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And it comes as Vice President Kamala Harris dead accept an invitation from cnn to debate the former president on October 23 this would be their second meeting on a public Debate Stage and would have taken place in the final few weeks of the campaign. So after initially rejecting a second debate with harris following his September 10 showdown with her, Abyla Delphine Lesson tweak trump suggested that he might be open to another debate. The Cnn Debate would mirror the June Debate between President Biden and trump on cnn which had a very similar format in which trump in this case, trump and harris, would field moderators questions for 90 minutes and it would be without out a live Studio Audience and would take place at the Cnn Studios here in atlanta. So again, just a short time ago i spoke with the Harris Campaign Communications Director who underscored that harris did agree to it. And the director saying the american voters deserve to see the candidates face off again before the election it would be unprecedented in modern american president ial history for the two candidates who are running to only engage in one debate. So we believe that the american people deserve to see that Donald Trump im im solve has said he said many things when it comes to debates, but hes famously said hes willing to debate anytime, anywhere, any place he thinks he won both debates. And so he should have no problem showing up to show off his promise once again, on the Debate Stage. And we think thats what the american people deserve to see alright, so again, were told by the Trump Campaign that he is not accepting cnns invitation. Weve got a team of correspondents and analysts covering these developments for us well get to you chief media analysts, Brian Stelter in a moment. First, lets go to you, Steve Contorno at Trumps Rally in North Carolina where the former president is set to speak at any moment. So once again, were hearing from the campaign that trump is not taking cnn on the invitation to do a second debate. Thats correct. Friday. Kate sullivan, our reporters spoke just moments ago with the Trump Campaign and they directed her to trumps previous statement that has put on truth, social the morning after the debate where he said quotes, there will be no third debate. So that is continuing to be his posture heading into these final six weeks here. Now, of course, Donald Trump is liable to change his mind. He has done it many times in the past, even as you noted a few moments ago after reporting that statement out, said that he might change his mind if he was quoting the right mood. So well have to see, but for now, the posture of the campaign is taking that there would be no third debate. Voting has already begun in several of these states and they dont see a need for them mr. Cannons to go headtohead once more okay. And then a cve. Do we have any idea what he is likely to talk about today . There from wilmington, North Carolina where the crowd is waiting. I mean, talk to me about the temperature. Is that hot . It looks really pretty good weather, so good turnout, but what are they hoping to hear from trump today, or what is he even planning to say yeah, It Looks It Looks are deceiving. It is very hot here and we actually have seen several people receive medical attention in the audience so far, trumps plane just landed. Moments that goes so we expect him to take the stage any minute and coming into this this events he was posting on truth social about the Women Vote and how he hopes to court them this time around. Take a look at this post where he said that women four years ago were poor, less healthy, less safe, more depressed, less optimistic than they were when he was president. He also said, quote he will no longer be thinking about abortion because it has nowhere, nowhere. It will always hit Brett Wade is where its always had to be. And that is with the states that obviously is coming after Vice President harris has made abortion a centerpiece of her campaign against the former president. And look, thats an important issue in states like North Carolina carolina, this is a very dynamic state. One that is fast changing, especially in the suburbs Around Charlotte that are growing exponentially. And if you take a look at the polling in the state women overwhelmingly support Vice President harris over the former president , 60 of them, in fact, in a recent quinnipiac poll, said that they would support harris over Donald Trump bet is bile larger margin than President Biden had in this state with women just four years ago. So clearly a Concern Term for Donald Trump as he heads into the final weeks of this race, how he is performing with women and that truth social posts is a glimpse into what his message will be to them. In this state and all across the country, fred okay. Steve. Thank you so much i want to bring in Brian Stelter now, so brian, thats the reporting thus far that Trump Campaign is saying that the former president will not participate in another debate. The one that Kamala Harris has agreed to October 23, to be hosted by cnn do you think hes going to change his mind . Mark me down as skeptical, fred, i think we should keep checking in and maybe well hear a different answer tomorrow. And for the following couple of reasons, number one, the president , the former president , he knows the value of television ratings. A number two, he also knows even if he doesnt believe the polls that harris has been gaining some ground, theres a lot that can happen in the next month or so there could cause trump to want to have another debate. And now we know the offer is out there. Well see what happens. I reported earlier this week from the harris, but point of view, harris was still angling for a debate. She was undeterred by trumps claims that he wouldnt debate her again, cnn and other networks have been trying to make a rematch happen. So why didnt harris agree to this one today . Well this October 23 date was cnn. My sources suggest a couple of reasons why harris agreed. Number one, she wanted to Vp Debate to go first, the Vp Debate scheduled for October 1 between vance and walz. Thats going to happen No Matter What. On October 1, second, she wants to get trump back on to say yes, some way. And because trump was happy with it the Cnn Debate, because he praised cnn afterward, that may have factored into her decision to agree to the Cnn Offer of October 23rd. Heres one more twist. Fred his hands proposed this new debate happened in atlanta, the same place where trump took on biden imagine right for trump, he believes that he knocked biden out of the race at that cnn did bait so cnn saying, hey, come back to the same studio here at the cnn headquarters. Lets do it again. We know that as of this afternoon, the campaign says hes not a green, but mark me down as skeptical. This is going to hold honestly, fred, its probably its probably 50, 50, right. And donald, the art of the deal, trump. I would imagine would counter perhaps, or say, well, these are the conditions. In which would allow me to say yes. I mean, theres room for that still yes thats, a great, point. I find it a little bit im a little bit skeptical that he would want j. D. Vance to have the last word, right . His Running Mate is going to be debating on October 1st up against him walz, thats going to be a highly viewed debate on October 1, is that really going to be the final debate of the calendar . It may be but if that is the final debate, harris will start to do Town Halls on multiple networks. Im told according to a source, harris is going to be out there trying to get those television eyeballs. Trump is going to want that as well. By the way, larry sabato, great political scientists, just made an interesting point on twitter. He said yes October 23rd, lots of early votes will have been cast, but those are mostly by people that made up their mind months ago. Theres gonna be a base of undecided voters who will still have questions by mid and late october, even on halloween, theyre not going to know who theyre Gonna Vote for. Thats my a debate late in october might be really valuable. If trump does change his mind degrees thats right. Okay well, ill keep it there. I wasnt saying it could be spooky, could be scary, you know youd ever know something else there is still time. Alright, Brian Stelter. Thank you so much. All right. Joining me right now is the Washington Correspondent for the News And Observer all right. Daniel battaglia, danielle, good to see you. So, you know, trump is in wilmington, North Carolina right now while his campaign has said he says no to the debate, i mean, anything could happen, right he is a pretty unpredictable and well be listening to see if he has any he kind of other acknowledgement to the Cnn Invitation on that stage. So give me an idea who you think besides justice supporters, you know, who is there, what is the trump that they are expecting to see when they show up for a rally of this caliber in wilmington, North Carolina republicans in North Carolina are very supportive of Donald Trump, especially The Ones that show up to this rally. So these are the republicans that have his support or give him his so their support they are going to be more of the Hardcore Trump supporters and you will see a lot of politicians from North Carolina, from the republican party there supporting him. Weve already seen a lot of Social Media Posts from them saying that hes coming and trying to get people excited about his presence in the state okay. And as we watch these live pictures and still await his arrival, i mean, talk to me about what Response And Feedback is coming from cnns reporting about the lewd and explicit comments made by the Lieutenant Governor who was the republican gubernatorial frail candidate, Mark Robinson. We know that the trump folks have said to him that hes not welcome in this arena, so hes unlikely to show up and in several other occasions on the Campaign Trail in North Carolina, the two have been together, robinson and trump. So do you think that voters there felt like they knew everything there was to know about Mark Robinson or are they surprised about this latest reporting in these posts . Im not sure its surprise would be the right word. This is the kind of Rhetoric Weve seen from Mark Robinson before. Im not sure its been this intensified. And in their faces, but i also have seeing a lot of feedback that republicans are not buying the story. They believed that it was fabricated and are believing Mark Robinsons denial of the story and saying that it wasnt real not to take away from your reporting. Do you guys did an amazing job reporting the story . But there is some republican backlash to this, where his hardcore supporters are not believing what is been shown to them so the deadline for robinson to step down, it passed robinson denies the cnn reporting you know, blaming the Website Posts in part on auditory official intelligence or coming from haters. So do you see that it might impact the outcome of that gubernatorial contest or even the president ial Race Outcome in North Carolina i mean, obviously its very early on and its yet to be seen. I think it could have a lot of different impact facts, but i think the major concern for republicans right now is this is their nominee for governor, and they have to figure out when they have shown so much support for him in the last yearandahalf, two years four years of his political career, they now have to figure out if they want to continue to carry that into this election. And risk what that will do to the former president and his campaign, but also the downballot elections. So there are kind of in a tough spot trying to figure out how to navigate this very quickly. Ive seen some people reacting my twitter saying, no, we arent, were were fine, but the republicans are being pretty quiet on this right now. So republican politicians in the gop down there. So its im really curious how hes going to handle this at this rally today. All right, this as again, were looking at live pictures. There in wilmington, North Carolina. We just saw trumps plane arrived there and soon hell be deplaning and their two awaiting adorning fans there and supporters. So i wonder danielle, you know, trump has been a fan of robinson. Will voters who are unconditionally sticking with trump there in North Carolina likely to do the same for robinson i am really fascinated by that question you saw the statistics. You guys showed earlier with women. One of the things that stood out to me this Campaign Cycle is when i talk to female voters who are supportive of robinson, some of his comments hes made about women had really frustrated get them and made them. They said theyll still support him, but they didnt like his comments. So im really curious what the comments that he has been said to make on these Social Media, not Social Media on these forums. How that will impact him in the election and whether they are going to stick with him. All right. Danielle battaglia of the News And Observer. Thank you so much. Thank you alright. 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New this hour, israel says it is launching another wave of attacks against hezbollah targets in Southern Lebanon. And it follows strikes on 100 at targets across Southern Lebanon earlier today earlier for projectiles launched from lebanon caused fires, but no casualties when they landed in northern israel also, lebanese officials say the Death Toll has risen to 37 after Fridays Strike on southern beirut several hezbollah leaders were killed in the strike, including one commander who was wanted by the u. S. Joining me right now is retired us Army Twostar major general dana pittard. Great to see you, general good afternoon. Fredricka. So iran and hezbollah both warning israel that it has crossed a line this week. Is this just rhetoric or reliant crossed . And there are likely to be some serious repercussions there may be serious repercussions but i dont believe a line has been crossed. Israel has the right to defend itself. Hezbollah has been Firing Rockets and missiles into northern israel ever since October 7 or the day after October 7, october 8, which has caused 70,000 israeli citizens to evacuated. So israel had a right to do that so strategically then, how prepared is israel for may potential, you know, sizable skirmish with hezbollah. And by extension, iran i think israel is in fact prepared now if we were talking back in october, it would have been a different story because of the focus on gaza. Gaza. Theyre now able to take some other units away from gaza. And move them to northern israel. And of course, the attack which very innovative and exploding pagers and walkietalkies cause such disarray with a commandandcontrol structure. Hezbollah, israel then struck and struck hard with airstrikes and to flip that question then how prepared are hezbollah and iran potentially if they were to have a skirmish, a war with israel we take both of those. I think iran is prepared to an extent, but does not want to have a conflict with israel. They saw what happened with their Massive Attack on israel that utterly failed hezbollah has the resources, but because their Command And Control is in disarray, they dont trust any of their communications systems. Now, itd be very, very difficult for them to launch attacks in a serious way against you from off for a little while and then what is the significance of the killing of that top Hezbollah Commander In Beirut strikes and is it likely that someone else just steps in but i think its very significant in fact, there were two commanders, the most senior one was abraham aqil, who was linked to the 1983 Beirut Bombing that killed 241 marines and soldiers in the barracks. And then okay. Mick wadi who was all so senior hezbollah of course, theres others that will step in. But they cant replace the experience of those two individuals israel says, its beginning of campaign to make israeli settlements along the Lebanon Border safe enough for residents to return is that feasible . I think its feasible to an extent if they cause enough damage with hezbollah and caused hezbollah to move their rockets even farther to the north than the 70,000 israeli citizens who had to vacua and possibly return all right. Well leave it there for now. General dana pittard. Great to see you. Thank you so much for your expertise thank you. Fredricka all right. Straight ahead. Some of americas top ceos are weighing in on who they think will win the 2024 election. One candidate got an overwhelming majority of support will explain why hi and again, live pictures right now out of wilmington, North Carolina where former President Trump is expected to take the stage at any moment now is plain to see in the background there just landing not a short, not a, not a long while ago. 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And its worth pointing out that this is not necessarily representative of all ceos, but it is representative of the 60 or so power players and business who are convened once a quarter and pulled anonymously by sonnenfeld, who is known as the Ceo Whisper know as far as why they expect harris to win, what element here . Could be relating to what they think these two candidates mean for democracy because they found that the vast majority, 73 of these ceos in this Straw Poll, they say that trump represents a threat to democracy. Only four 4 said that of harris, again, not even close sonnenfeld told me that these ceos are quote, horrified by Trumps Leadership Model and he went on to say they depend upon the rule of law. And want a president who respects the law. Now i asked the Trump Campaign to respond to these findings and the campaigns national Press Secretary said to me, does anyone think a Straw Poll of Business Leaders from yale represents the views of the country. And i think the clear answer there is no, but thats not the point. The point is that despite these polls that show the race remains very, very close. An overwhelming majority of these captains of industry, they expect its going to be harris in the Oval Office next year, not trump. On another important finding from this Straw Poll is how these ceos are feeling about the economy because its obviously a very confusing time. Weve seen cracks in the job market. The federal reserve has cut but Interest Rates very sharply. The first rate cut since covid. And yet the overwhelming majority of ceos in this yale stroke, sharp whole 84 say that the economy is headed towards a soft landing thats what were hoping for. That would be taming inflation without causing unemployment to spike. Now its true that these ceos, they dont have a Crystal Ball for if they do, they havent shared that with us. But this is important for two reasons. One, it shows a reversal from two years ago when many ceos feared a recession was a forgone conclusion they no longer feel that way or the other, perhaps more important reason why we pay attention to this is because it does signal underlying confidence from ceos. And the more confident they are, the more likely they are to invest to open new factories and new plans to hire more workers and ultimately in the long run, that confidence and those investments can keep this Economy Chugging along fredricka. All right. Matt egan. Thank you so much. Alright. Coming up, investigators in kentucky are searching for a motive after a judge is shot and killed inside his own chambers. And it was a sheriff who allegedly pulled the trigger new details straight ahead, and live pictures right now wilmington, North Carolina. There you see him, the former former president Donald Trump, theyre arriving at his rally there after plane just landed. He just got his limo. 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And thats the kind of president we need right now someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first i intend to be a president for all americans and focus on investing right now in you, the american people. And we can chart a new way forward. Im Kamala Harris and i approve this message. Im Bill Weir on the California Coast and this is cnn right to wilmington, North Carolina now where former president Donald Trump is speaking, lets listen in our cities and weve got to take care of that people, but theyre destroying our cities. And instead of a planet on the edge of global war, we will have world peace. We wont have World War three, which were very close were very close to having right now. Thats the future that awaits the american that we love under president donald j. Trump. But if you can, just your vote for Kamala Harris Comrade Comrade we call a comrade youre voting for four more years of brutal Job Losses higher taxes, surging prices, falling, wages and economic depression and despair. Other than that, youll be doing quite well. I take Action A Vote for Kamala Harris beads 40 or 50 Million more illegal aliens will invade across our borders. Stealing your money, stealing your job, stealing your life it means youre Police Forces will be gutted. Your guns will be confiscated and savage criminals will run wild in the streets. So thats what it means. You know thats what it means. You know, shes always said, we will confiscate all guns. Now she said go no guns or i think theyre wonderful. Doesnt work that way. Theyre going to confiscate your guns. Im The One thats protected and we, you know, we got the total endorsement of every Gun Group including the nra at have protected your second amendment. And if you think it was easy, it was not easy. If Kamala Harris is reelected, she will kill The American Dream forever. Shes not competent to be president either, but i dont want to be ruled i dont want to be rude shes not competent to be president did you see her on oprah . Thats not going to be bad. Zach edey be president . Oprah didnt know what the hell to do. Oprah was like embarrass you went to hide under the table shes a professional and she was able to sort of disguise it. No, she wanted to go right under the table, vote trump, and we will bring back The American Dream bigger, better, and stronger than ever. Before trusted with your Economy Or Anything else. Shes just i mean, how this happened, explained it to me, please. How did this happen . We also what happened and we see what happened. Kamala was a total Disaster Yesterday at it every other interview she has been just a freefall. I dont know what the hell is going on. She cant do an interview. She doesnt want to do them somethings wrong. Lets just take a look. Let me just say we have a little video. You know, we spent all the money or the screens. We want to use them a little bit. Lets play it just for a second. Thank you. The Kamala Word of the day is clearly story it is your story and the story all right. Our friends before you. All right, youre listening to former president Donald Trump there at his rally in wilmington, North Carolina incorrectly saying that Kamala Harris is proposing to confiscate all guns. She never said that, but she did say this week and revealed that she is a Gun Owner herself and that she is an advocate of stricter gun policies. In this country. I want to bring in, now, were going to continue to monitor the comments coming from the former president there. But meantime, lets bring in cnn political analyst Julian Zelizer. Julian, glad you could be with me here. All right, so were monitoring the comments coming from the former president. We understand through his campaign that he is not taking up cnn on its invitation for a second debate against a Kamala Harris. She today her campaign did agree to a second debate. It would have been October 23. Day is still young perhaps the former president would change his mind in your view, how unusual would it be that weve only seen one debate potentially from the president ial candidates with now just 45 days to go before Election Day well, unusual, not unprecedented before 1976, we only had one election with a debate that was nixon against kennedy and 19601980. I believe there was only one debate between Carter And Reagan that said every other campaigns in 76, there have been multiple debates which candidates often want because you can compensate for a bad performance. But look in this campaign where the schedules off, where the rules seem to be a little different. Julian, because of the former President Trump is talking about the debate invitation. Lets listen in for all of the fairness. They were very fair. In other words, they wont be fair again, because they took a lot of abuse from the Radical Abc was three on one but i was given credit for having done a very, very good job. I appreciate that. We did a great job. Was three on one problem with another debate is that its just too late. Voting has already started shes had her chance to do it with fox. No, fox invited us on and i waited and waited they turned it down. They turned it down, but now she wants to do a debate right before the election was cnn because shes losing badly, you know, its like a fighter. She sees the polls, she sees whats happening. Shes losing badly, but its like a fighter who goes into the ring and gets knocked out the first thing he says is i want a rematch. I want to remind match and i want all of the primaries. Remember she won none. She went into no primary. She got no votes biden in. Im no fan but in all fairness to him, he got 14 Million votes. She got none. Shes done one debate. Ive done to its too late to do another. Id love to in many ways, but its too late. The voting is cast. The voters are out there immediately, is everybody voting, please get out and vote one Day Voting Paper ballots, voter id, and proof of citizenship. And we have a nice, honest election one state you go forever i mean, its like a twoandahalf months and then they have the right to delay the count for weeks and we thought whole thing is crazy were going to get it changed. We got to get in when we get it, when we get in, were going to get this craziness change. Everyone knows that Kamala Harris cannot explain how she would make your life better because its really her policies that have destroyed this country in the last three years. She was the Border Czar now she says she wasnt the Border Czar doesnt matter. She was in charge of the border put there by sleepy Joe Biden he wanted to go to the beach. She said, i dont have time. I got to go to the Beach And Slip who to Hell Sleeps on camera. You have cameras watching . I dont want to ever fall asleep on live television. Kamala harris, course your family, 28,000 in higher prices last month alone, she lost figure this last month, they lost in this country, Donald Trump, 438,000 fulltime jobs. All right. Were listening to former president Donald Trump there he is now responding in full with the invitation from cnn for a second debate with Kamala Harris, October 23. He there just justified saying he says its too late. The voting has already started, and hes alleging that Cnn Debate wont be fair after it was fair in his view, when it was with biden. But again, 45 days out from Election Day, and it would be October 23 would be the debate that cnn has extended to both trump and Kamala Harris and trump, theyre saying its too late for another debate back with me now, Julian Zelizer also want to bring in to the fold here, former republican Congressman Charlie Dent of pennsylvania. All right. Good to see you both again. All right. So julia, lets finish up your thought. Now we hear from the former president says its just simply too late and voting has already started. So in other words, sea saying, why bother well, its not true. Theres plenty of time to have a debate. Weve seen how much you can pack into a month and i still think it would be valuable. Many, many people, most people will still vote on Election Day and i think it would be and official. And i dont think this is because shes losing in the polls. Shes not this is a close race. Shes very competitive if not ahead, in states like pennsylvania, very few polls suggest she lost the last debate so the real question, if you put all that aside, is why doesnt he want to have a second engagement . It would benefit all of the voters, i think to have one more opportunity to see the candidates sidebyside alright. And also with us is our correspondent as Steve Contorno, who was there in wilmington. And so steve, if you can hear me while we heard some of what Donald Trump had to say, you probably heard more what can you tell me . Everyone and you go any many blocks in the hi Steve Contorno, if you can hear me this fredricka, the studio when we heard a little bit from Donald Trump, there say, you know, essentially why bother having another debate. Its just too late in the process. He says, what more did he say mark it down. Thats right. Start. He really came out onto the Debate Stage or on those stage over there. And did address the question right away, which was not necessarily expected, but he said without any uncertainty that he does not intend to participate in another debate. He said shes losing badly and thats why she wants to have another debate. He said that its too late to do another. He said he would like to, but people are already voting. So it doesnt make sense to do one now that echoes what we had heard earlier in the day from his campaign pointed us to his statements that he released shortly after that Oneonone Debate with harris, where he said, quote, there will not be a third debate. And he is standing by that now we are 45 days a way until trump came and harris. Selection will decide who will be the next president. And it seems like at this point, the only be one debate between these two visuals monthly. Okay, steve, thanks so much. Former Congressman Charlie Dent back with us now. All right. So charlie, whats your viewpoint here . Is it unnecessary . Or would it be instructive for the former president to debate again . Well, i think the former president be crazy at the page again. I mean, hes not a particularly good debater he did terribly in the last debate. The only way he benefited from Joe Bidens implosion in the first debate. But hes not a good debater and he so easily triggered and trolled by Kamala Harris. She didnt he doesnt really we discuss policy well and he has a problem with facts and truth, so im sure his campaign doesnt want him to do another debate because i suspect they know it will go very badly. That its as simple as that. I just cant imagine a reason why he should go up there. Its just heal just have another dropping out. Well, you heard that the former president s bending it, theyre saying shes The One who performed so badly. And this is a rematch and thats what a fighter would do. But he needs to grow support. So we know his supporters are with him would it not be an opportunity too . Get more support i well, i guess he could its an opportunity, but the question is, what will he do . Well, he will he continue to be triggered . Will he be distracted . Holy talk about people in Ohio Eating Cats and dogs . Will he not be able to answer questions whether or not hes supports ukraine in the war against russia. I mean, i just dont know that hes capable of giving answers that would actually help them grow his support. Hes done nothing up to this point to really expand upon his base. He doubles down on his base all the time. He needs to grow it so this opportunity, i think he would blow it if he if he took you up on it after and julian, we know the former president he likes to come across as looking strong saying no to debate is, does that make him look strong . Well no i, mean, he will spin it the way hes spinning it to act as if hes defending himself. Hes under attack, which is his traditional rhetoric, but does make him look for many voters. Im sure scared. I think many people will see it the way the congressman just describe it. And this does undermine some of that image. Although again, for his supporters, his image indoors, and we see those polls dont change much. So its what did the small pockets of undecideds think. And i dont think this benefits, but i dont think theres much he can do. I think he knows enough to know the odds are this it could go very poorly for him and he knows, i think despite the rhetoric, but that last debate was not a good tv performance, which is something he does measure all right, Julian Zelizer, charlie dent, well leave it there. Steve contorno. We know youre still out there. Thanks to you as well. Appreciate it. All right. Well be right back. Tv on the edge premieres tomorrow at nine on cnn our right to reproductive Health Care is being stolen from us. 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This is the rule that they approved they are requiring hand counted ballots, counties must hand count the number of ballots cast at a Polling Place to make sure that it matches the number of ballots that The Machine counted. Its a reconciliation of the numbers. I want to be clear. They are not handcounting the results of which candidates got the most votes. But nonetheless, it is expected to slow things down, fred, as you can imagine, when youre handcounting hundreds of thousands of ballots, it takes time and thats exactly why folks like brad raffensperger, the republican Secretary Of State in georgia, and even the georgia attorney general, who is also a republican again thats why they oppose this move. They said it was just too late to do it. But regardless, the trump loyalists on that board voted three to two. Ive got a clip for you that i will play fred of the chairman of that board. Hes not one of the republican loyalists. Hes an independent. He voted against it and he pleaded with his colleagues to stand down heres what he said the overwhelming number of election officials that have reached out to me have been opposed to this. Several things concern me about this. Number one, i do think is too close to you election i do. We have received guidance from the Secretary Of State and from the attorney generals office. They say its not supported in statute well, he tried his best but they overruled him and they voted three to two. So unless theres some judge that gets in the way and blocks this between now and Election Day. This is what will happen in georgia. So buckle up. For it. Okay, were all buckled up. Okay. Meantime, the fbi now says its investigating suspicious packages that were sent this week to Election Offices in more than 20 states. What have we learned disturbing