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Starts all right. Tonight, check your mute or dont. What the rigamarole of the debate is revealing about both candidates. Also tonight, jack smith throws a punch in one trump case, might be pulling another in a different case. Ill explain in a moment and voter fraud, Election Rapes the group who says its happening to them in texas. Tonight on Laura Coates Live so if anyone tells you that baseballs americas favorite past time, dont believe him to paraphrase dead pool. Yeah, of course. Have the movie. Theyre not lying. There making an educated wish. Turns out arguing actually is the real favorite for americans, you know, who is in full uniform team harris and team trump. They are arguing about the specifics of how theyre going to argue. I mean, how are you going to debate that sounds much more professional and designate how theyre going to debate and get this. They are debating about a microphone. Tap, tap specifically, whether to mute them when theyre not speaking we agreed to the same rules. I dont know. Doesnt matter to me. Id rather have it probably on, but the agreement was that it would be the same as it was last time that case. It was muted i didnt like it the last time, but it worked out fine worked out fine. What that is true. I mean, joe biden didnt fat drop out. But the time before you didnt want me to ban. All right. Gentlemen, was heavily president. You would have been much later joe jessica. Later, mr. President, what about 2 Million People youre not right . Well spare your ears. The supercut. But seeing that clip reinforces why the Harris Campaign is insisting on the mics been open. They want trump to say every single thing that comes to his mind. And was their Senior Advisor ian sams, quote, because thats what were going to get if he becomes president and quo. And if history is any guide, it may allow harris to do this he said because the president wanted people to remain calm well, lets go, but isnt, this isnt right. And i want to add mr. Vice president s speaking. I have im speaking. Lets talk about cpac in the court then. Lets talk about yet im about to 400,000 a year appeal to trump tax cut. Mr. Vice president , im speaking well im speaking, be important to if you dont mind letting me finish. We can have a conversation, okay. Please. Okay okay so, where are we . Well, the trump team is now using the word if when discussing the debate, talking about the september 10 showdown, than it may not even actually happen. And thats the only one on the books. Mind you . And the Harris Campaign is resorting to adding school yard Sound Effects of videos to taught the former president is it in why not debate her but because they already know Everything Trump see around not doing the debates okay okay chicken sounds. I cant i really cant make this out with me now, alex thompson, he didnt put land listen to Axios National political correspondent, rachel palermo, former Deputy Communications director and counsel to Vice President harris, and shermichael singleton, cnn, bucha tater, and republican strategist. Im just going to say it. Have not heard the bach bach took so long because i was probably an elementary school. Dont anyone guess when that was for you gotta be thats where we are right now. I got to ask you, why do you think . It might benefit the harris team for him to not have his microphone muted. Well, i think you showed it right there. Is that when he is not muted, he sometimes has trouble controlling himself. Their ranoque thing about all of this though, is that the decision to have him have a muted microphone . That was joe bidens campaigns decision. Earlier this year, they were the ones to set the rule for the june june debate. This is also another instance that Kamala Harris has strategic differences with joe bidens team and also its partly because of her different strengths and weaknesses right . Like if shes going to go on the debate stage, she wants to make sure everyone can hear. She also wants to make sure that she can interrupt him. As you you saw what mike pence debate. And so it is interesting, youve seen all these other subtle shifts. Fact that shes emphasizing freedom over the democracy and january 6 rhetoric, the fact that she has, she has really tacking to the center on things like immigration. There are this is just the latest instance of her making her own imprint on this campaign. This is also baiting, right . I mean, you cant do a bop, Bop Chicken Sound unless youre trying to tell someone like here, duckyducky, and trying to give them enough rope to hang themselves whether this is baiting at its finest. I mean, it is and hopefully the former president doesnt fall for it. Let republicans agree to every single thing that President Biden asked for. I didnt think they should have agreed derek thing that they did, but let worked out and former prison like i thought they should have had an audience there. I thought that was something that plays into his strengths. They agreed to it anyway, and it worked out in his favor. I dont think the rules should be changed. I get alexs point. Trump interrupting her. The Vice President interrupting trump. But i think the American People or benefit when theyre able to hear cold jen remarks from each candidate on how they would tackle some of the most Critical Issues of the country. And thats what i think these debates should be about less of the partisan stuff and more about, i guess substantive answers to very complicated problems. How beautifully substantive and maybe naive to think that Everyone Wants to wonder rachel what the American Public look has an appetite for. I mean, right, i mean, shermichael is a hell of a strategist. But i do wonder if the american appetite is more for that substantive granular detail are more for the backandforth. Im im making this without any physical altercation of course. I mean verbally verbally about this one do you think is the more rational approach if youre the strategy is here to think about what you want from the harris team. I think that for this debate, whats really important is the American People deserve to see donald trump and Vice President harris on a stage together talking about their visions for this country. I think theres been a lot of hype about it, and i think were making fun of this joke of the video thats been baiting trump, but hes been running scared. He been going back and forth for months saying, ill debate now i wont debate. Then he insults the network, then now he says that he disagrees with this campaign about whether or not the mics should be muted or unmuted. And so i think that its important that he needs to be put into a corner here to actually debate because people need to see the cost contrast between harris and between trump here how about the woman aspect of it . And were glad i dont think hes running scared. Donald trump always does this. Am i going to debate among not going to debate, i dont like this particular network. I like this network over that network. I mean, thats the goal way he did this person, michael, i mean, i dont know if i had that question. Maybe id be a Multimillionaire Biden but his personality, the way he wants, He Millionaire Who Wants To Be A Millionaire if i may theres one quote from down trump in 2015 that always stands out to me that was made on this network, which is that he says, i am a whiner and i wine and i wind and wind until i win and dont trump the whole point of this is hes trying to play the refs. Hes trying to work the rest. Hes trying to gain leverage. And so he complains. But i also will say here two ounces point earlier about the fact that Kamala Harris is a different candidate than joe biden. Theres something about Kamala Harris thats getting under Donald Trumps skin. Shes a powerful black woman. Shes a career prosecutor. She everyone has talked about how she gathers the evidence. Shes going to build the case and prosecuted against him in that debate stage. And so i think the fact that shes a different candidate here is getting under his skin. But when she was a candidate previously running for president , looked back at two and 2019 when she hadnt when we tulsi gabbard, who was then running against or remember that was that bigger stage and had all this is the pre covid but debates, remember, watch this moment she put over 1,500 people in jail for Marijuana Violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana. She blocked evidence evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so. She kept people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as cheap labor for the state of california. I did the work of significantly reforming the criminal Justice System of the state of 40 Million People, which became a National Model for the work that needs to be done i am proud of that work some praise that answer others pan that answer, but little made at the end of the day with little time for Course Correction between now and the election. I want 72 days. Rachel, every single moment, every answer becomes that much more impactful, which is maybe one i only one debate. But if theres only one, think of how important the answer is now, right and the Vice President has said that after this debate, shes open to other debates. And so it might not be the only one. The only time where people see them on a stage together, but as two, but hasnt scheduled one, correct . Right. But the but these moments are incredibly important and i think donald trump hasnt laid out concrete policies here. Hes being graded on a complete curve as he has throughout any campaign, whether its this 12020 or 2016, and people really need to be able to hold him accountable because what theyve been seeing from him on the trail is him slinging insults at people without actually saying anything substantive. Lets talk about that. You call it a different scale. I call it a total doublestandard. I mean, theres going to be obviously would one has been a part of an incumbent administration as harris has been, of course, trump is a former president , both have records to run on and administrations to talk about. But how people are going to judge harris versus trump is based on personality. On the one hand, you expect harris to give you know, substantive answers to have to dot the is cross the ts talk about her record her with biden as well with trump, you expect the visual reaction and a reactive tone. Is that fair for the electorate to have that imbalance . Well, some of this is because trump is so wellknown at this point, i would say like 99 or maybe 98 of americans already have an opinion about donald trump. And so when he says these things, some people dismiss them in, some people hate him even more. The fact is that this highlights actually, why, why debate is high risk, high reward for Kamala Harris. Its very clear that she could end up coming across as im the candidate, the future. Lets turn the page on this guy. Lets turn the page and the chaos. Everything else. Theres also a case in which people who dont know her that well see her and are unimpressed and actually you were like all my life was okay. In 2019 the covid, by the way. And are just like like will go to the guy that we know. And thats why this debate is maybe in some ways, not as a huge deal for donald trump because people have a set opinion about him, but its a bigger deal for Kamala Harris, a great opportunity, but also great risk is the same for the interviews, because obviously the debate is want. Theyre going to have that total the tow climate. But then you talk about an interview. And this has become such an important conversation. I dont know that the voters are as in tune with wondering whether theyll have interview as the media is about this, but say they are and say that Quentin Tarantino think so to listen to this this is about winning. What what most people dont give the democrats enough credit for alright, but we give the republicans credit for is like no, its sometimes its just about winning and it doesnt matter how we look right this moment. Its about winning. Im going to vote for him in any way, no matter what he says, im a steward being interviewed him, sacked. Dont anything. It wasnt actually that that was actually his voice, which the excuse that was actually as always talking about the reckless seriously when you think about the high risk, high reward aspect of it, the russia i know youre republican, but the idea of having hurt do an interview should she, do it should she wait this long and does it matter who she interviews with . Mean it definitely matters. I would not have waited this long the Vice President has pivoted on quite a few issues consequential issues. I think sitting down with journalists, particularly one that could be a little bit antagonistic against, sir, i would argue would have helped prepare her against someone like gay donald trump was probably going to hit her really hard on immigration. Hes probably got hit her hard on the economy its probably going to hit her hard on the issues with iran and israel and the middle east. And so being able to sit down for 45 minutes, 30 minutes with a journalist as asking her those tough questions, what is your plan to tackle cause . Why have you guys done anything . On immigration . How do you placate to some of your progressive base while also coming to israels aid, would allow the Vice President to sort of pivot, to dance around some issues if she has to maybe get some of her answers and talking points right before this upcoming debate is just what a practice in real time, if you will, wish, she could have had what, 28 days i would argue yes, she did an interview a week to get prepare for this upcoming debate. So i would have utilized that as like your in the boxing match wearing practice before the big showdown. And for whatever reason, her campaign has decided not to do that. So the stakes are so high. If she fails in this first interview, whenever it comes, everyones going to Pay Attention to it you get rachel, youve done congressional investigations and interviews. There is something about what you can prep for behind the scenes and in what happens when a cameras in front of you and your performing for the electorate not a lobotomy that happens, but something akin to it can often take place you can you prep yourself to have cogent questions from trump . Well, what i will say is in terms of this interview, in particular, the Vice President has said shes going to do on by the end of the month. Were getting close to the end of the month, so im sure in the coming days schedule, one by the end of the month, im sure in the coming days will hear when that interview will be, but her campaigns that today shes done at interviews this this year alone, when i worked for her, she did hundreds of interviews everywhere. She traveled from the white house. It was something thats really important to her. I dont think its necessary to be something that prepares her for the debate stage. Shes doing her own debate prep. Shes very prepared. She has her process. And what i think is really important here is that over the last month, she has been hitting the trail. She galvanize the entire Democratic Party around her candidacy. She picked a Vice President ial running mate. She crushed the Democratic National convention and the polls are moving in the right direction for her. And yet despite 30 plus days of incredible coverage, this race is still tied. That should not be a good sign for democrats. Our be worried, get your candidate out there and allow her to sit down with journalists to ask those antagonistic questions to prove to the people who arent quite sure about her candidacy . Yes. She can lead the country for four years. Something tells me that a former Attorney General has had her share of antagonistic moments, but wait, taken. 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Absorbing junior pro, nothing numbs pain more have i got news for you, ramirez saturday, september 14 at nine on cnn remember that time, a former president had more than four trials pending, there was this state trial in georgia over Election Interference another one in new york, that was the hush money trial. There was a federal trial in dc about the attack at the capitol. And of course, the Classified Docs case in florida remember only one criminal case went forward and we all know of course how that turned out 34 felony convictions. But theres still a sentencing that will happen soon, right well, the original sentencing date for the 34 convictions was actually july 11. Now hes even supposed to be till next month, september. But trump his lawyers have already asked for a delay. Now the rest of the cases, none are going to go in the 72 days before the election between the Supreme Courts ruling on immunity, the possibility that fani willis will not actually oversee the georgia case. And judge aileen cannon, her choice to dismiss the Classified Docs it might be that none of the cases go at all. Well, now, jack smith, he is trying to change that. He appeal judge cannon decision to dismiss his case. And what many originally believed to be one of the most open and shut cases against trump. Either trump knew we had the classified documents or he didnt. Turns out that only hasnt the rubber actually met the road. The car hasnt left the garage because smith is still trying to convince an Appellate Court, but his appointment was legal and he has the right to prosecute Writing Quote Precedent and history confirm those authorities as to the law on tradition of Special Counsel Appointments by Attorneys General and congresses endorsement of that practice through appropriations and other legislation. District courts contrary view conflicted and otherwise unbroken course of decisions. This court should reverse with me now, devlin barrett, National Security reporter at the washington post, and kim wehle, former assistant u. S. Attorney and author of the new book, pardon power. How the pardon system works, and why. Devin, ill begin with you here, because this Appellate Court has reversed past rulings by judge cannon, by the way. In this very case, kim how likely is that might rule in smiths favor this time around so im not a fortune teller, but i do think the odds are good for smith here. I do think shes going up against a long history of courts accepting Special Counsels as legitimate and to say theyre now suddenly not i think is going to be a hard thing to convince an Appeals Court why why choose not to ask her to be removed . That was part of that he could have asked for that. He well, he could have done that at several stages going for since this started right with the special master ruling, which the 11th circuit slap down, i think this is such a fringe argument. I think its highly likely the 11th circuit will reverse her. And now that were so close to the election, he probably is not worried about timing, like he was before. And really why is that . Because its not its not its not going to have any impact on the election one way or the other, whether hes wont go to trial. Of course. And this could stretch post immunity ruling months, if not years, to sort out and all of these cases which parts are legitimately going to be before a jury and not, and its ultimately Supreme Court gave itself, as i think Justice Sotomayor said, preclearance power to decide as the ultimate prosecutor what kind of evidence is going to go before any of these juries . And that could take months, if not years. So i think hes just sitting back and saying, whoa, we have to take a brand new look at all of this. But this decision can stand, its on so many levels, its really off the rails. This special counsel unconstitutionality decision, its not just what effects this particular case, but you were a former counsel in the whitewater probe. Youve written about as well. And the idea, this could have farreaching implications for other Special Counsels are those who are in a temporary position who need to they have confirmation from the senate and theyre waiting feds actually happen. It could this have that implication . So she throws one line, its a 60 sorry. She has a very long ruling and one line. Shes got jack smith ruling. Jack smiths appeal is 60 pages. He could have done it in three words, which is she is wrong on shes wrong, but he can those to do it and 60 pages i she throws one sentence and saying this shouldnt really apply to anyone else. But if you follow her logic, it could very well apply to anyone else. And i think its a little glib to just assume there arent can significant implications of what shes saying here that unless youre confirmed by the senate you can indict people. I mean, think about the consequences of the potential consequences of that that could have very far reaching implications, not just for the justice department, which obviously they care about a lot, but also for the Defense Department and other agencies who have acting officials making important decisions so you have to be able to run the government and typically the courts are pretty respectful of executive power. And this is a form of executive power. This is just one of the cases that hes focused on. Yet the florida case that you also had was going on and in the immunity decision, the actual interference case in washington, dc, he could have had a kind of mini trial, so to speak, to try to flesh out the parameters of the immunity issue. He could have gone and said, i want to figure out whats going to fit and whats going to not have this all happening relatively quickly. It seems that the judge was amenable least to having a calendar. Why does he not want to do that now, kim well, i think i think the filing is in a couple of days, so were not entirely sure what hes going to ask for, but its sounds like from reporting that hes not going to ask for many evidentiary hearing. I dont know how to get around that. Ultimately, because of the courts decision was so vague. Whats official whats unofficial power and the official power has to be manifestly and palpably not outside the scope of the president s power. And then if they satisfy that hurdle, then the question is, can you overcome the presumption by showing somehow that using this evidence would interfere with the president s ability to do his job, which i think would have wanted the justices said willis, make the president anxious if this could produce a crime criminal indictment. All of course it will. Anything that could produce a criminal indictment is going to make president s anxious. I mean, this is really Crystal Balls stuff. But i think its the flip side to have a mini evidentiary hearing close to the election. Thats going to be a sideshow thats going to get a lot of political, could get a lot of political heat because the same evidence that would go before the jury would presumably go public in that context. And they also dont want to probably show their hand on the merits. And the last thing i would say he could be deciding to issue a superseding indictment. There are some major charges including incitement of an insurrection that werent in that indictment. It was a clean shot one, probably no one and don get in there, get out. Now that now you have the time. I dont know. I dont know what hes going to do. Well, i got to make a tshirt that said this is crystal ball stuff. Thats thats pretty much sums up. Devlin barrett, kim wehle. Thank you both so much. Up next and Latino Civil Rights Group is calling out the Texas Attorney general, accusing ken paxton of carrying out illegal searches. Again, several latino democrats they say it voter intimidation. One of those democrats joins me next virus that causes shingles is sleeping did 99 of people over 50 its lying dormant. Waning, and could reactivate shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks and it could wake at any time i think you were not at risk for shingles. 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Shes quoted the New York Times is saying they searched everywhere. My underwear my night nightgown, everything. They went through everything and a Democrat Running For State House representative says her home was also raided Cecilia Casiano says, quote, this is all political. Here is the State Director of lulac speaking out today were asking the department of justice to step in because justice and equality, that pathway to justice and equality in our community, is that the ballot box . So they think that theyre going to stop our community from coming out. Theyve got another thing coming now. No charges have been filed, but the Republican Ag had previously said that his office clicking searches after a local prosecutor referred, Quote Allegations of Election Fraud and vote harvesting, unquote the 2022 election to his office and weve reached out to paxtons office for comment, but has yet to hear back. Now, i want to bring in Juliette Casiano One was tech, the State Senator and democrat roland gutierrez. Thank you both so much for being here. When i first read about this account, it was just shocking to say the least, this is cilia can you tell us what happened when officers arrived at your home yes, maam. I was about six in the morning on august 20 as a strong latina of faith and owner of a construction company, this i couldve never been prepared for. What am i what i experienced now, although i didnt experience in depth my actual home being rated, but Office Office of the Attorney General did come to my home that morning at 6 00 a. M. Ringing my doorbell and knocking on my door when i picked out, there was flashlights flushing into my home and they asked me if i was to celiac as bianna and i said, yes, i am. And they told me that that they needed to talk to me if they could if i could open my door, i did they said, well, you guys like the real like Attorney General because im not sure why you all are here and they said, maam, can we come in . I said, what can you please hold on so i could get my husband what i want to go get my husband. There were already standing by my dinner table and it was disturbing to me because my sons door is just a few feet away where he was sleeping my son did hear everything and what gets me mad as a mother is that number one this came in on a school day a number two okay. I understand that they came to do their job to take my phone, but i believe that it could have been done in a different manner if there were so concerned about what is on my phone however, when i asked them what if i could see the search warrant, what is it saying . Why are you here . They had no knowledge. They said they had nothing except to come and take my Phone Bed Nobody im, sorry they had no paperwork to show you or anything like that they provided a search warrant, a onepage search warrant, but there was no specifics on it as far as why did they want my phone and so thats what disturbed me i do they did take my phone, which i use for business and personal and i do have a Campaign Phone which i do not carry with me, so its not located here at my home and so there was no specification. It just stayed at the phone that was located at my home address. And so i gave it to them. They thanked me for not giving them a hard time and so i have nothing to hide. I mean, im not sure again, why youre here and they said, ms gustifano, im really sorry that ive had to meet you under these circumstances. You dont look like the type of person that should be going through this. And i hope to meet you again in a different story. It comes stance. Sit there were here for about maybe 45 minutes and they gave me a sheet of paper of my phone that they took the identification of the phone and they left and thereafter my husband and i sat down and talked and i was and shocked im still shocked yeah im im more bad because my son was a few feet away mad because my son calls me at work asked me, mama, is everything ok . Mama, what happened . And i couldve talked much while i was at work and a matter of fact, since that day, as i walk into my home, i feel no peace in my whole i can look forward my dinner table and see those men standing there my son comes in later with me every night and hugs me tight. Thats how our nights have been before he goes hes 14yearsold i mean, seriously, what 14yearold does that and today as we were getting ready for the Press Conference he makes sure that dad was going to be there and dad was going to be able to be there to protect mom and i told him yesterday after church, i said son sometimes when were led to do something for the right reasons and to fight for the right things we got to go through the valley. We got to go to the store but this is why people like those before us whether its Martin Luther king whether its any other activists have gone before us and have died for us. We have the rights we have today. But today and passed on august 20 was the day that they violated my whole and they broke and took away my rights my rights, my freedom, and my own home. My goodness, senator gutierrez, im going to bring you in just hearing you describe this and as a mother, just hearing what it must have been like to try to explain this to her son, to relive this moment here today. What what are these allegations . Actions by the Attorney General . Where are they coming from . This was not the only person whos home was entered in this way or things even taken what is the basis . No it doesnt appear that there is any laura i mean, the fact is that this guy this Attorney General, who has been indicted, as you know, in the state of texas and on seemingly some kind of probation for securities fraud. This is the umpteenth time that hes done this every election cycle, he picks a race or to that is contentious like cecilys and goes out and makes these allegations. And here you have these allegations of vote harvesting. If you will three from an affidavit of an election two years ago, i still have the pieces of the affidavit that ive seen i have no real specificity which is, you know, a criminal court doesnt really hold up this man has gotten what hes tried to do, which is basically have a narrative for an election. So that they can try and beat cecilia in november. This is unfortunately whats happening. It would be comical if it werent so tragic because you had an 87yearold great grandmother who seemingly the cops came into her house for a couple of hours at a time. She was in her bathrobe. They didnt allow her to change clothes. You had another 82yearold woman and an 84yearold woman. This is whats happening in my district and this is the republican narrative that theyre trying to frame throughout the country sadly, its not a narrative of positivity of how theyre going to change things for the good in america. But rather its a narrative that is simply stated to try and scare people and keep them away from voting in november. And thats an essence what theyve done in the Latino Community in south texas here, its voter suppression, its voter intimidation, and the net effect is that people less people will be voting because of it this was so important to hear what your experience has ban to Cilia Casiano senator roland gutierrez. Thank you so much. Both of you for sharing what has happened truly unbelievable thank you. Thank you, laura ahead. General hr mcmaster stayed silent for years about his time as trumps National Security adviser and that is until now his. Strong words against his former boss and then respond to another National Security council official, Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, is next you know, whats brilliant think about it. Boring as the unsung catalyst for bhole. 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I get a book written about me by all these losers well, trump said it himself earlier today. The list of his former white house staffer is that theyve turned their experiences into bestselling tellalls i mean, its quite long. Well, now you can add one more. Trumps former National Security adviser, hr mcmaster has coming out with a new book titled at war with ourselves. My tour of duty in the Trump White House. Now, in his sometimes blistering account of the Trump White House, mcmaster describes how easily trump could be manipulated by flattery, calling meetings in the oval office exercises in competitive sycophancy yeah. Ics. While mcmaster is unlikely to be in former president s good graces anytime soon, he did have some positive words as well, writing this somewhat backhanded compliment, quote despite what could sometimes be described as chaos within the white house, trump administered long overdue correctives to a number of unwise policies mcmaster was on cnn earlier tonight the president is quite often very offensive, brash, says things that are outlandish. Ive relayed a lot of those in the book but hes extremely disruptive person. I saw it as minor job not to try to constrain him, but to help him disrupt what needed to be disrupted. Would you work to Trump White House again . No, i think anderson i will work in any ministration. Were i feel like i can make a difference, but im kinda used up with donald trump Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman joins us now. He was former director for European Affairs at National Security council. He also testified against trump during his first impeachment and just endorsed Vice President harris for president earlier tonight, Lieutenant Colonel, thank you so much for joining us this evening let me begin where mcmaster just ended with anderson. I mean, in the book he mentioned what did he say . Outlandish things that theyve been said by trump. But heres an example. Why dont we just bomb the drugs in mexico . Or why dont we take out the whole North Korean Army during one of their parades and by the way, mcmaster, its optimistic that trump could actually evolve can you possibly understand . And that evolution that they matched speaks about laura, thanks for having me on. I think maybe ill take the liberty and start where you had that clip of donald trump saying he fires people. Well, id like to point out the fact that the American People fired donald trump and were not going back but the fact is i agree with much of what hr mcmaster said i would couch it a little bit different. I would say that trump if he was successful, it was inspired himself into because at one point in time in his administration, he had competent folks in his inner circle hr mcmaster, james mattis various various john bolton after hr, number of folks that actually were steady hands of practice, National Security experts that made some recommendations couched him in a way that was reasonable to general trump and donald trump how to read and a game of oneupmanship. So we really cant compare the previous trump administration, especially in the early years with what a Second Trump Administration would be, it would be one in which hes catering to putin, inviting them to attack nato members. Will talk to you about the timing of this book, because as you described, i mean, we often would refer to it as the quote unquote oh, yes, men and have opined about what it might look like if there are not the socalled adults in the room, if he is driven by flattery, if hes driven by, as you put it, the way to couch language in a way that he would sign off on. What do you make a big masters timing in publishing this book now, i mean, we are 72 or so as away from a president ial election obviously is not been in office for several years. Do you take issue with the now look, i take anybody that wants to join the big tent and the Big Tent Of Defeating Donald Trump preventing him from coming into power. I think there are a number of folks that i would welcome their voices John Kelly Jim madness, that would come out. They saw firsthand that disaster. That was donald trump, the threats to new hurricanes we dont have to speculate about how dangerous, a Second Trump Administration is itd be a one rife with project 2025, ideas. Eliminating civil servants. Its one in which hes happy to, to put veterans and Fallen Soldiers as props like he did today, going out to Arlington National cemetery desecrating that site. Dam him and basically a demeaning the sacrifice of those soldiers. That died in afghanistan. And on the way out, a decision that he was involved in, that he drove this is the kind of Second Trump Administration, extremely dangerous one botanic kernel. I am curious and one more point. You mentioned the desecration at national cemetery, obviously today is the anniversary of a deadly afghanistan bombing that killed 13 americans and wounded many others. And trump did campaign in part on top talking about this issue and also his criticism of the Bidenharris Administration for the withdrawal. But what is it specifically that you took issue with . It was his presence. Was it the idea of making a political statement with respect to it or something more i take issue with so much of what donald trump does. In fact, he called in front of john kelly who was made clear statements supporting making sure that the American Public knew what donald trump is vowing to he called Fallen Soldiers suckers and losers hes consistently, he demeaned the Medal Of Honor just recently. It is an endless parade of attacks on military Military Service mainly because he just simply doesnt understand a Selfless Service and sacrifice. And the army values loyalty, duty respect Selfless Service, honor, integrity kafle, these are foreign concepts to him so he doesnt know how to behave when he goes to the cemetery, arlington cemetery, and whether you know, dont be grin of giving a thumbs up in front of a gravestones or the fact that hes using laying a wreath as a prop to demonstrate that hes a friend of the military we know better we know better because weve heard him say this. Weve heard them say suckers and losers. Weve heard him demean the Medal Of Honor. The millage, the veterans and veteran families. There are a lot of them, about 28 million. We are by and large. We are furious with donald trump and we are going to be siding with harris and walz, a Competent Team to take us Into Prosper For Future Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, we will see how the rest of the electorate feels. Thank you for joining us this evening thank you ahead. 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So for one, hes a french citizen and so when he landed on French Grounds from his private jet, i think the french authorities have more authority to go after him for not upholding what theyd say are there laws versus somebody who is not a french citizen to, theyre arguing that this is part of a criminal investigation, something that was already ongoing, and that he is being charged or hes being questioned in relation to charges around the ap not being sort of complicit with the french in this governments investigations. So if the french government wasnt investigating other apps, they wouldnt necessarily be bringing in their ceos for questioning. But you might ask, why arent they questioning and investigating other apps . Variety of reasons, but i think what it mostly comes down to is the fact that telegram is really committed to free speech over privacy and so they are less likely to monitor things. Theyre less likely to pull stuff down. And thats why it has become a hotbed for a lot of terrorist organizations, criminals, et cetera. At the same time, the laura and this is what the ceo would argue. Even though it does host some of that stuff, is so widely available to so many different viewpoints. You think about it. Its the app that people use in war zones. Its used by ukrainians, its used by russians and so its this really interesting case study of the tension between free speech and privacy online. And get, i wonder if people will look at this and say, this must be the end of social media and free speech as opposed to perhaps perhaps the end of impunity. Were not being able to be accountable for what you have on your actual platforms . Yeah. I think the end of free speech is probably taking it a little too far, but you touched on is really important because i think a lot of Tech Executives have always believed and thought and operated as though they are not personally liable for the things that happen on their platforms here in the united states. I should mention we have a law that shields Tech Companies its explicitly for things that happen on its platform action to 30 were tied exactly but theres two things to note there, laura. One is when youre talking about encrypted versus not encrypted materials. So encrypted apps mean that its virtually impossible for anyone to have a backdoor into those communicated patients, including the Government Telegram is not encrypted. You can have some encrypted chats, but its not an encrypted app. And the reason that matters is the french government is essentially saying youre complicit because this is widely known and out there on your platform. And i think thats a huge impact on this case. Thats really fascinating lore football. Whats going on here again, he is not yet been charged, if you will at all,