars that are falling down, rotting and rusting. It is such a shock. We go to kennedy. We go to florida, whatever. You get used to things. When your house gets dirty. You say it looks okay. These are so bad, these airlines are so sad. You look at the age of our infrastructure. Look at all of the different things. Even the airplanes. They are a tenant of mine, qatar they like qatar. They asked me to go to a dinner and i said i cant. They said we will pay you a lot of money. As rich as i am, it was a lot of money to have a dinner. Like a tremendous amount of money. I said, ill go. [laughter] you have to understand. You can be really rich, but if youre going to get hundreds of thousands of dollars to have a dinner two blocks from your house and you dont do it, it is time to retire. Do you agree . I went. It was so amazing. I said to the head man of the airline, what is the average age of your planes . He said about a year and a half. The average age of some of our airlines, 32 years. 15 years, 28 years. And you see it. I said how do you finance your planes . He looked at me like finance . We dont finance. We pay cash. Saudi arabia. I was impressed. It wasnt a question. When i went to qatar, i went into an Airline Terminal that was the most beautiful terminal i have ever seen. Ever. The most magnificent. They had lounges, they had spas. They had spas, before you get on the plane you can get a massage. Im not into that though. I dont like people touching me. [laughter] its true. Its true. They have these magnificent spas. I said this to the head man, this is the most beautiful Airline Terminal ive ever seen. He said no. This is temporary. Our new one is being built over there. He pointed and there must have been 40 cranes. This was a tear down. I said, we are doing it wrong. Saudi arabia, i have good relationships with saudi arabia and mexico, as i do with everybody. They all buy apartments from me. They pay millions of dollars. Am i supposed to dislike them . China. I sell apartments for 18 million. Some of the cheap ones are 10 million. I dont even bother to sign those contracts. I get it from saudi arabia. From japan. From everybody. I love these people. The problem is mexico, i love the mexican people. They have tremendous spirit. Tremendous spirit. When i opened, as Rush Limbaugh said, trump has taken more income than any human being ive ever seen. The press changed my statement. They used half a sentence. It turned out i was right. I was talking about illegal immigration. It turned out that i was right. With all of the problems happening. When you look at saudi arabia, when you look at mexico, they are taking over. Nabisco is closing a factory in chicago. They are moving to mexico. This big factory. 1200 jobs going to be lost in chicago. No more oreos. I dont like oreos anymore. They announced. They are doing other things. It is great. Mexico. If you can get away with it it is great. I have such respect for the leaders of mexico and their negotiators. I dont dislike them. The biggest bank in the world is a tenant in one of my buildings. It is an incredible bank. Citibank is a tiny subsidiary compared to it. I never have to worry about the rent. I love these people. Apartments. With mexico i have hired thousands over the years, thousands from mexico and lots of other places. They are incredible people. The problem is, their leaders are smarter and sharper, and more cunning. They are much more cunning. The word cunning is important. They know what is going on. They are whipping us left and right. All of these countries. Frankly, i could mention 100. We dont make good deals anymore. One of our great dealmakers, carl icahn. Good, smart guy. I had dinner with him and said carl, if i do this, and im doing well, are we leading in every single poll . [applause] and it is the talk of politics. It is a great honor. We have to get there. I dont want to talk about it, i want to get there. I was called by one of the biggest journalists in the world. He said mr. Trump, could i ask you a question . How does it feel . How does what feel . You have done something that nobody else has ever done. You have taken over television, the airways. It is the summer of trump. They are calling it the summer of trump. [applause] this is a highly respected guy. I said i havent done anything. I havent won. If it all happens and i dont win, it starts with one in the primaries than going on and winning. I consider it a waste of time. He said you are wrong. You have done a great thing. Trust me i wont be happy. But we are all doing well. Think of this. If you look at saudi arabia, and they make a billion dollars a day. A billion dollars a day. Ok. When they have a problem we send over ships and planes. I dont mind doing that. They have to help us out. They have nothing but money. They are wonderful. They are wonderful. I love they are investing in the United States and i love their investing in new york. They have to help us. We are a debtor nation. 19 trillion. Massive unfunded liabilities. We are a nation that is in serious trouble and it is going up rapidly. Obamacare is a disaster. Its a catastrophe. [applause] it has got to be repealed and replaced. First of all, your premiums. They have gone up. Your deductibles are through the roof. Unless youre hit by a tractor. It is true. The reason i mention tractors, japan has a great leader. Abe. Hes a killer. Our negotiator is carolyn kennedy. She got the job by going into the white house and saying i have nothing to do. This was on television. Shes a nice person. My daughter ivanka likes her. My daughter is great. My daughter likes her. She said she is a nice person. I dont want nice, i want a killer. We are tired of the nice people. Mr. Trump, a woman who was a fan, i dont know if you have the personality to get elected. You are not a nice person. Actually i am a nice person. I love helping people. You watch. I will help on Womens Health issues more than anybody he said i dont twoont fund Womens Health issues. He didnt want to fund. Thats worse than romneys 47 which probably cost him the election, along with other things like he forgot to campaign. He forgot to go on television for about three weeks. But we have to do something, and we have to do it fast. And if we dont do it fast were not going to have a country. Now, speaking of that, speaking of that, its funny i got a great review in a speech the other night. They said his only problem is he speaks through his applauns. You know why . I dont have time to wait for the applause. I want to do it. Its true. Hes a great speaker he does beautifully, hes not scripted. Suppose i was reading all this stuff with the teleprompters. I actually said if youre running for president you should not be allowed to use a teleprompter. Its true. Ts so easy. You walk up, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, hello. No, no. You shouldnt be allowed. Because you dont know what youre going to get. Look what happened with bome. Hes a telepropertier guy. Hithes true. Huh . Youre right. You dont want a scripted president. And you dont want a politically correct president , because it takes too much law. Takes too much time. Its true. You dont want this Political Correctness stuff. Now i hear theres a certain college. I wont say its in your state, but they dont want you to differentiate between a man and a woman. You heard about this one. Right . If that ever passed im gone. Thats too much. But the things that are happening are so crazy. And you talk about political. You probably heard about the little debate we had just recently. If i were politically correct during that debate i would have probably gotten clobbered but instead we won the debate. But boy was that a hell of a time. Was that incredible . Has always had like 2 million, 3 million people. The first debate every four years. 24 million people. And probably going to go up much higher than that when the final numbers come in. Do you think they were there for jeb bush or rand paul . Rand. To here. To here. Its funny, though. Because rand paul sit down ill ask you a question. You want to ask a question. Thats ok. Hes a good guy. Ive seen his face before. Ill take your question. One second. Wait. So rand paul has been hitting his poll hes like is going down. Weak on military. Can you imagine today being weak on the military . I have a friend this friend didnt even want to talk about military. Now hes become worse than me. Hes become this total incredible hawk. And thats great. So rand pauls weak on the military. Hes weak on immigration. Hes weak on everything. Hes got no numbers. So all of a sudden i see him and he called me up, he said, id love a year ago. He wants to play a round of golf with me. No. Dont tell me. So im actually a good golfer. I killed him. Ok . If i didnt i wouldnt say it. But more importantly do you think you could do me a favor . Could you contribute to my eye center in i said you know what do they do . Yes. I gave him a lot of money. Im not i just gave him a of money. Sudden i see him choppying on the stage. Who is that over there . That person . Who is he . And now hes going around saying like bad things, whatever. And the beauty is this. Nobody ever attacked me like senator lindsey sudden i see hi choppying on the stage. Who is that over there . That person . Who is he . Graham. What he said. He went from 1 to nothing. Its true. Nobody ever attacked me, nobody, like perry of texas. Who, by the way, did a lousy job at the border. The guy was governor and he keeps talking about the border. You were governor of texas. Why didnt you fix it . The new governor is doing much better than him. But we wont say that because hes actually a nice man. And he didnt like it when he said you have to pass an i. Q. Test to come up on the stage. He said to me donald trump is keeping a senator by the way, a failed senator off the stage. Wait a minute. Went to the best schools, great student, went out made a for tune, did the apprentice one of the most successful shows on television ever, nbc renewed it. I said im not doing it. Renewed it. Came to my office four months ago, please do it. I said im not going to do it. Were going to make the country great. Im going to run for president. I wrote many best sellers including many best sellers including trump the art of the deal, which was about the number one selling business book of all time. Hes got it. I said the other night my second Favorite Book. I said the other night. My second Favorite Book. My first Favorite Book the bible. I did not ask him to stand up. I got my biggest him the other night when i said that. I said my Favorite Book is the bible. My second Favorite Book is the art of the deal. But anyway, so, these people they went down. So, now i have, i have a new guy coming. Its rand paul. Carly was nasty to me. The careful, carly. I cannot say anything to her because she was a woman and i do not want to be accused of being tough on a woman. I cannot do that. Women, am i allowed to fight back . Am i allowed . She has been nasty to me. So i promised i would not say i said to myself. I promised i would not say that she ran Hewlett Packard into the ground. I said i would not say that her stock value tanked. She laid off tens of thousands of people. She got viciously fired. I said i will not say that. She then went out and ran against Barbara Boxer for the United States senate in california. A race that shouldve been one and she lost in the landslide. I said, i will not say that, ok . All right . So i am not going to say it. So our country has tremendous potential. We have to take back our jobs rom china and all of the other eople. We have to renegotiate our trade deals by getting people like carl icahn. We have the greatest dealmakers in the world. Carl is very busy. I called impaired he said, you are doing great. Tough guy. Every poll, you are doing amazing. Just relax. If i win, you take china. Ill get somebody else to take this one. We will have our best. These people. Carl is a nice guy. Some of them are not nice. Some are horrible human beings but they are the greatest in the world. Do we want nice people or do we want these horrible human beings negotiating . Horrible. I want the horrible ones. We will make great trade deals. We will save Social Security without cuts. E will come up with Health Care Plans that will be phenomenal, phenomenal. That will be less expensive. We have to get rid of the artificial circles. I call them the Insurance Company circles. You know what i mean. We have to get rid of the artificial circles wrapping around the states all paid for by your local insurance companies. Because the have monopolies. I have a huge company. If im in new york, i get no bids. I get one bid. I go to new jersey. I go to california. I go to florida. Theres no bids. Because they have monopoly. So, they would rather have monopoly than be able to monopolies. I have a huge company. If im in new york, i get no bids. I get one bid. I go to new jersey. I go to california. I go to florida. Theres no bids. Because they have monopoly. So, they would rather have monopoly than be able to negotiate all over the country. They would rather have new york sewed up than have competition with a have to go and work for their money. That is over. Thats over. Thats over. And you have phenomenal plants for much less money. Insurance companies will not be happy but you have to they give to jeb. They give to hillary. They get to everybody. I do not want their money. I was called today by the biggest lobbyist. He said, donald, i would love to make a major contribution to your campaign. I do not want your money. No, you do not understand. It was like he never heard this before. He said, i want to get 4 million. You are leading in all the polls. They have to protect, trump wins, they have got to protect themselves. I said, you are front a month or it i do not want your money. Because what he is going to do we have to renegotiate our trade deals by getting people like carl icahn. S if i win and when one of his companies has a problem, im going to do what is right for the people of the country. Im not going to do what is right for him and his people. So you have the special interest people and you have the donors. Will tell you nobody is going o control us. Companies has a problem, im we want it built in iowa. How does it help us . How does it help us . You go to the great Business Schools and you do really well and then you come home and say, lets figure this out. Theyre going to spend 2. 5 billion building a plant in mexico. Theyre going to make cars, tracks and parts and ship it back to the United States. How does that help us . We get no tax. So, when jeb becomes president , if that ever happens, or when hillary, if that ever happens, or when hey, it can happen, folks. I think it is unlikely but if jeb became president , when they say mr. President , it is very bad that ford is building in mexico. Ok, we will do something. Let me go to sleep first. We will do something about it. As soon as he says we will do something, he is not stupid. The lobbyists will call him. They gave them some of this 114 million. And the special interest. We have stock in ford. We want ford to do what they want. Nd the lobbyists will go up to him and say, mr. President , you cannot do this. These people gave you 2 million. Thats right. And they will build happily and they will have a nice plant and we will lose thousands of jobs. Terrible. What i say is different. They will call me to but i would not even take their call. Some of them are actually nice guys. Ill say no. By the way, i hope the press calls carl icahn. Hes wealthy. They all want to do it. A guy like carl icahn is worth many billions of dollars. He wants to do it. Its more important to him he does not know how many deals can you do . The great deal is this country. We have to make this country rich. And then we have got to make it great. And i said the same thing to others. They come to trump, i would not call any of these guys because they are too easy. He woke me up, mr. President , we really want to build this plan to mexico. I said, congratulations but youre not going to do it. Thats ok. That we are going to charge to charge you a 35 tax on every car and truck and part that comes into our country. Every single one. 35 . He says, you cannot do that or trust me. I can do it. What happens its probably they fold before 5 00. It could be they will play tough and wait until the next day. I say they fold before 5 00. The reason i would not waste the time of the killers i told you about, the great negotiators because this is too easy. This is a couple of phone calls. So, what happens now is the next day they will call up. And they will say, please. I say, no, i want you building in the United States. That is the way it is. And they will say, mr. President , we are building our plant in the United States. Its that simple. Its that simple. Who would let nabisco nabisco let nabisco go to mexico . Who would let these Car Companies in tennessee they were respecting a great deal with a major foreign car company. Built in tennessee. Going to be built in tennessee. Going to be a great deal. At the last moment, they announced they are not going to do it in tennessee. They will do it in mexico. Who would allow that to happen . Obama. Mr. Trump you are right about that. It will not happen with trump. Believe me. With trump, it wont happen. This guy i hope this question is worth it. This guy has been standing up for the entire thing. I hope it will be a good question. Go ahead. 30 years, ive had threats on my life and fox hasnt touched this. I have been in touch with kelly, too. Mr. Trump come on. Got to go. Go ahead. Theres counterfeit substandard parts and most of the Nuclear Plants mr. Trump in Nuclear Plants in the United States. Im not surprised to hear that. And some of them have come from china. When i brought this out the nrc, Nuclear Regulatory commission, accused me of conspiring to topple their agency, had me in federal court for six years. Now, right now you could do something for the state of massachusetts and New Hampshire. I just got back from chattanooga, too. Marines there. The security chattanooga, too. Marines there. Thing . By the way, he happens to be mr. Trump did i do the right right. You do not even have to tell me. I guarantee you that they have substandard parts in nuclear and airplanes, because they get them from china. What you get from china, you do not know what the hell you are getting. Finish your question fast. The the security the Seabrook Nuclear plant is empty now and the nrc said it is not required. Ok . Now, i got involved because i am in the nursing home profession. Mr. Trump i got to go. Wait a minute. Let me finish this. Mr. Trump i think your question is great. He is talking about counterfeit parts, to cut to the chase. We do not have to know what that you are in the nursing home business. Are you trying to talk to some of us about joining her home . We think your point is good. Give it to him. Good. Ill read it tonight around 1 00 in the morning instead of sleeping. Its good. Go, sit. Come on, come on. Good. Lets go. What a nice guy, right . Ey, he means well. Honestly, he means well. You do. Stand up. You stand up. This guy i love. Tell me, how bad are the vets being treated . You understand. Way worse than we understand. With 8000 veterans a year that cannot get access to care. Let me put this in context. 8000 veterans are committing suicide because of the incompetence and the corruption going on in the v. A. System. Those are just the ones committing suicide. Put this in context, that is he equivalent of a world war ii baton death march every year. Mr. Trump thank you so much. This is unbelievable. 47,000 veterans for all kinds of other reasons. No one is being indicted. No one is going to jail. They have been proven to cover it up. He just lost his job recently. When you are president , can i have your word that you will bring in the fbi and start investigating this v. A. . R. Trump it cant be. Great question. It cannot be just incompetence. Because it is so bad what is happening to the vets and the v. A. It is so bad that it cannot be just incompetence. It is got to be theft and a lot more than what we are hearing about. So i would do that. Thank you. Go ahead. Come on. I have to fight for this because my son is an active duty gunny sergeant in the marine corps. I will not let him walk into this nightmare like i did. Mr. Trump ok. I love it. Thank you. Go ahead. Lets take. Who wants to leave . Does anybody want to wait . No mr. Trump i have all night. Do you think you can fire some of these federal employees at the v. A. . Mr. Trump how about the epa . How about our common core folks in washington . How about common core in washington . Right. Good question. Yes, sir. Oung guy here. Im a Nasa Space Technology Research Fellow at the Massachusetts Institute of technology. Mr. Trump my uncle was a rofessor at mit. And harvard medical school. And i am a graduate of winnacunnet mr. Trump he is a smart guy. Go ahead. When you announced you were going to run for president you said that America Needs the trees again. Victories again. Mr. Trump we have no victories. When did we beat somebody in trade . We do not beat anybody. In my industry mr. Trump we are going to have so many victories you watch. Go ahead. In my industry, one of my biggest victories was putting a man on the moon. What do you think about putting humans on mars . Mr. Trump honestly, i think it is wonderful. I want to inbuilt rebuild our infrastructure first. I think it is wonderful. Go ahead. Yeah . Go ahead. Wait for that mic. Go ahead. Just shout. I have been a caregiver for 10 years. My husband has alltime a. My mothers head my mother has alzheimers disease. My husband has alzheimers disease. It receives 600 million from nih, while we are spending 153 billion in medicare and medicaid. What will you do to ensure that this devastating disease is a top priority . Mr. Trump i have so many friends whose family is devastated by all summers. By alzheimers. We can get an answer. There are some answers. Weve made les projects less progress the with hope. Yes, maam. Yes . I wondered you might speak from the heart and tell us what is your . Mr. Trump the people. Honestly, i have had such a great response. Somebody, one of my friends, thank you. One of my friends was asking me what was it like . I have been here a lot. We have done so many town halls and so different meetings. We are having so many people we need which worked out well. I am going to go see the other auditory where they did not have the great real estate. Im going to see the people outside that are waiting to see us. But the people of New Hampshire are amazing. Theyre like the people that built this country. They work hard. They are smart, industrious, and they love this country. They want to see it happen. They are great people. I was so honored, because recently everybody said that a walker would win iowa. And bush, whos falling like a stone, because hes kennebunkport . Tell me is that really so that is from a different planet, right . I do not get it. But they said bush hes being down big. And walker, you have to remember walker grew up a little in iowa. Became the governor of the adjoining state. They have massive deficits. They have very poor employment, new jobs. They have a lot of dissension. A lot of problems in wisconsin which is a state i love. But they have a lot of promise with her education. And with their debt. They are putting up tremendous debt. I was very nice to walker. I gave him money for his campaign. I get to anybody. I give a lot of money. He came up to see me six month ago. He gave me a plaque. You need some money . But he gave me a plaque. It was very nice. And then i was very nice to him. I cannot be mean to someone there are couple of guys running that have been so nice to me. I want to. One of his underlings said something nasty about me. I said, finally i can talk about wisconsin. It was so good. He plunged in iowa. And i am leading iowa big. We are leading New Hampshire big. You know, we are leading nevada big. What i loved about nevada. They did a second part at the poll. It came out last week. Everybody was in shock. I was not because i will bring jobs back into this country. I was leading all candidates in the hispanic vote. Everybody was surprised. Why . I employ thousands and housands of hispanics. They are amazing people but people were surprised to see that. North carolina we are leading by massive numbers. South carolina. We are leading everywhere. A poll came out 32 nationwide. Another one 24 , fox. People are tired of what is happening to our country. They are tired of being ripped off by everybody in the world. They are tired of it. You know he American Dream, we talk about it. And i used the expression a lot the American Dream. Look at all those cameras blazing back there. This is live all over the place. On fox, on cnn. I get up and i speak from the heart. I really do. Look, there is nothing. I speak from the heart. But but a big portion, not all of it, but a big portion of the media, the political media is so dishonest. They are really dishonest people. You probably heard me say i always say i like to save the American Dream is dead but im going to make it bigger and better and stronger than ever before, ok . I say it all the time. The American Dream is dead but im going to make a bigger, better, storm of it ever. So i go home a month ago. My wife some is speaking on television. And she said, darling, that was such a horrible thing you said. It was so nasty. I said, what did i say . You said the American Dream is dead. I said it is dead, but we are going to make a great. So i turn on television. I turn on television and i see it. It says, the American Dream is dead. Eriod. I said, that is terrible. It is dishonest. Ut the factis, a lot of people think it is dead. And it has got a lot of problems, no question about it. But we are going to make our country great again. We are going to do things with our country that are going to be so good and so smart and so spectacular. And we going to be respected by the world again and not laughed it like we are all a bunch of stooping stupid people. It is not going to go on any longer. We are not going to take it any longer. We are going to make America Great again. Thank you, and i love you, people. I love you people. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Were not gonna take it no, we aint gonna take it were not gonna take it anymore were not gonna take it no, we aint gonna take it were not gonna take it anymore r. Trump was that good . No, we aint gonna take it were not gonna take it anymore were not gonna take it no, we aint gonna take it were not gonna take it anymore announcer julian bond, a leading figure in the Civil Rights Movement and former chair of the naacp died last night at the age of 75. He had a long history of serving in the legislature and at the southern poverty law center. nlnlnlnlnlnl what has it meant for the Civil Rights Movement that you have been involved in for your entire life and still are as the chairman of the naacp, to have a black man in elected as president of the United States. It means the work we have doing since 1909 is worth it. The headline in the onion the day after obama got it, black man gets worst job in the nited states it does not mean our work is over. There is more work to be done. No one can believe that barack obama would be president of the United States if it had not been for the work of the and aa cp. The work done by these people and these groups. It was like vindication that all of this labor, all of this has been worthwhile. We are happy to do it and see the results of it. He spoke at our convention in 1909, im sorry. 2009. My wife is here in the front row. She serves many wonderful purposes. One of them is correcting me. Tags i am glad she did that, because i could not get it right either. He spoke to anyway, he spoke to our convention in 2009. He spoke to us as senator obama. He spoke to assess candidate obama running for the residency. He spoke to us as democratic nominee for the party. Aving him speak was a great United States if it had not been for the work of the and aa cp. The work done by these people and these groups. nxnlnlnlnlnlnll when he was first running, there were civil rights veterans who seemed to be resentful, particularly because he had not lived what they regarded as the black experience. I think Jesse Jackson was the most prominent of those who seem to be unhappy about him and that respect. In that respect. Is that important . It is important to note that reverend jackson came a strong supporter, is a strong supporter today, camp and vigorously for him and i am sure will be campaigning for him vigorously again when he undertakes his formal campaign for reelection. Many of those people who felt that way, i felt that he would make a wonderful president. As friends in chicago kept telling me, we have a great state senator who is going to be president someday. That he got to be a u. S. Senator. And they would say he is a u. S. Senator now he is going to be president someday. And we would say, ok. That he ran and iowa. And i thought, if he could win in the whitest of states, i would support him. He proved to me he could win. I was happy to support him then. African americans in the United States are still disproportionately suffering from poverty, ill health, poor schools, all of the other ailments. Ailments you have worked so hard to correct and in so many ways succeeded. But not in all of them. Is it harder now to argue for affirmative action . To argue for issues of that kind . It is a little bit harder because there is a feeling in the population that having elected a black man, all of hese problems have been solved and gone a. The remedies that solve these problems are no longer needed anymore. That is false thinking. That is not true. The effect there is a black man in the white house does not mean the country has become a wonderful place where everything is happy, everything is fair and equal. Has many people believe that, it is harder to argue for these things. Were are going to argue for them nonetheless. You can watch that entire interview at cspan. Org. President obama said today in part, michelle and i have anymore. That is false thinking. That is not true. The effect there is a black man in the white house does not mean the country has become a wonderful place where everything is happy, everything is fair and equal. Has many people believe that, it is harder to argue for these things. Were are going to argue for them nonetheless. You can watch that entire interview at cspan. Org. President obama said today in part, michelle and i have benefited from his example, his counsel, and his friendship. We offer our prayers and sympathies to his wife pamela, and to his children. Julian bond helped change this country for the better and what way to be remembered is better than that . I want to thank all the people of iowa who have been supporting me and helping the rest of the nation realize that we shouldnt let the professional class pick our president. A lot of people like to complain about america and the bad things we have done and the bad people who are here. When you stop to think about it, we have a lot of people trying to get in here. I dont see anybody trying to scape. It certainly was a great place of dreams for me. As a youngster i wanted to be a doctor, skip right over policemen and firemen and went right to doctor. I loved everything that had to do with medicine. I wasnt a very good student. We were desperately poor. There was never money for anything. The only time we could go to the Michigan State fair was when we got those special coupons you could get in free, but we did not have any money to buy any rides, any popcorn. I never tasted cotton candy until i was an adult, and it wasnt that good. Maybe they shouldve tried frying it. I had a wonderful mother who believed in me when nobody else did and made us read and as i read books, in particulars i read books about people of accomplishment, i came to a fundamental understanding the person who has the most to do with what happens to you in life is you, not somebody else. That liberated me, gave me a new lease on life, and things were going along well until i got to high school. Then i ran into the worst thing a person can run into. Its called peers, negative peers. That stands for people who encourage errors, rudeness, and stupidity. Thats exactly what they were doing. It doesnt end in high school. It continues throughout life. We have that problem right now with so many people who allow other people to think for them and do for them. We are rude and discourteous. You go to the comments section you will not get down five lines before people start card start calling each other nasty names and acting like it continues throughout life. We have that problem right now thirdgraders. It is very sad that we have allowed ourselves to degenerate into. I got caught up in that ear pressure and they are trying to tell you what kind of clothes to wear, who you should be hanging out with, i went from an a student to a b student to a c student. My great skip plummeting. Grades kept plummeting. I didnt care because i was cool. Ortunately i only wasted one year before my mother made me realize it wasnt the close i wear. They were calling me every name i could imagine but i would always shut them up by saying, ets see when you are doing in 20 years and lets see what im doing in 20 years. They must have believed me, 20 years and lets see what im because when i graduated from high school they all voted me most likely to succeed, which means they knew what was important. They were too lazy and trifling to do it themselves and they wanted other people with them. I got back on the right track. I wanted to be a contestant on my favorite tv show, g. E. College bowl. Ok, there are some old people here. It came on every sunday. They have four contestants on each team, two different colleges, and they would ask questions about science, math, history, geography. They would also ask questions about classical arts and classical music. There was no way you would learn classical art or music at Southwestern High School in innercity detroit area in my high school if you said something about van gogh, they wouldve said, put us in it, the fan will van will go. I made an executive decision i would get on the us bus day after day and travel down to the Detroit Institute of arts, run through those galleries and two i knew every picture, who painted them, listening to my portable radio, mozart great kids in detroit thought i was nuts. A black Kid Listening to mozart and i tried to convince them that the mo in motown was mozart. I even tried to decide which college i would attend based on that show. I was going to apply to the college that that won the grand championship at the college bowl. Yale demolished harvard. I applied to yale, and fortunately they excepted me with a scholarship. I was gung ho i would you contestant on college bowl. The year i went there was the year the college ball went off the air. Years later when i decided i wanted to be a nero surgeon i said, what is the best choice for a euro surgeon . John hopkins. They only took two people a year out of the top 125 applicants. Going to get to be one of them . The fellow was also in charge of Cultural Affairs at the haas. Hospital. The conversation turned to classical music. We talked about conductors, orchestral falls. There was no way he wasnt taking me in the program. I tell young people all the time, how important it is, how vitally important it is to learn everything. You never know what doors will be open for you. People like to pigeonhole and categorize people. Carson, hes a nero surgeon great hes probably gifted. But hes an idiot savant. Thats what they think. With the kind of rains they have brains god has given us, we dont have to limit ourselves in any capacity whatever. The human brain is the most magnificent organ system in the universe. It remembers everything youve ever seen, everything youve ever heard, can process more than 2 million bits of information in one second. Ow many people remember your birthday . What did your brain have to do for you to respond to that question, almost immediately . First of all, the soundwaves have to travel through the air to the tympanic membrane which traveled from the cochlear nerve to the cochlear nucleus n and on and on it goes. The point being, your brain is so sophisticated. So many things happen for you to do almost nothing. Can you imagine what the human brain can do if you really concentrate on it . I believe that we, the American People, have the ability to solve the many problems that face us. I think immediately about the things that threaten to destroy us, like the divisiveness going on in our society. We the American People are not each others enemies. The enemies are those people who are trying to make us think we are each others enemies. But we have to be smart enough and just because you disagree with somebody about something it doesnt make them your enemy. Somebody that you need to smear and try to destroy their lives and all of these things that are going on in our society. I always say if peta people agree about everything, one of them isnt necessary. If one of two people agree about everything, one of them isnt necessary. The problems that threaten to destroy us as a nation, they are not in a credit problems, they are not republican problems, they are american problems versus unamerican. We are americans first. It makes all the difference in the world. There are many who do not want us to realize that. The other thing we can easily solve with our complex brains are the fiscal problems that face us. We are in the process of destroying the future for the next generation. I spent my whole professional career looking out for the welfare of children. And believe me, i was looking forward to retirement and putting my feet up, but i really couldnt knowing what was going to happen to their future if we continue down the ame route. It has been both democrats and republicans who have been blowing up the budget and destroying the future for our young people. We hear about the national debt, 18. 5 trillion to 19 trillion. To pay off 18 trillion at a ate of 10 million a day, it would take you more than 5000 years. That is what we are putting on the backs of our young people. Would take you more than 5000 as Thomas Jefferson said, that is immoral. Thats the good news. The real problem is the fiscal gap. When you go home today, look up the fiscal gap. That is the unfunded liabilities that the government has. Social security, medicare, medicaid, all the governmental programs, all the stuff we owed Going Forward versus the revenues we expect to collect. Those two numbers should be identical if you are responsible. Together its called the gap. That number sits at 211 trillion. I announced that when i made my announcement for running for president in detroit and the next day leftwing media said, what is he talking about . Hes crazy. The day after that forbes came out with an article that said 1200 economics professors agree with carson. That put a stop to that. The fact of the matter is the only reason we can sustain that kind of debt is because we can print money, which we are doing irresponsibly. That is a privilege that generally goes with the number one economy in the world, which we have been since the 1870s until very recently, last year when china took over. How much longer will it be that we can print money . If we cant and we have that level of debt, guess what is going to happen . It will be much worse than 1929 and the stock market crash. You never hear any politicians alking about this, but im not politician, so i can talk about it. They want to get reelected. I want to save our nation. I think together using our brains, we can save our nation. One of the really cool things i learned as a neurosurgeon, one of the cases of conjoined twins we were doing, they were joined at the top of the head facing n the same direction i made n executive decision, we had the number one nero surgeon in the department with people who were terrific in vascular nerve surgery and tumor tissue separation. We had a host of the best of the best. Rather than me just doing the operation and getting the credit, i got 18 of the nero surgeons involved neurosurgeons in and we slotted them in when we got to the point in the surgery where they would be the expert. That is what can happen when you dont care about who gets the credit, you just want to solve the problem. I have been fortunate enough to meet all kinds of incredible eople in this country, and they are willing to help. They are willing to turn our government from an inefficient he must do something that operates like an efficient business. I spent many years in the business world. 18 years on the board of kellogg, 16 years on the board of cost so as well as starting National Nonprofit and being chairman of the board of a iomedical group. What that experience has taught me is that there are a lot of people who are truly geniuses when it comes to business and running things. There are people in other areas we have to take advantage because that is what it is. That is why we are called the United States of america, because so much because we have so much talent and if we focus it on the right way and stop worrying about me being right and you being right in my way or the highway, we will be a different nation. We have to stop listening to these people who tell us that we cannot talk about god, we what that experience has taught cannot talk about our faith. I wonder, do they realize that our founding document, declaration talks about certain inalienable rights given to us by our creator, aka god, do they know the pledge of allegiance reflects we are one nation under god, that many courtrooms on the wall say in god we trust, every coin on our in our pocket, every bill in our pocket, but we are not supposed to talk about it. What is that . In medicine we call it schizophrenia. Its time for us to realize there is nothing wrong with iving by godly principles, aring about your neighbor, developing your godgiven talents so you become valuable to the people around you, having values and principles that govern your life. If we do that, not only will we remain a pinnacle nation, but we will have one nation under god, individual with liberty and justice for all. Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Thank you. [inaudible] something about term limits. I think the reason term limits were not included in the constitution was because it was such an incredible sacrifice to serve. But it has become quite a cushy job. So now we obviously are going to have to adjust to that. I believe very strongly in term limits. The kind of term limits that i would suggest would lengthen the term, lets say, for a representative from two years to eight years. They could be recalled every two years though if they were doing a horrible job and they could never run again. The same thing for senators. Only have one term for the president. You could make it a sixyear term. But when people get in and start running for office the very next day it doesnt make any sense. And i believe it should extend to judges also. When we put lifetime limits in for judges, the average age is 47 but that has increased quite significantly since then and we need to also have some judicial oversight of the appropriate type so that we dont hamper their independence but at the same time we dont have a system where we have an oligarky where few people are making decisions for everybody. What about the Supreme Court . The Supreme Court is one of the ones im talking about. Yes. Absolutely. Do you have a plan to fix the criminal Justice System. Well, thats a big system. The criminal Justice System is huge. The prison industry and thats what it is one of the biggest and Fastest Growing industries we have, we have 5 of the population of the world but 25 of the inmates. So that tells you that theres something wrong. One of the things we do is put people in prison who have done and s that are not violent dont require that they be sequestered. But they go to prison which is like a university for criminality and the next thing you know they are let out and now they have relationships that lead them into a life of crime and violence. We obviously are going to have to examine that very carefully. And find better and different ways to punish people who dont eed to be in prison. How about the fiscal gap . There are a number of thing that is have to be done. Recognize first we have the most powerful economic engines that the world has ever known. Now, a good example of somebody who did close the fix gap is italy. A few years ago they were in the same boat as greece. But they had the courage to dramatically raise the the ment age and cut Retirement Benefits by 40 . A little draconian and the people were not very happy but they recognized where they were going without doing that. Well, the only reason that we can do it is because we can print money and were going to terrible shape, even worse shape than they are, terr because there is nobody that can bail us out. Ow, what do we have . We have enormous amounts of energy. We have these archaic energy rules that prevent us from doing it. We have the ability to lick if i natural gas which means it can g exported. We can make europe dependent on us for energy instead of crude for energy and at the same time drive down our debt. We can also by developing our petroleum energies, our fossil fuels, we can generate money for research into alternative and to clean energy. Those two things do not have to be at war with each other. And the Environmental Protection agency should be ed to work with business industry academia to find the cleanest and most environmentmently friendly way to utilize our energy not to suppress the use. That will help tremendously. But to do smart things by looking at the fact that we Corporate Tax rate in the world, in the developed world. And of course thats going to drive business out of here. But if we i would do a sixmonth hiatus tax free so that they could repatriate the over 2 trillion that is sitting over there. The only stipulation i would make is that 10 of it had to be used for job creation for people on welfare and people who are unemployed. You want to talk about a stimulus that doesnt cost us one penny and does a tremendous amount of good but it also begins to get our businesses, our corporations in the mindset of recognizing that the people around them are resources. And theyre resources that need to be developed because we only have 330 million people. China has over 1 billion, india has over 1 billion. E have got to begin to develop them. Weve got to develop all of our young people. Change our mindset about that. Because for every one that we can keep from going down that path of selfdestruction, thats