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This for them not to surrender, but go forward to their deaths a horror, not always publicized or fully countered for, yet being felt steadily by ukrainians as they struggle to hold the eastern Line Nick Paton walsh, cnn thanks for joining us. The source starts now is cnn Breaking News Breaking News on the Source Tonight. The father of the 14yearold accused its the shooting up his school has just been arrested tonight. Now facing multiple charges, including second degree murder. And cnn has learned that father telling investigators he bought that gun for his son as a Holiday President , which would make the purchase just months after authorities contacted the family all in thats the Gating School Shooting threats. Im Kaitlan Collins and this is the source authorities in georgia tonight, wasting no time because just a day after that Mass Shooting at apalachee High School in winder, georgia, the father of the 14yearold Suspect is now facing charges of his own he is charged with the following four counts of involuntary manslaughter to counts of Seconddegree Murder, and eight counts of cruelty to children mr. Gray, these charges stem from mr. Gray knowingly allowing his son, cole to possess a weapon our Law Enforcement Team tonight confirms this is just the second time a parent of an accused School Shooter has been charged in relation to the crime. The first of course, the parents of the michigan School Shooter in 2021, Ethan Crumbleys parents were convicted of involuntary manslaughter in both sentence to a decade in prison. Remember the judge in that case lamented about the Warning Signs and missed opportunities they had to prevent what their son did and a reminder of just how young the gunman, the accused gunman in this shooting is. Look at him, hear the Barrow County Sheriffs Office Today released his booking photo photo. Colt gray is now facing four counts of Felony Murder Tonight are expecting his initial Court Appearance to happen tomorrow morning. And authorities say that while being questioned, he told investigators, quote, i did it cnns ryan young is on the ground in winder, georgia. We just got an update from officials, ryan, what more are you learning on the ground about the remarkable News Tonight that the father or has now been arrested as well yeah, absolutely. Kaitlan. Look, weve worked covered these stories before i can tell you investigators from the inside of in very angry about some of the details theyve been able to discover over the last few hours. Theyve been working this nonstop. Look, we reported earlier that in a nearby county, Jackson County, that there was that report that happened in investigators stopped by at that point colin gray, the father, indicated to investigators yes, there were guns inside the house, but there was no unsupervised access to those guns. Its after that that investigators tell us that apparently for a Holiday Gift this gun was purchased and then say ar Arplatform Style Weapon that was apparently broken down into a backpack and then brought into the school. So that is the Big Question now because investigators are trying to figure out how did the gun and make it into school. Theyre going through the video. There searching exactly what happened. But i can tell you they are so angry at the fact that this gun was purchased just a few months ago, Jackson County schools was put on alert, but he transferred to the Barrow County School System then theres that whole mix up where in terms of how many days did he actually attends school . We do know on tuesday, he reported that he had anxiety, went to the Counselors Office and then of course a couple of days later, that fatal shooting that happened that has left this community torn apart with all this happening, even right now, there are more than a dozen people standing right behind me at this memorial that has been gathering steam throughout the day because people have been arriving here nonstop and reflecting about how much they he loved this school and this community. People were shocked that the arrest happened so quickly. Now, what i want to tell you is not only to the gbi, not tell us what the sheriff where was the Father Arrest and we spent time outside the home today, talk to neighbors. Neighbors said they had just moved in recently because we know he transferred schools were still trying to find out those details. And when he i have is first Court Appearance is something that were still tracking at this very hour, caitlin. Yeah. And it was good to hear from officials. They do believe all the victims who were in the hospital who are wounded are expected to make her her cover some of them already released. Brian young, keep us updated with what youre hearing on the ground for more on this arrest tonight. Joining me is the former Deputy Director of the fbi, Andrew Mccabe and cnns chief Law Enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller. And john, when you when you look at how quickly this happened tonight, this came out and we came out right before we heard from officials, they come out, they said the father knowingly allowed his son to possess this weapon he said they had probable cause. What could that look like . That could look like a couple of things which is one, an interview with the father where he was where he we are told by our sources disclose to them that he bought this gun, that he made it a gift and it is likely in that conversation that they pressed him on. What were the conditions of access to that gun, but then there is the wild card, which we have less visibility into, which is the sheriff told cnn today, told Isabella Rosalas that when the 14yearold Suspect sat down, he started talking, was read his Miranda Rights and has continued talking so we also have to assume that some of the information they had about what level of access he had to how he got access to it, how he got access to ammunition and loaded it likely came from him i mean, that speaks to the power of also having the sun in the dad both to speak to them. And andra, when you when you look at this and you heard what investigators were saying at that Press Conference just a few moments ago. I mean, this is the only second time that we know of where a parent has been arrested in direct relation to a the School Shooting carried out by their child. What stood out to you from what you heard from officials well, its an incredible story that weve learned throughout the course of the day today, its certainly seems justified, right . I think anyone whos been following the Story Learning that the father basically armed the sanaa few wants to go after receiving he needs concerns about alleged threats to the school. Its just absolutely horrifying. But we have to remember that so far with what little we know about the information that police actually have right now, its hard to say whether or not this is a case that will stand up to the sort of legal scrutiny that we saw in the michigan case. The michigan case against the families. You remember kaitlan in that case, you had situation very rare situation where the parents knew two things right before the shooting took place. One, that their son had a weapon they provide it to him and to that he was experiencing this mental Distress And School and having these very violent writings and calm comments in his notebook, there were called into school to address that, he actually had the gun in his backpack during that meeting so they knew that very close in time to when the shooting took place. So far, we dont have that same sort of temporal connection that we know of yet between what the father knew in the days and hours leading up to the shooting. But i suspect that georgia would not have indicted him unless they have, as john suggested, some pretty solid information. Yeah. Its a huge step by the Georgia Bureau of investigations and join, we have this audio of when investigators went and spoke with the dad this is 2023 when the student was still the shooter was 13yearsold at the time, and there have been threats made online. They went to investigate it. And this is what the dad said to them about weapons and the presence of them inside the house . Yeah. Ive walked with they are having Theres Nothing loaded, but they are we were actually we do a lot of shooting, we do out there on he shot his first year this year so okay im pretty much in shock. Maybe as oscillator. Well, come old off to be even really honest with event as what was said i. Mean that conversation happens and seven months later, eight months later, he buys him an ar 15 for christmas yes so that is that is quite bizarre. But if you look at the history here go back to the newtown, Connecticut Massacre of those little children in their first clade classrooms. This was a boy who was going through dealing with mental problems. His mother bought him that rifle and they went shooting together. It was what they do to bond and he took that he killed her and then killed those children remember newport news, virginia, the firstgrader, a sevenyearold, went in and shot his teacher with a pistol. That mom was charged for not safeguarding that gun in a way that he couldnt get to it so this is going to become a recurring theme. And i believe that the charging of parents with these extraordinarily serious charges that convictions we saw with the crumbley the 21 months that the first Graders Mom served for child endangerment, what well see in this case well start to send a warning to parents that this is not a joke about locking up these guns. What are the Gun Storage laws in georgia . There lacks if i recall, if and georgia has very liberal Gun Laws for instance, Kaitlan Possession of a rifle by a person under 18 it is not particularly unlawful purchase of a rifle require somebody to be 18, 21 for a handgun. But theres no Permit Process and if theyre at home and their parents give them permission, if theyre on a firing range, even handguns become legal. So its a state where as andy pointed out, one of the challenges is going to going to get these charges to stick by showing there was compelling reasons to know that having access to that gun by this kid in his State Of Mind was a clear and present danger. And Andrew Mccabe dad has been charged tonight with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of Seconddegree Murder, and eight counts of cruelty to children. Why is it really two counts of Seconddegree Murder when obviously as we know, there are four victims here yeah, thats a really good question. Kaitlan, i dont i dont have the answer to that one off the top my head, im not an expert on georgia state law, but those charges all represent different approaches to holding him responsible for these deaths they are charges that would allow for the conviction of someone holding Somebody Accountable for death for less than what you see in a traditional Homicide Prosecution of prosecution like murder with malice aforethought. These are charges that open up the possibility of convicting someone for engaging in reckless conduct or criminally negligent conduct. So im not sure about what i just those two. But certainly youre seeing an array of charges here to open the opportunity to potentially get a conviction based on something less than the traditional Homicide Standard for conviction condition, something along the reckless or negligent levels and knew you were just mentioning Ethan Crumbley and the Warning Signs that were so clearly present that case in michigan before before he shot up his school, don i mean, that exist here to the look at what his family is telling the washington Tim Post an ad saying he was begging for help from everybody around him, the adults around him fail to. His grandfather was saying something similar to the New York times. We know that investigators who were searching the home found writings in his room referencing School Shootings, referencing what happened at Marjory Stoneman douglas. I mean, the signs were there. Its not just that no one had any idea. And i think that this this combines with what the grandfather said when he talked about the conditions at home, the fact that his father was abusive, not physically abusive, but screamed and yelled and things were a very high pitch a very difficult divorce. He said, but im telling you the environment he lived in. You put somebody in a situation like that for ten or 11 years and remember, were talking about a kid whos 13 and then 14. Guess whats going to happen . Nothing good. A lot of Family Members saw the situation developing there. Yeah. I mean, just so many questions about what everyone knew. John miller, Andrew Mccabe. Thank you both and tonight, i do want to note weve been talking a lot about the shooter and about his father understandably. So given the News Tonight, but i also want to remember the four victims of yesterdays shooting again tonight, 14yearold student, mason schermerhorn, 14yearold, Christian Angulo and the teachers at that school, Richard Aspinwall and christina irimie, of course, thinking of their families, their friends, their Loved Ones on this night. Theres much more to come on. This new arrest, all the new details and there are a lot of them. Theyre coming out ill tonight. Were going to be joined by a criminal Defense Attorney on whether those charges could hold up in court plus there are some big news in the Trump Election Interference case. There has been basically none since last season. December, but now were learning more about the critical evidence that voters could see before the election the Ups Store, these more the shifting story. 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The prosecutor behind that first of its Kind Case spoke to cnn about the parallels moments ago the prosecution of the crumbleys was never, ever meant to be a floodgate of charges against parents because it was such an Agr Aegis Set of facts so i am i think i share the emotions of the entire country that even after that well publicized case were still here joining me now cnn legal analyst and criminal Defense Attorney joey jackson. Joey, when you look at these two i mean, this has only happened two times ever that we know of in united states history. What parallels do you see . So far between georgia and michigan via kaitlan, theres a lot write the first parallel is the the obvious and that are, you children are dead at the hands of other children. And then you have to look to how did that happen . And could it have been prevented and to what, if any, degree, that parents have responsibility certainly kaitlan we saw responsibility in michigan as it related to those parents being held accountable, both being convicted, both serving ten to 15 years as a result of involuntary manslaughter. That being right. Not intending to kill, but as a result of their gross negligence. If you look here, it looks like were seeing some think very similar. What a gun being allowed in the hands of a child was war proper measures put in place to secure that weapon apparently not and so to the extent that you hold parents responsible, i think you create deterrence now, having said deterrence, kaitlan, this just happened michigan we, when they went to trial literally in february and march of this year, they will found guilty, they being james and jennifer crumbley. And here we are. Its september and were talking about it again, but i i think its certainly vital and necessary for prosecutors to hold parents response. And then judge was so upset in that case saying the signs were there and you just ignored them. You didnt heed them and was essentially hoping that would be a warning sign. And now were seeing this play out again. And i wonder obviously a lot of these shootings the shooter is not often alive. And the fact that he is and hes talking to investigators. And we learned earlier he told them i did it. And what difference. Does that make to investigation . Well, its big because what you do is you question any suspect here, obviously, the suspects are juveniles. Therell be moved we shouldnt made by Defense Lawyers if it comes a time that theres a trial to suppress those statements on various grounds. Did he know what he was doing . Hes younger, certainly Law Enforcement can talk to juveniles. They their protections just like anybody else though and those statements have to be voluntary, knowing, et cetera. But at The End of the day to your question, its a Core Part of the investigation. You want to ask the suspect what happened when addition to a statement, we also know kaitlan and that they did some investigation and they found that investigation, what his State Of Mind was, what the planning was, what the intent was, a lot more will come out, but the fact that the police responded in a previous time to the home based upon a post that he made and theres still a gun available thats troubling problematic, and arguably criminal well, and what difference does it make for the investigation that they have this audio of the dad . I mean, this was just last last may when there was its discord. Its the site and a user was posting threats of School Shootings that so they went to his house. Were speaking to he and his father and they were asking what he said to his son about that. And he was saying you know, i dont think so. I dont remember anything like that. And the officer was there saying, you know, this is serious stuff and the dad says he knows its serious, trust me. So in direct answer to your question, this is going to be a prosecution about gross next negligence. The degree to which you put a firearm in the hands of your son and knowing potentially what the dangers are and what your Sons Behavior is. Now, joy but it has a statute very briefly and people ask, why does Seconddegree Murder at Seconddegree Murder . Because if you engage in negligence and a child dies, thats what it is in georgia. So that goes to the negligence and then ive goes to potential guilt in the case. Very important piece of evidence. Yeah. I mean, just fascinating development and i joey jackson, thank you for that. 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That means that we could see, for instance, exactly what the former Vice President Mike Pence had to say to a Grand Jury when he testified against trump in april of last year . It could be explosive indeed on it straight to my legal Sources Tonight on this Elie Honig is a former federal prosecutor and retired judge, jill konviser, a former new York State Supreme Court justice. Its great to have you both here. Elie, just on this Mike Pences Grand Jury testimony, if that comes out, that can be i mean, this isnt going to trial. Weve been talking about that and focused on that. But if Mike Pences testimony comes out, that could be quite significant for sure. This is the one Thing Donald trumps lawyers walking into that Courtroom Today did not want to happen for precisely this reason because what this means is we all in the public will see at least some of what Mike Pence said behind closed doors. Grand jury is secret unless it comes out in this type of proceeding, but i do want to raise one really important Red Flag about what happened today. Because prosecutors and the judge are going down a very dangerous path is clear. The prosecutors think they can still introduce evidence of what Donald Trump said to pressure Mike Pence and the judge clearly is with them on that. But the Supreme Court in their ruling, they didnt quite say thats out. Thats immune. They said thats presumptively immune, meaning the Supreme Court has already said we are leaning strongly against letting you put in evidence of what Mike Pence said. So if Judge Chutkan ultimately sides with prosecutors and says, okay, go ahead. You can introduce the Mike Pence evidence at trial. Theres a very good chance the Supreme Court reverses that. Okay. But in the meantime, before we get to that, though, we could actually see this, put aside whats happening in the court in public opinion politics. Yes, we will see that on september 26. Well, and trumps attorneys were clearly arguing with the election timing in mind. They kept calling it a sensitive time that we are in which Judge Chutkan was not very happy with. She said, quote, this court is not concerned with the electoral schedule and John Lauro said, were talking about the presidency of the united states she said, i am not talking about the presidency. I am talking about a four court fell four Count Indictment well, first of all, it does fall and should perhaps fall on deaf ears with respect to this, judge, because this case is old and dragging along and on hiatus for months and months and months because of the defendants motions and because of their appeals that they can take them. Thats fine. But it is a little rich for Defendant Trump to its akin to him killing his parents and begging for mercy from the court because hes an orphan. He created this delay and now we are on the steps. The front lawn of the election, and hes complaining about it. He, he sort of created the delay so in that sense, i agree with you, but i think your point about the Mike Pence information, the Supreme Court did say that they did send it back to chutkan for her review and said you make the decision, but yes, they can disagree with her, wouldnt worry you. Were the trial judge, what it does but the point also is its why the Defense Lawyer said we want you to rule on that first we want to know that because once you rule against us, don that we wanted then run to the Circuit Court and then to the Supreme Court to make this even longer and slower and further away from the election on the Supreme Court was brought up today because the defense is essentially saying that they were pointing to the opinion from Justice Clarence thomas in that Immunity Ruling saying that he directed them to essentially make these Arguments Today about pursuing this motion. But then he quickly corrected himself when the judge interrupted and said he directed you to do that. I mean, it does show people were wondering at the time why the why justice thomas was essentially going on about the Special Counsel and his merits as his own office in that ruling. That was a major fail by the defense team. I mean, that was an embarrassment now theyre making a different argument, shifting away from immunity, that Special Counsel itself is unconstitutional, and that argument has been made several times, including in the dc federal courts, including in that Court Of Appeals which have rejected that argument too, said no Special Counsels perfectly constitutional. And today, Judge Chutkan said, well, isnt that The End of the story . And trumps team said, well, Clarence Thomas in his Immunity Ruling went on a Little Bender and said, i think you might want to do this completely fell flat. The judge rejected that out of hand. She said, i dont care what one justice said in passing okay. Im obsessed with this Supreme Court case, but i do have to ask you because tomorrow we are going to find out from Judge Marshawn here in New York who you know very well. I should i should note for anyone whos forgotten, as weve talked about it, ad nauseam, about whether or not hes sentencing donald ill trump 13 days from now or if hes going to wait until after the election, whats your sense . My sense is that he probably hasnt made that determination i would say he is. If he does and hes if he doesnt, either, he sentences him just before the election and hes criticized because he because it its too close election or he waits and that he looks weak and hes punted it. If i were him and i dont know what hes going to do. I would wait till after the election. I would issue my three 3030 Post Judgment Decision and i would sentence him if he hasnt granted the motion the same day. That would be The End well, good. 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The kremlin is accused of replacing troll farms and bhatts of years past you remember that from 2016 with actual and pretty influential american voices in this election, the Justice Department is highlighting the Money Trail leading from what the Fed Say is the kremlin to a u. S. Based company, a u. S. Based company that is thank rolling some of those notable names in rightwing media that youll see online. These are american influencers who have millions of followers. And you off to host wellknown republicans, including the former president of the united states. What they say sometimes can sound strikingly similar to russian State Tv this is psychotic. Ukraine is the enemy of this country. One of the greatest enemies of our nation right now is ukraine some of these. Voices make clear who they want to win in November Trump now represents something much bigger than you know, your uncles old republican they often brag about their ability to impact political discourse present trump calling Qanon Harris communist kamala . Yes who said to do that our Chat Prosecutors dont claim that any of those people you just saw knew that the Company Tenet media, was funded with money that was coming from russia. Theyve all described themselves as victims in this case, saying that they created their own content without Editorial Input from anyone. But i should note Todays Indictment is another Indictment Today of a russian american political pundit who was reportedly paid directly by russian state media. And also work directly with the russian government about his content i sources are experts in this stuff. Donie o sullivan, julia ioffe, you both here tonight and obviously julia, what do you make of this shift of what weve seen from 2016 when it was a troll farm. All of these bots to now trying to coopt real americans. What appears to be a pretty hefty russian budget . Well, you have to keep evolving in a asymmetrical war, right . And i think the russians discovered quite a while ago that there is an actual ideological affinity among Maga Republicans and the kremlin if you recall, Tucker Carlson on the eve of russias fullscale invasion of ukraine, said, why are we fighting russia when its a christian nationalist Country Led by a White Christian nationalist leader who who is fighting trans people, gay people, and the lgbt agenda. These should be, or natural allies and i think the russian government realized that this was in fact true and we saw reporting memos that have come out of the kremlin and the various pr and political consulting firms they use that specifically say to target people like Benny Johnson like Tim Pool because of this ideological affinity that you dont actually have to feed them any of this. Theyre saying this on their own. Yeah. I mean, it feels like they almost maybe over for paid. These are people who would have echoed a lot of these Talking Points anyway and donie, people watching at home may say, okay, i dont know who that is. I dont know if Benny Johnson is. I dont know who Tim Pool is. They dont have always mainstream recognition when it comes to their names. But when it comes to reach an impact, youve been looking into this, how far does it go yeah. Kaitlan, these guys have massive, huge audiences. I mean, they are essentially stars on Social Media on the far right in conservative twitter as such, i think we have a full screen. We can show where just between three of the guys who are tied up in this alleged russian operation, Benny Johnson and tim Pool And Dave rubin just on youtube alone between them, they have about 7 Million subscribers. They are just reaching millions and millions of people every single day. Now everybody including the three gentlemen you see there on screen they say they deny that they knew anything about this. Indeed, the doj makes clear that they seemingly were unwittingly coopted here, as we have seen in the past, in terms of unwitting coopting americans doing russias bidding, moscows bidding for them and their sometimes referred to as useful idiots. But reading through this indictment, it does begged the question, some of these guys are getting paid a lot of money one person who is not identified, we havent tied the theres the commentator to name, but one u. S commentator was getting paid about 5 Million a year just to make a few videos a month for this operation, to knock question. Are enough, wonder where that money really is coming from . These guys are lacking curiosity. I would say that most generous interpretation of us. Yeah. I mean, its pretty remarkable to think theyre getting paid that much and well talk about that more in a second. Weve got lre if youre on standby, but julia, i do want to ask you about what putin said today because we heard from him and today it was first time since this indictment was unsealed yesterday, it was essentially comment that was dripping with sarcasm, as he said that he is supporting Vice President harris in this election. He went on to say, you know, biden told us to support her, so were supporting her. And then just to show you how much he is paying attention to u. S. Media coverage. He invoked her laugh, which is obviously something that Trump And Vance and a lot of republicans have made fun of when it, when it comes to the Vice President is there any reason you, a russia expert, would believe that the putin does want harris to win this election over Donald Trump now, i dont think he wants harris to win. Its the same. He endorsed president biden, endorsed president biden earlier and it was just it was sarcasm. There have been times when he has talked about Donald Trump and how hes being unfairly prosecuted and persecuted by the u. S Justice Department. That everybody in the whole world understands that hes a victim of the biden political machine. That listen, if you watch russian State Tv, which is heavily controlled by the kremlin owned outright, buy it you will see stuff that looks a lot like fox and tropes that you see, you and i see all the time in rightwing Media Stuff about camillas laugh, stuff about her not being very bright, stuff about, the lewd things that Donald Trump has retreated about her potentially using sexual favors to advance in her career and so what weve seen actually in the last eight years since 2016, is you have this big Feedback Loop between rightwingers here in washington. And the kremlin friendly and kremlin controlled press in russia and they all repeat and recycle the same memes and it goes the other way too. You see a lot of russian propagandists recycling what they hear american rightwingers say, not just the other way around julia, i afi donie osullivan. Thank you both. And we also have sandilya room, who has reported extensively on the rightwing ecosystem that joey was just talking about. There. She has an excellent book on this called black pill, how i witnessed the darkest corners of the internet im to life poisoned society, and capture american politics. A Book Title that, that really does say it all and what donie was mentioning theyre not asking question its when theyre getting massive paychecks like 5 Million or 400,000 for a video. I mean this was an ecosystem that created that environment where that happens and people dont ask questions right . Well, for a long time, there was a section of the far right, the right that was seeking a relationship with russia and they were having trouble getting money out of them so in 2017 in charlottesville, these altright marchers were shouting, russia is our friend, which seemed like this bizarre thing for a bunch of racist to be talking about. But that was part of a yearslong effort. So in emails, i obtained from my book all right. Leader Richard Spencer and his patron bill regnery, wrote about a Mission To Moscow in 2014. They had the idea that moscow, might find them useful in making antiamerican and pro russian propaganda they said that perhaps they could develop a relationship with the state then they said about trying to make those contexts they organized a conference in budapest and hungary. The featured speaker was going to be a russian nationalist, alexander dugin. But at the last minute the government declared that it was illegal. Spencer was detained and he is interrogated. About his relationship to do again. Then in 2018, regnery flies to st. Petersburg in meets with a commentator for czar grad. Thats a russian Tv Channel thats on by an oligarch thats under u. S. Sanctions for years. Theyre pushing out ideas like dui should leave nato that ukraine is a fake country that american Cultural Hegemony is a bad thing. And that russia is stopping it and when you look at that and talk about your time covering this and how its infiltrated republican conversations. What weve seen, tenet media, specifically, it talks about you when you look at this company thats the company thats based in tennessee that was paying these people. They say unwittingly with the russian money that they were receiving you look at the indictment. It was it was like 90 of Tenant Media is funding. Funding came from this 10 Million from the russians according to this indictment, it was a lot of money. Hes lashing around and i saw in june a guest on tim Pool Show for ten and it was called the culture where it was Richard Spencer. So i called him today. I was like, what was it like . You called richardsons are today and he said one of his main takeaways was all the money they were throwing around that they flew him to the dc airport, that they picked him up in a fancy suv. He was driven to West Virginia where Polls Studio is put up in a hotel. There or even Construction Workers working on the skate park, that Pool Bot recently in the area so tenant didnt get all of its money from russia according to the indictment, but at least in spencers is they had a big budget thats really remarkable. Lra i know youll do more reporting on this will continue to follow the story. 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Showing their son who was murdered by hamas in captivity beforehand they said in a statement, im quoting him now, this must serve as an immediate Wake Up Call to the world to take Action Today to secure the release of the remaining 101 hostages before it is too late no other families should go through what our family and the families of the other recently executed hostages have endured. This is coming as the israeli prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has offered his clearest statement yet on whether a Ceasefire And Hostage deal in gaza is in the making . Hamas is not there with a deal. Theres not a deal in the making. Unfortunately, still hasnt happened that comment there is in stark contrast, what were hearing from the white house, president bidens own hopeful messaging just this weekend burj time to time to finish. Our Source Tonight on this is israels ambassador to the united nations, danny danon, ambassador. Weve had you on twitter in New York, great to have you netanyahu. Says theres no deal in the making. I mean, thats not what we are hearing from the president , from the secretary of state. What is the reality . We want to lower expectations because we have experienced with hamas in may the u. S. Proposed the deal. We said yes, hamas said no, in august, another deal was proposed modified by the u. S we agreed to the deal. Hamas said no, they rejected all do that will propose thats why we dont want to read expectations, but we are still continue to send the head of the mossad and other officials to negotiate. We will not stop with that. Hopefully we will reach an agreement, but with hamas you never know. Yeah, but we keep hearing. Hopefully well reach an agreement and i when you hear Secretary Blinken said today, 90 there on a deal theyre 90 , theyre blinken repeated that again Today Netanyahu says Theres Nothing in the making. What is the discrepancy . There was supposed to believe when there were grateful for the support from the officials from the u. S. Trying really hard but the reality on the ground and look what happened last week. You know, the executed six hostages who stayed alive for 11 months in the tunnels they shot him in the back of the head One American and now theyre asking for more prisoners to be released. So my feeling that every time we get closer to reach we women, hamas will come up with another excuse. Why not to sign an agreement. But is it just hamas . I mean, obviously theyve been changing the terms of this ever since the first Ceasefire Last November but but, you know, theres obviously also very extensive reporting in Israeli Media about netanyahu also changing his demands, including for the Philadelphi Corridor to be maintained by the idf. So as israel also changing its request. So without going into details, we made the heavy compromises. When i say heavy compromises it means that we are willing to release terrorists, who murdered israelis were willing to make steps on the ground in gaza so i think we proved that we are willing to pay a heavy price because we understand that every day the lives of the hostages in danger. You know, i read yesterday in the security council, we are the first debate since october 7, vinci at the u. N. About the hostages. And i read the testimony of the prisoners who came back from gaza. The raping, the torture. We know whats happening there. So we are willing to pay a price well when it comes to that, though, i mean, the most powerful comments on this have been from the families of the hostages themselves. You just heard from hershs parents and omer neutra, his parents. Hes an Israeli American hostage. His parents said this today about that comment from netanyahu saying its hamas fault, there is no deal. This is what they had to say i would expect from the Prime Minister to say, instead of just dismissing whatevers on the table and blaming it on hamas to say that he is committed to making a deal that will work. And not just dismiss it, you know, lightheartedly like it, like it is just to crossed. We know the gotta be a deal with the devil. Do the deal. Brings the hostages and lead on. Do what you need to make sure that israel is secure, not on the back of my child. What does israel say to families like a mayors who say the imperative to save our son, to save these other hostages supersedes any kind of other consideration for this war . So i think anyone would do the same, will fight for those sounds and the we understand that we are doing everything we can but unfortunately, we have no rational player to negotiate with. Many of my critically well, lets have a deal. But when you have seen well wants to stay alive, wants to continue to control gaza, wants to have the hostages around him its not up to us. So i think we should continue both with the Military Pressure and we will not stop kaitlan. We will continue until we will bring them back home. Its an Military Pressure working. I mean, i was in israel the last Hostage Release and Ceasefire Agreement that was last november. Its been almost a year since october 7. Now so its working, but its not enough. We were able to release the hostages, but its not enough. Were under third in order to bring those who are still alive, we need to make a deal. That we will continue to negotiate a deal. But i think hamas should realize that we are determined to bring them back home and for now theyll still hoping that maybe well be able to stay alive. You said you wanted to downplay expectations. Does that mean a deal is not happening in the near future . You know, i speak with the families before the debate at the u. N. I. Spoke with many families and i always in a situation that i dont want to wait expectations because every the headlines and they believe at maybe tomorrow they will have the love coming for shabbat with them. Its not happening so soon. Its complicated. We are dealing with a terrorist organization. They dont come with demands that we can meet a maybe and im afraid that is the case. They really dont want to have a deal because they know that at The End of the day, if they will at least all the hostages, they will have no Bargaining Chips in order to stay alive ambassador danny, do now keep us its updatenk