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Something that happens to all of us source with kaitlan collins starts. Now see tomorrow saving the source tonight, vice president harris wheels down in philadelphia as donald trump is wrapping up his probe from maralago ahead of their first didn't perhaps only debate plus a source exclusive for you tonight, a mastermind behind project 2025 is here here for his first tv interview since resigning. Donald trump is trying to disavow the roadmap for his second term as democrats use it against him and miami dolphins star tyreek hill is here to join me tonight after police just released body cam footage of the traffic accident incident where he was dragged out of his car and placed in handcuffs just hours before the dolphins season opener. Actions that his legal team calls excessive. I'm kaitlan collins and this is the source as they say, the stage is set and this is what you'll see tomorrow night when donald trump and kamala harris come face to face for the first time ever. I should note at these two podiums and philadelphia, vice president harris will be at the electron on the right side of your screen. Donald trump on the left and it will all take place in just 24 hours from right now, harris has arrived tonight in philadelphia after spending several days prepping across the state and pittsburgh, trump, we are toll remains at his maralago club and hill arrived there tomorrow after a weekend out on the campaign trail where he was pushing election conspiracies and threatening to jail hill election officials. Harris for her part, has had this prediction about how she thinks tomorrow will go in a new interview out today he plays through this really old and tired playbook, right? where he was no floor for him in terms of how long he would go and and we should be prepared for that he tends to fight for himself, not for the american people. And i think that's going to come out during the debate, but i think he's going to lie. And he has a playbook that he is used in the past be his attacks on president obama hillary clinton. So we should expect some of that might come out our sources tell us that given what she's expecting, might come out tomorrow, harris is bracing for a barrage of attacks. Not only has she been studying trump's past policy positions, but also his past insults about her meanwhile, the trump campaign is telling us that he'll make the case that harris quote, owns everything when it comes to the policies of the biden administration officials say that trump will be himself something that even his own allies are privately wondering whether it will help or hurt him kilgo in game time, ready justice he does for every interview every rally that he does, this is not something that is a heavy lift for him. Well, i think that when he stays on the issues, policies, i absolutely those are those are the winning issues, but i think just stay focused on the issue. And, you know, don't make don't make things personal the through line is clear. They would like for trump to stay focused on the issues the trump team is also teasing to expect some surprises tomorrow night, i should note that what we are going to watch tomorrow night, all of us it could be the first and only debate that we see between harris and trump. I want to get straight to my panel of political experts tonight to start us off. And david axelrod you don't know what this feeling is like. This is incredibly having ptsd i mean, the pressure after looking at the polls that came out yesterday from the new york times and siena college showing this race could not be tighter voters still have questions about at least one of these candidates what are the 24 hours before a debate like? they're, they're incredibly anxious. But the thing is that if you've prepared well, then you should have some confidence that, you know the questions that are going to be asked and you also know how you're going to answer them and how trump is likely going to answer them. And you prepare for something that you can't predict because trump is an asymmetrical well, fighters, so he can say or do anything. I think the goal for her is to stay focused on her mission, which is to deliver her message to the american people. But one thing i want to point out, normally like when we had a bad debate in 2012, famously with president obama, the first debate we had to for debates after that we had a vice presidential debate in between so the stakes of that debate were not nearly as great this is probably the last debate. It's the last big event between now and the election where they will have an audience like this to try brian influence voters. Yeah, i've heard from sources on both sides that they think there will be another debate. I think it depends on how tomorrow goes, but can you overprepped for a debate? i mean, trump always evokes the mitt romney debate saying that he was too prepared for actually mitt romney did pretty damn well in that first debate. I wish he had prepared a little less for that but so i mean you know, trump is trump. Okay. And people will say, gee, i hope you'll stick to the issues and so on. This is his seventh presidential debate, but not a whole lot of evidence. No one's ever had more, by the way, which isn't advantage for him. But he's not going to change. He's almost 80 years old. He's not going to change. He's going to be more like he's ever been and especially if she is composed and confident, i think it's gonna be hard for him if he she doesn't engage on the terms that he likes to set for these debates. Yeah. And he's such a known quantity to everyone who, but we'll be watching all the millions she is not as known. I mean we know her well, you worked with her. I covered her, but for those who don't know her, who are going to be tuning it. One, i just think the image of the contrast, the two of them will be striking for people watching. But what does she need to do on that stage tomorrow night? do you think i really hope she is herself. I agree with david. She has prepared she knows where she wants to stand on issues and for those who do not know her yet, allow her to introduce herself and reintroduce herself to voters and do a couple of things. One, i'm the adult in the room and i can do this job. Two things are not great, but they can get better under my leadership and three, look at this guy. Do you want to do that again? no. That's all she needs to do. And i think there's a whole bunch of pontification going on about this. I think if she can land those three things and then be do it in her own way. Don't do it in a robotic way that people think like this is how a woman candidate has to present herself when she's out there on the campaign trail. People love her. She's, she's personable, she's a gauging human being. Don't talk to him respectfully, don't talk to the moderator, talk to the american people. For the record, i like hearing a trump standin. I'm sorry, harry. I like to think i have better here than he does know. That wasn't personally. I'll give him really i mean, you looked at these numbers two after the harris campaign is saying a lot of don't ignore the polls, don't focus on that, focus on what we want to get done. Yeah, sure. Okay. Whatever you everyone's looking at the polls every five seconds, even if they say they're not i mean, look, if you look at the polling data, what we know is that kamala harris came out when she became the presumptive democratic nominee. And skyrocketed up right. Took that mantle, took that momentum, and ever since then, she's kind of flatlined a little bit, maybe dropped a little bit in some of those key battleground states like pennsylvania tonight, tomorrow night is a chance to sort of turn the tide, say, wait a minute, i'm going to take hold of this campaign. We know from those new york times, sienna college polls, what does it 28% of voters say they want to hear, they need to hear more about kamala harris. If you look at those who are undecided, that number is actually nearly double that. It's near 50% of undecided voters who say that. So the bottom line is tomorrow night's a real opportunity because donald trump has consistently been disliked by more voters than he has been light and she has to say, you know what, i'm going to take this if you don't like donald trump, vote for me, i can be an adequate standard and then the real question is going to be is can she actually deliver those lines in a way that matches up with how popular she is now versus let's say those second, third, fourth, fifth, six. However, number of debates there were back in the 2020 democratic primary season or her debate performance has kind of fell off. She has to be the person who show up now. First debate against joe biden, who delivered that great line and not be the person who shop in those latter debates. That police seem to look come to last time he was running for president. And i think one thing that he has been scarred by was how that first debate with biden went. He himself has recognized that he was too aggressive i want you to just listen how the two candidates are setting the expectations for tomorrow night you know, if i destroy her in the debate, they'll say trump suffered a, you milley aiding defeat today no matter what. One thing you want to really get get across a little. There's a lot, but look, it's time to turn the page on the divisiveness it's time to bring our country together. Chart a new way forward what's happening inside the trump campaign, if you had to guess tonight, what is the scene at maralago look like this evening? they're probably just going through the last set of questions like it's probably much more casual, it's not a very formal setup, especially now at the way they did it in 16, which was very formal debate prep 20, it was a little less formal. They felt that being president every day and doing the press conferences and everything, i use juae at the time that was good practice here. He's brought in tulsi gabbard, but honestly he's probably not doing a ton necessarily in the traditional debate prep. Also, it's the night before, right? you don't necessarily want to overt do it the night before the big game and get too much into your head. So if you're him right now, you just got to hang out and make sure that when it comes to tomorrow, because if you're kamala harris, part of this is, you know, you can knock trump off as mark, but what is it and how are you going to do it and he just needs to know that she's going to be trying to do that tomorrow and just stay on your mark. That muted mic will be the most helpful thing for him tomorrow night to stay on his mark. Well, as the muted mics thing, the harris campaign is very upset what they had thought it basically tooth and nail trying to because they believed it would be more effective for her to be able to cut in and interject when trump is speaking, is it harder for her if she can't do that tomorrow night? well, i think one thing that will be hard as if he's speaking, but as mic is muted and she's hearing it, but the audiences and hearing it that's a distraction. And i think that's more difficult, but i think it's interesting that his campaign was so emphatic that the mic remain muted because i think it does reflect a realization hisham, that he can go overboard. So he's got seat belts for tomorrow night. I would just add until the debate between joe biden and donald trump this year, donald trump had basically lost every single general election debate. So they want to stick to the format that they had against joe biden because it's the only time he's actually won a gosh darn debate. Yeah. But the question is, was it? because of the muted mics or the muted opponent? yeah, we will find out. That's a great, great point. You know, we saw this contrast last time would trump and biden, obviously on biden's age, it is what ultimately drove him from this race tomorrow night by a lot, donald trump will be the oldest candidate on that stage. Yeah. You know, if we can go back. I don't know month ago amid the american public was say, it's like feels like a lifetime at this point the american public was saying they didn't want to rematch of joe biden and donald trump will guess what? they don't have it anymore. And so they get to choose if they do want to turn the page to the next generation, one party made that choice. One party didn't. And so i think that that contrast i'm out on the debate is, is there a risk of trump's rambling like he did with his child answer the other day, which he invited could not neither could answer at the first debate, he still has now developed an answer to it clearly, is there a possibility that donald trump's going to ramble in an answer yes. Will it be on childcare specifically that i don't know. And who knows if he'll even get the question about it? honestly debates don't pick winners of campaigns, but think definitely can decide the losers of campaigns it is not when you win a debate, its show only because your opponent did so poorly and you were able to capitalize on those moments. Remember the terry mcauliffe, glenn youngkin race, right? that debate. Terry mcauliffe said during it, he talked about parents and not being and that the state should have more access to their children's education, that he should that's a paraphrase, but it was more about state being able to control things. The youngkin team immediately clip that and put that out. And this was at the time when especially in northern virginia, when you're looking at like fairfax county in loudon county, we're parents, we're getting super upset about school boards and the way their children being treated, coming out of covid, it didn't pick the winner of the debate, but it certainly made the moment from a callup to have the huge mess them. That. Is what kamala wants to avoid. Yeah, we'll see if there's any of those moments when i thank you all will all be watching it together tomorrow night. And one subject that is likely to come up is project 2025. Up next, i have an exclusive first tv interview with the former director of project doug 2025, who resigned after backlash from the trump campaign, plus miami dolphins wide receiver star tyreek hill is here to join me live after he was detained by police yesterday and now we are seeing the body cam video for the first time. Enlisted his attorneys say was excessive behavior by the police straight days i can change it change and wife not changed sexual orientation. I'm not changing the political party. We're going to go to the house with what we got here okay. 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Com if you or a loved one have mesothelial, will send you a free book to answer questions you may have call now and we'll come to you, 808 to 14000 vice president harris and democrats have continued to attack donald trump over his connections to project 2025, the conservative blueprint for a potential second trump term. And it's a message that seems to be resonating with voters. New numbers from the new york times and siena college poll showed that three quarters of likely voters say they've not only heard about it, but for most of those who know about it they oppose it. 63% of that number opposed to project 2025 those numbers might explain trump's multiple attempts to distance himself from project 2025 overall we have nothing to do with project 25. I don't even know what hell it is. I don't know anything about it listen to what the former trump staffer turned project 2025. Director himself has said about it we're going to make this happen under president trump. It's going to be a dday invasion plan on forever trumper now, for his first television interview since he stepped down as the director of project 2025 in july, i'm joined by paul dans. It's great to have you here. I mean, as you know, given what we've seen from the conventions, it's almost inevitable that this will be brought up on the debate stage tomorrow night. Are you worried that your work could be a liability for trump when he's onstage up there tomorrow? no not at all. And thank you for having me kaitlan president trump's the greatest debater, bar none of our time. And the breaking news is trump has nothing to do with project 2025. Sure. A lot of us have worked in the admin. It came together, but this started long before he even announced for president. It was really a coming together of the conservative movement and i think that's what's been so threatening to the left you know, our sides always been prone to infighting. And what we were able to do here was bring together 110 groups and really lay out a common plan, not everyone agrees and what's in that book, but the books only actually part of the plan. And what we did was really invite people from all over the country to get back into their government. Well, i think that's why, you know, i was reading through it again, if recent days when people say trump has nothing to do with it, i mean, you worked as the deputy chief of staff at the office of personnel management? a pretty significant office six of his former cabinet secretaries helped collaborator right on it. I mean, you look at it and it's full of names that people would recognize. Chris miller, peter navarro, johnny mcentee and so some people say, well, 140 of his staffers worked on it. How can you say that he has nothing to do with it? well he personally didn't have anything to do with it is certainly a lot of folks worked on it, came out of the trump administration, but that's natural for any republican administration. You're going to have the carryover for the next one. In this case is conservative. But not those ideas were open to joe biden and, and to implement if you he wants to and they actually are in fairly think it is very conservative. Does it bother you when trump calls it a bismol and ridiculous, something that you worked on for two years? well, i mean, i don't know what he's referring to in particular with that. Certainly the worst in remarks by people inherited that i would fully renounced he kind of talking about the second american revolution or are bloodless this, we have to lower the temperature in this country but as far as the ideas within project 2025, i think they're pretty solid. The reality is that most of what people think is in project 2025 is in fact not in it. It's mainly misinformation. There's a few things that democrats have said that's not true, like on social security, but a lot of it revoking access to mifepristone, which is the abortion medication. The fda approved 24 years ago. I mean, that is part of it when it comes to that, you want to get rid of the inflation reduction act, which helped lower cost of prescription drugs, those are all part of it when you say trump has nothing to do with it, if he's reelected, do you think that parts of project 2025 would ultimately come to fruition in a trump second term well, i hope so, you know, to be fair, 400 people worked on that book and not everyone who wrote for the book agrees with everything in the book is a coming together of of our movement that only a plotting a points to basically direct the next conservative president. This is a way what the conservative would like to see certainly, i think even under a harris administration, you see a number of ideas they're common sense. These are the things americans want. And in fact, there are some polling that when people actually look at the issues discussed restoring the family, really helping us provide for kids and shoring up our borders there's great public send in favor of it. How many times have you been tomorrow lago several. Sure. And you meet with trump campaign people or who do you talk to when you're there? well, i've met well, they're not at maralargo per say, but i've met with susie and from time to time we have a little bit of interchange, but it's very limited with respect to project 2025. Sure. Have you met with trump himself i've only met him shaking hands with them. And when was that? recently. Well, i spoke at the national religious broadcasters convention, tennessee, so i met him in the snap it's line. And i've met him a couple of years prior, but no, i really haven't met precedence. So when you say trump has nothing to do with it, you're saying he wasn't personally he didn't write it, didn't collaborate on it, but i looked at some passings, you said and you said that this is ultimately his direction and his team's direction. I think people might doubt that he has nothing to do with a given comments like that, that you've met him, that you've been to maralago well he hasn't been personally briefed by myself or i didn't know what the nature of his campaign briefings on have been, but certainly, we're picking up where he left off in the first term. A lot of us have worked there and we're frustrated. I mean, what project 2025 really is, it's not a threat to democracy, is a threat to bureaucracy. It's putting the american, we, the people back into our government right now. We have a permanent government in washington, and this is the essence of a call to people that come serve in washington. It's kennedy yes. It's really and that's what's so exciting to see like rfk jr. And the rest joined the heritage, joining the trump fold is that this is a coming together for our country or the people joining the trump campaign, rfk jr. Corey lewandowski's returned. Are they more open to project 2025 and its ideas? yeah, i think that the ideas and project 2025, we talked about making america healthy. Again, we are definitely going after you know, hhs and we can't we can't forget what happened. Here three years ago with covid and the jabs. Well, let me explain why i asked that because you yep. Down it seemed kind of abrupt given this was a blueprint for a second term, you left it in july and when you did susie, who you just mentioned that susie wiles and chris lacivita, they're running the trump campaign they put out a statement after your departure that said trump's campaign has been very clear for over a year that project 2025 had nothing to do with the campaign and did not speak for the campaign and should not be associated with the campaign or in any way reports of project 2025 is demise would be greatly welcomed and should serve as notice to anyone or any group trying to misrepresent their influence with president trump and his campaign. It will not end well for you what was your response to that? very forceful denunciation of your work? well i'm apologies. Mark twain, i'd say know, the reports of my myosin been greatly exaggerated the reality is that look, we haven't had the interchange with the campaign a lot of this was done way before prison trump even announced for office a lot of the heritage folks worked with the desantis campaign. So you might you might actually say it's more of a desantis project. Name is in the document 300 times. Well, he's desantis is not yeah, he's the former president. But like when it came time to debut the book at the heritage 50th anniversary president trump wasn't invited by heritage management the instead gave the seat of honor to governor desantis so i think it's very ironic that it's now getting mapped to him. It's fake news. But to be fair it's natural that a lot of these ideas, because there were, there were great things that he was on the verge of trump's campaign managers are doing a good job i'm, i'm excited about to change with corey coming in with the rfk jr. Addition. That's really exciting, dr. Carson is a godsend and i really think that this is an opportunity for our country to really heal, come together the presence extreme extraordinary year gentlemen, on almost died. But for the grace of god. And i think it's, you know, we sit here in new york on the eve of september 11th here, you know, i was here for 20 years and i still remember after that how people came together and i think we have that moment now fortunately, the last trump administration, would you work in a second trump term? well, obviously be honored to be asked by the president, but it's so important that we get that second term. And i think that that's really what we need to be concentrating on now, i think the president has had, we had great peace and prosperity for years of trump, you know what trump's going on? offer. It's not what's in the book of project 2025. It's what he's telling you what he did. He brought his piece he brought us rising an economy, rising wages, and we know that for certain with kamala harris kamalaharris rather you know, she's an unknown, but we know she's the most radical. She makes biden looked like a moderate. I think she would obviously push back on that paul dans. Thank you for joining us for your first 20 interview. Thank you. Up next miami dolphins wide receiver tyreek hill was detained by police after a traffic stop, and we now have the bodycam footage that moment as police pulled him out of his car and pushed him to the ground, we're going to speak to tyre hill right after a quick break at simply safe, we build advanced security sensors and cameras for your whole home, powered by 24/7 professional monitoring and fast protect technology exclusively from simply safe for faster police response there's no safe like simply safe. 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I just when you watched it back for the first time, tell me what was what was going through your mind in those moments for, real, you know, i was i was like, i was shocked like it it's crazy because it all happened so fast, man, but like for me, man, like it just all happened so fast and i really couldn't like gather everything that was happening so it was crazy, you know, and me being a father, me being a husband and all that. And i was just put myself in that situation like i got to be smart you know, saying that that's where i really i wasn't on that kind of energy like i was chilling, like i was following rules. You don't i wasn't moving fast because, you know, i got injuries. You feel me, i got things that i go through. I play a physical sport. I've been doing this for a moment, not man. So i'm dealing with himself so i guess the officers, they felt like i wasn't doing it on a timer, but i was doing it. But i'm i'm i'm i'm still shellshocked from a man and i'm embarrassed well when you watch it and we can, you just can you tell us what happened with the moment with you didn't see it there in the video, but you're in the car. They're yelling at youtube to roll your window down. What was happening there? you know what when officer came up and knocked on my window on my leg, my window down, cooperated, gave them my i. D and then i immediately let up my window and then after that, i lead i let back up my window and then he came back to the window was like let your window down now, let you so down now, and then let it down that's when he said, if you don't let your wander down, i'm i'm going to snap you out of the car. I was like sarah, my window is down, like what do you want? i'm not trying to cause a scene because as i let my window down, like people walking by, driving by, they on notice is that it's me and they can start taking pictures and i like i like i didn't want to create a scene at all. Like i just really wanted to get the ticket and then just go going about my way and then just, you know, just have a great sunday. You don't think has really i really couldn't just kept going through the stadium, but i really just pull it to the side, just chilling because i was that close to the statement by i was that close to i would entrylevel on i was that close to the players entrylevel. And then from that moment, the guy came from the back who was like hey, get hey i'm about to him out the car wherever i'm saying it, then it just all unfolded from there because i was going to get out of my car. I don't think they told me to get out because i was getting up my car, but the way that my car it's like a built inside of mclaren said, yes well, it happened so quickly. I mean, it's like right after they direct you to open the door, it's like seconds later when you open it and then pulled from the car and i saw, that you said if you weren't tyreek hill, that you heard this could have ended a lot differently. What what do you think could have happened yeah, like so the crazy part about it is i hate talking like this man, but because i have a tie or fan base, but the reality of it is it's the truth if i wasn't entirely kill worstcase scenario, we would have had a different article, you know? tyre kill i shot in front of hard rock stadium or the worst case scenario or tyre, he'll put in handcuffs and taken and book, you know what it's crazy that i, you know, me and my family had to go through this you know. So yeah julius we heard from the president of the south florida police benevolent association, basically the union that represents them and they said, and i'm quoting him they they claim that your client was not immediately cooperative with the officers on the scene who pursue it to policy and for their immediate safety placed him in handcuffs they said he was uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground and was redirected to the ground. And then once it was sorted out within a few minutes, he was issued two traffic citations and was free to leave. I mean, when you look at the video, is that how you would describe what happened? absolutely not from what we know and they sent us a zip file was just about five or six body cam videos the officer who we believe is now possibly on leave. That's opposite. He saw and tyreek out of the vehicle, right? that was the most aggressive person the person entire we spoke with who originally came to the car. He wasn't aggressive by any means. It was the other guy they came and they got super aggressive with tyreek about the window. I think he even say, we'll break this freaking glass if we need to, and then you just snacks as him out of the car, i want to say it looked like he opened up the door for tyre and another portion he is tyre, actually put on a seat belt is another body cam showing tyre put it on the seat belt. So along with that, he's calling miami dolphins security to let them know what's going on. So that's the delay that immediate portion that they're talking about. He's taken off his seat belt and he's getting drew brooks on the phone from the miami dolphins and then you see him getting snatched out of a car, like you said, he's driving a mclaren is a dip in it and he just had some repairs done on his knee. He can't jump out immediately if he saw also, he put up his hands to show that he didn't have a firearm. He wasn't a threat, and nato was compliant with officers as far as the statement goes though, from the police union, i think the video contradicts everything that they're saying. Even down to the notion that he refused to sit down, he actually told the guy, hold on. I'm going to sit. I just had surgery and that's when that same officer who snatched him out of the car, they doing down to the ground at places, knee back then grabbed him like a some kind of chokehold and drags them down to the ground. And the video even goes for the way you're seeing him put his hand on tyrese throat so that's what the police union didn't stay in their statements the video contradicts and i should note that they said that they released a video to keep the public form. The one of the officers involved was placed on administrative duty as all this is being investigated, tyre, just before you go, you just tweeted a moment ago. You said, let's make a change. What did you mean by that? right? so i'm a good country bar from south georgia man, like i'm not i'm not a big believer and divide and people, you know, i don't believe in all that meant. I believe in bringing people together because that's my purpose in life. I do football council all across the world, met trying to bring different people together, different kid it's different parents because we in this together baby, we on this earth together, we got to live together so when i say, let's make a change, let's do it together. So miami pd really all offices across the world. And because one officer doesn't understand, like make the whole group look back like every everybody has bad apples. You don't say every team has bad apples it's my job to use my platform and my resources so that way i'm able to align with these different stations. So that's what i mean when i say, let's make a change like because we don't try at all. You know, i'm saying like we don't protests. We even took a knee. You know, we don't walk like so what's next? so right now, me and my wife we right now brainstorming all how can we be a part of this change and also, it's important to us because we want to be able to change lives all all the way across the world, not just miami. You know, it was important to us. Well, keep us updated on what you all brainstorm. We'd love to talk about that board tyreek hill, julia there's collins. Thank you so much for both. Just hopping on on this breaking news and to talk about it, we really do appreciate it tonight chante. Thank you my next guest tonight is front and center on a new ad that you're seeing from the harris campaign. 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The only thing he cares about is donald trump of course, that last face you see there is trump's former national security adviser, ambassador john bolton, who joins me now, i imagine you never thought that you would be in a democratic campaign ad in a way that was against the republican and in favor of the democratic nominee. What did you make it the ad? well, i was i was happy to be in very good company in the ad. I don't consider trump much of a republican. I think he is a trumpist. He believes and donald trump and he's not a conservative so that's why i'm in the uncomfortable position of not wanting to vote for either candidate certainly because there's no conservative on the ballot this november, you've served in a lot of administration. So what does it say that a campaign is using the vice president, the former defense secretary, the former national security adviser, and their words against him candidate. And there are many others they could have put in that ad. It could have been a much longer ad. And i think it shows who is that people who really tried to have the country's best interest, you can agree or disagree with. And that's not the issue, but people like mike pence, who put the country first are people that run up against trump and come away bruised from it. And that says that is convincing evidence why trump is not fit to be president. Nikki haley it's another person who served under trump then challenged him for the nomination. She was the last one to drop out, even after she dropped out, she was still getting a sizable portion of votes in places like pennsylvania. She was asked to their day about whether she's been asked to help trump campaign. This is what she said i'm on standby. I'm happy to be helpful. I don't want to say kamala harris when he's the candidate, he can decide whether he needs my view. It absolutely what do you read into why trump hasn't asked nikki haley to campaign for him? well, he doesn't think very much over. I mean, that's clear i know that from comments he made during the administration, i would say though on her part, if she really wanted to help, she could be knocking on his door and you think she should do more? i mean, she's put ourselves out there. She was at the convention, she spoke she's said she's voting for him. She's running in 2028. And i think she's looking for the path that she doesn't have to completely kiss the ring. But she doesn't want to alienate the trump voters. I think leadership requires people saying donald trump is it's not acceptable as the republican nominee i think people shouldn't get into politics for the jobs they want. They get in it for philosophy and donald trump doesn't have one. While a lot of people get in it for jobs that they want is their problem. But the, but from a philosophical point of view, no, no republicans should assume that a second trump term is going to be the flowering of conservatism in washington that didn going to happen. Yeah and speaking of what's happening, too, conservatism conservatism is my washington we talked last week after liz cheney had said she was voting for harris in your thoughts on that? she's now come out and said her father, dick cheney is also voting for harris. He affirmed that in a statement it was not that long ago that you and i were talking and you said that you are going to be writing in her dad, dick cheney, in 2024. Does it make any difference of what you're going to do that he himself is voting for harris. Well, you know the fact that liz and dick or both well, it's voting for harris has put a wrench into my plan to double or triple nationwide cheney vote. But i think as of now i'm still going to vote for dick cheney because for the same reason i did in 2020, i want to vote for a conservative republican and notwithstanding his support for harris, he is a conservative republican. If dick cheney became president, kamala harris would not they in his cabinet. I think it's important that we not allow the republican party to be turned into a cult of personality after trump wins or loses, there will be a fight for the republican party from what i would call the reaganite wing of the party against the trump wing of the party. And a lot rides on it and particularly in the national security space because the democrats have no national security wing and author republican party turns isolationist. There won't be anybody advocating the right kind of foreign policy. So there's a struggle ahead one way or the other after election day, whatever the outcome at the presidential level ambassador john bolton. Thank you. 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But there's no way i can vote for a democrat in this election i should note a meta spokesperson denies that exchange saying that zuckerberg has not publicly endorsed anyone and quote, has not communicated to anybody how he intends to vote the reporter who conducted that interview was olivia doozy, new york magazine's washington correspondent, and her latest cover story, the afterlife of donald trump is out today with a pretty amazing cover where you talked to him a lot about this assassination attempts but the conversations with mark zuckerberg and also he told you that jeff bezos called him after this. I mean, what did he have to say about those we got an off the record. No comment from jeff bezos's spokesperson, so i don't think that was something that he wanted out there. Whether or not it was true that they spoke on the phone? i thought it was interesting. Donald trump brought that up to me when i asked him about fear and whether or not he had felt fear during the assassination attempt. He said, i didn't think the fear as if fear something that you choose to think of are not think of. And then he immediately pivoted to sort of peacocking and telling me about these impressive people who he alleges contacted him to tell him that he's going to support them, that they're going to support him. But it comes spoke to donald trump's reluctance or inability to really look in word and talk about what's going on in his interior life. Well, you seem to try to kind of have introspective moment with him during this to talk about corey comperatore, the guy who was killed that day, the father who jumped on top of his daughter and his wife what was that moment like? it was interesting if it's one of those moments where i could tell that trump was really trying and he admitted that he didn't think of it. And then he distracted me for a little while talking about how much money he had raised for the family. He clearly felt bad and he was much more comfortable talking about what he had done for the family actually. And then when i came back around, i asked him again, the question was, have you thought at all about why he now believes that an interventionist god stepped in to essentially move his face and prevent him from being killed and i said, well, what kind of god would intervene to save you? and not saved somebody else? and he really didn't want to grapple with that. And then finally he said, i haven't thought much about that. I probably should think about it and gave me some spiel about how he's been distracted, running the campaign. He's got his business and he's trying not to think too hard about those things, but it's interesting to see him in this moment where something monumental has happened to him that would make anyone change or prompt anyone to look inward will you said you felt that he was different. Seems to occur for a long time. Was it i mean, you know, he's highly distractible. He is who he is. He's always been the same. He wasn't changed by the office of the presidency and it's very interesting to sit across u. S. From him at this moment. And he's much he's thinking more before he answers a question. I've been interviewing him for ten years. He finally asked me where i'm from like he is just more interested in being a part of the human race. But will that yield different results? i think the answer is no, we were both at the press conference on friday where donald trump stood up and talk opt for, it felt like three hours. I don't know how long it was about all of the allegations against him, about sexual misconduct. And he sounded just like any old donald trump that we've known over the last decade, it was very 2015, 16 ask olivia nuzzi. It's a great interview. Everyone should read the piece. Thank you for joining us and talking about it out in new york magazine in tonight. Thank you all so much for joining us here on the source this evening, cnn newsnight with abby phillip starts right now