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October 2, right now On Cnn this morning i actually think i agree with you. Im in agreement with him on that a civil Debate Something we havent seen in awhile, the vp candidates taking the biggest stage of their careers focusing on policy over personal attacks and this israel, promising iran will pay after they launched more than 180 missiles in the largest, their largest attack ever and viewing the Damage President biden will get a firsthand look at Hurricane Helenes wrath as he visits the visits the hardest hit Areas Today A. M. On the East Coast, heres a live look at new York City, home of last nights first and only Vice President ial debate wrapping up last night. Good morning, everyone. Im kasie hunt. And its wonderful to have you with us weve got two major stories that were following this hour, one abroad and of course, The One at home last night, the Vice President ial debate between Jd Vance and Tim Walz, the Highstakes Showdown could be the last major Campaign Event between now and Election Day this morning, we are also waiting to see what Israels Response to a massive aerial assault from iran might be around launching its largest attack ever on israel tuesday, firing about 180 ballistic missiles at least one person was killed, several are injured, even though israel and its allies were able to intercept most of the missiles my direction i say its military, actively supported the defense of israel. They attack appears to have been defeated and ineffective and this is testament Israeli Military Capability and us military make no mistake. The united states is fully, fully, fully supportive of israel the question now, how will israel respond . This of course, was the first topic of the first question posed to the candidates at last nights debate. Tim Walz Answering first, he appeared visibly nervous as he took the biggest stage of his political career in a positive view i ran our eye. Israels ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental. Getting its hostages back fundamental and ending the humanitarian crisis in gaza Jd Vance also talked about supporting israels right to selfdefense with his first answer of the night it is up to israel, what they think they need to do to keep their country safe. And we should support our allies wherever they are when theyre fighting the bad guys. I think thats the right approach to take with you as real question those answers, setting the tone for a debate that stayed remarkably civil and policybased featured it seemed plenty of midwestern nice moments between the candidates from Ohio And Minnesota i agree. It should not take seven years for an Asylum Claim to be done. I agree with you. I think you want to solve this problem, but i dont think that Kamala Harris does. I agree with a lot of which Senator Vance said about whats happening. His Running Mate though does not. And thats the problem, governor, i agree with the Amber Thurman should still be alive and there are a lot of people who should still be alive. And i certainly wish that she was im in agreement with him on this first of audit. Know that youre 17yearold witnesses shooting, and im sorry about that. And i appreciate his christ, have mercy all right. Joining us now to talk about all of this. Errol louis, cnn Political Commentator Matt Gorman, former senior adviser to tim Scotts President Ial Campaign. Meghan hays is former biden white House Director of Message Planning and Margaret Talev, senior contributor at axios. Good morning to all of you. Thank you so much for being here after what was a late night for many of us watching the debate. Maga tell, let me start with you just as we look at The Big Picture here. Obviously midwestern, nice, minnesota nice, doesnt always mean actually nice. But there did seem to be this interest, especially from Jd Vance, who has developed this reputation as a sharp, someone who throws elbows. He clearly seemed to want to present a different version of himself to americans. And in fact, some of the polling, the instant polling that we got back after the debate shows that both of them, both Jd Vance and Tim Walz now have higher Favorability Ratings than they did when they went in to this debate at what was your takeaway from last night yeah. I think if youve been watching Jd Vance in the political space for the last few months and you think of him as the guy who hates childless cat ladies. And is willing to make scapegoats or caricatures out of legal status immigrants in ohio, you would have seen a very different candidate last night. You would have seen someone who was gentle, poised who listened, who found ways to agree, even on what problems are, even when you disagree on the solutions. So i think that was in terms of sort of image Rehab Weve seen in polling Jd Vance since being just underwater in terms of favorability and i think we saw really different side of him last night and that probably helps him with some voters but but you know, fundamentally, there were also a lot of missed mistruths and on accuracies that reveal themselves in and last Nights Discussion and some weak points on the part of both candidates. So im not the fact that civility was one of the takeaway headlines that we keep saying is in theory for american democracy. But it probably neutralize some of the other headlines that could have been coming out of that debate. Errol louis, one of the obviously key exchanges in this debate was on the issue of Abortion Rights and the two have very different positions. But i thought the Way Vance tried to talk about it was pretty interesting because he was, he acknowledged, we need, republicans need to win voters trust back on this issue. What did you make of that and what overall were your stood out to you the most about the debate last night, well, look on that issue as on several others, but mostly on that issue, both candidates are trying to run to the center this is the system working by the way both the civility and the move toward the center are really is what you want to see in the closing weeks of a debate. You want people to try and kind of claim the broad middle thats how we get a stable democracy. So Jd Vance had the harder assignment when it came to that because hes defending something that we know from the polls is pretty much out of sync with a lot of where for the rest of the country is. He tried to make it seem reasonable. He tried to make it seem that he was both 100 prolife, but also not in favor of a national abortion ban. That just is not a coherent position. And Tim Walz, i think it took advantage of it. He had three different anecdotes of the kind of Horror Story trees that have already started to pop up as a result of some of the restrictions that are in place with the ending of Roe Versus Wade Jd Vance didnt really have an answer. He had his own anecdote, but it was for an anonymous person, a very sort of suspects story, frankly Matt Gorman i want to ask you what about what Jd Vance had to say or didnt have to say about the 2020 Election Results as January 6 became a topic of conversation, i walz, Tim Walz took the Question And Kind of turned it on Jd Vance. Lets watch that moment and i want to ask you about it i would just ask that did he lose the 2020 election tim, im focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris Censor Americans from speaking their mind and the wake of the 2020 covid situation. That is that is a nonanswer. Is that a nonanswer . Matt . Okay. Let me quickly step back for a second. I think to the Civility Point to both kanye saw in their interest to not attack the other person on that stage and keep focus on the top of the ticket. I think thats where the civility in name only kind of came from. But its really kind of focusing on the person and look, i will say this. Vance was clearly prepared for that sort of question. And that pivot talking about kind of the misinformation, talking about the Kamala Harris and Facebook And Misinformation on the 2020 election i think spoke to the fact that he was ready for it. Number one, he had and pivoted out of it. And number two, i think the story of it with vance was, you saw all the interviews in the prep he had done over the last, you what, 34 months that hes been on the ticket, if not more, really show up. And when you saw with walz who hasnt done really many interviews, only really want outside of it with dana bash, obviously, not having that interview prep, that having the tough questions and the ability to refine your arguments made him a little tougher to kind of pivot out of those trickier subjects. We saw that with a bunch of things to that hes really forced show to me that he was very experienced in pivoting out of it. Jd. Yeah. Actually, meghan hays, thats exactly what i wanted to ask you about because i mean, you can really see a Tim Walz obviously seem to relax as the debate went on, but he was really nervous at the top and if he had done more of this, might theyve been able to avoid this and do you think he met the kind of do no Harm Threshold last night considering that . Yeah. He absolutely method do no Harm Threshold that there is no major slipups, there is no major cleanup that has to be done from the campaign are from or from the top of the ticket for either Candidate Today really, except its probably the january makes answer on the trump side, but i do think he probably should be doing some more interviews. I im Big Fan of local media, so should probably get out there more to do local media. But i just think, look, i think that there was a good debate. Theres a good Policy Conversation whether or not you, who are you agree with on the side, they laid out Policy Initiatives here and it gives the american people some more meat to hang now on onto when theyre starting to look now at who theyre Gonna Vote for. But i do think he met the donoHarm Threshold. I think he surpass that. I think he did a good job. Of course, its youd be nervous, it is not a natural format or a natural thing for most people to do so. I mean, i get him a lot of credit for even showing that he was nervous like a normal human being. Well, certainly fair enough. Although he is obviously running to be Vice President united states, so guys, thank you for starting us off with this conversation going to stick around throughout the hour as we actually have a very big News Morning already unfolding coming up On Cnn this morning, iran launches a barrage of missiles, attacking israel and now israel is vowing, i dont think back what that response might look like. Plus the Hurricane Helene Death toll is rising as the search for the missing grows more desperate in hard Hit It North Carolina and in a debate full of midwestern nice some moments got a little contentious. Like when Donald Trumps 2020 Election Loss came up judge, did he lose the 2020 election . Tim, im focused on the future ive been saying publicly, what people say and turns out i have enough money. 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If it continuous aggression you missile unit d, if the Zionist Regime that has gone crazy, its not controlled by America And Europe and wants to continue these crimes were wants to do anything against our sovereignty do you in territorial integrity. Tonights operation will be repeated several times stronger in all their infrastructure will be targeted cnn, political and national security analyst, David Sanger, also, of course, longtime New York times correspondent joins us now, david, honestly, theres no One Id rather talk to on a morning like this as the world waits for to find out what israel is going to do here. And i was just reading your piece in the times and, i actually wanted to ask you, i mean, it seems like the question about how israel is going to retaliate here does seem to come down to, i mean, there were several israeli officials that were on with my Colleague Wolf Blitzer last night, Naftali Bennett, former prime Minister Michael oren the former israeli ambassador to washington. And they both had pretty hawkish things to say about israel seizing this moment to take on an attack. Frankly, the iranian nuclear facilities and you write in your piece that that is something that benjamin netanyahu, the Prime Minister, has been looking for an opening to potentially do for many years. Do you think that is on the table here . And what does that mean in terms of escalation but i think its on the table. Kasie, im not sure theyre going to go that far and certainly the biden administration is urging them not to well lets just step back for a moment. The wider war that we were trying to really spent the past year of trying to avoid its here, its upon us. Right. I mean, what what it meant was dont spread the gaza war, the war against hamas elsewhere. And now of course we have seen Israel Go after Hezbollah Kill its leader. Weve seen israeli attacks and are houthi attack on israel and israeli Counter Attack and now weve seen for the second time in six months iran sending missiles directly it israelled, not really done that since the 1979 iranian revolution. So on all fronts, were there and then the question is, does prime Minister Netanyahu choose this moment to escalate further and take out whats the true longterm threat to israel, which of course is the nuclear program or does he say this is going to get us on a cycle . We cant stop. And thats the administrations view. And frankly, thats a decision i think well know about in the next 24 to 48 hours. Really interesting, david, you write this, you know, of course that american officials believed they can persuade mr. Netanyahu to make his point without but setting off a fullblown war. But they concede, you write that the israeli Prime Minister may see the next five weeks until the american president ial election as a right moment to try to set that Program Back by years. After all, former president donald j. Trump would not complain about a major attack on irans military infrastructure and democrats cannot be, cannot afford to be accused of restraining israel after tuesdays Missile Attack. Can you explain a little bit more about how this interacts with the president Ial Campaign sure you know, in the past dynamic whenever netanyahu has threatened to strike the iranian program and two or three times hes come very close to doing that over the past decade or so, and always held back the us has always urged caution that there are diplomatic options here. The cost is striking, could include nuclear pollution around around iran. So really bad precedent does that, lets find some other ways to restrain the program, especially since iran funny kids dont seem to be right on top of building a weapon. But now, whos going to go say that certainly not Donald Trump woo pulled out of the iranian nuclear accord and as threatened, the iranians at various moments and who the iranians have sent out people to try to assassinate him and broken into his campaign. So no love lost. There and i think for Vice President harris, its a really tricky time. If she said after a Missile Attack like this, really the israeli should, should pare back on this. You can imagine how the republicans would leap honor he probably thinks hes got a few weeks passed thats until the election all right. David sanger for us this morning. David so grateful to have you on the show today. I hope to hope to have you back soon. Always great to be with you, kasie. All right. 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The two president ial candidates taking very different approaches in their response to the Crisis Crisis we will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary to defend us forces and interests against iran and iranbacked terrorist the whole world is laughing at us. Thats why israel was under attack just a little while ago, because they dont respect our country anymore. The socalled enemy doesnt respect our country any longer. Alright, lets go live to riyadh, saudi arabia, where we find former us Defense Secretary Mark esper at mr. Secretary very grateful to have you on this critical morning as we all wait to see what, how israel is going to respond to this. Can you give me a sense of what your view is about the best way for them to move forward because weve seen some rhetoric from israeli, former israeli officials like Naftali Bennett told my Colleague Wolf Blitzer yesterday that israel should seize this opportunity to strike iranian nuclear facilities that do you think thats a good idea . And is there any way to walk back from the brink well, clearly Yesterday Strike by iran was significant, but also feckless. They shot over 180 missiles and none of them hit their mark in terms of killing anybody. Thank goodness, or are causing a lot of damage. And so it was a very significant attack, once again, proven feckless the issue now of course is what does israel do in response . And i feel that they will respond. Theyre not going to do what they did the last time on april because iran had crossed that threshold. I think also at the strategic environment with regard to the region has changed significantly as well back in april. Of course, ishmael hand, i was still in charge and hamas, the war in gaza was still ongoing in southern lebanon, but hezbollah, you had nasrallah still in charge and his leadership, but now those two entities, that leadership structure, those leaders are completely gone. And the concern that israel might have had a past that responding boldly back to Iran Mike Cause hezbollah to strike from the northern flank. That seems to be not the case anymore. So i expect israel will respond. The question is, what type of targets will they strike . Will they go inside iran after nuclear sites have ballistic Missile Production sites . Or they go outside iran in the Persian Gulf for example, and Attack Oil Infrastructure for Attack Oil rigs that remains to be seen mr. Secretary, do you think theres any possibility for an negotiated Ceasefire Deal in the region at that point, we seem close to it, not that long ago. A couple of different proposals why we had The One in gaza, which has been rejected multiple times by hamas. And of Course Gaza is not the focus right now. You had one proposed by the biden administration a few days ago, a week ago, a 21 day ceasefire, but israel had different plans at this point. Theyve been successful again in Decimating Hamas is leadership knocking out their command and control. And now were on the cusp of an incursion to go after a lot of the infrastructure on the border. So i dont know that frankly its in israels interests at this point to have a ceasefire and maybe not for the united states interests as well when youve got Terrorist Organizations across the region on their backfoot and decimated maybe nows the time to press that advantage. And make sure you take out more than infrastructure so you remove these threats. I do think The One thing that is out there, this pending here, some in the region talking about it. That is a reintroduction of us solutions 171 you may recall, was passed after the last conflict between Hezbollah And Israel in 2006, that called for israel after the conflict to move south of the lebanese border. And in for hezbollah to move north of the lebanese border about 18 miles. Hezbollah never lived up to its end of the bargain and so now the question is, if Israel Goes in, removes infrastructure, can you get a more Concrete Agreement about has blinked staying back from the border maybe up to10 river, 18 Miles Away and thats prevent what has been going on now for 11 months with hezbollah nearly daily striking targets in israel mr. Secretary was just speaking with David Sanger longtime New York times correspondent. Im sure you know. And he wrote in his Piece Today that these five weeks of the president Ial Campaign may represent a unique opportunity, frankly, for benjamin netanyahu. Do you see it that way . And also, do you see material difference between how a Trump Administration versus how a Harris Administration would handle this first on the last question, its hard to predict how each administration will handle this i presume Vice President Kamala Harris will follow more. Bidens stream in terms of his policy approach, but we dont know. She maybe she can tell us at some Point And President Trump At Times has been unpredictable. I saw him at moments pulled back from striking iran. If you think more along the summer of 2019, when they shot down one of our drones and then the in the past, hes taken other action which is far more bold in terms of the killing of qassam soleimani. So its hard to say with regard to age with regard to the broader question, whats interesting now is that look at this point, theres not going to be anything in terms of a ceasefire thats going to turn the american election one way or the other. But interestingly, youve seen bibi netanyahus Political Capital improved greatly in the last couple of weeks, i think in terms of his actions taken against hezbollah and thats been up to me a stark change over the past 11 months all right. Former Defense Secretary Mark esper, so grateful for your time. This morning. Thank you very much for being with us thanks, kasie all right. Lets turn now to this. Tim walz and Jd Vance. Of course, faced off in the final debate. Thats currently scheduled for this election cycle, the two Vice President ial candidates met on stage here in new York City last night where they battled it out. But i really remained fairly civil, something that has been increasingly uncommon in todays volatile political landscape. The countrys often charged and for fraught visions were most notably on display at the u. S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. As a reminder, on that day, almost four years ago, rioters stormed the Capitol Building the event ultimately left multiple people dead. But walz and vance had two very different takeaways from that notorious day in washington, dc Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this. He lost his election and he said he didn 140 Police Officers were beaten at the capitol that day, some with the american flag, several later died. Its really rich four democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he picked hes fully gave over power on january the 20th, as we have done for 250 years in this country, did he lose the 2020 election tim, im focused on the future that that is a nonanswer all right, the panel, the panel is back. Errol louis, let me let me start with you. Hear first of all the idea that this is just our political divisions on display as one that i i reject as someone who was there that day, there was a lot a lot more to it. Why . Is this question so relevant in a Vice President ial debate just speaks to what we saw from our then Vice President , mike pence, who stood in the way of Donald Trump when Donald Trump tried to get him to overturn the election. And thats why its an issue that Jd Vance doesnt seem to be answering this question shan, what do you see here and why do you think vance is doing what hes doing its a real question. Were going to have an election in 34 days. And then after that, we have to ensure that the results of that election respected and next January 6 will have the same issue all over again. I dont know January 20 will hopefully well have a peaceful transition of power the Jd Vance has to do what every true Trump Follower has to do, which is by his claim that somehow he won the election and its absurd, and its infuriating. And in some ways its immoral given what happened on January 6, lives that were lost and property that was damaged in the breaching of the capitol and so forth. All of the violent. But that is the price of being on Donald Trumps team. And i think Governor Walz did a good job of making Jd Vance pay the full price for that. When you biden that lie and you swallow that claim, you end up looking ridiculous Margaret Talev we were talking to voters last night in Focus Groups and across the country. And one in michigan said that this January 6, thats are actually impacted their vote, that they were undecided. Lets watch im going to be voting for Kamala Harris you know, one of the stark sort of aspects of that debate that really stuck with me was when they were talking about January 6 Jd Vance didnt really give us a definitive answer, and i im disappointed in that fact and i dont think that i can trust someone, you know, with my vote if theyre not going to respect it way to put it, margaret, i dont think i can trust someone with my vote if theyre not going to respect it. Yeah i think that moment what was probably Tim Walz the strongest moment in the debate last night, Jd Vance is are more gifted debater. He had more command throughout most of the night three really strong moments, relatively. One was talking about the problem by partisan problem with teenagers and guns. One was talking about womens reproductive rights. And it was that moment on January 6, where he was really able without a lot of judgment or facial memes or any of the any of that stuff to just say to Vance Sort of really you know, i do think there are americans for whom they are basically weighing economic and pocketbook issues like can they get more money in their pocket again, if they reelect Donald Trump or Border Security issues against these sort of ideas of chaos, governance, respect for democracy following the rules, kind of a return to those sort of normalcy issues we hear this and again in Focus Groups and that moment last night although its sort of ridiculous to think that any Vice President could really tell Donald Trump what to do where he reelected like trump has shown again and again he hes, hes the executive. He would make the decisions, but even so, i think for some voters so were still weighing that money in my pocket versus are we conducting ourselves ourselves for those voters . 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She did exactly that all right. Governor tim Walz And Senator Jd Vance Trading Blame over the border during one of the debates, more heated moments, Governor Walz brought up the recent Controversy Swirling around springfield, ohio as vance and his Running Mate, Donald Trump have pushed false claims about haitian migrants. Theyre eating pets four years trying to that vilified a large number of people who were here legally in the community of springfield. The republican governor said, its not true, dont do it. The people that im most worried about in springfield, ohio are the american citizens who have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris is open border. It is a disgrace, tim and i actually think i agree with you. I think you want to solve this problem, but i dont think that Kamala Harris does Matt Gorman how do you evaluate how this issue played out on stage last night . Because this is again, an issue that republicans voters tell us they trust republicans more on it than they trust democrats. I mean, look, this was a way i expected jd depressive his advantage on this and he certainly did and youre also huge careful i talking to a lot of the Vans Team going into this they view this in a couple of ways. One of the things they really wanted to do was jb very aware of his vulnerabilities, very aware of the challenges with his image and some of the rocky rollouts so he wanted to disarm the critiques. I think thats why you saw his answer on springfield. There was the way it was and so i think he was really able to press that case on immigration, didnt really let up. And i think it was really one of the stronger moments. Look, you obviously need to be ready for the difficult and expected Questions Jd was say on abortion or 2020, but you also need to make sure to run up the score on ones are advantageous to you. This was that for jd meghan hays. How did you read this . Because obviously they had previously really dug in on this haitian migrants eating pets, insisting the evidence was there, Et Cetera . Cetera, a different tone last night . Well, lets not forget that he admitted that he made it up, that he made the entire thing to get attention to the media, to pay attention to something thats not even true. I mean, i dont want people to forget that point here, but i do think, look, this is a tough issue for democrats. I think that Kamala Harris and Governor Walls are closing the gap here and people who can see that she could handle this issue. I think she was down last week at the border. She gave a really great speech. Shes showing some leadership. I think that the governor is also putting for some more meat on this and drawing attention that the congress is The One who did not pass the Border Bill at the direction of Donald Trumps. So, you know, i think it is not the top issue for democrats. I think that the governor did but what he could do here to make american people see the difference in the contrast. But again, this is not their top issue, but i think that he did a great job in defending and our stances here Margaret Talev, you spent a lot of time talking to voters. How do they see how this has cut since the last debate in terms of, you know, there have been inflammatory false claims made. The city of springfield, ohio has really suffered. And yet we also see people continue to say that they trust republicans more on immigration yeah, i think you actually expressed it perfectly. We just see again and again and again, not just in polling, but in the Focus Groups where you really draw out these sort of qualitative gut feelings the two strongest areas for trump and the two weakest areas for harris or are the idea, not just of the economy, but of inflation. The price of goods, the price of housing and Border Security. I think what we saw Tim Walz try to do last night was to argue that you can do two things at once. You can be compassionate towards immigrants and mine in full of the actual positive impact that immigrants have on the u. S. Economy while still needing to beef up border controls. But because hes not the worlds greatest debater, i think he, he pulled on threads of that case, but he didnt make it particularly forcefully. And i think its really going to be up to Kamala Harris to change peoples minds. People are not going to change their minds about which president ial candidate theyre going to vote for because a Running Mate does or doesnt make the sharpest arguments in the debate. This is Border Security remains a real deficit for harris. And in these Battleground States where the race is too close to call right now, is one of them . The areas where if she wants to move the needle, she needs to change the way people think about her command of this issue all right. Our panel Matt Gorman, meghan hays, Margaret Talev, errol louis. Im sorry. Wouldnt get the last word from you. I hope youll come back oneonone students so we can talk some more. Thank you very much. In our next hour here On Cnn this morning, a large scale Missile Attack, the u. S vowing iran will face severe consequences for its attack against israel plus a civil debate with some niceties. But Jd Vance and Tim Walz did clash on issues like abortion we have a Big Country and its diverse in california has a different viewpoint on this than georgia. Georgia has a different viewpoint from arizona. How can we, as a nation say that your life . Ive and your rights as basic as the right to control your own body is determined on geography failure, far sika can help you keep living life with The Ones you love ask your doctor about farsi go today for ceasefire. 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