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All right 6 00 a. M. Here in new york city. A live look at the skyline on this monday morning. Good morning, everyone. Im kasie hunt. Its wonderful to have you with us. We are now just 43 days until election day. Its just a little over six weeks though, for some, the election already underway, early voting putting is now open across six states as of this morning and with voters already casting ballots, new national polling over the weekend seems to be giving a slight edge to Kamala Harris. This is welcome news for her team and new postdebate Nbc Poll shows harris with a Fivepoint Lead nationally among registered voters, 49 44. Trumps 44 in this poll is the lowest level of support that the former president has seen in any poll that meet Cnn Standards since harris entered the race in july. But in the critical Battleground States that will ultimately decide the Election Harris and trump are in a virtual deadlock. The latest cbs yougov polls show harris has a slight two Point Edge among likely voters following the debates. This is higher for harris and it was last month, but its still within the margin of error and it wouldnt be 2024 without yet another debate over debates over the weekend, Vice President harris accepted a Cnn Invitation and to debate Donald Trump in atlanta on october 23. The setup would mirror the Trump Biden Debate from june me on the Debate Stage, have another debate is more to talk about in the voters of america deserve here the conversations that i think we should be having on substance, on issues on policies, whats your plan . Was my plan and we should have another one before election day. While harris pushes for a second showdown, trump is telling his rally crowds, its too late the problem with another debate is that its just too late. Voting has already started. Shes done one debate. Ive done two its too late to do another. Id love to in many ways, but its too late. Voting is cast of voters are out there immediately us now to discuss David Frum, Staff Writer for the atlantic, Alex Thompson, cnn political analyst, national political reporter for axios. Matt gorman, former Senior Advisor for tim Scotts President Ial Campaign, and Meghan Hays, the former director of messaging such planning at the biden white house. Welcome to all of you. Thank you so much for being here. Alex thompson, let me start with you because we also have some new polling out just this morning, New York Times, Sienna College Polling that shows harris with a within the margin of error in North Carolina, 47 at 49, it shows a little bit of a wider spread in georgia and in arizona. The other Sunbelt States this Polling News for her, which seems to be pretty positive, certainly got good reaction from the sources ive talked to you over the weekend. Also, coupled with some reports in the Washington Post, the New York Times, both did Big Star worries about Donald Trumps relative lack of discipline and challenges inside his campaign here in the final weeks of the race, what are you hearing about where things stand and how things are moving here with just six weeks to go yeah. I mean, these polls and Kamala Harriss world are really keeping together this campaign because this campaign, this is not the ideal way to run a president Ial Campaign, entering just a few months ago. And then none of these, a lot of these people are not people that she hired that are on this campaign it serve a competent ancient of biden people who she doesnt totally trust her own people. Plus all these obama, 20 2012 operatives. And the fact is that as long as the polls are good that things are going to keep going well. But if the polling ever turns south, there are a lot of sort of subtle tensions within this world and you could start seeing some subtle fingerpointing. Now that being said, theyre going to keep saying, where are the underdog, where the underdog, where are the underdog . That is, theyre Talking Point that matter is that they are feeling pretty good about where they are and thats part of the reason also why they are not doing interviews. Because they feel that they could can still coast and let Donald Trump be the main character and possibly still win david from your view on that, because of course, as Harris Team, i mean, i take alexs point about the ways if in fact they were to stop feeling ahead again, its much easier to run a campaign when you feel like youre winning, its smoother sailing we are starting to see the Trump Campaign. Obviously have a little bit more infighting, some potential tensions between the top, susie wiles, chris lacivita, Core Lewandowsky cream, some reporting in the Washington Post. What do you make of all of it . Can i start with your headline about the polls we opened this segment by saying there are new polling this week in that show Kamala Harris, probably five percentage points ahead of Donald Trump in the polling, but its closer in the battleground, states. Now what have we rephrase that . Kamala harris is five points ahead in national polling, which translates to an advantage of probably seven or 8 Million votes. But in the states where its close, its close because the way you get to be a Battleground State is the state where its close. But this election is widening and its very much what happened. I think this year, what happened in 1980 when ronald reagan, were between reagan and carter, it was close, close, close until its sudden Wasnt Close in the last monthandahalf of the election when the leader pulled away what were watching is the leader pulling away. And i think one of the questions i am contemplating is when its all said and done, will the Trump Campaign say the problem was that the president was older and he didnt got lazy. He didnt work very hard and we need to find a harder working younger trump or do they learn some real lessons here . But about what the country is like and this kind of authoritarian, racist corrupt style of politics doesnt work. It doesnt work in North Carolina. It doesnt work for Donald Trump. And it doesnt to work when you give it a Law Degree at a at a better Haircut And J. D. Vance matt gorman, let me let me give it to you to respond to what david said there and also with the question, is he right . That harris is pulling away here . Is that what were seeing . Yeah. I mean, look at that. The public polling nationally, shes his shes going to have a consistent lead. I mean, i think what youve probably sees the popular vote. She might likely get. Again in the Swing States, she can rub margin that the more democratic states, Swing States that were tight before theyre tight again, its a matter of kind of what it is. I think what were seeing now with the New York Times sienna polls along with some of the other polling is this is a really good zoning out three states. Pennsylvania, georgia, North Carolina and really who can get two of those three states . North carolina kinda got the headlines last couple of days because of Mark Robinson. Understandably, but really pennsylvania is also going to be the biggest prize. You so hard to get where you need to go for 270 without it. And then if if you get it, your adding to open up a measurably, you only need georgia along with pennsylvania or obviously North Carolina. So i think that is that look, i think this is you know, youre seeing a bit of polling, but for harris, absolutely, its the debate combined with also we havent really he had a coherent message from the Trump Campaign since the debate ended. And then this is a byproduct of that Meghan Hays, do you agree . Yeah, i actually do really agree with matt here. I also think that, you know, polls are a snapshot in time which weve all talked about. And i think that the polling im not sure that the polling is accurate and enough to kids recapture some of the things i think we always thought it was going to they close. Theres going to be closed when Joe Biden was running. Its now close when the Vice President Is Running, but i do think that some of these unfortunate incidents that are happening with the Republican Party in North Carolina and some of the other stories that are making news will impact turnout, which i do think will have an end, well have a result in The End. In november. And like matt said, with trump not being able to get a cohesive message that is only in the democrats favor where the Vice President Is Running on vibes and being able to capture the enthusiasm. We are also being able to capitalize on some of Donald Trumps downfalls i dont think we should say that donald dont have a clear message, isnt hes got a very clear message. This country needs to go to war with Taylor Swift and stop patients from Eating Dogs i mean, that was the subject of two of these big, these big stories in the times and the post over the weekend as you point out that that is that is what they have. Thats breaking through at the moment. Your point your point is well taken. All right. Coming up here On Cnn this morning, a battle without limits. That is how hezbollah describes the new phase of fighting with israel underway. As we speak, plus returning to Earth A trio of Astronauts Undocking from the international Space Station and heading home. Thats gonna be one of the five things you have to see this morning. Plus well North Carolina flipped blue for the first time in 16 years. Were going to ask the states former republican governor Pat Mccrory joins us live were going to win North Carolina. Were going to defeat Kamala Harris and were going to make america great. Again. Were going to make somebody says all seen in the stricken a break from Breaking News to air. Have i got news for you . Breaking news. Im getting a sandwich. We need to talk about what constitutes Breaking News. Provide got news for you saturday at nine on Cnn And Streaming next day john max. Im gonna give you this designer bag. If you can prove to me that you know your finances, lets do it. How many subscriptions do you have . Probably just netflix and spotify. All right. Its saying you have 13 subscriptions, which is costing around 270 a month. 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Urging israel to deescalate israeli prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu issuing this message over the weekend the past few days, we have struck hezbollah with a series of blows. It didnt imagine his blood didnt get the message. I assure you they will get the message we are determined to return our citizens in the north to their homes safe collar, but no country can tolerate incoming fire dozens incoming fire against him and we took them off the state of Israel And Wont on his tolerated joining us. Now cnn international diplomatic editor, nic robertson, who is live for us in tel aviv. Nic, bring us the latest here. Weve been looking all morning at a live picture of the horizon where you can see the smoke rising from lebanon huge number of site strikes extensive is how the Idf Spokesman described it this morning when he described it earlier this morning, those early dawn strikes he said there were about 150 of them into lebanon over wide geographical area, perhaps the widest area in lebanon that weve seen in one series of strikes, but late to this morning, theres been a second wave of israeli Air Force strikes into lebanon. Thats what were looking at now and according to the idf, thats over 300 strikes and to lebanon and for the first time, as you were mentioning, the idf is warning residents and villages along the lebaneseisraeli border to evacuate and leave their homes. If they believe that houses nearby have hezbollah Teams Hezbollah missiles within them, its a very clear warning from the idf. And if we look at what theyve done and what theyve said previously in other arenas such as gaza. When they say these, when they make these warnings to civilians the idf for a generally follows up with those strikes and then released video today, sharing a strike on a building, they say how a Hezbollah Cruise Missile inside of it. So it really is becoming a much more wide scale offensive today. Administrative information in beirut has said that theyve also received a warning to evacuate their building directly the received a phone call. They say that this is psychological Scare Tactics but what were witnessing in lebanon at the moment is a number of people and a number of villages and towns are evacuating and moving away quite how many people isnt clear at the moment, but the white house, this of course, creating concern and John Kirby the national Security Adviser that had this very clear statement for the israeli leadership believe that a Military Conflict and were saying this directly to our israeli counterparts, george, we dont believe that escalating this Military Conflict is in their best interests. Its certainly not going to be in the best interest of all those people that prime Minister Netanyahu says he wants to be able to send back home but if you look at whats been happening over the past week now for the decision to israels cabinet decision, the Governments Decision here to make the northern front the border with lebanon. Part of their war aims weve seen this steady escalation that escalation is continuing today all right. Nic robertson for us this morning. Nick, very grateful to have you thanks for being there for us. All right. More to come after the break. A Scandal Throwing in North Carolina, Governors Race into turmoil. Will it cause issues for the top of the ticket, Donald Trump in that Battleground State plus a Robot Helping Police with a standoff in texas. Its one of the five things you need to see this morning sunday at nine On Cnn or you are ready to connect to a perfect journey with Turkish Airlines to feel welcomed and to feel refreshed unforgettable slavery to reach new heights of happiness connect to a journey thats perfect. Because of you create a city that people can dream about doping yes, turn into this sobeys. 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Youll be hearing a lot about helene in the days to come that as our next name on the atlantic hurricane season. And for good reason, the national Hurricane Center has tagged a very organized cluster of showers and storms over the western and caribbean. Invest, meaning that theyre going to focus a lot of attention on this approaching Storm System that will develop likely into, into oppression tropical storm and eventually a hurricane with the potential of a powerful landfall in hurricane by later this week as it florida Gulf Of Mexico coastline, now is the time to review your Hurricane Evacuation routes. Get your Hurricane Kit in place, and also keep an eye on the forecast anywhere from the Florida Panhandle Right through the Tampa Bay that is worthy clustering of our ensemble monitors a models that we look at the Weather Models that give us the guidance on where the storm is going. Although there has been some shifting to the east in the overnight model, Soul Monitor that quickly, one things for sure, a lot of Warm Water ahead of this Storm System, that means we have the potential for a strengthening storm. And you can see the differences between the european model, a weaker storm further to the west, the american model, further to the east, and a stronger, more powerful storm, making landfall about the same time later, thursday and into the early friday morning, were going to monitor the Gulf Of Mexico for helene in the days to come, lots of Rain Potential for flooding and tornadoes with this system as well all right. Lots to watch. Derek Van Dam for us this morning. Derek thank you. Alright. Still ahead here On Cnn this morning, theres a plan in place to avoid it. Possibly government shutdown. Is it going to work or have details just ahead plus North Carolina governor Pat Mccrory joins us to talk about the race in North Carolina. 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One thing he didnt mention though the North Carolina race for governor, where embattled republican candidate Mark Robinson was a fixture of trump rallies. There continues to face calls to resign after Cnn Report revealed lewd posts he made on a pornography websites message forum. The Harris Campaign, seizing on the Robinson Scandal by tie him to trump in ads like this and hes been unbelievable lieutenant governor, Mark Robinson for me, theres no compromise on abortion. I think youre better than Martin Luther The King. We could pass a bill, say, you cant have an abortion in North Carolina for any Risks Abortion in this country. Its about killing a child because you werent responsible enough to keep youre stuck down. Ive been with them. Ive gotten to know him and hes outstanding. Donald trump and Mark Robinson. Theyre both wrong for North Carolina all right joining. Us now to discuss former republican governor of North Carolina, Pat Mccrory, governor wonderful to have you on the show. Its great to see you again so great seeing you again. Casey really appreciate you being up early with us to kind of walk through this mean, obviously that ad that the Harris Team put out, they raised that together, they released it on friday after for this Cnn Story broke. But the word theyre using, there are ones that comments that he made long before we learned all of this about what he had said on a pornography website, my question for you is whether or not mean we knew robinson was going down, right . That was something that was baked in already. But does this new and potentially worsening set of issues for him impact the top of the ticket in a way that you think is going to be decisive it could make a determination of several thousand votes at a minimum and several thousand votes me a lot in North Carolina because every election North Carolina at the president ial level its a governors level. And at the senate level, which we dont have this year, it can be within one or two percentage points. I know. Listen, i lost the election in North Carolina by 10,000 votes that are 4. 6 million. So every vote makes a difference in right now, the republicans are running away from robinson as quick as they can. His Campaign Staff Half is Finance Manager and his Campaign Manager resigned yesterday. The trump people have actually quit being with him for the past month because the rumors were out there that more was out on robinson. Theres already a lot out there on his Business Ethics due to a nonprofit that hed had the Trump Team is trying ive been trying to keep them away for well over a month down. So most of the clips that the Harris Campaign is using are older clips, but theyre going to try to connect the two as much as possible to maybe impact 5102030000 votes, which could make the difference in the president Ial Campaign right here in North Carolina are you there is no loyalty in plant. There is no Law Loyalty in politics well, i mean, look, Donald Trump tries to demand it from people, but yeah, clearly in this instance, they are there. And my question on that is how far are they going to go . I mean, do you do you see or are you picking up signs that they are trying to push him to get out of the race entirely. Do think that they would that would help them. Is that even possible at this point i dont think its even possible at this point. This robinson has dug in his heels denying everything. But the denials are pretty general. In fact, Senator Thom Tillis came out with a unique announcement yesterday, basically challenged him, either defend yourself, challenged the report or get out and so its interesting how some of the republicans, especially at a dc, are responding right now. And i thought that was an interesting response by Senator Thom Tillis, either challenge the Cnn Report or get out and hes not exactly saying hes saying its not true, but hes doesnt have people providing any evidence to the contrary thats correct. Thats correct. And if that would if that sort of report was directed toward me when i was running for office, id be fighting like the dickens, even legally. And he doesnt seem to be doing that plus, he has other baggage thats been the reason why hes been falling behind or in the last two or three months, a lot of it related to Business Ethics with a nonprofit that he and his wife were a part of and theres some investigations going on right there. But the Trump Team has been moving away from him for a while now. He bullied his way onto a stage several weeks ago with sheriffs. He wasnt invited and robinson went up on the stage with the sheriffs. What when he wasnt supposed to be interesting governor, theres a report out over the weekend from the Associated Press on kind of a Ground Operation that the Trump Team does or doesnt have in place, and theyre doing their Ground Operation an unorthodox way. They have outsourced it basically, and the ap writes this with fewer than 50 he days until the November 5 election. Dozens of republican officials, activists, operatives in michigan, North Carolina, other Battleground States say that they have rarely or never witnessed the groups canvassers in arizona and nevada, the musk backed political Action Committee replaced its Doorknocking Company just this past week. Thats of course a reference to Elon Musk what evidence do you have . What have you seen in terms of the trump Ground Operation in North Carolina, specifically, do you think that theyre doing what they need to do ive seen very little grabbed operation most of the campaign is being run on Tv Ads right now by both parties and its just dominating their waves right now. Theres one unique thing that were maybe not seen in the polls. We do not know not only North Carolina, but georgia, florida, and nevada, arizona, what i call the Transplant Covid votes. So many people during covid moved North Carolina from new york, Pennsylvania California so we theyve never voted in North Carolina and these are Tens Of Thousands of people. And i think thats the unknown is what type of voter moved during covid to the Sunbelt States. And how will they vote . And i think thats the unknown, thats going to occur in all of these Swing States. And by the way, the states like michigan and pennsylvania, people move from those states to the Sunbelt States. So they could even have an impact on pennsylvania and michigan, not knowing who that voter is at this point in time its really thats a really interesting thought governor, briefly before i let you go, youve been involved in no labels. Who even a vote for this cycle, Donald Trump or Kamala Harris. Well, one thing ive learned, first of all, im in media now i have My Own Media show called own spun on pbs. So im staying away from that. But another thing i think our founders were bury it and having a Secret Ballot and has to cancel culture of today. I would recommend people maybe keep their vote quiet at this point in time because of the governor of North Carolina not saying youre going to vote for Donald Trump wont acknowledge harris either, but i take your point about the Secret Ballot. Thank you. I really appreciate your time, sir thank you less than two months away from election day. Republicans are still still trying to figure out how to campaign on the issue of abortion ever since the Supreme Court overturned Roe Versus Wade and got rid of the federal right to an abortion. It has largely been an issue that we have seen democrats take the high. Theyve been winning on it basically now, it seems Donald Trump is trying to reassure Women Voters on this issue. You will no longer be thinking about abortion because it is now where it always had to be with the states and with the vote of the people. I will protect women at a level never seen before i will protect women as i havent. You have never seen before. Matt gorman, i want to put this to you because this is something that trump has really gone back and struggled to message on what is going on here. And are people going to buy it . Yeah, i mean, look, i think we a lot of setting right now, i think what republicans going into this size that we needed to win men than we need to lose women. Dems, the opposite need to be true, right . Thing to why youre seeing its easier for trump to pump the margins up with men by say, going up thiele wants podcast, playing golf. Bryson dechambeau on youtube than it is to try and win back some of that lost Women Vote in some polls at work. But the Nbc Poll that came out yesterday showed us losing ground and when theyre, were losing women more than losing meant at least in that poll. And i guess the remarks at the both on truth, social at the rally, tell me that the Trump Internals likely see something similar right now. So theyre trying to claw back some of that Gender Gap on among women that they really need to do. And i think that is where you see something like that where its for trump, very scripted, very clear, objective out there, which is rare David Frum, do you agree . What do you see here and how this cuts that the voter has no memory Donald Trump believes the voter doesnt know anything, and almost drawn. Trump believes everyone wakes up every morning and the world is completely born in and so if he says something today, he can contradict his whole life. He can contradict everything thats been happening. But look, since dobbs the Dobbs Decision was handed down and abortion, the national federal Abortion Right was removed in the United States americans obscene republican state after republican state put women under Surveillance Regime that unlike anything, this country has seen since maybe the aftermath. Well, since its darkest days and that doesnt go away just because Donald Trump has some new Talking Point he does. He cant, he doesnt believe the world is real. He just thinks you can say whatever you want and everything becomes new. But voters remember one last thing when one of the things i think its very clear when you listen to Donald Trump and even more Is Running mate j. D. Vance talk about americans. They see men, they think the typical american voter as a man. But of course, more american voters or women than men to typical american voter is a woman. And until republicans can turn lies, that truth and until they wanted to speak that way, until they begin to bring women into the very highest levels of decision making everything. Every time Donald Trump speaks about women you hear the Eu People in it. You, you, its never, its never, its never together. Its always you. I will do this for you and you will owe me even though i did the opposite yesterday and all the years before that Meghan Hays very briefly, it seems revealing to me that this is what they are doing and that it seems to send a message that they are concerned about where this is yeah, absolutely. But weve been saying this for months, right. But the problem is they cant keep themselves on message and they keep criticizing women in a way that is just unproductive and unhelpful to them. I do think that they are trying to be out there and hes trying to stay on message and you can see hes almost uncomfortable saying those things out loud and that is his message. But you saw yesterday and that that same Nbc Poll that matt talked about, that people see the Vice President as the change candidate. So i mean thats interesting that he is going to take credit for the Dobbs Decision, but then also said that hes going to protect women and i just dont think that women, especially women, are going to see it that way in november yeah. Alex thompson, quick final thought i think you are going to see potentially the biggest Gender Gap in this election in American History. And how women and men are voting matters completely right . That trump has really more focused on driving up that male vote rather than the female vote. And thats why it was just going off the cuff. One remark in that rally all right fair enough. 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Voting is already started all right, more backandforth this weekend as voters wait to hear whether or not were going to get to watch a second president ial debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, the Vice President , accepting an invitation from cnn to Debate Trump on october 23, would be just short of two weeks from election day. Trump recently told reporters he would consider a second debate if he quote gun in the right Mood And Quote has yet to agree to the Cnn Proposal trumps old debate coach, the former new Jersey Governor Chris christie, predicting that there will be another president ial debate before November 5, if the polls continue to move a bit away from trump, you know how much he focuses on that and hes going to need something to change it. And in todays media landscape, absent a big mistake by one or the other. This is the only his competence been shaken after the first today, ahmad is confidence shaken. Know he he will convince himself that if she gets in the ring with him again, that hell knock her out, either kill eventually capitulate all, right joining us now is mark mckinnon. He is a former adviser to george w bush, john mccain. He has also creator of paramounts the circus. Mark wonderful to see you. Thank you so much for being here. What do you think is Christie Right . Good morning, kasie. Yeah, hes right on point. And debates are the one opportunity in the only Opportunity Left in 45 days where you can really move the dial and i guarantee you that if trump is losing, hes going to be looking for any lifeboat that he can to get back in the race. So i think im unquestionably hes got to look to it. I think cnn your platform he was pretty pleased with the last resort. He liked the moderators. He thought it was a fair, a fair debate. So i think that he will absolutely be jumping on board because theres the old politician that you remember, Haley Barbour from mississippi who had a great saying. He says good get better, bank gets worse and thats when that phase of the campaign, right . Now, things are going well for harrison thank you. Gone bad for trump, but hes got to do something to change the dynamic do you think that his advisers would offer that that same advice to him even knowing how he performed last time and seeing the degree to which he has not really stick stuff at the program that they have laid out for him yeah. I think i suspect that the advisers are 100 alignment that he needs to do another debate listen, they know whats going on. They know that the Windsor Shift in the garage and by the way, the most interesting thing ive seen over the weekend, kasie, is that the fundamental of any president ial races . Is it a change or is it an incumbent reelection to people want change or more of the same . And this is absolutely a change election, which is the big challenge for harris because shes technically an incumbent as the Vice President thats big. Theyve been chamfers. How does she argued for change when shes an incumbent and the latest polls that i saw over the weekend is that she yes. Shifted that number that people believe that she more than trump for the first time, represents change, which is an amazing feat for an incumbent Vice President to do in an election year. So thats, thats the most important thing that ive seen changed over recent days and i know that theyve Trump Campaign as well aware that if im on their team i say we got to get back in the ring on tv. Its so interesting you point that out, that number in the Nbc Poll we were just here in new York Screening new film about james carville, who, as you well, remember had that that is like his one of his defining principles of how you win an election and is that you have to be the candidate for change. How do you think it is that they have pulled that off well its been an incredibly disciplined campaign and the compressed nature of the campaign has been really helped. I mean, first of all, shes she doesnt talk about it, which i think is really smart. Thats one of the things youll learn from losing campaigns. Ive learned a lot more from losing and winning. She learned a lot from hillary clintons, you got a lot of lessons there and one of them is, dont talk about changed, be change, shes an african american woman running to be the first african american Woman President in history . Three people get that they know that that just says change itself. You dont need to talk about it. It just is. And shes been very disciplined about separating herself from biden. She talked about policies and change. Just talked about she talked about the Freedom Agenda instead of the democracy agenda. And shes instead of Making Trump a threat shes diminished them and make them small. So all those things say shes different, different than biden different approach, different have democratic president and of course that was the whole clinton mantra. Different kind of democrat. And shes done a really good job of making it clear. Shes not an id to log, shes a practical more centrist Focus Candidate running to unite the country country. And i think that that is just screamed change across the board very interesting, mark both the Washington Post and the New York Times kind of had their versions of the Trump Campaign behind the scenes in fighting kind of outlining how trump himself has swung back and forth between talking about people eating pets, to hating Taylor Swift basically the litany of things that he has done to hurt himself here in the final weeks what impact do you think trumps lack of discipline is having at this stage considering how just how damn close to this election is its got to be driving all of them crazy because the roadmaps very clear. I mean, talk about the economy, talk about the border, talk about inflation. Thats all you got to do, right . And theres a clear path and again, sort of just on by the numbers on paper, this should be a republican election if you just follow the fall the plan, but he cant tell the planets or what does he do . He throws corey lewandowski, which is like throwing a Cherry Bomb and the toilet i mean, he walks in and basically says to the Campaign Infrastructure thats already there and coming for you. So that just creates Infighting And Chaos at a time when you really need unity. So like i said, its Haley Barbours was bad it gets worse and thats kind of where they are on the ramp in red now love i love a Haley Barbour Quote on a monday morning, mark mckinnon, im so grateful to have you. Thank you for being here. I hope to see you next week thanks all right now to this, Donald Trump seems to be suggesting this election will be the last time he runs for president , even if he loses he did this interview with Cheryl Atkinson where he was asked what would happen if he loses in november if youre not successful this time, do you see yourself running again in four years . No, i dont no, i dont i think that that will be that will be it. I dont see that at all. I think hopefully were going to be successful all right. Our panel is back David Frum you heard him there saying hes not going to run again if he loses your thoughts his pre lose like hes losing in his own mind thats why hes desperately selling Silver Coins when he should be campaigning. Thats what Mike Johnson is ignoring Donald Trumps demands and threats and keeping the government open this weaker as keeping the government open when trump wants the government shot thats why his wife is hocking this book. And thats why he seems so depressed every time you see him, he is tasting to beat. He knows whats happening, and he cant exert himself from mobilize himself in order to do anything thats why hes doing so theyll few events. Hes listless. His lethargic, and hes losing in his own mind that his world is crashing in on him. Hes pre losing matt gorman. Do you think trump is losing the election right now . I mean, look at the polls. I mean, i think hes certainly not in it doesnt momentum. Hes not in the kind of the capper. See, Harris Campaign can claim there the underdog going to get its Talking Points. But right now, the polls show theyre not especially coming out of the Nbc Poll. And a couple others, weve seen especially last five or so days. Now, look, thatll tight and we all we all went through this exact same process a month ago with the neverending honeymoon it itll titan back down where were still 40 some odd days is an attorney it but that being instead right now the more preferential position is where the Harris Campaign is rather the trump position. I was struck by his comments that too i think he was it was very blunt that well see. I mean, who knows a lot can happen to change that is age certainly notwithstanding. But yeah, i was struck by the comments yeah Alex Thompson honestly, 40 some odd days is an eternity in Politics Anything could change. Here. There is this question of another debate you heard what mackinnon had to say. I mean, i tend to agree with them, right . Its if trumps losing, he needs to do something to change it. Thats an opportunity. Does the Harris Team thing think that theres going to be another debate if, if at The End of october theyre really not sure and lets do a few things trumps comments that its too late to do it a debate are complete bs because Donald Trump also participated in october debates. The last two election cycles. But the fact of matter is that Donald Trumps camp campaign, youre there is a thought that because Kamala Harris is much more comfortable on Debate Stage than she is during in some ways by denying her debate, its denying her oxygen. So shes not doing interviews. And so theres if you if youre Donald Trump and you think she needs oxygen, she needs to be able to introduce herself hello, to make voters more comfortable with the idea for or being president , not during the debate could also deny her oxygen Meghan Hays, what do you think were going to see another one i actually do think we will see another debate because i think that he will feel desperate and need to get out there. But on the comments that he made about about losing the one thing that struck me was he didnt even fight that. He wasnt going to lose. He wasnt trying to muddy the waters if the election, whats going to be rigged and all the other things that he normally does, which i think shows that he liked David Frum said is probably more accepting that he might lose the election and is more coming to reality with that yeah. Its an interesting its a good, its a good point that you raised that he often tries to suggest that something is going to be nefarious and he didnt do it. Their all of you. Thank you so much for being with us this morning. Really appreciate your time. Hope to see you soon. Thanks to