After two high school students and two teachers or murder today, at least nine others were hospitalized. And what is now the 40 if it's school shooting in america? just this year alone, chilling accounts are emerging from what happened inside that school today. As we're also learning new details tonight about the 14yearold suspect who is now in custody, including how he was questioned by law enforcement about school shooting threats just last year. I'm kaitlan collins. And this is the source as i noted, we're awaiting a live update from the authorities right there in georgia. They are gathering at the microphones on what is now the deadliest school shooting in america this year law enforcement officials are expected to brief u. S. At in a moment, we're going to bring that to you live when it happens. But as we wait tonight, we are getting new details about the weapon that was used in today's mass shooting at apalachee high school in winder, georgia? that's just northeast of atlanta. A law enforcement official tells cnn the gunman used an ar 15 style rifle when he killed two students and two teachers and injured at least nine others this morning, i want to take a listen to the officials now. All right good evening as you can tell, we know that it's been a long day. I want to thank you for being patient with us today. I want to thank you for understanding that this is still an active crime scene, but from the minute that this tragic incident happened today governor kemp has been with me. I've been talking to me and several times and has been on our side and law enforcement side. And i wanted to introduce him to make a few statements again, thank you for your patience. And at this time or more introduce the governor and then director hosey will take answers and questions after that well thank sheriff. Just want to thank you and your team for the incredible work that they've done. The response of our first responders today has been unreal superintendent leduff, principle leroy, who just did an incredible job with these kids this hits home for us being for athens just down the road, marty and i have a daughter that taught firstgrade just a few years ago this is everybody's worst nightmare just want to offer my sincere condolences and our thoughts and prayers to the families of that have lost loved ones for those that are injuring and injured and continuing to fight. Through just a tragic time for really this whole community that's been affected by today's actions. And i just cannot thank the first responders enough. I cannot thank director hosey colonel hitchins, threat or stalin's at jima, the whole state response i want to thank especially as at farley and her team from the fbi fbi, that are embedded with us in the school as we speak, running down every single lead and other things that director hosey will mentioned tonight i represented bear county when i was in the state senate 20 years ago these are our neighbors. These are our friends in this community is hurting today. And i would just ask all georgians and all americans to can you continue to keep these families, these educators in these students, in your thoughts and prayers and we will provide every state resource that is needed from here until they're not to support this community and support this team behind me and with that, i'll turn it over. Director hosey thank real quick. We wanted to provide some additional updates from today's events and i will mention too that this will be our last update for the evening so i police hope you'll understand that let me start by saying that there's no evidence to report that any additional shooter was involved in this incident today. Investigators are actively pursuing. However, any leads of any potential associates of the shooter there was involved in this incident. So i say that to say we're following up any potential leads through the investigation to ensure if there were any associates involved in this that we we find them, we identify them so that's part of again, the ongoing investigation there is no evidence of a list of schools being targeted. However, there is a lot of evidence that is being recovered and evaluated we're going through everything to determine if there is any active threats to any schools in this area, this county in the state of georgia, we will continue to monitor that throughout this investigation, throughout the evening as we as we carry on there was a call. As we're aware of, to a local high school is wailed. This morning with a reported threat police responded and investigated and determined that there was no threat after all there's been reports that a colton gray, who is another student here at the school was involved or a colton great colt gray was involved in this if you recall from a previous press conference early this afternoon the individual that we've arrested and will be charged with this name is colt gray but there is another student here at the school with a very similar name. We won't ensure everyone that colton gray is not involved in this incident. That is the name that i provided you earlier this afternoon those reports were inaccurate. If that if that was passed on to you i do, however, want to identify the victims of this of this incident today. Those that lost their life in this tragic event mason shurma horn age 14, who is a student here at the school christian alkahlot, who is 14, also a student here at the school richard aspen wall not sure of his age, but he was a teacher here at the school and christina air air air murray, i'm sorry for my pronunciation. Who was also a teacher at the school. We will post a list of these victims for the correct spellings for everyone later this evening that we complete the press conference here also has been released. The fbi's national threat operations center has received received anonymous tips in the past of online threats to commit school violet or school shooting at an undetermined location in time the fbi referred this information to the decks and killed county sheriff office for action. The jackson county sheriff's office identified and located gray, who is our suspect in this case. They conducted an investigation at that time and there was no probable cause for rest or to take any additional law enforcement action this is not recent. This is in the past, but we wanted to bring that to your attention because we are pursuing that working with the fbi on that in any connection to that incident, that could be connected to today's incident as well? also we're also aware of some previous contacts that the department of family and children services in the area it had with the suspect in his family. And we are pursuing that avenue as well, too. To see if that has any connection with today's incident let me stress again as we have many times that this is still a very fluid investigation, is still very active we will have agents and there'll be law enforcement personnel that will be put pursuing investigative leads and collecting evidence throughout them night in too much of tomorrow, i would anticipate as well we again, ask for your patience and that this is a criminal investigation and we're going to treat it like that. So i apologize ahead of time if we don't answer some of the questions that you may ask, okay. Please understand i also want to want to bring note to one very special thing that we do not need to forget about here is we have, heroes in our midst we've talked about our law enforcement personnel. Are fire area mess those that are deceased are heroes in my book those that are in the hospital recovering right now, are heroes in my book. But also the heroes that we need to remember is our faculty and staff here at this school they acted admirably. They were heroes in the actions that they took. The protocols at this school in this system activated today, prevented this from being a much larger tragedy they're what we had here today. So i want to recognize them as he wrote, because they are and continue with our thoughts and prayers as has been mentioned the families that were lost here today, those who were lost here today those that are recovering in the hospital and obviously those that were affected directly by this tragedy here at the school, at all of the community of barrow county, we need to continue had them in our thoughts and prayers you're right away. Another one of these games. Can you tell us a by chance, since he's been charged as an adult important morrow would have he will be booked tonight. I'm not sure the court appears, but it will be within a reasonable amount the weapon that was used in this was an ar platform style weapon. So how did mr. Ray get the gun into this we are still investigating that aspect of it. How did the classroom get the gun come back? we heard some of that from sons were still trying to clarify a lot of the timeline him from the time that he got here to school today until the essence of two cleanse one for me. I mean, so often i know people at home, we always hear something that the fbi has heard, something about. Someone goes and does one of these tragic events how can we stop this from happening? because it feels like this happens every single time, which is school shooting that we heard that there was a prior thread was prior knowledge. What we lives are at stake, how can we stop this from happening well there's a variety of ways in my personal opinion community involvement, what our school system is doing here to ensure that whether we'd be able to stop it completely one day or not. I don't know that's those are decisions that each individual is making on their own to do this but again, i go back to what i said earlier about the he rose hear that prevented things from being a lot worse today. But we've got to take action within our own communities. Take care of each other, be aware of our surroundings and what's going on in our community the families here, they found alright our platform weapon again, that's part of a lot of the things that we're trying to clarify within the investigation there were very very early actuation wasn't from a nylon call from his balcony or staff member from a student. You just expand on nashville in minutes. Could you expand on why female faculty member walking around looking for this student minutes before he shot i'll let. Dried your hosey. Answer that question ma'am. Let's get to this question right here and then we'll come you asked how will they notified discuss today heard earlier walkers in here within seven minutes, so it was just curious how the notification went through. Did i went to her about it from a student? what was a faculty that made that call alerting law enforcement all of our teachers or armed with a form of an i. D. Costs and tj maxx it's in t6 alarms, u. S. And alerts to law enforcement office after buttons are pressed on an i. D. And it alerts us to that there is an active situation at the school for whatever reason. And that was pressed and we've had that about a week now. The reason actually pulling other students while they were in the hallway while this chaos is happening, while shooting was going on, storied boston cleaned their classmates into the classroom to give them secure, to get them to safety. What do you think that about these young folks who worked very 13, 14, 15yearsold, that they're looking out in another way is admirable. Side director hosey said, we have heroes among us. And those students and teachers that did that today saved a lot of lives. This could have been way worse than what we and again, the investigation is still trying to file through those that information, but those kids are our heroes and brave as well to do that when they hear an active shooter random talked about, let me let me get this one question right here did you have some elsewhere i was asking why no sir not looking for this kid and approached him. And why they sent a female faculty member to the house floor room. He was in with my daughter looking for him and said of the school resource officer or why allow it? to come and go from the class all the time. You sign restaurant, leave the classic, come back from time. Sometimes never come back was wondering the with with all due respect, ma'am, i think you're information is incorrect and our investigation it's going to lead to what we have and we will be glad to answer your questions once that's done for lying possibly more. Can you tell us about the sros? talk about a lot of heroes. You talked about how one of the sros founder the shooter what can you tell us about who they are? how long they've been working? and what they did today. Both of the sros that are here at these high schools at bother maha sculls, i have to they're both of the sros to include a third one was here today, not for any other reason other than to help and assist today they're the true heroes as well. They were actively looking they had an alert, i guess, if you will. And when they energetic to it or when this shooting began, they interacted with the shooter, mr. Gray, and as soon as they make contact with him, he gave up immediately. Share these officers now at this time, i'd rather not the shooter right now. He said, the shooter is in custody, the bear county detention center because he is a juvenile. He's being booked in and he will be transported to ry dc it is greater kept off right here before the shooting i'm not aware of that at this time. Sheriff for director, can you say the condition of those injured were taken to hospital, if you gotten any updates on how they're going? all of our victims that are at the hospital are going to make it and going to recover well, as we've been told, and we don't expect any more fatalities at this time. Last question at gravity to this scale incited you aware? speak to that backing expected at know what this is what what did the day is, man the students all of those affected tragic? when someone praise on kids. So tragic like i said earlier haiti is not going to prevail in our county and hates not going to prevail in our state in pure evil did what happened today. That's all i can tell you i want to continue to say that i'm proud of the men and women behind me. I'm proud of the women that stood beside me. I'm proud of the men and women who protected these kids. I'm proud of their staff. I'm proud of this community and i just asked for prayers thank you your office well, look, we've done a tremendous amount on school safety, but today is not the day for politics or policy. Today is a day for an investigation to mourn these presses, georgians that we have lost to. Thank the first responders that went into the line of fire the school staff superintendent the principal, and others that are just trying to hold this community together. That's what we need to be focused on right now. We also had a tragic loss of a firefighter in green county earlier today before this event happened with an explosion that killed the life of a first responder. That again was running in to danger when many people were trying to run out. And that's what the focus needs to be on tonight. I would ask thereby to continue to keep this community these victims and these educators and these men and women in law enforcement in your thoughts and prayers. Thank you. Thank you, governor just want to thank everyone for their patients and taking the time the cover this we ask that you continue to follow the gbi for updates. As we said earlier, we're going to continue to provide updates. It's very important that we get this information out but right now, we really want to focus on our victims and you have been listening to an update tonight from officials in georgia that was the director of the georgia bureau of investigation. You also heard from georgia's governor and the sheriff there an update on that school shooting that happened today, killing two students it's in two teachers who were murdered. We just got the names of the victims. What officials told us there that two of those victims were 14yearold students were teachers. Their names are mason shurma horne, who is 14yearsold, christian angelo, also 14. Richard aspen wall and christina emory. Those are the four victims of today's shooting, the 45th school shooting that has happened in the united states just this year alone we also got an update from officials about the suspect who as we know, is the 14yearold student at that school still questions tonight that remain unanswered about how he got that gun into the school and where it came from, and how he got access to it. But what we do know is he is going to be booked tonight according to the gbi director there as an adult, and that will be a transfer as we're still waiting to hear when his court appearance is going to happen. A lot that we're learning tonight, including from that press conference, joining me here tonight. Cnn's chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller, and cnn contributor jennifer mascia masia. Thank you both for being here. John, obviously a lot of questions about the shooter and how he got the gun into the school, what stood out to you from what you heard from officials there? well, i think we learned a lot particularly about that earlier threat. So in may of 2023, there were in barrow county now, but in may of 2023 a ninth grader whose 14 today was an eighth grader who was 13 at the time? and there was a gaming platform that is used by young kids. A lot where posts were made about an individual threatening to do a school shooting, that those reports went into the fbi's west virginia based threat operations center. They went through the processes of getting subpoena disclosure orders preservation orders. They got those postings, they traced it to an ip address and then a physical address. The fbi pass that information to the jackson county sheriff different county from this, right? they go to the house, they interview the parents. The father tells them, according bring to the fbi tells the jackson county sheriff? yes, their guns in the house yes. We have a son, but he doesn't have access to those. Those are locked away. They interview the 13yearold who says, i didn't make that threat. I know that that threat is there, but that wasn't me. And then it was shared i am told with the school authorities there, but then they move they move to barrow county and it appears that information didn't have a way to follow them because it was it was captured by the fbi threat center, referred to the locals who did the investigation turned out to be unsubstantiated, shared with the school. And now we see this today. So i thought that was the other question. A regulatory and they seem to suggest that they're looking into other contacts that they have with child services as the official said, there what kind of questions are they going to be looking into for something like that matter when we start off with the big ones that are in front of us, which are if there were weapons in the old house, it's presumable that those weapons traveled when the family moved there what was the situation with access? how did this individual get access to a rifle that was used today? the investigations operating theory right now is that it came from the home because they have no indication that it would have come from anywhere else with the tipping and cuing involved here between child services, the fbi tip, the jackson county investigation before barrow county had this incident today we have to ask ourself what were the signs? who were they shared with? we know in 83% of these cases, there are indicators before a shooting, what they call leakage and things that are noticed by teachers, students in counselors, and only half those times their shared yeah. And the other thing that they confirmed, jennifer is that it was an ar they said an error platform style weapon. Cnn confirmed mark morales earlier that it's an ar 15. That was the gun that was used here yes. And that doesn't surprise me. Most mass shootings are committed with handguns, but ar15 rifles, they have this this cache, this mystique, and we've seen a lot of mass shooters go for those in georgia but there is no minimum age to possess a rifle. Now you can't go to a gun store and buy a rifle but people go hunting with rifles with their parents. They have access to these guns. What's surprising to me is that after an fbi tip and a child protective services call, that this child still had access to those weapons now, georgia doesn't have any kind of a red flag law. But even if georgia did, the red flag would be on the parents, not the minor living in the home. There's really no mechanism within a family household to shield a child from guns if there's not any kind of criminal or civil liabilities are penalties place. I mean, the end, the fact that the shooter though is still alive. So often we are in this situation and these other mass shootings or shootings that happen at schools where the shooter is deceased and they cannot therefore interview that person. Not only did they say earlier they were interviewing him, they also talked about his family members as well. They said tonight there's a lot of evidence. It's still being evaluated they did what kind of evidence are they looking into? they mentioned a threat that happened in another school in the area. They said they went there. There was no threat to be acted upon, but there was a threat made at a nearby school in the same area this morning. So as a as a former fbi person, nypd person, the questions i'd be asking tonight is that threat that came in this morning was it designed to draw resources away from one location in terms of police and did it come from someone either the shooter are known to the shooter that threat as we were told, was that there were going to be shootings at five schools which would have divided police resources evenly between multiple locations one of the things that mr. Hosey from gbi told us at the press conference was we are looking hard to see if there were any compatriots involved or any associates that might have been involved, including you that would include the universe of possibly that color. Then there has to be what's going on right now, which is all right. So what guns are registered to the father? this gun has recovered now, what guns are in the house what was the access system there? we've all seen in cases like the oxford, michigan crumbley case where the attention after the shooter shifts to the parents in terms of criminal liability for was the gun to available whether that was in this case or a small child and virginia, which we've seen so that is kind of a new focus here. The other thing that stood out was when there was there was clearly a parent who maybe is also a reporter that was there asking questions, but right before she was asking questions, they asked who notified the police, was it a student was at a faculty member? officer said, he referred to it as sin tjx. It he said it's a badge alarm that these teachers have had. He's had they've only been using it for a week, but essentially they can push a button on it and notify authorities when there is danger in the school that is remarkable and we've seen a whole industry pop up since sandy hook really of school kennedy, where they have silent alarm buttons and there's a movement to get these things installed in school. It sounds like it worked out the best possible way it could work out to a point because for people still died. So we have school security measures. And in this day and age, let's be realistic. We need them. But unfortunately lives will still be lost, possibly even when all the scenarios, wanted up, jennifer mascia, john miller, great to have you both to break down those headlines. I just want to read the names of the four victims one more time as we have them from georgia officials, mason shurma horne, who was 14yearsold, christian angelo 14yearsold, and two teachers, richard aspen wall and christina emory, obviously, our thoughts are with their families and their loved ones and everyone who knew them tonight will continue to follow this up. Next, we have more with a foreign police officer who responded to the massacre that happened at another school at sandy hook. And also so student who survived the parkland shooting, david hogg will join me in just a moment we'll be right back backdrop for a minute look at this what i do for my let me back up for a minute from starting strong to it's been a week so many ways to save life, ready, wallet, happy. That's 365 by whole foods market, this tiny home trend not for me. 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We were one voice that was asking questions to those authorities about how this happened, how this shooter was found at the school today, and i believe you that you have her with you now absolutely. So as we're doing the news conference and we were getting that new information, rebecca's voice can be heard sort of over the reporters for a clear reason is because she's a parent at the school she has some concerns about what's actually being said. You said that you believe there was a call that came in earlier today that gave them an alert and they might have actually already been looking for the student when the shooting happened from what everybody is saying, there was a call at 9:30 this morning, but i don't know how true that is. All i know is that a school female worker came looking for the kid about ten to 15 minutes before he came back and started shooting. They got the wrong kid. They had to names mixed up and she left. And about ten to 15 minutes after she left the class, that's when he came back and approach the door that my daughter was in and a girl went up but saw that he had a gun and she backed away. And i guess that's when he just started shooting everybody else i saw the sheriff or walk over to you. What was that conversation afterwards? because obviously, i know you're a little angry because your daughter was in that class. I basically just feel like he was calling me a liar, saying that the staff member wasn't looking for the shooter, that she was looking for the kid whose names they mixed up, but you can't tell me it's a coincidence that you're looking for somebody with that name and 15 minutes later he shoots up to school to school should have been put in lockdown the moment they went looking for him you said there was a pattern with this particular student that even your daughter noticed. Can you tell us and the viewers about that pattern from what my daughter told me. He comes to class and he'll sign out to use the bathroom, but not take the past and he'll leave class and sometimes he'll come back and sometimes he won't and today that's what he did. He he was there when she got in class and then he went and signed out and said he was going to the bathroom but didn't take the past and left the classroom and a little bit later that's when he started shooting you took this so seriously that when your daughter calls you, you got on the road immediately. Tell me about driving here. What was running through your mind, how fast you got here i live probably about seven minutes from the school. I got here and about like i think about two minutes. I don't know. Everything was just flying i pretty much i spent the whole way here when i got here, there was only two cop cars here and that's the cops that work here. So i'm glad your daughter's okay. Thank you. Kaitlan, obviously, there are some mixed emotions and police officers are trying to figure out exactly what the steps are. We know they're reviewing surveillance video. So as this goes on, parents do have some serious questions about how today played out yeah. Understandably. Ryan. Thank you for being there. Please tell rebecca we said thank you for also joining us. Thank you. So night. I also i want to speak to someone tonight who knows all too well what what people like rebecca and her daughter are feeling and that is david hogg who cofounded march for our lives after the 2018 mass shooting at his school in parkland, florida. Most recently, he cofounded a pac called leaders because we deserve to help elect young progressives. And, you david just to be in this moment, again, as we were saying, the 45th school shooting just this year alone in the united states and the sheriff that we heard from tonight earlier, i was listening to him any said he was shocked that this happened in his community and i get what he's saying. It's jarring to have this happen in your hometown, in your home. But you of all people know that it's unfortunately not that surprising yeah, unfortunately it's it's happening in every community pointed it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when until we come together and do something about this. And i'm just really sick and tired of the hatred and the division in the debate over and over about all this stuff and us not focusing on what we can agree on after uvalde, many people said that it wasn't going to be possible for us to change any gun laws, but for once congress actually did something, we expanded background checks for people under the age of 21 attempting to buy a gun. And we put billions of dollars in school safety programs and community safety programs. And obviously that was nowhere near enough, given that i'm talking to you right now, but we have made progress on this over 800 highrisk individuals have been stopped from buying guns like ar $0. 15 uvalde because the passage of that law, we have so, so much more work to do, but point i really want to come back to is we know that this is a very divisive issue. We know as a country that we have very strong opinions on both sides of this issue. But ultimately, we all well agree that nobody wants to see these school shootings continue and nobody wants to see gun violence continue. I think it's time that our leaders have a real conversation about what can we agree on moving forward so that these stories, these school shootings can be left in our history books and not in our headlines. Well, and everyone remembers how you and your classmates, after several of your classmates were murdered in 2018, went to lawmakers in florida, went to the governor, rick scott, pushing them on this very issue. I wonder given that we saw governor kemp, their brian kemp, they're also speaking to reporters tonight. What would you what would your message be to lawmakers in georgia this evening i mean, like there's obviously a lot of republicans and georgia, there's a lot of democrats to my message would be to put politics aside. We heard the sheriff talking earlier about the importance of not politicizing this moment. I think what it looks like to politicize this moment is frankly doing the same thing that we've always done, which is nothing right? nobody wants these shootings can you what i would urge those lawmakers to do is do something potentially like a special session in georgia and have some real conversations not out in public between lawmakers where there in the public sphere and they need out there guards up a lot of the time, especially republicans because they don't want to be seen talking to democrats about this, but have a real conversation behind closed doors and figure out what you can agree on. The move forward in florida, we raised the age to buy a gun to 21 and we passed red flag law obviously, there's work that needs to be done as we find out more details about this incident to make sure that we're passing things like child access prevention laws to make sure that parents whose child is able to access a gun that is owned by parent and go and do something i'm like this that they're held accountable. This is child endangerment for like period is nothing more than that and that's what i've encouraged those lawmakers to do is have a real conversation and more than that though, i would encourage the voters of georgia, i would encourage young people across this country and people of all ages to make sure that we aren't just sending our thoughts and prayers, but remembering that it's about action, we need to do more to address this issue and come together as americans to address this and acknowledge the fact that we're always gonna have disagreements. Why don't we come together and focus on what we can agree on it and move forward on that because none of us want to see that this violence continue yeah. David hall. Thank you for joining me tonight absolutely we're also following some breaking news in the political role tonight after liz cheney, who went from being one of the most, from one of the most conservative families in america who served in house republican leadership kept before she was abruptly removed from that post, has now said that she is voting who she is voting for in this election. And it is not a republican this is your team you have the right set of individuals take us to the next level hard knocks training camp with the chicago bears, streaming exclusively on max. This guy can't shoot. He's got we got how do you sleep at night on a mattress from mattress firm. 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Are you go get you pressure, and improve hearthealthy, rushed a walmart and find total bsw tv on the edge from airs sunday, september 22, did nine on cnn the politics of guns and gun control are likely to play out on the campaign trail perhaps as well at the debate that is now going to have been just six days from now. Tonight, vice president harris picked up a new voter and notable one, given it is a lifelong republican who was once a member of house leadership don't believe that we have the luxury of writing in candidates names, particularly in swing states and as a conservative, as someone who believes in and cares about the constitution i have thought deeply about this and because of the danger that donald trump poses not only am i not voting for donald trump, but i will be voting for kamala harris in the room erupting into cheers after you heard the former wyoming congresswoman liz cheney making that announcement at duke university in this swing state of north carolina tonight. And when that in the last 24 hours, harris has picked up support from not just to cheney, but also a mccain two of the biggest family names in republican politics over for the last several decades. The one and only dana bash is here with me who is also the author of her new book, america's deadliest election. And i want to talk about the book in a moment. But, but what is it like for you, someone who has covered politics been on the hill to see liz cheney coming out and saying, i'm voting for a democrat and i covered the bushcheney white house if you would have told me that anybody related to vice president cheney would be voting for a democrat. I would have told you to have your head examined but it's just the latest data point in the fact that this is not the same republican you can party that dick cheney grew up in and that he served in. Obviously, we know that it's not the same republican party that liz cheney served in because she had to leave and she was effectively kicked out of the leadership and same goes for john mccain. It is just a completely different world and with each of these big decisions that people like liz cheney and you heard her say, i am a conservative, it's not like she has changed her politics. She's still believes in many, many things that are very different and an odds with what kamala harris agrees supports but they agree on one thing and that is they believed donald trump is a threat to democracy. Well, and i think somebody people are watching something like that. It due tonight and saying, what are remarkable election that we're living through and nothing's ever happened like this, which i think is true but but in your new book, which is fascinating on america because deadliest election, it follows this contentious election in 18, 72 and louisiana, i think a lot of people, i certainly certainly nor had never had no idea what happened this and people's sort of say, oh, america's deadliest election. Are we talking about 20:20? oh, no what happened in 2020 and into 2021 was horrific and tragic what happened in 18, 72 was a series of riots of absolute chaos total ground option, real corruption, fraud, and violence against specifically against black americans who were now. This was during the reconstruction era finally able to vote and the segregationists in the south realized that the way to keep blacks from gaining power and gaming more status in society was to keep them from voting. And it really started there. And there was a massacre called the colfax massacre that happened during this election after there was absolutely no way to tell who won the governor's race, who won the legislature, because everything was so compromise and hundred and 50 black men were murdered in cold blood and all they were trying to do was trying to find a way to get their votes counted after this crazy election the way that they tried to find justice for these people who were murdered was to go through the federal judicial system it went all the way up to the supreme court. The supreme court decided to really important decision called cruikshank and what they decided was it would be the state government that would be determining civil rights, including election rights, and not the federal government. And that ushered in the jim crow laws. For 100 years in this country. And it started with this election in 18, 72 yeah. And obviously i'm from neighboring alabama. I mean, learning about that growing up in and the impact that that had on so many people still live. And it's seeing how voting change. But when you, when you were researching this and writing this book what parallels did you see between, you what was happening in the 1870s with what we are witnessing right now. Will there are so many, and this really kind of blew my mind that if you fast forward to 18, 76, where there were the same corruption and fraud issues and disenfranchise disenfranchisement of black voters it was so bad that for states had to congress had to throw out for state's electoral slates because it was such a mass you couldn't tell who really won. And there was a debate then kaitlan, you'll appreciate this about whether the vice president had a role in actually deciding which electoral slate would be admitted, or whether it was ceremonial. And they decided it was ceremonial. Wow. That had already been determined 100 years, more than 100 years earlier, also the main character in this book, who was the governor of louisiana who? was very charismatic, has a lot of traits that you will find quite familiar. He was somebody who had people who loved to love him and loved to hate him. He was very open about changing the rules if it suited him, and about doing whatever it took to stay in power are there lots of similarities between those two have you sent a signed copy to maralago yet its it's on its way that a bash great to have you, the book is america's deadliest election. It's great. Everyone should read it and a reminder that cnn will have complete coverage and exclusive analysis before and after during that debate that i was mentioning abc news presidential debates simulcast right here, tuesday, 9:00 p. M. Eastern on cnn up next the u. 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S elections according to a new indictment, this time, the kremlin's influence, operation allegedly included funneling money and propaganda directly into the hands of some of the most prominent voices and right wing media cnn has confirmed tonight that the nearly $10 million went to tenant media. And among the commentators, there are podcasters. You might be familiar with benny johnson and tim pool. Both of them have milk millions of subscribers on youtube and other social media platforms and in fact, some of the same narratives that the kremlin was pushing came up when pool interviewed donald trump just in may it's kind of scary to think about, but you take a look at the weakness we have now with ukraine. And the money that we are wasting would look at ukraine we're giving all of this money a europe which is much more affected by that war than us, is spending just a tiny fraction of what we're spending. And you say does anybody at least get in well done this? but more importantly, i will end that war. I'll get it ended. Putin respects me i should note johnson and pool both say tonight that they maintained control of their content and say that they were victims of the alleged scheme. My next guest met facetoface with putin on this very issue. Back in 2018, where he delivered this message is a lesson i think. Don't mess with american elections at the time, at the time and bess are john bolton was donald trump's national security adviser, ambassador bolton, it's great to have you because, you know, when you look at this indictment and the part about this and the money that they were allegedly funneling to this nashville tennessee based media group in 2016 it was a troll farm posing as americans and grassroots activist. What do you make of the allegations in this indictment that the kremlin is now trying to use actual american influences, weather influencers. Whether it was to their knowledge or not well, it's not at all surprising if anything surprising is that they weren't doing it earlier if you go back just a little bit in history, the 1940s and 1950s, the communist soviet union realize that hollywood had a big influence on american opinion so taking control of the studios getting their kinds of actors and scriptwriters in was a major communist effort to infiltrate hollywood. And a few people stood up to it, like ronald reagan, union man, head of the screen actors guild to push that back. So this idea of influencing influencers from russia, it's in their playbook and i'm not at all surprised they're doing it in this election and probably others that we haven't uncovered yet. Well, maybe some people watching are not familiar with people like benny johnson and tim pool, but but they do have millions of subscribers on youtube, on social media platforms obviously a, you just saw that one of them interviewed donald trump in may republicans lawmakers go and speak to them are quote them on twitter and whatnot. I just want it made us think about what the republican intelligence chair, mike turner republican house intel chair mike turner had to say back in april about this we see directly coming from russia attempts to mask communications that are antiukraine and prorussia messages, some of which we even hear being uttered on the house floor i mean, how successful do you believe russia has been influencing republicans on issues like ukraine well again, to go back into russian history of vladimir lenin used to call people like that useful idiots. And there are a few useful idiots in congress today on the republican side and i'm sure the russians are trying to take advantage of it. It's really a twofer for russians are others trying this kind kind of influencing one i think they do want donald trump to be president because unlike trump's opinion of his relationship with putin, putin thinks trump is an easy mark, so he, he'd be happy to deal with him. But it has a secondary and perhaps even more significant effect. Because this kind of propaganda undercuts americans faith in their own institutions. And it turns americans against each other. People who hate donald trump will now say more russian interference. We knew it was true all along and diehard trump supporters will say they've politicized the justice department again and here's another prosecution of poor people just trying to help donald trump out this sewing of discontent, distrust is very significant. Yeah. And you see people who now doubt what we read an indictment like today, i got to ask you about something else because back in april, you are sitting here with me on this show. You told me that you were riding in dick cheney for the election you're not voting for your former boss, donald trump. You heard liz cheney say today that she's voting for harris despite being conservative. And she said that it is important for people to recognize not only as what i've said about the danger that trump poses something that should prevent people from voting for him. But i don't believe we have the luxury of writing in candidates names does that change your opinion at all? certainly not. You know, i was coming under pressure not to vote for dick cheney, to vote for liz, but i guess with her comments today, maybe i'll just stick with cheney. It's not a luxury to be able to write in somebody other than the two major party candidates. It's important, it's a protest vote. I understand my vote. Will not elect a president that has no chance to. But in maryland where i live, i have no chance to affect the electoral college outcome there. Anyway, and i am not going to vote for anybody with whom i have a principled disagreement or think they're not fit to be president it's a sad commentary on our political process that we've got to such inadequate candidates now and i don't agree with the idea that somehow the constitution is such a piece of week paper that donald trump is a threat to it. Donald trump will cause a lot of damage if he's elected in a second term. He is not an existential threat to american democracy. If you really think that you must think this country isn't worth much, because we've gone 235 years. But this constitution, we've survived a lot worse than donald trump. And this kind of comment undercuts those who are trying to see trump put in his place out, of course there certainly people who feel that way. Ambassador john bolton, thank you for joining us tonight thank you. And thank you all so much for joining us on this busy hour, cnn newsnight with abby phillip starts now tonight, violence visits another