Standards, those are all in there as part of the budget process. For me, those are significant challenges that certainly the white house has weighed in on but for me the most important thing is, we have reduced our staff level from over 18,000 to 15,000. We did this knowing that epa would need to get leaner but also do its job more effectively. We have done everything we can to get to be a leaner and more effective agency, but you are adding time when state budget is hurting. We do not have the level of protections for clean air, clean water, clean up superfund sites and transforming those brownfield sites into economic opportunities. These are standard things of the agency has done forever. Taking away a core budget does not just impact clean power plans and problems of the future, it definitely impacts our ability, which i think the general public has relied on, to protect the direct Public Health and the environment. We are not talking about worrying just about the problems of the future and the new ones today, but we are talking about threat to clean air, clean water. States call on us all the Time Congress call on this all the time when there are challenges in the communities. Who are they going to call if it is not epa . Ghostbusters will not answer the phone for this one [laughter] all right, weve got to go. And the ideal and regulations come out . They are in interagency reviews, so we will have to take a look. Thank you. Epa administrator Jean Mccarthy talking more about Climate Change yesterday at a luncheon hosted by the league of united button american citizens where she continued to outline the Obama Administrations plan to reduce carbon pollution. The solid tribune reports that administrative mccarthy made the case for why latinos, in particular, should be part of the fight against global warming. 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Guest what they are is a city thats basically ordered its city employees, includes their Police Officers and sheriffs deputies, to not turn over people that theyve arrested over to immigration agents. So basically a basically ordered its city employees, includes their Police Officers and sheriffs deputies, to not turn over people that theyve arrested over to immigration agents. So basically a lot of cops around the country will arrest people, the fingerprints get passed around. And these cities have said unless that person has an extensive criminal history, that you cant then hold on to them you get a lot of the major cities in the United States that have these historicically large immigrant populations like chicago, new york, miami. Pockets in the northeast. Some throughout the midwest. Theyre pretty scattered throughout the country. Host how is the federal government responded to these sanctuary cities . Guest its been an interesting thing to see this play out. Basically, for several years now these local communities have fought back against have become the sampingetri cities and fought back against the Law Enforcement program. At first the administration was very upset with this. Last year the department of Homeland Security secretary jay johnson in november actually eliminated a program called secure communities, which is the core of this partnership between local authorities and the federal government to enforce immigration, actually and has replaced it with a new program that isnt as astringent or overbearing. But now as we saw in the wake of the shooting in San Francisco, a couple weeks ache theyre fighting back and saying these local communities need to start cooperating with them when it comes to some undocumented immigrants and pose a threat to their communities. Host how do these laws work in these cities that constituents get to vote on them . Whats the incentive . Guest these cities cite several different factors. First, i dont know of any sort of voter referendum or anything like that that has been introduced. Usually its city council, in the case of california they pass add state law. But in essence what these communities are saying is that by using their officers to help enforce immigration laws, first it erhodes the trust with their local communities. If people think that by going to their local police they might run into immigration agents at some poim people arent going to report as many crimes. The other factor is money. What happens is the immigration Officials Say once youre done with that suspect, hold on to them for us for a couple of days so we can figure out whether we want to pick them up. Those one or two days add up over time. In miami david found that the county spent over 1 million. In Los Angeles County it was Something Like 26 million that they had to spend for those extra days. I know in some places like denver, they say that their jail was booked solid. They were overfilled and did not have the space to hold those folks. Finally whats going on, theres been some Court Rulings that find that these temporary holds called immigration detainers, basically the local cops will hold on for a couple of days based solely on a request from ice and a into immigration couple of Court Rulings have found thats unconstitutional that violates Fourth Amendment rights. So when you rulings have found thats unconstitutional that violates Fourth Amendment rights. So when you put all that together youve seen this growing number of communities around the country who have adopted these policies and now woor close to 300 communities around the country that have embraced this idea. Host so of the offense, does the government keep track or the local officials, of what type of offenses undocumented workers are commiting and ending up in the local jails . Guest i dont know if the federal government has kept track of this but ive studied this over the years in very different ways. And every Statistical Analysis has found that undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a far lower rate than sort of the native population here in the United States. Basically it comes down to this idea that if youre an undocumented immigrant living in this country your general principle in life is trying to avoid detection, avoid the spotlight of police, immigration officials. So the idea that a lot of them are going to start going on crime sprees are commiting crimes and exposing themselves to the possibility of being discovered by local police just doesnt fly. For example, a couple of years ago we did a study looking at crime along the southwest border back at the time there was a lot of talk about Mexican Cartel violence spilling into the u. S. All these drug runners. And so we crunched a lot of data from local communities along that border and found that actually the closer you get to that southwest border the safer that the less crime that there is. The safer that you are. And several journal studies over the last couple of years have crunched the data. Every single one has found that they do commit crimes than the native population. Host what about theres also a lot of discussion about drug, human trafficking. Whats going on there . Is that something that is largely in the hands of the feds . Guest that is absolutely in the hands of the feds. And thats going to be a very difficult thing. That border is nearly 2,000 miles long. For example, last summer if you remember we had that crisis of tens of thousands of Young Children who were single one coming by themselves or coming without their parents crossing over into the United States. So in that case, customs and border protection, all the federal Government Resources were focused on dealing with that crisis. We have a limited number of resources. So that meant that the border there are many places that these drug dealers and folks bringing stuff in like that can enter the border. So we always see this sort of shifting response from the federal government trying to kind of put out the fires along the border trying to stop the flows of immigration that are coming in for a while it was western yeas, the feds cracked down there. Now its the main source of illegal immigration is through the eastern texas border. So thats always shifting. But that drug flow thats something that has always remained pretty constant. Show our viewers some numbers. Take a look at the population in this country. Immigrant population. Here are the top five states for immigrants in 2013. Why those states . Guest look at california. That one is pretty selfexplanatory. For the longest time was the easiest place to get through the border over there. Look at places like new york. Historicically immigrant city. And because of its basically economy, its always drawn people over there. Texas obviously has a lot of folks right there on the border as well so easy to come across and settle. A state like florida even though its far from that border a lot of people end up there. Illinois. These places that just have these historicically immigrant populations. And theyre used to these waves of people coming in. So if youre coming from mexico and youre looking for work, youre not necessarily going to first look at somewhere in the midwest, somewhere in the southeast. Youre going to look at these Major Population Centers where its easier to blend into society and not be the one undocumented immigrant roaming through town but thats where the Job Opportunities is. And thats what drives illegal immigration into this country. Host all right. Eric. Go ahead. Caller good morning. Let me explain. Im an african american. Democrat. We are not for illegal immigration or immigration reform. This is in direct competition with african americans. And the black politicians dont seem to realize that two thirts of all hispanic that live in the United States live in two states. California and illegal immigration or immigration texas. Texas is solidly red. They do not help. They do not vote in these other states. Blacks, we make the difference in these states. But you are talking about illegal immigration. Also 1. 2 million are change their race to white in the last three years so basically what the democrats are fighting for, theyre fighting for these people who are illegal. They put them above african americans. And Ronald Reagan said it was not 3 million. It was at least 10 million. And now at least 30 million illegals. How can you count people illegal . These people talking heads on tv, this is why the democrats are going to lose. Host lets talk about this tension between the black population and hispanic population in this country and its idea that with immigration legal or not jobs are being taken away. Guest what you see in a lot of corners in this country is basically the higher the Unemployment Rate, the more upset they are with illegal immigration. Historically youve got ive give an example of senator jeff sessions. Hes been fighting this fight for a long time arguing that his state has a high Unemployment Rate and a lot of these undocumented immigrants are coming to work in the farms and ranches throughout alabama and competing directly with those unemployed americans. African americans have a higher Unemployment Rate. So theres that direct competition for those kind of jobs. And what happens is if you try to hire an american, a lot of cases youve got to pay them the prevailing wage at least the minimum wage. But with least the minimum wage, but with the undocumented immigrant yes, you absolutely can pay them in cash, you can pay them a lower salary, so a lot of times they end up getting these jobs. A lot of american businesses will tell you that they are turning to these undocumented immigrants not because of the salary, not because of things like that, but because they cannot find americans to do the work. I talk to ranchers throughout the country, and they say look, we put out the job offers to American Workers they just do not want to do that kind of work anymore. We saw throughout the southeast and southwest a couple of years ago in places like georgia alabama were cracking down on undocumented immigrants. A lot of undocumented have fled those states, and then what you were left with word literally fruits rotting on the vine because they could not find the workers to do the job. They are taking jobs from people who would otherwise want to do it, but there is definitely the aspect where American Workers are not used to the migrant farmworker life and are not doing as much as they used to any past in the past. Host madison, nebraska, steve, a republican. You are on the air. Caller hi. I was wondering, on 9 11 when he terrorists brought down the twin towers, the United States government ended up paying the victims of the towers all this money, and i believe that it was because the United States did not keep them safe or something. I cannot remember host steve, we are talking about immigration. How is this related . Caller an illegal immigrant take for example the lady in San Francisco who was shot by the illegal alien, how is that any different, how is she, being the victim, not any different from not being kept safe from the government the same way we paid out all this money to the people from the victims of 9 11 . Host all right, we move on to tom in harrisburg, pennsylvania, a democrat. Caller i am a liberal democrat. You cannot get more liberal than me. I would like an open border system, but that is another story. This has to be a tenant of any immigration reform, and i need this question answered, yes or no, if you are an Illegal Immigrants, and you commit a felony, you should serve your time and then be deported, never, ever, ever to be seen in the United States again. Host alan gomez, lets take that. Is that what happens . Guest that is one of the positions of the federal government right now. What they are trying to do and what president obama has tried to do since he came into office is to change the way that the immigration system pursued undocumented immigrants. Before, it was sort of varied. You had as much chance of being deported if you were a threetime convicted felon as you were with a traffic violation. The administration is trying to refocus their enforcement dollars on convicted felons, on protecting National Security on people who are members of criminal gangs. Over the years in the administration, they have increased the percentage of undocumented immigrants that they deport that have a criminal conviction on them. Last year, they got up to 85 of the people who were deported from this country, had some sort of criminal record. So they have definitely been trying to focus on that, but what you are seeing in some cases with these century cities they are not handing some of those folks over to the feds. That is why we are seeing that debate raging throughout the country on these policies. Host reaction from our audience on twitter, carol what part of illegal is hard to understand . Sanctuary cities are wrong. Try getting into mexico, a wrong turn can land you in jail. Edwards says yes, illegal immigration offers corrupt employers a way out from the responsibility to the american spirits to pay american. Alan gomez, i want you to react to this headline, julia in the New York Times says obamas plan for immigration action gets a cold reception at appeals court. What happened yesterday . Guest well, what they are dealing with right now is this program that the president try to answer to protect 5 million undocumented immigrants from deportation. A few years ago, he created a program called the deferred action for childhood arrivals program, and what that did was protect undocumented immigrants who are brought to this country as children from deportation. They were able to register with the federal government, provider information, and exchange if they had a clean criminal record, they were granted a twoyear stay legally in the country and a work permit. What the president did back in november was try to expand the program to a much broader population of people. That included a lot of undocumented immigrants who had children in his country in an effort to keep these families together, meaning they have a child, u. S. Citizens, were trying to keep those families together. It was a broad program to try to protect about 5 million undocumented immigrants from deportation. Their argument is they are trying to forget about that brought class of folks, if they have clean committal clean criminal records but they want to be able to do that so they can then focus their Immigration Enforcement dollars on those undocumented immigrants with criminal records. What is going on now is that program has been halted by a federal judge, first in texas so now it is going through that legal process. It is on hold as they challenge the president s authority to do that. Yesterday in new orleans, the oral arguments in the fifth Circuit Court of appeals, and they are excited to render a judgment over whether it will proceed, but this is a case that is expected to reach the Supreme Court is some point. Host this case a larger discussion about immigration policy on the washington journal and immigration, this debate sparked recently about the immigration population in crime by gop nominee donald trump, who is running for president. This is the front page of the dredger word drudge report this morning thousands are excited to attend his immigration speech. Donald trump will be in phoenix today talking about immigration. Andrew in ohio, democrat. Hi, andrew. Caller how are you doing . Host good morning. Go ahead. Caller i have a question. Immigrants you have been coming here, and it has been a big issue for some time about the immigrants coming to america. Now we have immigrants coming from various countries. Ifand nothing has been said about those things. Now, if they come with a visa, that is good, but if they come illegal, then in my estimation, they should be probably sent back. Not making a scene of them sent back to their country if they come illegal. If those that come here had committed crimes, then those people should be sent back to their country. Host alan gomez. Guest yeah, and i think that is a little bit of what we were talking about before, the idea of trying to focus on those undocumented immigrants that have a criminal history. If i remember correctly, when the Obama Administration came in Something Like 28 of the people who had been deported had a criminal history. They tried to refocus that priority, so now it is up to Something Like 85 of the people who are deported from this country who have some sort of criminal record. I can tell you there are all sorts of if you start digging into different communities, a lot of people say of the criminal record theyre talking about might include something was eventually something the person was eventually found not guilty of, so they think it is not really fair that they then end up being deported because of that process. But yes, the focus has shifted more toward getting the undocumented immigrants have the criminal history, that pose an active a security threat. Host florida rick is next. Go ahead with your question or comment. Caller yes maam. I really do not think we will be able to have a fair conversation about this until people actually come to the table with real facts. Now you have donald trump who is out there actually out steve kinging steve king. You have people that scream that the immigrants are taking black jobs, and i am down here in florida where there is a very big migrant population. I just dont see that. When i see people out in the hot sun digging a ditch, they are usually hispanic. When i see people out in the field taking the fruit, they are usually hispanic. And their jobs of the white folks and the black folks simply do not want. Host all right, rick. Dan, what do you think . Dan, good morning, you are on the air. Dan in arizona. Go ahead with your question or comment. Caller yeah, the caller before said we had an immigration plan it is just the problem that most people have is with the illegal part. For 200 years, we have allowed people in legally, and it is just overrunning the border. About the jobs they are taking away, they do take it really costs us i am a construction worker. I lost a lot of jobs because people are willing to do it for less. I hear people saying it is jobs americans do not want wont do. It is not that we wont do we just will not do it for that price. Host all right, lets take that point. Guest you talk about the idea of an immigration we have an immigration system. One of the reasons that you see such high numbers of undocumented immigrants in here is the fact that the immigration system is incredibly flawed in several areas. Yes, to some degree, absolutely, some american businesses have taken advantage of undocumented immigrants and used them to pay them lower rates and to not have to pay those rates that an American Worker would demand with the health care and other benefits, but at the same time there is a reason we have many undocumented immigrants here. Let me give you an example the h2a Immigration Program that is to bring people in from other countries to tend fields and harvest crops. I spent a lot of time looking into this program, and it is incredibly difficult i mean to get one worker in here requires reams of paperwork, months of work. You have to be able to predict six months to one year ahead of time what exactly you are going to need that person. You ask any farmer, they will tell you their crop will come in, it will not be exactly in 30 days. You need to have some level of flexibility to be able to bring in workers, move them along to other places when the work is done there. Formers across the country have told me how incredible the difficult and pretty much useless that program is for a lot of them. In that case, a lot of farm work in this country, that part i can tell you is true that American Workers do not like doing that work, as much as they did in the countrys history. That is one example where the system i think a lot of people on all sides feel like it needs to be reformed. When you look at hightech visas, other workloads, the other kinds of workers from around the world that need to come in, there are parts within each of those immigration streams that need to be reformed. The problem is congress has been unable to get anything done, has been unable to get together and really address all of these very basic issues that they need to do, so that is why we are left with this incredibly broken immigration system that is propping a lot of this illegal immigration. Host here is a tweet from one of our viewers what would authorization of all on document it immigrants due to our economy . Guest [laughs] oh man, we could be on our for quite a while. On the one hand, people think if theres a widespread legalization of undocumented immigrants, that letter a, they wouldthat a, they would pay taxes, they would get more education, they would get college scholarships, so the contribution they make to this country would be more than just working as a lead of the jobs that we usually associate with undocumented immigrants, you know working as nannies, house cleaners, things like that. If they think by legalizing that entire population, somewhat similar to what the president is proposing for at least 4 million or 5 Million People in a population, that it will improve our economy dramatically. On the other side of the equation, there are a lot of people that say no, it needs to be they need to be taken out of the country because they are already a drain on our social services. They are using our hospitals our public schools, and not contributing in a large or to those local communities. This is a debate that we could be here for a while going over the fine points of it, but generally speaking it all depends on your general view of undocumented immigrants, and i have found that a lot of times that is what is influencing how people perceived the effect of undocumented immigrants on our country. Guest we will hear from dan host we will hear from dan in ohio. Good morning, then. Dan. Caller i can remember when the Mexican Government released criminals near the border knowing full well they were coming into the united stat. Tes. So to act as though donald trump just made this up out of thin air is a lot of baloney. You know for a fact criminals have been released by mexico near the border so that they can cross into the United States. It saves them the trouble of housing them, it saves in the trouble them the trouble of the crime host dan i want to take that point because given what donald trump says, what are the statistics . Alan gomez . Guest yeah, i guess we lost him. I was mentioning earlier, every Statistical Analysis ive seen of criminality amongst the undocumented population find that they are far less likely to commit crimes than people who were born in this country, than legal residence,ts, than legal immigrants. What got so many people upset about Donald Trumps comments, nobody is denying that yes, absolutely, some undocumented immigrants commit crimes in this country, but the rate at which they do it are dramatically low so to characterize an entire population like that as rapists as criminals, as drug dealers as he did, that is just incredibly offensive to so many people. And from every thing seen, completely devoid of fact. Host twitter republicans want illegal immigration for the cheap labor. Eddie in los angeles, an independent. What do you think . Caller i am listening to this, and it is really appalling to think that the black man is not even mentioned, and if he is, it is mentioned negative, such as the jobs nobody wants to do. I wish you could possibly tell me those jobs. I am a contractor here in los angeles. I deal with this every day. You guys are big europeanamerican guys. They have books of illegals. Black men, contractors, they have to have all of their insurance is paid. As far as formwork, do you know about the agriculture bill . The lawsuit the black farmers had to bring in . Its over 20 years, 30 years to get the settlement. It is not that it is something we do not want to do it is a racist program dude, and you know it like i know it. Did not become illegal until after we started doing our rights and asking for different things. Than it became a problem that the black man had to be neutralized. To say it is jobs we do not want to do is disingenuous. Host all right, alan gomez. Guest we gave the example earlier of formwork. I use that of farm work. I used that as an example because some states try to rid their state of undocumented immigrants and they found that they could not get the workers to do the work, but the caller brings up one area of the American Economy that has absolutely been impacted them radically by been impacted dramatically by undocumented labor, and that is construction. As the Housing Labor has slowed down, through that process, it is difficult to compete in a lot of cases. If you come in, a lot of americans, as you mentioned being paid, fulltime salary, then you have immigrants who come in to do the work, that is hard to compete with. They will be able to be paid less, so it is going to be more lucrative. That is one of the examples, that is one of the reasons that shows why the immigration system needs to be reformed so much, to avoid those kind of situations. Host dave in denver, colorado on our line for democrats. Hi dave. Caller yes, hello, greta. This is dave in denver. There are a few things about how hispanics all hispanics are grouped with mexican, latinos. I am an american indian, i am not latino. I call before about that. The first caller group to us. The problem is in denver, there are so many latinos, they ran me out of business. I will agree with your guest they are just everywhere. As far as crime, just traffic tickets . Go up on the internet. The 10 most wanted people on in colorado, see where they are from. Host alan gomez, you talked on this earlier. Go ahead and repeat what you said. Guest um, which point . [laughter] look, i cannot say it enough every statistical announces i look at find that undocumented immigrants do not commit crime. Think about it, if you are an undocumented immigrant living in this country, you try to stay away from Police Coming try to hide, you try to keep your profile as low as humanly possible, so the idea of going out and committing a lot of crimes to draw the attention of police, which will then in turn draw the attention of immigration authorities, a it does not make sense on its face, and b, the numbers do not reflect it. Host minnesota, carol is watching from up there republican. Welcome to the conversation. Caller good morning. I am sorry, but i have to quote my husband. This man is full of dung. It is not true. Donald is going to be our next president because everyone i talked to is going to vote for him because his comments are right. What this guy is saying is not true. We lived in washington. We were around. Most of the time when we had to have our lawns done and our trimming done and everything done in our area it was not black gentleman who are doing it and white men from the mountains would come down a peg me for jobs, and i would spread it out to each person who can to the door down and beg me for jobs, and i would spread it around to each person who came to the door. Host carol, how do you know . Alan gomez is talking about statistics and research. Why do you think it is wrong based on what you have seen . Caller i do not believe your research. Like every thing else, who and where and who does the researching . This is not true. And he is a hypocrite because when we just that is if you make these legal, they can take the jobs host carol, i want to keep the conversation civil, so lets not accuse people of things. Alan gomez, where is this research coming from but you are looking at . Guest i apologize, i am not going to happen up the top of my head, but the Pew Research Center has looked at this in the past. They are a pretty reliable source of information on this. And there have been a couple of University Research papers that have looked at it. I apologize, i do not have them in front of me. But lets get back to this idea of donald trump. She mentioned that he is going to be the next resident. I think next president s. I think the interesting thing about his comments, what he did for this race is it forth a lot of of republican candidates to weigh in on his views. Jeb bush the other day was like all right, look, i am done with these donald trump questions because it has been so overwhelming, but has been instructive to see their reactions area on one extreme you have folks like texas senator ted cruz saying i salute donald trump for raising this issue and making it a priority, so obviously people like him are going to appeal to folks like the last caller we just had. On the other end of the spectrum, we have former florida senator jeb bush, former florida senator marco rubio trying to distance themselves as far as they could from Donald Trumps comments. Rick perry of texas saying what donald trump represents is not what the Republican Party represents. What we are seeing as most of the people in the republican race trying to stay away from what donald trump said because and this is a really important point, the hispanic population continues to grow dramatically. And i am talking about be completely legal u. S. Citizen, voting hispanic population in the United States. They continue increasing, and after the 2012 election, mitt romney got 20 of the hispanic vote. After that the Republican Party cannot is that it has to improve its standing dramatically with the hispanic population. Instead, what we are seeing is folks like Donald Trump Bashing the entire immigrant community and driving away a lot of those hispanic voters. Host alan gomez, i want you to react to what the speaker of the house had to say recently. He was asked about a shooting in San Francisco and what this means about the shooting debate. [video clip] Speaker John Boehner is has become the biggest political football i have ever seen in my career. This issue but immigration what to do about it. As i said last week, it is not want to get resolved by congress sticking their heads in the sand. If we want to resolve issues like what weve seen develop in San Francisco and elsewhere, we need to get serious about enforcing the laws we have. If we do not like the laws we have, then we need as a congress to sit down and resolve this issue, and i would like to get results sooner rather than later. Host alan gomez, what do you make about what the speaker had to say . Guest a kind of follows what he has been tried to do for the last couple of years. The Senate Passed a broad immigration bill that affected almost every area of our immigration laws. It dealth with the 11 million undocumented citizens, dealt with order security, and dealt with Immigration Enforcement in the entire country the house of representatives did not take up the bill. It did not debate it, Speaker Boehner do not allow it to come to the house floor. What they have been pushing for instead of the idea of first securing the border, refocusing our country even more on order security and Immigration Enforcement before we deal with those 11 million undocumented immigrants that are living in this country. So what he would like to do, and what you have seen from House Republicans for quite some time, is this intense focus on sending more Border Agents down to the southwest border. In some cases, they are proposing asked ending the wall that we have down there to make that border less porous. That is really their driving focus. The San Francisco shooting is for them another reminder that we need to focus on border security. The problem is, the reason they cannot reach any resolution in d. C. Is up the house has been very, very focused on border security. The senate and a lot of democrats have been taking a broad look and fixing the whole immigration system at once, so we have this constant stalemate where nothing can get done. Host in a Washington Post editorial, they think it is a political freeze. The gop paralysis as what they write. Gop lawmakers have thrown in their lot with an overwhelmingly white, aging constituency. The United States, ever more diverse, is changing faster House Republicans, fearful of that change, prefer scapegoats to solutions. Joey in wyoming an independent caller. Caller hi, good morning. I wanted to comment, mr. Gomez i feel like your research is pretty right on. I used to work for a company that did billing and Customer Service for some utility companies, georgia natural gas tmg, things like that. I found the Illegal Immigrants were actually the people who were most timely paying their bills, and if they do fall behind or something happened they attempted to rectify the situation immediately. They are trying to fly under the radar. They do not want attention, they do not want anything unnecessarily drawn to them to get them out of this country. I also wanted to add my own comment i feel like as americans, too often we blame the people here that are simply looking for a better life like their forefathers did however we try and fill in villainize these people and make them into demons when they are just looking for a better life. If we really wanted to fix the problem, we would go after the people employing the Illegal Immigrants, not the Illegal Immigrants themselves. Host joey, i want to talk about that last point, alan gomez, and talk about the employers. A tweet immigration is not broken, big business is happy with the current program. Guest i mean, yeah, that has been a really interesting evolution, if you will, the Immigration Enforcement system in this country. Back under president bush, we had what they would do our these big site raids. They would go to these big factories, these big chicken processing plant, and go in and kind of sweep the workers and blankets go over all of them and see who was there a legally there illegally and who is supposed to be there. Not much attention was put on the employers. When obama came in, they started putting a lot more audits on these companies to see who was willingly and knowingly hiring undocumented immigrants. We saw a bit of that any first few years. I do not think the numbers have remained steady, but when we look at this sort of comprehensive look at immigration reform, that absolutely has to be big part of it. You cannot just blame the workers for doing this, you also have to blame the employers for providing that work. Depending on what side of the debate you are on indicates who you are blaming in this, but there could be a way of addressing both sides of it if both sides could just get together and figure this thing out. Had to tucker talks about Cyber Threats and other vulnerabilities after the recent computer glitches that led to the grounding of United Airlines and a Halt Operations on the new york stock exchange. Also, a look at an effort to write the new no child left behind law with nina rees and philip global. We will take your phone calls and look for your comments on facebook and twitter starting sunday morning. Conservative pollster and author of the selfie boat on the trend the selfie vote on how Political Parties are buying for this emotional this critical block. It used to be people were focused on the television and political advertising became focused on ads up but technology has changed so that now if you walk in the room, not just of 20yearolds but 60yearolds, what are they looking at . They are looking at their phone. For folks in the political world to want to reach the next generation or into the future or understand what it will look like, things like candy crush or the latest game, candy crush may be fading but there is always something new popping up. Finding ways to get your message in front of people and where they are paying attention is really important. Sunday night at 8 00 eastern and pacific on cspans q a. The senate Homeland Security hearing on the current policies in place for unaccompanied immigrant children. After last years search that saw thousands crossing the u. S. Mexico border. Officials from the justice department, health and Human Services and Immigration Enforcement. This runs about two hours. We will open up phone lines into get your thoughts on immigration and related issues. Good morning. I want to first welcome our witnesses. I appreciate your testimony which i have clearly read and studied. The hearing is really called to take a look at one year back, the humanitarian crisis we experienced last year as unaccompanied children extreme crossed our border in record numbers. The flow has been reduced but i would still say it is almost that humanitarian crisis levels. I will ask for yunnan is i will ask for unanimous consent to enter the record. A piece of mr. Greenbergs testimony, i want to read a little of it. As soon as i find it. Mr. Greenberg in his written testimony says, in recent years, the nu children prefer to hhs is program was generally in the range 2 from six to 7000. He goes on to say, they fell considerably in the last year and it is still high relative to 2012. We have presented this chart a number of times. It depicts the dramatic increase in the unaccompanied children coming in primarily from honduras, el salvador, and guatemala. I do this from the standpoint of trying to lay out pictorially when did it occur and what happened . There is one dramatic event that occurred in 2012, it was called childhood arrivals and implemented by this administration, i know there is state denial saying that did not really cause this, it is a push factor but there are multiple factors, no doubt about it. I think it is really quite clear that the unilateral executive action and preferred action and deferred action on childhood arrivals was the primary cause for the search. What i want this hearing to talk about today is the incentives we create in this country, in our lives for people to come into the country illegally. We are a nation of immigrants. We need to recognize the fact that people are coming to this country by and large and are coming from the exact same reasons our ancestors came here. They are seeking the opportunity that this country offers people. We need to understand that, we need to, to a certain extent respect that if it is done legally. We cannot tolerate an uncontrolled border, and unsecure border, and integration process out of control that is based on illegal immigration. Have to really take a look at our laws and take a look at those incentives for legal immigration. Again, i would certainly look at deferred action childhood deferred childhood and that is from my standpoint what i want to glean from this hearing in the testimony and the questions that we will be asking. The serious issue, peoples lives are put at risk because of these incentives and we need to get to the bottom of this. The other point i want to make us the difficulty in getting the information to solve the problem. Part of the problem there is we have three different departments with five different component agencies dealing with this, and these children are passed from one department and agency to the other and we do not keep a real flowing record and each agency is charged with a certain responsibility in the process and there is just the overall coordination of everybodys effort. For my sampling, i do not believe we are truly enforcing the laws the way they were meant to. As a result, we incentivize the legal immigration. That has got to stop. I will turn it over to the ranking member. Thank you. Thank you for joining us today for your testimony. One of the things most of us care, whether democrat or republicans degree in common it is important we discussed not just symptoms of problems but we address causes underlying that contribute to those problems. As the chairman said, there is no one single reason why all these people decided to come up to our country in those last couple of years. I would suggest that one of the reasons why they want to come up is because for number of years they have lived collations lives. We buy a lot of Illegal Drugs appear. A lot of it comes to honduras, guatemala, and el salvador. We seldom guns we sell them guns and they are used on their gigs. The environment for job creation is not. Good and there is a lack of law. When we deport people, we do not always the report as in know maybe unaccompanied minors or families with children but adults who have given no records, we send them right back down and what did they do . They go to work. And it creates an even more dangerous and unappetizing and uneconomic environment. I have to keep that in mind. We contribute to thisvery difficult lives they have in those countries and we have an obligation to do something and i will talk about that in a moment. As the chairman says, we face humanitarian crisis in the southern border. 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