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Anderson, 20 minutes ago, the power came back on here in saluda above the grant, the gorge and people on this Downtown Street in the small town all let out a big cheer got. So many people who need gary tuchman. Thanks. Im glad youre there at the news continues right here On Cnn straight from the Source Tonight what the quotes that Jack Smiths says came from Donald Trumps mouth. As the Special Counsel and the judge are revealing blockbuster new evidence in the Election Case against Donald Trump. Also, what Melania Trump just said about abortion that stands in stark contrast to the reality in america, because of her husbands three Supreme Court picks, the eyeopening new quotes from her new memoir and, James Carville has some advice for democrats tonight, including that one moment in last Nights Debate that he says, they arent seizing on nearly enough. Dont you want to know what that is im Kaitlan Collins and this is the source sowing doubt about the 2024 election, were getting just about as close of a look as we may ever get. And what his trial may have looked like for what he tried to pull off the last time. Judge Tanya Chutkin released 165 pages of evidence from special Counsel Counsel Jack smith, which paints a far more detailed picture than we knew before about the lengths in the depths of desperation that trump is accused of going too in order to cling to power after he lost the 2020 election, taken this scene, the day that trumps supporters stormed the capitol, january 6, trump, whom Jack Smith says hes alone in his Dining Room. That is just off the oval office, is watching it all play out on television. Is twitter open on his phone . When an assistant of his walked in after learning that Vice President Pence was in such serious danger, he had to be taken to a secure location the assistant rushed into the Dining Room to inform the defendant and hopes that the defendant would take action to ensure Pences Safety instead, smith writes, after the aide, whose name is redacted in these filings delivered the news the defendant looked at him and said, quote so what that is from a firsthand witness about the value that trump placed on the safety of the person who is second in line to the presidency and as much as were learning about trump in this new Filing Tonight were also learning about what a lot about what pences delicate dance to push back actually looked like behind the scenes, the filing contains details that presumably could only come from Mike Pence himself, whether from his own testimony to the Grand Jury or speaking with investigators. Heres how you can tell. Look at this smith is detailing a private lunch this happened on november 16th, in which pence tried to encourage the defendant to accept the results of the election and run again in 2024, to which the defendant, who of course here is Donald Trump responded, quote, i dont know, 2024 is so far off and yet here we are. Here was Donald Trump just yesterday do, you trust the process this time around . Ill let you know in a batch 33 days now we dont know if history will repeat itself in 33 days, but tonight we do have a much better much better insight into trumps why would the chief attorney in the White House now be allowed in the room . You know, whats great about that is what follows next, or what would traditionally be covered by Attorneyclient Privilege communications. There is no executive privilege, no Attorneyclient Privilege. In the mind of Jack Smith during this whole investigation. He had to go to a new Grand Jury to clean up the indictment to straighten it out in terms of the potential for what was going to be admissible at this trial and whats going to be fought over in a hearing if hes made one mistake from appellate review of any of this is an overreach. Its not just that he had something inadmissible. Its contaminating the Grand Jury. This really reeks of. You can call it optimism, you can call it desperate variation. But this is an effort to get his whole story out to hope that the Trial Judge will agree with him 100 across the board and to have the public Opinion Sway on various quotes from various people and look, maybe some of these folks have it right . Maybe he said things that were frustrated that hes never should have said. Maybe theyve got an ax to grind youre. Talking about the politicized process of challenging an election very publicly in many instances by this president becoming the new ground for criminal prosecution, not for insurrection, but for Insurrection Light. Theres just so many problems with this. Special counsel. And by the way, keep in mind, youve got a motion coming to track the motion can they got rid of that case for appointments clause Insurrection Light is a new one well see where that goes from there. Thank you so much, jim. Trusty. I do want to take us now to the comment that Donald Trump made on camera tonight, reacting to this new filing from Jack Smith. Heres what he had to say. Hes a deranged person. I call them deranged Jack Smith. He works for kamala and he works for joe. This was a weaponization of government and thats why was released 30 days before the election obviously, Jack Smith is a Special Counsel. 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Im focused on the election of 33 days from now my Source Tonight helps prepare Senator Vance for that debate Last Night, standing in as governor Tim Walz, he is the house majority whip, republican congressman tim emmer, Tom Emmer of minnesota and congressmen you know, a fellow minnesota and standing good against a fellow minnesotan who is on that Debate Stage Last Night. But but in all seriousness, when you were prepping Senator Vance for this debate, you had to have an idea that that, that question was going to come up. It comes up in almost every interview that that vance does or that trump does, did you prepare an answer for that question . I actually kaitlan. It was an honor to play a small role in helping Jd Vance. Jd vance is brilliant and i i predicted he was going to wipe the floor with Tim Walz in that debate Last Night, and thats exactly what he did. It was about the economy, it was about the border, it was about what a Trump Administration did. What but the Harris Administration has broken and what Trump And Vance will do to fix it. So no, i thought it went extremely well. But did you think hed get that question . Did you talk about how to answer the 2020 question . Answered it. You dont like the answer, but he answered it. This is something that you folks in the media want to focus on a regular basis. The american people, and thank goodness, Jd Vance and Donald Trump are focused on the election and how to fix this country so i think he good answer the question, what about voters who want to know if vance is someone who thought that . Joe biden did win the election know unless you are a partisan that is has different goals what voters want to know right now, any voters that are not decided is how can we get back at Trump Economy that created 7 Million new jobs that had the lowest Unemployment Rate in almost half century, that Saw American families bringing home 6,000 more a month compared to what weve had the last four years, which is 20 inflation in the average family actually spending 1,200 more a month for the same basket of goods they were buying before Kamala Harris went into office. They want to talk about the border. They want to talk about what if youre going to do to solve the Border Crisis that has created a Crime Wave across this country by allowing rapists and murderers and gang members into this country illegally. So they want to know how are you going to, how you can create peace around the world. Youre saying what voters want to hear you. Weve actually seen polls that Show Voters are also concerned about democracy it registers higher than maybe some republicans might predict. And the reason i was especially curious what you would say to this and what youre thinking was going into this . Knowing this would be a topic is because you in 2020, you did sign onto that brief supporting a Texas Lawsuit that would have invalidated the Election Results in four states. But you ultimately chose to certify the election. You broke with some of your republican colleagues and you chose to certify it. You said in a statement that congress does not symptomatic obstructive hcm. Kim xylose may improve your symptoms. Andrew ability to be active, kims iowas may cause serious Side Effects, including Heart Failure that can lead to Death Or Risk thats increased if you develop a serious infection or Irregular Heartbeat or when taken certain other medicines. 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This is according to excerpts that the guardian got a hold of, where the former First Lady rights and im quoting her now it is imperative to guarantee that women have autonomy in deciding their preference of having children based on their own conviction, free from any intervention, intervention, or pressure from the government. Her fullthroated support for abortion rights is notable, given her husbands three picks for the Supreme Court are the reason roe versus wade was its overturned. And leaving some states to ban or severely restrict access to that procedure overall, already straight to my panel of political sources tonight, sara, this whole Book Rollout has been very interesting. Weve been watching her kind of mysterious videos saying shes going to tell the truth. But this feels more strategic when you but when you read this, a book thats coming out right before the election, where shes saying, i totally disagree with all of this and i think that women should have the right to choose its got to be politically calculated. I mean, this is one issue where Donald Trump tends to be the most fickle you mentioned on one hand that he goes out and tries to say, i put these three very conservative judges on the Supreme Court which overturned roe v. Wade wade on the other end, hes trying to say that the federal government should cover ivf and hes doing that kaitlan because he wants to play it to both sides. This election has the widest Gender Gap of any president ial election in history. He knows he needs the Womans Vote. What hes doing here, or what shes doing here on his behalf, i would assume is helping him to win Womans Vote in a way that doesnt have to put him as the person whos continues to be so fickle, it can be her as a representative of him. And obviously this is something that came up during the debate Last Night between Senator Vance and Governor Walz. They were both talking about this. I just want a preview of what that moment looked like because during the debate was when trump finally answered the Question Russia and he didnt answer from his debate, which is that he would veto a national Abortion Ban supported a national ban. I did during when i was running for senate in 2020 to talk about setting some minimum national standard for so many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy is something thats going to destroy their livelihood, destroyed your education, destroy their relationships. And we have got to earn peoples trust back just mind your own business on this things work best when roe versus wade was in place, when we do a restoration of roe that works best i mean, what do you make of how that played out Last Night . I should note Jd Vance did say in 2022, he was in favor of banning abortion nationwide, making it illegal nationwide is how he phrased it. But to hear that, to see milan his comments, what do you make of this . Well, first of all, Jd Vance, the quote, Ll Cool J he lied about the lies that he lied about it came to abortion. He absolutely was for a national Abortion Ban. And then just got there, got out there. This guy changes personalities more than most people change their suits. And theres a reason the republican position on abortion is so extreme. It is so radical and it is certainly to most peoples common sense. Of course, people shouldnt little girl should be forced to have their uncles babies. I mean, they have crazy positions and so trump is on a Pogo Stick trying to bounce backwards and backwards on this thank i dont know though if Melania Trump is being used to teach likely are not. There does not seem to be a great deal of Coordination Or Affection between this former First Lady, this former president xi, might just be making her own point and it may have nothing at all to do with strategically, as they say but the timing right before the election is what makes it feel very should, will because youre using reason and rationality. And im not sure thats present in this relationship is certainly not always president present in this campaign, look, regardless of why she did it. Number one, she has the right to do it and maybe women have different views her husbands all the time. Thats right. Well i want to get to that because look, there are couples in the suburbs of Philadelphia Or Pittsburgh and ohio and in florida and everywhere across the country have different views on not just this issue, but other issues. I think it actually speaks well to the former president as he campaigns in terms of gaming, peoples trust not just issues, but likability. This makes him seem a little normal. There are diverse couple who have different views on a key Policy Issue and cheese she is putting out on a book and you know what hes endorsing that book. He might not hold the same position, but i think it helps him politically because of that advance your talked about Jd Vances past positions. I mean, if Kamala Harris has been criticized for positions she had in 2019 that shes now changed as vance allowed to change a position he held clearly in 2022 to now, look, i think that its okay. Look, Kamala Harris change the really the whole democratic party changed in 2020. Some kind of covid, fever took over and democrats were on really bizarre stuff defund the police and all kinds of weird stuff, and Anti Fracking. But whats happened is its not just Kamala Harris, the entire party backed away from the Anti Fracking thing because Natural Gas became a geopolitical weapon against putin and so you havent heard democrats criticizing fracking for four years. So its not like comments, its kinda flipflopping The Party has evolved on these issues. However, with the problem with Jd Vance is he gave himself a personality transplant. He when he worked here it wasnt that he had different policy positions. He was a different human being. He was kind he was engaging, he was thoughtful, and he became a caricature of a caricature of Donald Trump for the position of getting on this ticket. And i think that if people can evolve, but you dont change a personality for power and go ahead and that tends to be the same argument by the way, that the democrats are using in comparing him to Mike Pence who did the same Chameleon Jump okay, this is the playbook that you have to run if you want to be Donald Trumps Running Mate, you have to come out and get mass appeal. Obviously vance did that with Hillbilly Elegy and the whole netflix show. But then you also have to make sure that you flip to make Donald Trump happy. And thats what he had to do. I just say this is the bidenHarris Administration and this is an administration that has been pushing for within ten years to ban gaspowered cars in the administration, not when she ran for office over the last few years. And shes flip to ban to force an ev mandate. And she has reversed her position on that, and thats what Donald Trumps Running Ads on it in michigan. I just want to say, nobodys tried to ban combustible engine. We did want to move more aggressively on Electric Vehicles the backoff, you know why . Because the Consumer Demand Wasnt there. So we actually respond to bakkes and markets its a ban will leave it there. 43 Million people were watching Last Night. Thank you all. Tonight. I should also note a story that were following closely here On Cnn, the Death Toll across the southeast after Hurricane Helene swept through has now risen 289 people. As tonight, the biden administration is deploying 1,000 active duty soldiers to bolster Aid Efforts that are still very much underway tonight, both President Biden and Vice President harris were touring the historic devastation today. Biden got a briefing from fema officials in North Carolina before getting and then aerial tour of the destruction of the state. The mayor of asheville explain to me the other night that was so there wouldnt be a need to shut down that very few functioning roads that they have for a large president ial motorcade. Meanwhile, next door in georgia, harris, herself got an up close look at the Response Efforts as she also met with families who are grieving that has resulted because of this in terms of the aftermath of it. And so my final point to the to the residents of this community and the region is that we are here for the long haul the White House says that Vice President harris will also go to North Carolina to see the damage there. In the coming days coming up tonight. One of the most influential democratic voices of his generation, James Carville. He says there was one moment from that debate Last Night that the Harriswalz Team needs to seize on. But isnt thats next for you are pretty awful. Yeah what are the kinds we could run out the news before then . What never happened if i got news for you saturday at nine on Cnn And Streaming next day on max comfortable socks in the history of feet so comfortable you wish you had more visit bombus. Com and get 20 off your first order are better with a credit gods on your Side Comment for awards. Once available to the few are now accessible to the many earn points for travel with Credit One Bank and lives large 48 of americans dont get enough magnesium, which is vital for bone, nerve, and muscle health. 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But after Senator Jd Vance and Governor Walz left that stage Last Night, i got React Tren from Donald Trump junior, who of course led a Big Push to get his dad to pick vance as his Running Mate he was probably more comfortable in those issues than most republicans or even on our strong point. So i think it was an incredible debate. Do you think he was more comfortable and those issues that your dad was in the last debate. Well, you know, i dont think it wasnt necessarily threeonone debate every Month Or Dad to be safe, no one wants the threats against his life to happen, but you cant blame the media for those sorts. Theres been no evidence drove those and allows people to have a platform to call someone literally hitler every day for nine years it creates it, whether you want to believe it or not, thats a fact. But as you know, jake thats what its likened your dad to hitler as well. He questioned if he was americas Hitler Strategist James Carville, first, what did you make your low forwardly are don junior fan, but that was exactly a horse, man, ron. Thank you. Supposed to go out and put a good face on it as you possibly i guess she was somewhere here the spin room, is it interesting phenomenon for like political people where its just surrogates go there to say what their takeaways, what they want, and they hope that the candidate cheese, yet, yeah. Okay i got here in this way, you stand up right good thing, but if youre good at it though, like you more yeah. Yeah what were your takeaways from the debate Last Night . But my biggest takeaway was we knew who these people were okay and balances and kado Smooth Talk and educated, i believe guy governor tim is a Master Sergeant Coach and the only thing that i thought and i just cannot believe and i think David Axelrod Center said it why havent they just gone crazy over vance saying that Donald Trumps Saved Obamacare of debts not thats on the pantones far five stalled 20 Pinocchio Bs and its a great issue for us. And i dont know why did not kick in that thing. It why dont have Harris Shot there President Obama speak mobile speaker, Pelosi Everybody like, what are you talking about . He did everything he could to kill obamacare. And thats my thats all it was fine. I thought the government did find Jd Vance is good at sentence can construction, which is a kind of minimum, but he was all right at that adjust. Somebody, please. Please go kick this obamacare trumps story so theyre cutting that moment at the end where were Vance Wouldnt say that biden won the Election And Talk to real certifying it. Do you think you think Health Care Moment where trump tried, you think thats more powerful can take, will pop. Weve been talking about biden won the election, sets Election Night weve been talking about january to six since Election Night. Theres 100 knowledge he went out in tow, a Bow Lie about an issue that the democrats have a big advantage. Oh, thats very important and very critical people, if obamacares so popular, why did it take credit for something that they tried to repeal . I dont know, 100 times. I mean, i thought that was the Teaching Moment in the entire debate. Why you would ever think enter deal . I dont know. I dont know. I think that the Vice President s campaign and very good at big events. Stay do debates, conventions by vp rollout. They do a great job to get getting their daytoday and get in his face and put the microphone in every republican candidate, do you think Donald Trump Saved Obamacare . Youre going to vote to save obamacare. Youre going to vote to a Bulkhead Subsidies come up in 2025 i mean, man, rahel, something that matters to people at mean, thats the un, that fundamentally matter of some people when you have such a strong political acumen, i mean, you were one of the loudest voices and the democratic party talking about biden and just the fact that he wasnt up to running in this 2024 race you have a new john coming out On Cnn. It airs this, it premieres this saturday ive already seen it. We were at the premiere. Its fantastic, but there was a moment in the 92 bill Clinton Campaign where you took something that Everyone Else was panicking over and you tried to use it to your advantage . Article in the Wall Street Journal on friday. And heres a story that looks like it might be going away in somebody says, look, we have something that can kick this story and extra day my job was to convey to the fresh in the public that we are tough people had nowhere to be doing because that was really part of what i was selling when, you are you going to let me answer the question, even interrupt me okay that defiance ended up sending a bigger signal that lasted throughout the whole campaign if youve got a big problem confronted, dont hide it Carnivals Approach is this just as relevant, perhaps more relevant today, than it was in 1992. Youve turned into the fire, you dont turn away from it you think the Harris Campaign should be turning into the fire more . Well, i like i say, i think theyve big events, extraordinary. Well, i dont say this is not turning into the fire. Youll youre sitting behind the lines lobbing artillery over they are okay. I mean, if it just is not hard, 75 of the people cono, liked the fact that we cover a lot of people will have more affordable Health Insurance than weve ever had before. So i dont think theres no fire here. You you piling own i mean, you shelling them and now you could do that too. Yeah. We dont need to if we can just thats what they actually shed. This is what they actually did. It take every vote in every time that he said he was going to replace it with something terrific. Were still waiting, sir. You have to tune in this saturday, the Cnn Film carville winning is everything stupid. It premieres October 5th is 7 00 p. M. Eastern right here On Cnn Strikes Tonight in beirut as israel is promising a response to irans Missile Attack, property, rodak. Whats it going to look like . 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And i say today in the Security Council it will be a very strong, painful respond. It will be soon. The cabinet is thinking about the options but i can tell you we will not sit idly by we pay a price for what they did attacking isabel, telling Me John is very hard to run for shelters. Imagine the entire population of new York City that have to run for shuttle in ten minutes they will pay for that and i think they know that we have the capabilities to reach any destination in the middle east. Its up to us come to decide how to do it. And what to target. You said soon has the israeli Security Cabinet made a decision on what that response will look like . Details, but yes, a few options being discussed. And we will decide about the timing but i think everybody understands, including our allies its not about if there will be a respond, its about what will be their response. What will be the targets and i think i event however, that when President Biden says that Israel Shouldnt go near irans nuclear sites. That that should not be part of the response youre considering is israel heeding that message or is that still something thats on the table . We have an open download with administration, but i want to read the question. What we want to do to wait for iran to have a nuclear capability and they can put that on ballistic missiles and launch nuclear ballistic missiles into israel when you see a nation that is extending 200 ballistic missiles its a civilian population. You have to stop them from going to be asked doing it now, it should be the responsibility of the u. S. And other western democracies to block iran from achieving nuclear capability. Otherwise would be too late that sounds like it is still something thats on the table for israel well, they know way i can tell you that we will all discussing the options that the targets, but we are taking it very seriously. Now hes probably have told us that when you have a radical leader threatening to destroy the jewish people, you better believe him. When we see the intention and we see the capabilities and the those ballistic missile on our civilians. Eight makes one wonder, what should we do next then this nicely celebrate the jewish new year is whether very hard deal so for all of us, we still have the hostages for a year in captivity. So we are in pain. But we are not week we are strong, we are determined. And i one will feel it very soon. Well, and in that sense, as you, as you look at that, i mean, the concern from the broader world is israel response to this and then iran feels the need to respond to that. And then this for tat continues in this manner. How do you how do you stop that . What does that look like . Or does It Risk Opening up and making this a bigger war than what were already seeing so i think that would be also part of the calculations about the target. We we peak, we dont want to see Photos Curation we dont want to see well, we are peaceful nation, but at the same time, you know, imagine that you had 200 Rockets Landing in one of the cities in New York. What would be the response . All of the u. S. Or any other state around the world, you have to retaliate. Otherwise, you will bring more aggression to your people, to your country. But we will have to make it a calculated respond because we dont want to see full war with iran. And believe me, they also dont want to see it. We have shown our capability is when we felt hamas gaza, where we are fighting hezbollah in lebanon, liberal look what happened in beirut In Gaza before the start of war with us yeah. And of course were waiting to see what that israeli response is going to look like. You said ambassador, that it is going to be soon. Obviously the world will be watching. I know it is the jewish new year coming up. Thank you so much for joining us during, during the holidays, ambassador danny danon, thank you very much. Thank you so much for joining us. The news continues right here On Cnn aviv, breaking news, massive explosions, just heard in beirut as israel vows payback, an attack that could com