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Sara fischer. Thank you. So much and any thank you all for watching Anderson Cooper 360 starts right now tonight on 360, his Campaign Calls it trump on steroids and says its all Hands On Deck as the former president kicks off a new blitz through battleground states starting today in michigan also tonight, my conversation with former Trump National security adviser, hr mcmaster about his new book, the complex portrait he paints of his old boss and whether he would ever work. In a Trump White House. Again for a special counsel jack smith points a finger at the judge who dismiss the classified documents case. As he asd, a higher court to revive it. Gd evening. Thanks for joining us. Again tonight with what might be described as the first day of the rest of don trumps campaign. It follows a week largely dominated by the Democratic Convention in several weeks, abuzz surrounding his new opponents. Now, were told to expect him to hold multiple events a week and visit two states a day today began at Arlington National cemetery where he honored the 13 american troops killed in a Suicide Bombing three years ago during the chaotic pullout from afghanistan. Speaking later in a social media posting and then a detroit he incorporated todays anniversary into his campaign. Vice president kamala bragg that she was the last person in the room. She was the tough ones. She was the last person in the robe during that disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan Decision caused by Kamala Harris, joe biden, the milesian and afghanistan, said off the collapse of american credibility and respect All Around The World the former president also said he thinks the country is closer now to World War Iii than ever. He called for the establishment of a Space National guard to complement the space force. He launched his president and repeated past exaggerations about the military being in his words, out of ammunition. He also secured the endorsement is expected to former hawaii and Tulsi Gabbard, who was helping him prepare for him his first debate with Vice President harris. If in fact that comes to pass because the two sides seem to be debating the rules of it. At the moment, seem incursion. Thomas is traveling with Trump Campaign. She joins us, excuse me, kristen holmes. She joins us now from detroit with new reporting on the debate and more person im sorry, its been a long couple of weeks. So theres been a lot of backandforth starting the mics for the september debate. Where does this now stand the two sides appear to be at an impasse. So heres what we know when the original debate was between President Joe Biden and donald trump, they agreed to the same rules. They agreed to with the cnn debate, which was that the mic would be muted when the other candidate was speaking im trumps team thought that that debate went well, that first debate with cnn and they want to mimic those results. Kamala harris is team is saying, well, new candidate and new debate rolls. We dont want those mics muted. I do want to stress here that a lot of this is posturing as well as them trying to position their candidate on both sides in the best right now, Donald Trumps seem to a little bit step on the argument that his campaign was trying to make about keeping those rules the same. Take a listen to what he said when he was in virginia earlier today i dont know. Doesnt matter to me. Id rather have it probably on, but the agreement was that it would be the same as it was last time one thing to be clear here about Kamala Harris, donald trump, three weeks ago when Kamala Harris was moved to the top of the ticket and donald trump seem to backfire away from the debate overall, Kamala Harris was saying, wait, you cant do that. You already agreed to this debate in these terms, doesnt matter who the candidate is and Donald Trumps seem was saying no, everything has changed. Now, the two of them have swapped roles. Kamala harris is saying everything has changed. There are new rules and Donald Trumps team is saying, we want it to be the same to what we agreed to with President Joe Biden. Again, a lot of this is posturing. We will obviously see how this plays out. The big question is what this means for september 10. And will they both actually be on the stage . Hes also obviously been bashing abc news, which is the site for the debate, will see what, are you hearing from the trump team regarding the former president s campaign . Scheduled for the weeks ahead so i want to be very clear about one thing. Yes. Donald trumps team is saying that they are going to ramp up their campaign. That is going to be donald trump on steroids, that its going to be multiple stops in a day. But we have to include the caveat that we have heard this before at multiple times during this campaign that he was going to ramp it up, that he would hes going to change his posture and yet we havent really seen that now this week has been a little bit different. He still does have to down days tuesday and wednesday. Hes going to be in florida, but he is visiting many battlegrounds days. Horse he was in michigan today is going to be back in michigan next week its also going to be holding this town hall in wisconsin. They actually just send out a notification saying Tulsi Gabbard was going to be the moderator. I think that event is one to watch. And heres why we know that donald trump has had a hard time getting its voting now, the Kamala Harris at the top of the ticket, so they are trying different kinds of events. Saw last week, it was a series of what they call messaging events, which meant smaller crowds, smaller venues. One topic, donald trump often doesnt stay on that one topic, but it was shorter speeches, not this kind of all over the place, ranting type of rally speech. Now theyre trying this town hall. It is not being mediated overall by a news network the way they normally are. Cnn, fox news is doing another one with him and other day is just being done by Tulsi Gabbard. Well see if that is a way for him to get his messaging to voters. And then therell be in pennsylvania on friday, well see what happens week after that. I always have to caveat it, anderson, because again, weve heard this before that hes going to ramp it up and then it kind of goes back to the slower pace. Well see what happens in the coming weeks. Or kristen holmes, thanks so much joining us is ashley etienne, former Communications Director for the Vice President , also trump 2016, about deputy Communications Director bryan lanza and cnn political commentator alyssa far griffin. Alyssa, the Harris Campaign, obviously things keeping the mics are hot at the debate would be to their benefit. Do you agree yeah and. It, shows how much the joe biden calculations are different from Kamala Harriss Kamala Harris is a confident debater. Shes a former prosecutor, and i think theyre calculation as they want to see donald trump get a little unhinged. They want the American Public to hear if theres crosstalk, if theres namecalling, if theres some kind of, you know, goading her into something, will she has the floor this is a change from the rule that were agreed to, but i also think that Donald Trumps message on truth social about this is kind of laying a pretext to back out of the debate if he wants to, hes been going after the moderators. Hes been going after the rules because he knows this is a very different candidate than hes ever had to debate before. Shes the younger candidate. Shes got the momentum lets talk, we expected to be against. They can easily resolve this. The easy thing would be either keep the rules as they are and have a press pool in so that the American Public knows what set off air i dont see any reason the Harris Campaign backs out, but i think Donald Trumps keeping that door open. Brian, do you think he my backend . No. Theyre doing debates. Im not worried about that. I think its important to remember that donald trump debated Hillary Clinton in 2016 and everybody felt she had momentum and they felt she was a dimensional candidate and he, you know, the viewers, at least the voters ultimately thought he won those debates. So i think hes looking forward to it. I think from hayes, the standpoint is like listen, a deal is a deal was a deal you made the deal you wanted to see an end rules were doing the cnn rules on on abc. Fine. The harris debates said fine if thats the final state, now theyre coming back and wanted to change the rules and trump being a businessman in his campaign been like a business, is looking for an opportunity to try to leverage a second debate, how important is it that you want these mics muted if you want the really muted or if you want them unmuted well, lets get a second debate on nbc. I think this is all just a strategy to try to get more debates and thats a good thing. Ashley a. Do you think the Trump Campaign actually wants more debates and why do you think the Harris Campaign wants to change the rules around the microphone said their mics will be on. Absolutely not. He doesnt he doesnt want it would crumble here is he doesnt want more than one debate with her. Thats why you to alyssas point, he trying to we get out of this one. He definitely doesnt want a second. Heres the thing. The one thing, you know, his ego could not take is to be beaten by a woman and what i do know about Kamala Harris is a couple of things. One, she suffers absolutely no fools to. Shes not making the same mistakes that democrats have historically made shes not going to pull any punches about his record and shes going to lean into her own. And the third thing is this splitscreen will really say the entire story. Well tell the entire story. Youll have one guy who look old, angry, and small up against the woman who looks like the very promise of america. So i dont think donald trump really wants it. Will Kamala Harris, thats why he keeps trying to back out of this thing and make Making Excuse after excuse after excuse. And based on what i know about her, i wouldnt want to debate her either. Alyssa, the Harris Campaign put out this video today in response to the foreign president. Apparently waffling on, on the debate. I just want to play this but why not debate her mole. But because they already know everything trumps, you know, not doing the debate thats something now, i mean, right now i say, why should i do a debate of leading in the polls and Everybody Knows who Everybody Knows me and so they put a Chicken Sound over this. I bring this up just because its notable how quicker the Harris Campaign is to put out videos like this. And i mean not that i dont think the Biden Campaign probably would have put out a thought to put out a video like this. But how quickly they put out Something Like this. I dont know but its effective or not, but videos, memes, this is a campaign that seems for more nimble, even though a lot of the same people are involved with it yeah, in Donald Trumps never run against a Campaign Like this. In fact, his team was always the one that was a lot quicker on social media. They would kind of play into the memories and has fast responses and hes met his match in this now to be fair to trump in these debates, listen, in 2016, he went against a very formidable foe with Hillary Clinton, and he performed well in those debates. And obviously one, but this is different. Keep in mind this election. Hes running against an effective communicator as a former president postjanuary six, who is now a felon. Theres things hes going to have to answer for in this debate. That are so fundamentally different than 2016 where he had no record and he can just give a vision and an idea of what he wanted. And i think hes afraid of that. We never really saw that moment in the biden trump debate, where he was called out on his history of sexual abuse or the fact that he had these Felony Convictions and i think thats something that hes really dreading. Thing having to face brian. I want to play some of what the former president said today when asked if he was preparing for a debate with harris im not spending a lot of time on it. I think my whole life ive been preparing for a debate you can go in and you can have all sorts of sessions. I watched they probably go in as they work so hard for weeks and still locked himself into a lockdown. And then he developed lockjaw. He couldnt win the state you have to be real there. You cant Cram Knowledge into your head for 30 years of knowledge and one week. So, you know, theres a little debate prep but ive always done it more or less the same way and you have to know your subject. And i think i know my subject. I think i know it better than anybody its i mean, it is interesting his approach to debates. I mean, there have been some whove said, well, look, i you know, he prepares more than he says in that may be the case. But he definitely i mean, if you look at his debates over the years he says you have to be yourself and he, whether you like it or not he is that in these debates he shows himself, he shows who he is again, whether thats a good thing or not. Yeah. Listen with respect to the bates, i mean, you have to remember donald trump is very comfortable with the skin. Hes very comfortable taking risks that he has been in the camera for a heck of a long time. So lets as a very safe space for him. I mean, he is an effective communicator. Leases always felt he has been in these this campaigns best communicator. So its, its he he overperforms in debates from may traditional republican operative standpoint. Ill always, always nervous when he does these debates. I always felt that he didnt do as well as he should have done. And then you sort of look at the polling in a couple of days later after it stabilizes the turnout, he did. Okay. Its just hes just different at debates. I mean, he decimated hillary. He didnt do so well against biden. Hillary is exponentially stronger, more debater than than homeless Kamala Harris that to hear the Kamala Harris is an excellent communicator. I think thats a joke at this point. Shes literally a voting every possible Press Opportunity in existence. So she doesnt have to communicate her message to the people. So i mean, i think were ready for the bates. We want more what for someone who is a joke. I mean, its just simply seems to have the Trump Campaign freaked out and try and so, you know, sweat it out or sweating it out right now. But again, i hear your point about not doing doing interviews. She has not done a sit down formal sit down interview, and obviously, i think she said that they will do that by the end of this month well see about that nothing is scheduled by the way, until a couple of days. Yeah. Well, we shall see everyone stick around. Were gonna have more coming up next were station with former Trump National security adviser, hr mcmaster, including about todays solemn anniversary and how a shift in the former president s afghan and strategy in the words of mcmaster and his books, set the stage for the humiliating pullout that the Biden Administration executed in afghanistan later, what to make of jack smiths chances for reviving the classroom . By documents, case and the case hes making for it with the 11th Circuit Court of appeals have i got news for you is coming to cnn this fall pros and cons less pro, hosted by roy wood junior row with amber ruffin would likely in black, right. 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Plus, get a new Google Pixel 9 on us. Bring on the good stuff. And get paid when you say im pete muntean at Reagan National airport, this is cnn as we noted the top of the broadcast today marks the third Year Anniversary since the Suicide Bombing at abbey gate in afghanistan. These 13 American Service members were killed on that day. The former president talks about it on the Campaign Trail in michigan, speaking to a meeting of the National Guard association, detroit, he promised a fire every senior official responsible he did not. Whoever invoked President Truman Firing General Mcarthur or president lincoln relieving General Mcclellan said he invoked himself and his old reality show the voters are going to fire camila and joe on november 5. We hope and when i take off as well ask whether resignations of every single official well get the resignations of every single senior official who touched the afghanistan calamity to be on my desk at noon on inauguration day, you have to fire people. To fire people and they do a bad job. We never fire anybody he had a firearm like on the apprentice, you have fired yet, did lousy job joining us now is retired Army Lieutenant general h. Mcmaster, who served as the former prisoners National Security adviser from 2017 through 2018, his new book on his time in the white house is at war with ourselves. My tour of duty in the Trump White House, mcmaster, thanks for being with us in the midst of the book. And im really enjoying it you right he says you got to fire everybody who touched this policy as you write in the book, he touched this policy. He had a lot of hands on it. You write in the book, trump establish the first sound longterm lowcost strategy for afghanistan and south asia, but then abandon that strategy and replicated the obama policy of Negotiating Withdrawal Timeline with a terrorist organization and setting the stage for the Biden Administrations humility, Humiliating Retreat From Kabul in august 2021, you were out of the white house at the time that this was done, you write that you quote, watched with Incredulous Incredulity and revulsion as he directed an envoy to negotiate withdrawal with the taliban, you would not have advised him to do it . Absolutely. And i advise him to do quite the opposite of that in the runup to what was his decision in august of 2017. And i tell that story in detail on the book about how it really trump made the tough decision and made. I think what was the best available decision and put into place in 2017 . The first sustained it will resend approach to afghanistan the war. But by that point, had not been a sixteenyear war. It had been a oneyear war, floods 16 years, 16 times over. But you know, interest and he couldnt stick with the decision. He didnt stick with the decision. And i think people were in his ear and manipulated him into with these mantras end the endless wars and afghanistans or greater have you heard of empires and so forth. And so when he is critical of the Biden Administrations withdrawal which i guess the Biden Ministration could have not gone along with the deal that was made. Biden did push back the trump had said a guarantee withdrawal date may 1, biden pushed it back to august. Trump had cut troop levels down drastically, even though the taliban was still attacking the taliban had allowed terrorist organizations, again to have a home in their government, in their country but trump had his hand on i mean, does trump bear part of the responsibility for what happened . Oh, yes. I mean, the whole premise of talking to the taliban before you leave afghanistan. Why the heck were even doing that . He was going to invite them to camp david. Right. Even though obama administration, when they made the mistake of pulling all of our troops out of iraq in 2010, which really set conditions for the rise of i. S. I. S. And so forth by 2014, the obama attrition didnt negotiate with alqaeda in iraq on the way out and so if we were going to leave what it just leave what happened in these series of negotiations and concessions to the taliban is we got through the afghans under the bus on the way out. They cut the african government out of those negotiations. Salute. So that was mistake one then forced him to release 5,000 of some of the most heinous people on earth and then began trying force the Afghan Government to release 5,000 taliban, correct. And then also stopped the active targeting the tel ban, which President Trump again to his credit in 2017, had restored because he was convinced to how the heck does this make any sense to give your enemy a timeline for your withdrawal and then sued. Now im going to negotiate a Favorable Senate settlement. I mean, so wed raises the question about the atmosphere within the white house, which you write a lot about the portrait you paint of dysfunction in the white house from a management perspective. Its pretty alarming. You say trump pitted people against each other instead of building collaborative teams, you say it was an administration at war with itself do you have any reason to believe that if theres another trump administration, that it would be any different because it doesnt i mean that doesnt that tone get set by the commanderinchief. As historian to anderson, i realized that that was not unprecedented, right. So one of the things that gave me solace as always in that position was that thing about the first reagan administration, how tumultuous that was. And so i knew that this was really nothing new that it happened its an all administrations but in the trump administration, i think everything was magnified in the one of the things you should said thats its got a lot of pickup. You told your wife after over a year in the job. I cannot understand putins hold on. Trump but in the book towards the end of the book you actually provide some insight may be on why the former president does seem to seek the praise and approval strong menu, right . I came to see trumps embrace of dueterte, who has that point was the kind of strong man leading the philippines and his braiding of me as connected to his struggle for selfworth. If he was accepted by strong men like Dueterte Putin and xi, he might convince others and especially himself that he was strong. Thats really interesting. Well, i think youve had some time to reflect on it and im trying to explain really the strength in some of the aspects of the presence character, but also the vulnerabilities. And of course, at times i was reluctant to write. So this i thought, i dont want to give if hes reelected kind of a playbook of how you can maybe manipulate leader knows. I mean, every reporter who interviewed trump knows. I mean, i learned this early on back in the first round. Hes the most susceptible to flattery of any public figure. Ive ever interviewed. And i think every world leader those this, right. I mean, you compliment trump in an interview you can then ask several questions which are aggressive, that he wont get as annoyed by because youve complimented the size of his crowds or whatever, right . Yeah. So what i what i hope is the president will learn from his First Experience understand vladimir putin, for example, will never be his friend. He has real friends among our allies who you ought to value higher. Bio, those relationships i are and to recognize once again, as he did and i tell the story in the book about how prison to trump came to the conclusion that we needed to punish russia to inflict costs its on russia beyond the cost that they consider when they, when they act aggressively against us and our allies. And so in that first year of the trump administration, he puts more sanctions on russian entities and individuals than the previous eight years of the obama administration. He closes to console, is he expels scores of of russia undeclared agents. Although the same time was upset that you werent with us, wasnt expelling as many people as russia was expelling, right . And as the europeans were expelling, that made them angry because what he would often say is, id like the word reciprocal, right . He wants others to do the same level anything that were doing you, you write that you said that you hope he has has changed and learn. Do you know a lot of 78yearold like billionaires are alleged billionaires who have really have a big evolutions at age 78 no, probably not but but i do but i did see him learn and adapt and evolve his understanding of central people do often say to you, does he listen, does he yes, he does but oftentimes when he does come to what i think is a really solid conclusion based on talking to a wide range of people getting a wide range of views oftentimes he can hang on to that decision. And then your policy becomes unmoored. Well, thats the knock on him. And what has been welldocumented is that he listened to the last person who was in the room. So you can convince them of something and hell back something you say, and then you just y, he talks to a wide range of a cast of characters who have access to him. Certainly these days in maralago or elsewhere and he comes around to a different understanding thats got to be somebody whos National Security adviser. Thats got to be i dont know if terrifying is the right word or frustrates frustrating and the very least, well, the key for me was i saw myself and this is one of the titles and one of the chapters. As a guardian of his independence of judgment, i wasnt there to manipulate him decisions or to feed him the information i think might lead him to a particular course of action i was there to give him best analysis and multiple options. And thats one of the lessons i learned from studying vietnam. I want to play some of what other highranking Military Officials have said about the foreign president after working with him we dont take an oath to a king or queen or a tyrant, or a dictator. And we dont take an oath to a wannabe dictator. We dont take an oath to an individual we take an oath to the constitution. I think hes unfit for office. Look, its he, he puts himself before country is actions are all about him and not about, not about the country. I think he hes dangerous enough. He shouldnt get a second term bolton succeeded you as a National Security, one of the many wanted, but a general kelly, i mean, has painted a really brutal i mean, very damaging descriptions of things that he says, the president then president has said to him about wounded troops, troops who have Service Members who have laid down their life for this country, calling them losers and suckers. Do you believe general kelly that trump said those things . Well, i wasnt there. Anderson, i was gone by that time. It sounded out of character to me. Id never heard the prison say anything like that, that bad. Well, you did hear my criticized john mccain, who was very horse show. It was a dear friend of mine he denigrated the people who absolutely are reasonable he the president is quite often very offensive. Brash says things that are outlandish i relate a lot of those in the book but hes extremely disruptive person. I saw it as my job not to try to constrain him, but to help him disrupted what needed to be disrupted, would you work to Trump White House again . No. I think anderson i will work in any ministration where i feel like i can make a difference, but im kinda used up with donald trump. Would you work in a Harris Administration . Well, i think i dont know if i would be affected. Theyre either based on probably by different Points Of View and what is a sensible policy toward the middle east or really fill in the blank, but but anywhere i could make such approach to serve, what are the themes and at war with ourselves as heck, yeah, we are at war with ourselves. Thats not only bad for our psyche, its bad for governance its bad for our country. And i hope that young people, if they read this book, will feel a call to serve because the tone in the book is not one of you is that was such a hard i mean, it was a privilege to serve in the complex portrayal and theres a lot of stuff you liked about what went on. The ministration and youre also very honest about the things that you saw disappointing it gentlemen master. I really appreciate your time. Thanks, anderson. Great to be with you. The book again at war with ourselves. My tour duty in the Trump White House is going to be available tomorrow. Its a great read up. Next, Vice President harris said shed do an interview by the end of the month, still nothing confirmed as of yet. Ill get the panels take on that strategy. Its getting a lot of criticism by the former president and a lot of members of the media as well. Well be right back everything you want is right here the disney plus hulu max bundle absolutely. Go. 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What the master terms selfworth by embracing dictators and strong men and wanted yesmen around him whom mcmaster says he pitted against each other instead of building collaborative teams back now with our panel, alyssa, does the white house that mcmaster describe correspond to the white house you worked in . Listen, i have tremendous respect for Lieutenant General mcmaster. We barely overlapped in the white house, but there was a level of perhaps it was different much earlier on where i wish i had the optimism he does of what a second trump term would be like. He mentioned, he takes a wide array of advice from National Security advisors around him that often wasnt my experience and i worry about a second term. It also matters who is in the administration, who staffing the west wing, who staffing the Department Of Defense listen, there are certainly policies that i agree with donald trump on. I think hr mcmaster would agree how he handled iran. Thats something i can agree with. But the commitments to not supporting ukraine, to letting russia to invade nato. Theres a reason that myself, mark milley, mark esper, john bolton, have all warned that he is a danger, and his approach to National Security completely understand, undermine americas standing in the world brian, what do you make a mcmaster saying trump wants yes, men around him and he talks about how susceptible he is, to flattery and i dont know if idealized a strong men or sort of kind of want strong men to like him because of his selfesteem listen, im not a shrink. I dont think week masters is even though hes tried to play one in his book and i always common its funny how these people sell a book and then they tried to give a positive common ant and negative comment in this trumps space its about the way throughout his book is both positive, negative. Hes probably of all the people hes not, this is not like a Molotov Cocktails at the Trump White House. Just, you know, yeah. Yeah. He punches any any covers. He doesnt really well but i would say this. Youre trump. Trump very much likes having i wouldnt say yes, people around him, but people who are affirming his position he wants to sort of offer some criticism, but ultimately, he lands. I know what a yes man. No, listen, my my experience with trump is ive gotten into the room and you during the campaign, certainly not what hes been in office. Im not going to apply that. But when ive got in the room, i said, sir, heres the mistake, icy, its taking place here gonna be the consequences. This is why i would recommend not going down this route. And he was very he was very accepting of changing positions. I think we can count many of times in his administration where hes changed positions, that goes to the sort point of mcmasters is whether we like it or not, hes openminded, almost two openminded, some my good friend, Anthony Scaramucci would call it transactional, but yeah, it is easy to move the president since position from time to time. Its new, cant move his position related to china because he very much feels that the trade, the trading parameters, even there. Yeah, well, tiktok, anyway ashley, i want to play something that Vice President harris said a couple of weeks ago and get your thoughts theres been a lot of questions about when youre going to sit down for your first interview since being the nominee i talked to my team. I want us to get an interview scheduled for the end of the month its now the last week of august, not scheduled yet as far as as far as we know, do you think its going to happen and do you think she needs to yeah. I mean, i definitely think its going to happen, but i really honestly believed that this is much ado about nothing. I dont think the Average American really cares about whether or not she sits down with, you know, with an anchor to do a big interview this is just sort of Beltway Chatter and its more than anything else is a deflection. I mean, heres the heres what really matters. 75 days out from an election. Its the money, the infrastructure in the message. And thats where donald trump is losing on all three. So this is a desperate attempt for him to turn a page. Shes shes raised three times the amount of money that he has you know, he the republican parties, State Parties are broke. They cant get volunteers. Shes in a matter of weeks, got 200,000 volunteers on the books. In addition to that, shes winning on each one of the mess suge front, crime is down, inflation is down, Border Crossing is down. So really thats what hes trying to do is deflect from that what really matters at this point of the election and hes losing on all of those fronts. Alyssa, let me ask you this this kind of big picture question. Has trump changed the game for president ial races forever . I mean, because it seems to me the Harris Campaign probably wisely from a political sense, is taking a lot of like the tricks from the Trump Campaign and using it to their advantage. I mean not immediately doing a sitdown interview. Trumps does plenty of sitdown interviews, but by enlarge, he beryls his way through them and lies repeatedly through them thumb and there you know, theyre kind they end up being not really much of anything other than a performative piece for him a lot of the kind of things that trump has done, it seems like the Harris Campaign theyre not repeating exactly, but theyve learned from, and im and i wonder if its, you know, shes getting some criticism for not doing as it down, but i understand the strategy behind it. Yeah, listen, hes completely rewritten the rules are running a campaign. I think its a direct result of trump that you had someone like bob menendez who is under criminal indictment and refused to resign for a period of time because we just dont operate the way that we used to, but more specifically to harris. I think that there is so much built up around the idea of doing a Mainstream Network sit down interview, which trump does very rarely calling into fox news is very different than that hosting a Press Conference at one of his Country Clubs where he decides what reporters hes going to call on is very different than standing at the white house podium and taking any open question from anyone. What i do think shes making a mistake of his allowing the buildup to be there. So therell be such scrutiny over an interview. Shes gotta do it ahead of the debate. She should be gangling on the Campaign Trail, which it sounds like she is a bit, but she should be talking to her press she should we talk to the National Press daily ashley etienne, bryan lanza, as far griffin. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Just ahead. A florida judge appointed by trump toss the classified documents case out last month. 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Pretty simply anderson, hes saying judge cannon got the decision wrong last month when she dismissed this classified documents case against donald trump and his codefendants. And what jack smith is now urging the 11th Circuit Court of appeals to do is he wants them to overturn her decision, which would then allow the criminal case to move forward and specifically, what hes pointing two is really years of court decisions, including the 1974 case from the Supreme Court, usv nixon, where the Supreme Court did say that Attorneys General do have the power to appoint a special counsel. That is exactly the opposite of what judge cannon ruled in mid midjuly at the time she said smiths appointment was unconstitutiona l . That his office was unlawfully funded. But doj is now arguing theyre saying, look, that decision was clearly wrong based on past precedent. But theyre also warning that if this decision is allowed to stand, it would effectively barr the Attorney General from really appointing any Deputy Positions are other positions at doj . Or even other heads of other agencies being able to appoint other officials so smiths argument has a lot of precedent behind it, and well see how the 11th circuit handles this and what happens next yeah. So the special counsel in the brief is asking for inperson arguments in the case before then well likely hear from trumps team arguing that candidate the right thing. Whats unclear is how quickly the 11th circuit might actually act or schedule anything. Of course, were just about what, eight plus weeks away from the election. And then theres that. If trump wins, he could ultimately get rid of this case. I will note deal 11th circuit. It does have a conservative tilt. However, they previously overruled, judge cannon. Just about two years ago when she decided to name a Special Master to review documents in this case. So this will be a case to watch anderson. Well see when the 11th circuit hears it, and then it could ultimately be appealed to the Supreme Court. Jessica schneider thanks very much more perspective from cnn, senior legal analyst, elie honig special counsel, make a good case here. I think jack smith is going to win this anderson. I dont like to do predictions, but i just read the brief and im convinced hes going to win. And heres why the argument that donald trump made is congress has to pass a specific law saying, we hereby create the position of special counsel in order for there to be a special counsel. But what jack smith argues, i think quite persuasively in his brief is there are four different laws where congress says, well, the Attorney General has very broad powers to delegate his authority to enlist other prosecutors and fbi agents to do the work that he needs done. And i think thats a powerful argument. And by the way, this same argument has been made to various other District Court judges and appeals, including in the malheur case and hunter biden case. And it has not succeeded. Judge cannon is the only one whos found this way. If if this is reverse, could smith tried to get cannon removed . So he could have asked in the brief that he filed today to have ive judge cannon removed, but he did not. Its very rare for doj to do that. We really i still say we doj, but we only do that in the rarest of circumstances that said, sometimes courts of appeals will remove a District Court judge on their own. Its extraordinarily rare. But if they reversed judge cannon here, thatll be twice. Jessica mentioned the other one that is a whole new playground there that is something that very rarely happens. So if they reverse her again, its possible in my mind they remove her as well that what the Appeals Court would remove the jack smith wouldnt have to Petition Tapper exactly. A lot of times when this does happen, the Appeals Court will do it on its own without even any of the parties asked. That would be i would imagine not great for her career. Oh, my gosh. It would be humiliating for her. It when it happens, it is a mark that stays with that, judge for a long time. The federal Appeals Courts are extremely reluctant to remove a district judge. They only do it where they feel like that judge cannot fairly continue on the case. And if the special counsel is allowed to proceed, i mean, to jessicas this is not going to happen before the election. Yeah. The timeline is blown up here. I mean, i dont think were going to even get a ruling from the 11th circuit before november that said i do. As i said in the beginning, i do think jack smiths going to win here and then its all going to depend on who wins the election. Because if trump wins, the federal cases, including this one, theyre out the door. If Kamala Harris wins, a. I. As soon as she would let it go forward. And that i think underscores the stakes here in this election for donald trump. I mean, if he wins these two cases and probably all four of them go away. If he loses, he is going to trial in all likelihood on one or two or both of the federal cases in just in the trumps attorneys in georgia in the Fani Willis Case had petitioned again to get her removed. Whats going yeah, that brief just came in about an hour ago. I just read through it. I actually think they have a very good chance. Donald trumps team of winning that case. And now were in georgia and the state case and winning the case in terms of getting her removed or is willing to kiss, winning the case outright and getting it thrown out. And heres why a lot of the focus has been on this conflict of interests fani willis had this relationship with another attorney on the case and they intermingled their finances. Im sure ive said to you, i never thought that was the issue. I think the issue is what trumps team hit on today, which is fani willis has made wildly inappropriate public outofcourt statements. And what trumps team focuses on in this brief is fani willis at one point went in front of a church with national tv cameras and said, the reason these defendants made this motion is racism you are polluting the jury pool when you do that and trumps team argues, and i think they have a good chance of winning. That. Thats misconduct and that requires dismissal of the indictment because it undermines the rights of the accused. They have the right to be presumed innocent. And if youre tainting the jury pool, its a big problem. 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The second reason is that tomorrows launch now comes with the knowledge that over the weekend, nasa selected spacex to help bring home two astronauts who cant return from the International Space station due to safety issues with their Boeing Starliner Spacecraft Cnn space and defense correspondent Kristin Fisher joins us now. So nasa announced the astronauts whove been stuck up at the International Space station are not going to get back until february 2025. How are they going to get back safely landers and its not on this spacecraft that got them in this space, boeing starliner, the first crewed test flight for this mission, it ran into so many issues, helium leaks problems with the thrusters, and so anderson over the weekend after weeks of testing, nasa official said, hey, weve learned our lesson from the challenger accident, from the columbia accident. Were going to put the astronaut safety first. And so rather than take any risks, they decided to keep those astronauts up at the Space Station until february in 2025 and hitch a ride back on a spacex crew dragon. So that means what was supposed to be an eightday mission is going to turn into about eight months up there for them. Is it true that some of the astronauts personal luggage, including their toiletries, didnt make it into space because i how could that have happened . I know. Yeah. So it turned out to be not the right thing to take off the spacecraft. They had too much weight to whats mass on the spacecraft when it launched. And they needed to get a critical piece up to the International Space station. The youre in recycling pump wasnt working literally bags of astronaut. Youre in were piling up up at the International Space station. And so in order to get this replacement pump up there, they put that inside the starliner spacecraft and took out two of the Astronauts Suitcases inside. All of your toiletries . I kind of want them if i were up there for well, i mean, these much less eight months i get it. Not wanting the bags of youre in are going to get maybe give them a break on that case, although i do think given that i travel a lot, i do think you should always just carry your toiletries in your carryon bag in case they lose your luggage little pro travel tip, tip so spacex has separate, Unrelated Mission scheduled to launch. What do we know about that flight well, it was actually just moments ago, delayed about 24 hours due to some issue with fueling on the ground that just took place. But when it does launch, anderson, this is going to be one of the most daring human spaceflight missions. In modern history. The worlds first commercial spacewalk, and its really cool here is spacex designed new spacesuits just for this mission, nasa has been trying to develop new spacesuits like this for about 40 years, spacex did it in about twoandahalf years. And ill let the missions commander, jared isaac men explain what they eventually hope that these spaces will be used for i think were all really confident having observed all this for the last couple of years that some iteration of it, fifth or sixth is going to be worn by Somebody Walking on mars him day in. And that just makes it even more of a privilege. It can be part of it and so in addition to the spacewalk anderson, one of the other things that this mission is going to be doing is these astronauts are going to be flying into the radiation belt. This is the first time that any humans have done this since the apollo astronauts back in the 1970s. So its a really risky mission. But all these astronauts say, you know, theyve been training for two years heres they think theyre ready. Amazing. Kristen fisher, thanks. The news continues