Republican party was born fellow conservative harris supporter adam kinzinger joins us. So does cassidy hutchinson and one of the three former trump white house staffers will make their own case against their old boss next week in pennsylvania. And tonight, melania trump selling her book and staking out a for different position on abortion from her husband and especially his party. Good evening. Thanks for joining us. They have politics, makes strange bedfellows tonight. That same notion also makes news just a short time ago in ripon, wisconsin, home of the republican party, one of the grant this names the grand old party campaign for the democratic candidate for president. Former wyoming republican congresswoman liz cheney, who like her father dick cheney is both a staunch conservative and now a harris supporter i cast my first vote ever in 1984 for ronald reagan i served in the state department in both bush administrations and i served in the united states house of representatives for three terms, including as the third highest ranking republican in house leadership so republican even before donald trump started spray tanning 20 years ago when we were campaigning in wisconsin and all across the country, we were campaigning as compassion senate conservatives what january 6 shows us is that there is not an ounce, not an ounce of compassion. And donald trump he is petty. He has vindictive, and he is cruel. And donald trump is not fit to lead this good and great nation every endorsement matters and this endorsement matters a great deal is and carries the specials, special significance because as you, as you said, we may not see the ai on every issue and we are going to get back to a healthy twoparty system. I'm sure of that where we will have vigorous debates cheney will also be making her case against trump next week in pennsylvania, along with former trump administration members, alyssa farah griffin, sarah matthews. And as i said, cassidy hutchinson who endorsed vice president harris last night policy is important. It's very important to me and there may be few issues that kamala harris and i would see eye to eye on the donald trump and jd vance cannot be trusted with the constitution. They cannot be trusted to uphold our rule of law. And they can't be trusted fact responsible policy because he hutchinson joins a shortly joining us now is mkela car who served as chief of staff to kevin mccarthy when he was house speaker before he was ousted a year ago. Today with us as well, cnn political commentators, bakari sellers and former republican congressman adam kinzinger. He's served on the january 6 committee with liz cheney and like her has endorsed by i suppose, and harris also cnn's kristen holmes, who's traveling with the trump campaign. So congressman, how important and maybe surreal is it for voters to see liz cheney up on that stage campaigning with kamala harris well it's, probably pretty, surreal. It's very important because again, if this is kind of the republican base, a significant amount or sold on trump and they're going nowhere. But there's an amount of republicans here that are embarrassed by him, but they still think there's some vestige of the old party left. And i just remind them as i'd remind everybody, look liz cheney, i mean, i'm conservative. Liz cheney makes me look like a raving liberal. She's extremely conservative. Are viewpoints haven't changed from when she was number three in line to for the party, she was the number third most powerful republican. When i was called a rising star in the party. So what changed? well, the answer this is really simple. We did not bow the knee and pledge allegiance to donald trump. So anybody that tries to pretend like somehow this party is the same party and this is the group we're talking to. You can't say that it's literally just do you commit to donald trump or not? and after what we saw, particularly on the january 6 committee and what we saw with the filing yesterday with jack smith, just guy is absolutely unqualified to sit again in the oval office and have nuclear codes bakari, i want to play something else that the vice president said tonight i know the vast majority of us, regardless of your political party agree we must hold sacred america's fundamental principles, no matter your political party, there is a place for you with us. And in this campaign, because those principles i know unite us across party lines. And in this election, i take seriously my pledge to be a president for all americans it is extraordinary to hear a democratic candidate making a statement like that with liz cheney standing you know, right next to her do you believe that there are enough voters out there who might be receptive to that message i think so. And i think that congressman kinzinger or adam, as i call them, actually hit the nail on the head because the simple fact is there a lot of people who don't get caught up in the partisan politics of washington hinton, dc they feel as if this country is better than what we've seen. They want it new elected officials. I mean, i don't necessarily quote nikki haley a lot. But nikki haley actually said that the first party to get a younger person, somebody who represented the future would be the more successful party. And i think you're seeing that the democratic party finds itself at an interesting crossroads today. I mean, you have the kind of ill fate of losing the endorsement or not gaining the endorsement of the firefighters union. But on the flip side, you see kamala harris doing something that is just fundamentally fascinating, which is one, go it's a place as democrats don't normally go, fight after every single vote and i'm not sure you've ever seen anyone cobble together a coalition that looks like bernie sanders, aoc, taylor swift, bruce springsteen and now you actually have liz cheney and her father as well as adding kissinger as well as geoff duncan. I mean, this is a coalition that resembles what the united states of america looks like. And it's led by someone who looks like kamala harris and just maybe that's a winning strategy. I mean, our fingers across mikhail, i want to play something else to that liz cheney said. So tonight in this election a broad coalition has come together to support vice president kamala harris now we may disagree on some things, but we are bound together by the one thing that matters to us as americans. More than any other. And that's our duty to our constitution and our belief in the miracle and the blessing of this incredible nation. The former president is trying to paint kamala harris as a marxist, a radical sounds a little harder after liz cheney and dick cheney endorsing her know now, look, if these endorsements are trying to be used to to somehow convince the american people that kamala harris is a moderate or anything other than the radical liberal that wants to raise taxes and wants to take guns in a mandatory buyback program, and wants to end the filibuster and wants to an offshore drilling. I don't campaigning about taking guns. Of course, she's not campaigning about it, but she also isn't denying it. Instead of being asked if she's still supports the policies that she has always supported, including a mandatory gun buyback. She says, i'm a gun owner, which is very typical to be someone who is going to inculcate themselves from the policies that they are pushing. But i just let's don't believe and there are people on this panel tonight. The disagree with me, but i don't believe that january 6 serves as a permission strategy to embrace radical leftist policies. And they're not conservative policies. And she's not a conservative person. Christian. I want to play. First of all, congressman kinzinger, do you buy this radical left attack on kamala harris not know. It's ringing hollow. She's made it very clear. She she's actually taken a lot of real estate that donald trump vacated he's not proud of america, the republicans aren't proud of america. They're proud of america. And their vision of 1950. And that's what they keep talking about, is that old america, but america is that exist today? no. And she's showing that american pride so look, i don't agree with kamala on everything, of course, but my we've argued the same issues for 100 years, anderson, we're going arguing for another hundred years. This is a unique moment in time. We're talking about our democracy. And after january 6, after mccarthy bowed the knee to donald trump and resurrected him, we've got to take a strong stand to save this party in the contract. Chris, i do want to play what former president trump told fox today about cheney's support for harris well, alicia, any lost for congress she was terrible. Liz cheney is a stupid warhawk. Oh, she wants to do is shoot missiles at paypal. I really think it hurts. I think frankly, if kamala i think they're hurt each other, i think there's so bad boss i, mean, is it clear how much if at all concerned cheney? i mean, could help harris on the margins in swing states i mean, do you think they're campaign is the trump base like this? well, in, a race like this where both sides believed that they could be determined in the margins. Of course, there's always going to be concerned that anything could swing a handful of voters, which again, could determine the outcome of the election. Now overall, the trump campaign doesn't believe that these the worst moments are hurting donald trump, but's much as republicans or democrats on the other side have said that it would, but there's also a belief that donald trump's base is a different republican party, that they had already discounted liz cheney, that they had been following along for the last three years as the former president's slam fani as they went back and forth after each other. And that this isn't that big of a surprise to those people. One thing anderson, that i cannot stress enough is the fact that donald trump privately understands that he's not going to get a lot of these moderate voters. He might say that he's trying to appeal to women, but part of the strategy isn't really going out for these moderate in the middle independent voters because there is a belief that they'll never vote for donald trump. Instead, they're trying to find these low propensity voters in areas that they believe would be leaning donald trump, leaning republican to try and expand the electorate, not go after a certain group of voters that they think that they've probably already lost bakari. How do progressive democrats like yourself? i think he would maybe a very progressive democrat. How can you square being in the same political boat is liz cheney? and dick cheney, i think the thing i think the thing that brings us together, the tie that binds us is donald trump and we understand that democracy is fragile. We understand we in the last four or 56 years, we've seen the fragility of democracy and understand that we want to preserve it. I mean, there are a lot of people in the this country who don't care about partisan politics. They put country over party. I mean, that's why when you say things like she wants to take your guns and rings hollow because the people who say that commonly harris wants to take your weapons or guns are the same people who have been waiting for barak obama and knock on your door since 2008. Those old partisan lines don't work anymore. When we're talking about making sure that democracy works for everybody. This is a choice election. Anderson, i've said this on your show before and i've said it repeatedly. People had three choices in this race. That's it. You have three choices. You either vote for kamala harris, donald trump, or the couch. Those are your three choices. And i think the two of those choices are detrimental to the future of this country in one choices, kamala harris now, does that mean that she's going to win this race? i'm not sure. She's still an underdog. But the fact that she's going to places in wisconsin, the democrats don't often go to the fact she's standing with liz cheney, but she's also talking about making sure that black men and hispanic men hurd. I mean, this is something that we haven't seen before in this last 30 days is going to be a sprint where she's meeting voters, where they are, and where she's going after each and every voter. No matter what you look like, who you pray to or what party you been a part of? mikela, have you ever seen a presidential campaign? where so many of the people who once worked with a candidate have come out cabinet members distinguished generals, former chiefs of staff liz cheney, cassidy hutchinson, alyssa farah farahgriffin, sarah matthews. So many people from the administration have come out with really terrible things to say about about donald trump. If you've ever seen a campaign where this has occurred i haven't i haven't seen that. I think one of the things that adam points to is that there is a bit of a realignment happening here. And kamala harris is attempting to take positions that were traditionally held by republicans. You do have in this instance, members of the democrat party endorsing trump, whether it's tulsi gabbard albert, or rfk, and we don't see that being talked about in the same context but i do think there are a lot of things that just to adams point that she is trying to claim as positions that she's going to lead on, but that rhetoric is completely countered by her record in public office. When to. Take a quick break at that point, just ahead tonight. 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I've never seen a promo like that her the video at least is by the book tonight her husband had this to say on the subject i mean, we spoke about it and i said, you have to write what you believe. I'm not going to tell you what to do. You have to write what you believe she's very beloved people love our former first lady. I can tell you that with your heart. I've said that to everybody. You have to go with your heart. There are some people that are very, very far right in the issue, meaning without exceptions and then there are other people that view it a little bit differently. I've recovered my shock back with makayla car and bakari sellers joining us. Cnn, kaitlan collins, who anchors the source coming up at the top of the next hour, she's also going to profile him melania trump and her democratic counterpart, doug emhoff, airing right here sunday night on the whole story. Okay. Kaitlan. So it is all shot and have a shadow, the dark. Yeah. I mean, it's fascinating never we've seen that before. So i usually just like due just on the camera phone but instagram. Yeah so the timing of this revelation, i mean, obviously, there is a promotional aspect to it. It makes a headlines. We're talking about this book, which we would not have been talking about otherwise what do you make of the fact that she has made the statement now yeah. Well, you can't ignore that. It's happening 30 some days out from the election in which abortion has been singlehandedly, the worst issue for her husband, for his party that he has struggled with when it comes to women voters and maintaining their support and growing their support, which hasn't really been able to do. But also, i think it has more to do with melania trump promoting her book that it is promoting her husband's presidential campaign. I think she has this book. She's been doing a series of videos like this, maybe none is dramatic as this one. But it's coming out in a few days and she very clearly wants to be able to sell copies to have this book be a bestseller. So that is why she's coming out and she's very strategic. She knows what will make news and what will get headlines. There was this report about from the log cabin group that she had received money 200 and something thousand dollars for an appearance at the log cabin which was the gay republican group. The like kevin said, they didn't pay for it, but somebody clearly somebody paid her you've worked on this documentary. I read that she had requested or somebody had not she but but somebody from the publisher had requested money for an interview. Yeah. We obviously we're asking for one anytime someone has a book, especially someone newsworthy as someone is maybe the future first lady is putting out a book you ask for an interview and her publisher sent a request to cnn for six figures in order to have what not just that, also a nondisclosure agreement, obviously, two things that you don't do for interviews. You don't pay the guest and you don't sign nondisclosures with them. But those were two things they wanted. Now, the publisher, when cnn went back and asked about it and was going to make this public, said it was mistake and melania trump's team has said that she had nothing to do with that, that she wasn't aware of it, but it is the exact same amount that she made when she spoke to that group at a fundraiser, $250,000. Obviously, cnn did not sign that. We just don't know the publisher was asking for $250,000 in order for her to do an interview with cnn. She's only done one national interview that i've seen so far to promote this book, which comes out in five days, it's with fox news that she did last week to talk about it and so i just think that's notable in and of itself, but it speaks to the larger part of this, which is that she's trying to promote this book to sell this book obviously, as people do to make money off this boat and so mkela, the former president, has obviously struggled over the course so campaign to articulate where he stands on abortion. We just heard them say people need to stick with their hard on it i'm wondering what you make of that stance for presenters candidate to be taken weeks out from an election or is that savvy? i think that's exactly where the country is. Remember, when roe was overturned, it was not anything other than putting the issue back in the hands of the american people back in the hands of the voter. For the candidate for the republican candidate to now say, i think people should make up their own minds is incredibly directly aligned with the position that he's taking he can and the republican platform that says this should be a state decision is i think more in line with where the american people are than the unrestricted position that the democrats are taking bakari, do you think this statement from the former first lady moves the needle for voters for whom abortion is important issue and maybe were on the fence about backing the former president no. I think that right now the republican party and donald trump on the issue of abortion are at best intellectually dishonest. And i think that's the best thing you can give them to say that the country is with the proposition that this should be left to the states is just fundamentally inaccurate. And the reason that that occurs and what happens as a result that inaccuracy or the result of that poor policy choices that women die. I mean, amber thurman is a case. I mean, you heard governor walz talk about that, but women die when you consider the fact that different states have strenuous those policies where either they can't get the care that they need or doctors have to risk prosecution because giving women the care they need and deserve donald trump and jd vance. The audacity of them to think they get to make that decision is just troubling. And donald trump is somebody who put three justices on the supreme court that overturned 50 plus but she years of precedent in roe v. Wade now i do want to talk about the bad lighting video for one second because they're grifters. Mean let's be 100% honest. They're grifters and the reason that you have someone putting out a book right now. I mean, it sounded like a good ad for kamala harris talking about women autonomy and everything else. But the reason you have people we're putting out a book right now is to sell it, is the same reason that donald trump is talking about loving working people, but selling hundred thousand dollars watches. I mean america has to turn the page on the grift. That is donald trump junior. That is that is melania trump and donald trump, former president i'm kaitlan. You actually take a look at an melania trump. What she was doing during the attack on the capitol during the insurrection in the whole story, which this documentary that airs on sunday, and i want to play a clip from that stephanie grisham by 2024 melania's chief of staff, a selfproclaimed former trump, true believer described her breaking point with the first lady on january 6 i asked malatia if we could at least tweet that while peaceful protests is the right of every american, there's no place for lawlessness or violence. She replied with one word no. I became the first senior staffer to resign that day because i was at the white house later, we would realize what she was doing was having a rug photographed a rug that she had redesigned for the diplomatic room that's what you did on january 6? that's that morning as that got day, her husband was delivering the speech on the ellipse and his rioters were attacking the capitol. She was during a photo shoot and i think at that point people could really understand who melania trump wants much more aligned with their husbands politics than people thought do you think i mean, she's fully on board with her husband's lies about the 2020 election. I think she's more like her her husband and more of a believer than people think. I think people sometimes view melania as this trapped individual who wants to break free and wants to get out. I think she has a lot more abuse that aligned with him than people realize and kate bennett, who covered millennia very closely at ahead. Another fascinating comment and that about her last days inside the administration, in the white house, she kinda was just walking around and terry terry bathrobe looking at what is called the swag room, it's all the gifts they get that they can buy and take with them from dignitaries and whatnot, that's really what she spent the last few weeks of the administration doing while trump was obviously seeking to overturn the election i did not know there was a swag room. Nord go off, throws a binder that you flip there and you can look at gifts that world leaders have given you and they tried to price them, which is it's difficult to do, and you can take them home. Kaitlan. Thanks for see at the top of the hour, mikaela car. Thank you. Bakari sellers as well, coming up next for us, former trump white house insider, newly announced harris supporter cassidy hutchinson here are the five things you need to know to start your day, get the news, you need. 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Liz cheney endorsing kamala harris does not stand alone. We also learned today that she and three former trump white house insider will be campaigning for her in pennsylvania next week. One of those women, cassidy hutchinson, her memoir enough is now out in paperback, and she joins me now. Thanks so much make the decision to endorse vice president harris the decision to endorse vice president harris for sicily. Very simple decision for me, especially after speaking out against donald trump and the dangers that he poses to our democracy i had also plans to support president biden if he were to want run for reelection. And i gave him a lot of credit for passing the torch onto the next generation of leadership in vice president harris. I i don't personally see eye to eye with her her on a lot of pomp a lot of issues you disagree with her on, correct? like liz cheney was saying today, which is healthy in our country, that is where our country is founded upon. We are in theory, but we have two strong political parties that's not what we're facing right now. And the quality of her character is what i'm voting for. We might not see eyetoeye on many policy issues, but i trust her to hold people accountable. I trust her to uphold our rule of law. And i trust her as a figure that out would be proud of my children looked at as a person to want to emulate. Same thing with tim walz in there, both from working class backgrounds. The people that donald trump claims to represent, but he is really in turn for the last ten years exploited and manipulated to become his base of supporters and it's not their fault that he's lying to them and continuing to propagate these conspiracy theories. It's interesting to hear. I mean, harris today saying we essentially we want to get back to two responsible political parties. Would disagreements understandably arguing over what's the best course which is i mean, it's strange to hear a person from one party saying, we want an opposite party that is responsible to disagree with us and fight us. But just not the current person who is running that party the republican party today that donald trump's party does it do you recognize it as the party? did you grow up in a republican family? did you grow up i mean, did you always view yourself as a republican? doesn't like the republican party you remember at all, i grew up in a very apolitical family. I was the first person in my family to graduate college, but at that point, i had identified as a republican the first republican that i had felt really that i can relate to was mitt romney that was first presidential election that i felt invigorated by and what drew me into politics the republican party today is in my view, completely unrecognizable from what it was 1012 years ago. It's been completely worked in tarnish in donald trump's image. And he has essentially elected a body of enablers in both the house and the senate to do his bidding. So as important as it is for us to focus on ensuring the heat does not ever get near the oval office again. In this next presidential election, we also have to focus on congress because if there's a chance that he wins, we need to make sure that there are not republicans and congress who are there to actually enact his agenda which we don't know exactly what it will be, but it's increasingly more dangerous. It is stunning to me, just the sheer number of people who worked in the trump white house in the cabinet chief, former chief of staff. I mean, generals, who are publicly saying like this, he can, he is not qualified to be president united states it's sunny, it's i'm not aware of there ever being a period like this in american history what i say to those people i'm very grateful that many of them have spoken out the reason that i personally continue to speak out is because i view it as a moral obligation to myself because i worked for him. I was very loyal to him. I really believed that he represented the american people and i was proud to work for him until january 6 and as this period has passed, where i've gained a lot of clarity and i see things now of his character that i had very easily overlooked and i don't say that with any prior to very ashamed of that. And a lot of ways but when i look at all that, is it is my responsibility to continue speaking out, to educate the american people because they need the information of who they're voting for so whether people worked for donald trump were friends with donald trump, had done business with donald trump it's our responsibility to keep a megaphone to this because especially through election day, because this can't be lost yesterday afternoon. And thank you so much. Really nice to talk to. Thank you for coming up. Couldn't latino voters determined to wins the battleground state of pennsylvania or danny freeman? on that of europe former first lady in the first second gentleman, kaitlan collins, takes a closer look at the potential for spouses. The history, and possible future of this iconic office the whole story with anderson cooper, sunday at 8:00 on cnn, a perfect day for a family outing shingles. Does he care, but she reads, quote techs, only shame he races proven over 90% effective. 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Voters reflects what our john king reported last month in his old with a master's from the data that a majority of latinos may back vice president, but inflation worries about the overall economy. And given excuse me debate. Minnesota governor tim walz was in redding, pennsylvania stopping at a puerto rican owned restaurants to boost support among the cities majority latino population. This is going to come down to what wall states pennsylvania might come right through this restaurant at the same time, just four blocks away, the trump campaign was holding its own bank, specifically targeting latinos in the lehigh valley or gas that president joe but reasons you are supporting that has on his left for million families dana an end of war, the dueling outreach, just the latest sign, both campaigns understand the importance of latino voters in the keystone state in 2020, president joe biden beat former president donald trump in pennsylvania by about 80,000 votes. But with this race, still extremely tight, the estimated 615,000 eligible latino voters here could easily help decide the november outcome. While recent national polls show harris doing better than biden was with latino voters, they also show trump outperforming pastor republicans among this group which in recent elections has solved fully backed democrats and a harris campaign event this week in allentown, another deeply latino city, there were plenty of voters excited about the vice president that this man told me he feels harris represents hope and will help small businesses but there were warning signs too, vessel without no no, that's okay. You're not going to stay home. You're going to vote have not made a decision i think we have too many people that are kind of like on shaking waters. They don't know where they stand to energize this community in pennsylvania, the harris campaign is turning to volunteers like yamilee said that the campaign featuring the allentown small business owner and mom in a new ad focused on health care this week, i believe we have a great shot with harriswalz however the campaign can do more. There are still so many people on the fence and having those conversations and knowing that there truly are a lot of people that can benefit from so much more information for their part, the trump campaign is turning to men like daniel campo the venezuelan born pilot recently spoke at a trump rally in northeastern pennsylvania, but campus said his biggest challenge when canvassing latino neighborhoods are people who feel the former president is prejudiced against latinos. How do you convince them to vote for him? so are you going to invite him to you're wearing are you going by him for your birthday party or your kid's birthday party, you have somebody that did the job and did a good job and you're hiring here again for that job. Journaling by him to your wedding danny freeman, cnn, allentown, pennsylvania and joining us now is able not dinardo, of former excuse me, a republican, former lieutenant governor of california in ana navarro, republican strategist voting for kamala harris. And i mean, you heard in danny's piece the last voter said he's voting for president trump and he said his pitch to other voters is you know, you're not invited him to your kid's birthday party. It's similar to an argument of we're not asking him to be the pastor and chief. He's the president what do you make that argument? well, i translate that to he's a jerk. But look look past the fact that he is a jerk or you wouldn't invite them to your wedding because you don't like him, you don't have to like them. We used to like our presidential candidates. It was they use there used to be a test somebody you'd like to have a beer with? well, trump doesn't drink, so that's a problem, right there. But look, i think what you are seeing with latinos anderson is and i'm and i'm sure i would say this to you because in both our families there is friction and there is division as to trump and harris latinos, are all over the place when it comes to issues, when we say you cannot paint the latino vote with one broad stroke, that's absolutely true. There are progressive latinos, there are conservative latinos, there are latinos who are prochoice or latino who are prolife i have found there is one thing that all latinas want. They want to be seen. They want to be heard, they want to be acknowledged. They want to be sitting at the table. They want to be reached out to they want to be part of the conversation. They want folks to come out and earn their support and their vote ever. What do you make of the argument that man was the pitch he was making two other voters to vote for trump, which is it's not maybe he's not the guy you want to invite your children's party or i mean that's not a great argument, is it like i mean, like on i just stated what what chief feels that latinos want, latino is also want to be able to feed their family. They want to be able to make their home home payment. They're rant they want to be able to pay for their insurance for their vehicles. And times have been tough and anderson, i think latinos for the first time in their history, they're going to be able to vote and they've seen both, both economies. They've lived under the trump economy and they've lived under kamala harris economy and for them it's become an easy vote from the standpoint of, you know, what, i lived better under donald j. Trump so i could afford and at the end of the week, i had a little extra money to take my family to get an ice cream on saturday or even maybe a dinner which latinos like to do and i think this is boiling down to economics. And then you add the border the border has been wide open lately. We know that. And people want to be safe. Latinos want to be safe when they put that deadbolt at home at night. They want to be safe at home. So that's the allure that they have. And i really believe him when i see these numbers, anderson a 48% for donald j. Trump, those are staggering numbers. Why? they don't see him as a politician. Do you think ended the argument that kamala harris is making about the border? i mean, obviously it's just come out with a speech in which he actually sort of drill down on it a little bit more but the the pivot to pointing out that the foreign president killed this deal, this bipartisan deal, is that enough of an argument for her to make look, i think there's many arguments to be made when i was out all over the country speaking to latinos, some of them told me they were very bothered by the tone i sat down with a family and coming georgia, where 10% of the population is latino in that swing state, where the young boy, who is now college told me about being attacked with racial slurs when donald trump was running. And he directly connected one thing to the other has donald trump was saying people were calling him horrible names. He said this to me with tears in his eyes. So that matters the way he treats veterans. There is a no enormous amount of latinos who have served and died for this country that matters the border that matters. The way that he treats immigrants and refers to immigrants, you know, that when he is talking about immigrants as vellum to this country as poisoning the blood. He is referring to people who look like you, who look like me and sound like you and who sound like me and so it matters to some people. It does i mean that it matters to everybody different things matter to different people. That does that bother you. But you know, anderson, i i get what on is saying my father is an immigrant to this country. He came under a temporary worker permit in the early 60s, where they checked him for lies, for tv. There was a process he's supporting donald j. Trump. He's made it very clear to me. He said able whether you like him or not, we live better under donald j. Trump and if that becomes that question, doesn't bother you when he calls immigrants. When he says that immigrants like your father and me poison the blood of this country. I don't even look at that on to be very i told donna because they don't know i know but i don't believe me when people look at you and when people look at me, they see immigrants and they see people that came from other places. They you know, we don't look like what come from finland president trump is not going to change who he is. And we've had we've had him for years know what i'm saying. He is a good economy, strong borders latinos like that. They want to be safe and home on dei and all the who died over proportionately with covid, latinos and african americans who managed covid at the beginning, mismanaged covid at the beginning. If things don't matter, i know the polls are saying that latinos are voting for him yes. Numbers because i think they're wrong to ana. I think latinos or have every right to make their decision and i think latinos are coming until their own, onto their own as a community are. And we are no longer one issue. You are right voters, 100. And i think it's going to be a fight until the end. I think kamala harris is going to win the majority. I think the question is, how many is donald trump able to peel away, evil, anna, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Coming up next. Cnn, chris wallace on his new book countdown, 1960, in the parallels he sees from the nixon kennedy showdown to today was never meant to be beautiful. I was teased because of my tie i didn't like the person looking in back of me in the mirror. I never thought i could afford the into a plant's you and your team work with them. I burj it helped me to feel confident in the player we made together. 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So if you have this consider adding this call united healthcare today for your free decision guy than the 2024 election on his mind. His new book is titled countdown 1960. The behind the scenes story of the 312 days that changed america's politics forever. And it is a fascinating story, explains or is the historic presidential race between two political titan's vice president richard nixon and center john f kennedy, an election that gave americans first televised presidential debates. As you see, an extremely close vote on election day one, which led to some by now familiar claims of voter fraud and a stolen election chris wallace joins us now the interests of the parallels between 1960 now, i mean, nixon did, there were some who were pointing to some ideas of voter fraud, but nixon accepted this. Yeah, i would say that 19, 61 of the reasons i wrote it and wanted to come out now is i think 1960 takes 2020 and the events we're going through still fraught since 2020 and stamps it on its head. I think that was an election that may well have been stolen when you look at the rampant egregious voter fraud in illinois under richard j. Daly in texas, under lyndon johnson i think those states might have been stolen from richard nixon. Nixon came under a lot of pressure from the republican party to contest it. And in the end, he decided no, i'm kind of do what's right for the country, not what's right for me. I can't contest an election, just put it in the courts at the height of a cold war. And he conceded he met with kennedy about a week after the election. And most tellingly and shows the resonance and the contrast and 2020 on january 6 of 20, 1961, as his job, he's sort of certified the counting of the electoral vote that john kennedy, who was in the house chamber at the time, had one, had beaten him and congratulated him and said this shows the strength of our democracy using that they met. I mean that they weren't best friends or anything, but i mean, they were they weren't necessarily enemies. Do you think that that politics, i mean, is that now just a thing of the past that no, i hope not. I don't i hope it's not irreversible. It's certainly not something that i think we can expect from donald trump. We certainly didn't see it in 2020 and frankly worried lose and 2024, i don't think we'd see it again, but i mean, it is the history of our nation that this is one of the things that was so shocked i was 13 in 1960 and i remember i watched the debates on tv with my parents and, you know, followed it avidly and the idea that somebody wins, somebody loses the loser, congratulates and concedes to the winter and we move on. That's what democracy was all about, which was what made 2020 so, so deeply shocking and something i draw telling the story of what happened in 1960 and how even though it was a weird election on a variety of levels, they play by the rules. Those rules are gone. I hope just temporarily, the obviously the infamous debate between the two, you write about this in the book i've talked to doris kearns goodwin about it. Whose husband was involved in the debate prep it's so fascinating the different approaches it seems like nixon didn't take that first debate as seriously as kennedy did. I mean, can they get seems like rina was really working off three by five cards going over notes, a lot that nixon kind of assumed he was just better at this stuff than kennedy he remember he'd been vice president eight years a year before. He'd gotten an unofficial debate with nikita khrushchev model kitchen at at a trade fair and moscow. And he just thought, i'm a heavyweight. He's a lightweight. I mean, just something as simple as the physical issue which was that kennedy went to california, he got a deep town when they came into the studio. They asked me once a makeup, he said no nixon, who famously had a fire but clark shadow and was still suffering from a very serious infection. He had refused to have makeup. He needed the makeup he looked and can nixon wore a lighter color suit which blended into the background exactly. Know. I mean, it just their were miscalculation after miscalculation just quickly at the end and of the of the debate richard daley, the mayor of chicago, turned into my god, they embalmed him before he died chris wallace. Thank you. The new book is fascinating. A countdown, 1960, the