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That are keeping smarter, which won by morning. Got it. Got abbas, daughter. Youve got this close captioning is brought to you by skechers hands free slipins snoop though, told me about handsfree sketches slipping harry less money is spent Alia Buttlift demonstrate slip beams. I just step in and there all Try Sketches slipping morning. Youre live in the cnn newsroom. Im Jim Acosta in washington. We begin this hour in the Middle East where a series of deadly attacks targeting hezbollah has the organization vowing revenge. Its leader is calling the attacks, quote, Massacres Lebanese official say please 37 people have been killed and thousands more injured after pagers and walkietalkies exploded across the country. They are blaming israel for the attacks. Israels Defense Minister theres claiming a quote, new era of war is beginning a move that threatens to push the region back to the brink of wider conflict. Joining me now, for more on, this is former Cia Officer Bob baer. Bob good to see as always, we appreciate it. I do want to ask you about this new New York Times reporting that israel hid these explosives inside these devices and added a switch in each one which they later used to detonate them remotely. What do you make of all that well, thatd be the way to do it if you use a potent explosive like pten, which theyre talking about thats been stabilized. You can disguise it. Is any number of parts into a capacitor in do a chip you know, we were taught at the cia how to take high explosives and make it into a loaf of bread. You can, its very easy to do in a cursory inspection im one of these icom radios or a pager you wouldnt see anything youd really have to take it apart and examine each case. And especially since in lebanon, so much of the electronics are are knockoffs, they werent originally made by the company and by the way, i calm radios were being used by his ball back in the 80s. So the israelis would have known how to get into that distribution network, rake those phones and using coded instructions, set them off. They know exactly what theyre doing. But this is old Technology Right . I mean, it sort of reminds me of the old stories of the Exploding Cigars and Fidel Castro and all of that. But i, bob can you tell us, can you give us some insights into how how is it that pagers and walkietalkies are still being used well, the Walkie Walkie talkies are lowpower communications which are very difficult to track. Or two and if youre using coded conversations, theyre fairly secure. And thats what his fall has been doing all these years and they dont put anything sensitive over these radios and there harder to track than Cell Phones. Cell phones are very easy to track any Cell Phone in his ball and knows this learned this the hard way. Even Burner Phones and then on the pagers were probably is what ive seen are one way. So they only received they dont transmit. So theres no way for the israelis to hit them with drones or missiles because theyre not transmitted so this is a make Shift Communications which has proved disastrous obviously for hezbollah and just one more quick question on the sort of nuts and bolts of this. I mean, how did they get them all . Go off in this fashion . Did you do you need an operative in the vicinity of these devices two wears a Pulse Signal sent out of some sort how do you explain that its a coded yeah. Its a coded signal which they can just send out on the same Radio Waves that will set these off simultaneously. Thats not hard either. You know, once thats the thats the security these codes and otherwise they dont go off. But to transmit this from an Airplane Or Helicopter will be very easy. The times is also reporting that Shell Companies played a key role in this operation. Saying quote by all Appearances Bac Consulting was a hungary based company that was under contract to produce the devices on behalf of a tie with taiwanese company gold apollo. In fact, it was part of it is really front according to three intelligence officers briefed on the operation. They said at least two other Shell Companies were created as well to mask the real identities of the people creating the pagers, israeli intelligence officers, and i guess bob that goes to what you were saying a few moments ago. A lot of these devices are sold on maybe not the black market, but theyre sold and where youre not really getting the devices from the original builders are creators of these devices a lot of knockoffs, that kind of thing i comms are Made In Japan and clearly the israelis did not get into that factory and put the explosives in. But what what they do is that somebody is knockoff prices will make these things in Eastern Europe and its just a matter of getting It Distributor in lebanon to sell them to hezbollah because dont forget part of hezbollah, theres a criminal element to it, so introducing this stuff that israelis would have known who to Go To, whos making money its just a very its a failed state lebanon. So its a lot easier to introduce this stuff faza. All right, bob baer, thanks, for answering those questions were raised a lot of those questions about the nuts and bolts of this really appreciate it. Thanks so much and in the meantime, we are learning new details this morning about irans efforts to interfere with the upcoming us election federal officials say iranian hackers stole information from Donald Trumps president ial campaign over the summer. And senate to people associated with the Biden Campaign, the official say there is no indication that bidens team ever replied to any of those attempts at trump Last Night claimed without any evidence that biden was involved in the attack but no ran hacked into my campaign. I dont know what the hell they found. Id like to find out. Couldnt have been too exciting. But they gave it to the Biden Campaign I Cant believe it. Oh, yes, i can Justice Correspondent Evan Perez joins me now. Evan, i mean help us Reality Check this and whats the latest on home my lord, reality, right . So what we know is did the fbi says that some of this information which was stolen from the Trump Campaign reduce were internal documents and the hackers who were working for the iranian government sent them to people associated with what was then the Biden Campaign. That it included excerpts from internal documents, nonpublic documents. Now, it appears that none of nobody who received theres actually replied to the emails, so we dont know whether they even looked at it and were able to see it. Weve heard from the kamala Harris Campaign, of course, which was inherited a lot of the infrastructure from the Biden Campaign they say that what what happened was the emails came into the inboxes, a private personal emails of people who are associated with the former im sorry, the gmail accounts, right . Exactly. Clearly not not not their campaign accounts. And that it looked like a spam or phishing. So these people didnt do anything with it and so that might have been one reason why this really it didnt go very far, but from the iranian standpoint, look what theyre trying to do is undermine faith in our systems and confidence in the elections. And one way to do that is to try to pit people like this. Have Donald Trump out there saying that essentially the other campaign was spying on him, which is one of the terms hes using. And of course, none of that is true but theyve accomplished what they wanted to do, which is to sort of sow some discord ahead of the president ial election. Its all part of the game. Inject this story into the News Cycle Right before the law and there are echoes of 2016 and what the russians were up two, right . Exactly. I mean, thats exactly what the playbook which the russians did. So successfully fully and look, one of the things we know is that this is still an fbi investigation. We know jim that the fbi has a pretty good idea of who was behind the hack i can leak campaign. Keep in mind some of these documents also were shared with News Organizations which have not published those documents. But we anticipate in the coming days, were going to hear from the Justice Department about who they think were beat was behind this Hack And Leak campaign because obviously its something that they want to deal with. Now, before the election, which is by the way a contrast. Youll remember in 26 extend the fbi knew a lot about what the russians were doing, but didnt Say Anything publicly right until after the election, which is now how everyone has learned our lessons. We didnt find out for weeks its months. Crowd of the details. Right. All right. Evan perez, thank you very much. We really appreciate it and joining us now to talk about this democratic Congressman Dean phillips of minnesota. He serves on that house foreign Affairs Committee Congressman the Trump Camp Campaign claims that are ran A Hack that information because they want a Vice President , Kamala Harris to win iran has denied this your response to all of this its true, in fact, moments after this interview, im heading back to the foreign Affairs Hearing Room for a hearing on iran. One of our foremost adversaries since 1979, weve done little to effect that done too much to appease it. And the fact is jim, weve got russia extensively supporting the Trump Campaign. It looks like iran now trying to feed information to the Biden Campaign. Its all a coordinated effort and i think we should reflect on what George Washington warned us about in 17, 96 in his farewell address foreign interference. Thats happening right now. And we better way got to it. I think its appalling that Donald Trump would even infer that the Biden Campaign had something to do with it. That is exactly. Its exactly what the iranians want. Theyre probably sell liberating that stupidity right now and caucus when we all live through the 2016 election when russiA Hacked Hillary Clinton Campaign Manager Email Account i mean, do you think that because we now know those details all too well from that campaign . And that the federal government, that federal investigators, the Intelligence Community is better equipped to handle all of this, this time around as Evan Perez was saying a few moments ago, they sort of already know who might be behind this or understand a lot about this . Well you know jim, The Truth is, no, were not well equipped and technologies are advancing faster than the Human Capacity to accommodate them. And thats what Alvin Toffler argued future shock about 50 years ago. Its challenging. Yes. Do we have the best Security And Intelligence apparatus and the entire world indeed, we do. But nobody, i mean, nobody isnt a position to completely defend against cyberattacks, against hacking. And thats The Truth. And i think we have to wake up to the realities that our adversaries who cannot defeat us with bombs and missile seouls will try to defeat us by turning americans against each other. And i think thats, thats the moral of the story. Jim is if democrats or republicans are going to take the Bait Sir condemning one another. That is the only way they can defeat us. And i think thats the question that we should be considering right now yeah. Quick a quick reaction from you, congressman dont know if i could on these on these Device Explosions in lebanon, how should the biden Administration Respond to that . And you think all, i think its clear that israel had to reassert a deterrence, if you will, after october 7, you were perceived as soft and weak i think its an indication to their enemies that we can find you anywhere. We can attack you any day. And i suspect israel might have more up their sleeves but we also cant let Benjamin Netanyahu deflect from the fact that we need a ceasefire and another truth, jim, is that whether its gary, indiana or gaza, when people live without hope, and they live in Fear And Misery they will act in ways that were seeing play out both in our own country and Around The World. And it is my Hope And Expectation that we recognize that human you condition that the biden administration and hopefully the harris administration, beginning in january, starts investing in peace, a Marshall Plan of sorts for the Middle East to ensure were that freedom arrange Around The World in the spirit of john kennedy, if any of us are not free none of us can be. And that i think is should be the mantra for our policy in the Middle East moving forward, because we are at the precipice of horrifying expansions of the conflict that would include more countries and more death. And i think we have a responsibility his americans, despite investing in Peace And Prosperity and share more of it. I think thats the only way forward and congressman, what about the prospect of a Government Shutdown . Are we going to see a Government Shutdown . It sounds like House Republicans are back at Square One after speaker Johnsons Proposal failed yesterday i didnt sounds as though the former president Donald Trump is sort of telling hes delivering the Talking Points to House Republicans as to what they should do next. What do you think well, ill tell you, jim, i remember the last time i sat down with Donald Trump in the White House was during a shutdown in 2019. I was among a small group that had a proposition to end the shutdown at that point, he Shut Down the government because he wanted more money for his border wall. He likes playing this game. I think its embarrassing. I think its destructive. And frankly, im only in my 30 term in congress, the fact that this is happening once again is a bear very sad reflection on many of us here in congress. I think Speaker Johnson is doing what he has to appease as far right the fact of the matter to everybody watching is we will pass a Cr A Continuing Resolution probably at The End of next week to ensure the government stays open until december and then you will be interviewing people just like me and a few months asking the same question. We can do to do better, we got to solve problems and send people to this place with common sense, integrity, and competency because were failing right now its no way to run a railroad, alright . Yes, congressman phillips, as always, thanks for your time. We appreciate it thank you, jim appreciate it. Alright. Thank you. Still ahead this hour after days of bomb threat, school closings, Grocery Store evacuations officials in springfield, ohio are pleading with Donald Trump to stop spreading falsehoods about haitian immigrants coming up. 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The Citys Mayor just issued a Proclamation Granting of the mayor temporary Emergency Powers as threats its linked to trumps false claims about haitian immigrants continue to disrupt daily life there cnns Omar Jimenez just spent some time in springfield, omar, i mean, this initial rumor just snowballed into basically an Emergency Situation in springfield and i know youve been spending some time on the ground there talking to people how are they doing . Well, and i want to be clear that the tensions that weve seen in springfield, they started well before the president ial debate. But then of course, once it was the quote about eating cats and dogs that put things into an entirely new gear that we weve sort of seen unravel over the course of this. Again, we have not found any Evidence And City officials have told us the same of any haitians eating cats and dogs or anything of that nature. But its gotten to the point where we have seen, at least initially believed Bomb Threats come into schools and that sort of things and while the governor has said that those were essentially Hoax Threats coming from overseas, they have had a very real effect on the ground here with some now questioning whether they want to send their children to school. Some of the haitian community that i spoke to worried that some of the rumors, some of the talks, What Spread On Social Media will translate to real Safety Concerns for them. And then as you mentioned before, you came to the mayor of springfield, ohio, John Us today issued a Proclamation Granting him temporary Emergency Powers as threats linked to some of those unverified claims continue to essentially disrupt daily life for residents. So with all of whats gone on online, it has had some very real effects on daily life and springs and omar, i mean, trump has said that the migrant population there is living there. Theyre living there in springfield illegally we know that thats not the case. Thats not true. J. D. Vance, Last Night was saying that there, quote illegal aliens. We know thats not true, help us sort through the facts. What are the facts here . Well, in the city of springfield has gone so far as to literally create a frequently asked Questions Page on their website, knowing that a lot of the residents are having these same questions. So yes, they are illegal immigrants at this point, many of them coming in through a parole programs, but also being granted Temporary Protected Status as well as, you know, haitians are under through at least 2026, as you see on your screen here, this is an estimation, at least from City Numbers of the amount of total immigrants in clark county, which includes springfield, and the majority of which are believed to be haitian. At this point. And then there are also questions about whether these migrants have had created are helped create a spike in crime. We did see numbers slightly raised between 2021 and 2023, like what we saw across much of the country. But i want you to take a listen to the public Safety Director there who laid out what they believe is the real public Safety Issue that theyre trying to focus on right now. The number one issue we have in the public Safety Space with the haitians, not its not crime, its not violence, its the driving that thats the public Safety Issue. So what we want to do is we want to get Drivers Education to that population and we did hear that from folks on the ground who had concerns about the amount of Traffic Accidents even potential language barriers and working with some Law Enforcement and language barriers with working with those in the schools. So as i mentioned, there are some real tensions and real things to work out as this population has seen, a large influx of hate asianamericans are of haitians over the past few years, jim. Yeah, and omar, im curious as to what you heard from haitian migrants who were there in that community. What they have to say. Well, a big question i think many have is why are there so many haitians in springfield and one recurring thing that we heard from from all of them was not that they were forced to come here. Not that they needed to come here, but that they heard springfield wasnt good place to live. That Cost Of Living was lowered, that there were job opportunities, things of that nature at one man, we spoke to, he came because he left haiti, but then his brother already lived in springfield, so it made sense and for him, once he was in the united states and was granted Temporary Protected Status to Go To where his brother was. Theres Filburn Dorsonville on your screen there, who i spoke to. Take a listen to some of what he told me while i was there we are making society better for example, i work in a hospital, i can take an example on myself because i work in a hospital, i have a lot of patients. I have i l il them to get better okay. I work in the rehab facility. So you know, working with them. Helping them with exercises to get back on their feet. So we help in. This is eddie, we are contributing in and hes very proud of that. And i should mention too that he told me he was a Doctor Back in haiti but had to give up his certification because it didnt carry over. And the united states. So he is studying to be a Registered Nurse and then hopes to get that degree and then potentially apply for a Green Card to get some of the family he left behind back here to the united states. So a lot of real well factors, jim mixed with a lot of rumors and social media, and thats created what weve been seeing in springfield. Yeah. But the stories that youre Hearing Omar from people on the ground like that gentleman just there. People are coming here and theyre willing to come and work hard and tried to make a new life for themselves. I mean, it is really The American Dream and why so many immigrants come to this country Omar Jimenez, thank you so much, really appreciate that great reporting as always coming up Oprah Winfrey is hitting the Campaign Trail for Vice President Kamala Harris joining her tonight in a critical Battleground State where polls show an incredibly tight race thats coming up up. Saturday, syscall seeing in the taking a break from Breaking News too. There Have I Got News For You . Breaking news. Im getting a sandwich. We need to talk about what constitutes Breaking News. Provide got news for you saturday at nine on Cnn And Streaming next day on max The Vision to see whats possible and the grid to make it happened. Morgan stanley can help create the future going to give you this designer bag. 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So thanks to all of you for being here but in a wins because shes here in the studio with me as well. Ill start with you first. How how big is this oprah event for Kamala Harris tonight . You know, i think its really big because theres frankly few people who have the positive popularity, the positive Name Id and perception of that there is of Oprah Winfrey, she is a very wellliked woman who has incredible influence in this country. Any book she picks for her Book Club becomes an instant best seller. Any item she picks for oprahs favorite things becomes an instant best seller. Your car, you Go To exactly so but all so look, theres a lot of people that say that they want to know more about Kamala Harris and nobody gets to the core of a person in an interview better than Oprah Winfrey. Shes got this particular interview style, which is, which reveals people in which makes me a cease. Lets look into their and who they are. And so i think for those people who say, we dont know enough about Kamala Harris have after two hours of Oprah Winfrey, you dont you still dont know not listening. We Cant Help you and jamal, i want to ask you in shermichael, you as well. I mean, we were just talking to Omar Jimenez before the break about the situation in springfield, ohio and youre Hearing Trump and j. D. Vance continue to describe the people there as being the haitian immigrants being in springfield, ohio illegally those are lies but jamal hi, should the Harris Campaign engaged more on this . What, how should they respond . What do you think . The Harris Campaign is making a fundamental point about Donald Trump from the beginning, which is that hes kind of, hes the Chaos Candidate that he, somebody you cant really trust the have the mantle of leadership in the country, Vice President and made this clear the other day when she was at the National Association Of Black Journalists that this is not somebody we should trust with leadership. And heres the reason why we saw in 2020 when we had the pandemic that we were in the middle of a crisis. The president is someones at the time, turn the crisis into a tragedy because he refused to do public announcements for several months. He refused to tell the american people how bad things were going for a long time. He refused to listen to the scientists and the experts about how to help solve the crisis. So it went from being a crisis to a tragedy. More people died. There should have at the same time, we see, right now, we elect the president , not just to do the things we know about, but to keep the peace, to keep order, to handle a problem i dont want to rises. Now what we have as a candidate for president , who knows that his words are causing people harm. He knows that schools are being Shut Down, that people are being assaulted, that Community Meetings can be held. And instead, whats happening is hes still talking about it that is the fundamental problem. You cant put somebody in office who foam is disorder, whos supposed to be maintaining order yes. I mean, shermichael, i mean, the mayor of springfield just issuing a proclamation in the last several hours granting himself temporary Emergency Powers because because of these continued threats real jim immigration as we talked in the last segment, it as a top issue and i do think theres a way in which political leaders, namely the former president , should approach this issue all data suggests that he still has a slight lead on it all, though, Vice President harris is performing a whole lot better than President Biden voters appear to be giving her a bit of a pass on the issue for whatever the reason may be in knowing that and looking at the data that this is such hey a very tight and close race. The former president is going to need to win over some of those persuadable voters. A very small percent of them that remain in this contest. And im not necessarily convinced that the rhetoric or the language or the Critique Overall is enough to move them the critique i get, because voters are saying that theyre concerned. But then i think the next question to their critique or the followup to the critique, should be what are the possible solutions i think thats what some of the voters are looking for when again, i think there is a way to articulate what a republican would, a conservative solution would be ill Follow Nick Critique of this problem go ahead. Yeah. We talk about it a little bit about this Temporary Protected Status and what it is. It was created into law in 1990 and signed into law by George Herbert Walker bush. There have been temporary protective status under republican precedence and under democratic precedents, listen under reagan, before haitians for nicaragua, for venezuelans, for sudanese, they are used for humanitarian purposes when there are people fleeing natural disasters, wars, things like that im an nicaraguanamerican when i was here in the 80s, there was something called the Knicks Garawand Review program that was done by Ronald Reagan in the Republican Congress to help nicaraguans fleeing communism and fleeing the sandinistas. So its been done under republicans and on democrats and for j. D. Vance to say that it is illegal, is just absolutely false. What they are doing is solely responsible and so shameful and ive got to think that its going to backfire on them because look, so far, there has been something oh upwards of 30 Bomb Threats. And yes, people say, oh, but theyre all hoaxes and theyre coming from no matter regardless of whether their homes so regardless of whether theyre coming from, they will not happening before Donald Trump and j. D. Vance elevated this Conspiracy Theory by talking about in the debate and by talking about it in the rallies. And regardless of whether they they are hoaxes or not, you have got to investigate and take them seriously. Just ten days ago, the mother of the shooter called the Georgia School 30 minutes before the shooting happened. You have got to take these threats seriously because thats the america we live in right now. Yeah. I will say jim, i mean, one of the things that surprised me this morning and i dont mean to throw a curveball at the control room, but that means some of these polls that are, that are come out just this morning showing a very tight race. The New York Times poll thats out this morning shows that theyre tied nationally 47 , 47 . Thats despite the outcry after trump said that haitian migrants are eating cats and dogs falsely saying that at the debate last week and having a pretty catastrophic performance, if you look at most of the polls why is this race so tight and is the Vice President missing a moment to capitalize on the momentum coming out of the convention coming out of the debate, your thoughts i dont think so at all. If you Take A Look at the polls really over the last few years, Donald Trump with a 47 candidate, sometimes is that 46 . Sometimes if 48, but hes basically a 47 candidate and the people who support him dont really move whats happened, what we see, not just in the New York Times poll, but look at the q poll, look at the emerson poll. There are several polls that are out there that showed the Vice President actually taking the lead in more of those polls, 50 to 46 in one poll, and including in the battleground, we start to see your take the lead in states like michigan, and maybe its still a little bit tight and pennsylvania, but again, and wisconsin. So i think weve got to see weve got to Take A Look at all of this together all right. Real quick. Just really quick. I take jamals point, but i would caution that a lot of this is within the margin of error, three to 3. 2 . We know historically speaking, looking at 20 16, looking at 2020, Donald Trump typically underperformed. And so when you quantify that and factor that in a mathematically, then you are getting that 47 mean in this race could go either way all, alright, i just say this real quickly really quickly. This is going to be, lets, lets look at the trajectory of these calls and particularly the iowa poll, which showed that might be down to 4 . Thats down to 4 . Iowa. That means something happening across the country, which should pay attention to yeah, and its not a national poll on election day. Its, its a statebystate electoral college. Fight to the finish and obviously, were seeing a lot of trending in Kamala Harris has direction, but its extremely tight well keep tracking it. Antigen marshall, michael thanks, a lot for joining us this morning. We appreciate it coming up. Alright, Take A Look at this video right now, the ukrainian Security Service says one of their drones destroyed an Ammunition Depot and russia both common i harris, and Donald Trump are vowing there. The candidate to help end this war will talk to an expert who is better suited to talk about that in just a few moments. So well get some facts on all of that reality that coming up everything you what is right the disney. 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You had a chance to meet with zelenskyy. How closely is he watching this election . I mean, he has to know that there is so much riding on this election for him he didnt talk about that. Yeah. Did talk about his Victory Plan and his he was looking forward to presenting it to President Biden next week in new york. He also said he wants to presented to both campaigns and to congress, made a big point of, of congresss role hint, hint. Congress funds. Whatever is coming next assuming Congress Hasnt closed down next week, right . If they cant pass a continuing resolution. But anyway, he im not surprised that hes meeting with her, but i havent heard the meeting was confirmed. Well and if this meeting comes to pass, we think it will, according to our sources i mean, what how do you think that meeting should shake out and whats in it for the Vice President. And this is an important meeting for her, but its a big deal. Yeah. She made clear in the debate with trump that she supports continuing aid for Ukraine And Ukraine has to win. I strongly agree with her and i think thats a defining issue in this campaign. As zelenskyy was saying there that he had a private Phone Call with trump where trump said that he supports ukraine, but i i i and that was also fareed. Zakaria interviewed him and it was on fareeds show last sunday but i you know, why why should we by that, given the rhetoric of him and j. D. Vance . Well, and thats what i was going to ask you because as you know, trump is he will probably have a meeting with Zelenskyy Next week. Well see if that comes to pass. But in the debate last week, he would not say whether he wants ukraine to win the war end. He actually called into the conference. I was there in kyiv. Boris johnson, the former british prime minister, arrange that trump was sitting in his plane and didnt say in that call that he supported country tingling aid. So the audience was kind of surprised by why he would even call in congresswoman. I mean, if you i mean, it might sound simplistic to ask you this what are the consequences if trump gets into office and essentially says russia, take what you want. Well, that was his rhetoric about nato countries paying theyre share of aid raising the percentages, which i dont think its a bad idea. I actually think that robust support for nato by all countries in nato is its a good idea, but nonetheless, putin winning meaning, taking over ukraine or even taking over the parts of the donbass that he snapped now, partly occupying plus crimea. I think is a defeat for freedom. I mean, lets understand, hes not going to adhere to any agreement he makes there already was in 1994 agreement where ukraine gave up its nukes in exchange for a russian respect for sovereignty, not and then we saw what came after that. I was there in 2014 observing the fair and free election on a Delegation Led by madeline albright, the late great and i believe in ukraine sovereignty. And i think that if that part of ukraines winning, its going to be a path to Nato Membership because i think thats the way to keep putin back in in, in the confines. Of russia. And i did want to ask you a quick question about the Middle East and what is going on in lebanon right now with these Exploding Pagers and walkietalkies whats your take on all of that . Do do you think theres a strategy going on . There . What do you think . I think well, saturday showing if if if mossad did this, how capable but on the other hand, i dont see the strategy. I see the tactic, but not the strategy. And the Middle East is unnerved and i dont think a lebanese, a serious lebanese Hezbollah Slash Slash iranian attack on israel makes any sense. And i was very disappointed today to see that mbs in Saudi Arabia now says that there will be no progress on a Saudi Israel Trade deal, which is something the biden administration has been working on unless there is a palestinian state, not a path to a palestinian in state, but that just raised move the thing back to the 50 Yard Line from maybe the ten Yard Line. And thats i think thats a shame for the region. And we were also getting some reporting that prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu may not meet with President Biden next week at anga. That sounds like a very serious missed opportunity at a critical moment well, i dont know if thats true or when side doesnt want to meet but i think itll get worked out. Maybe they will meet and maybe it will get worked out. I would like israel to get worked out. 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