and less pain. learn more. it. stokoe.com violent earth. would we have freiburg sunday at nine or it's tuesday, june 25th right now on san this morning, donald trump demanding a drug test for president biden and offering to take one himself. with just two days to go before the cnn presidential debate new evidence released by the special counsel in trump's classified documents case, including never before seen photos from the fbi search of mar-a-lago voters in new york heading to the polls for a primary election that pro israel groups are watching very closely plus celebrations in south florida, the panthers capturing their first nhl title, avoiding a historic collapse all right. >> 6:00 a.m. here in washington alive. look at the white house on this tuesday morning. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. wonderful to have you with us. drug tests for everyone. that's the request from donald trump two days before the historic cnn presidential debate. trump has been making claims about president biden needing to be quote jacked up for the big night suggesting that his rival will be taking some kind of performance enhancing drug again, with zero evidence making these claims. but here they are right now, crooked joe has gone to a log cabin to study prepare no, he didn't he's sleeping now because they want to get him good and strong so a little before debate time, he gets a shot trump offering to take a drug test to boasting on truth, social trunk test for joe biden. >> i would also immediately agreed to one the biden campaign not really taking the bait, the president is a hunkered down at camp david preparing for thursday night. his campaign did release this new ad donald trump loves to attack joe biden. >> joe biden. >> joe biden because he's focused on revenge and he has no plans to help the middle-class he just gave more tax cuts to the wealthy. here's the difference. donald trump is only out for himself, joe biden is fighting for your family there's also some new reporting out this morning on biden's debate strategy advisers urging the president to focus on trump and not his own first-term achievements. interesting. all right, are panels here. let's bring in cnn senior reporter isaac dovere, meghan hayes, former special assistant to president biden, and matt gorman, the foreigners, former senior adviser to tim scott's presidential campaign welcome all you know, another day on the 2024 campaign trail another conversation about drug testing for a presidential debate, isaac kind of big picture here. >> what are we seeing from the trump team and the biden team to if you want to go there on the preparations here because the biden, the people that surround a trump excuse me, do seem to be throwing everything at the wall. >> yeah. it would suggest that they think that there are reasons to doubt how well donald trump will do on thursday night. the and this is something that we've seen before. it's every time and that there is a moment where donald trump or the team around him thinking he's not going to do well, they throw things like this into the water even famously, when he didn't win the emmys for the apprentice, he said this is a long pattern that predates his time and politics, but they will be onstage together on thursday night. this is the first time that the two of them have debated anyone for four years. and the last people that they debated where each other and you remember what happened then it was intense. but also, i think you can go back and look at the video from either of those debates and see that both of them are changed men from that oh, yeah. >> for sure. i mean, look, let's take let's take a walk down memory lane to one of these debates from 2020, we put together a little compilation that made me take you back, watch he graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class. don't ever use the word smart with me. don't ever use that word. oh, give me a because you know what there's nothing smart about yu-gi-oh justice rational left. would you listen who is on your list? joe, don't you write, gentlemen, i think packs that donald, would you just don't know her gorman, if that donald trump shows up on thursday, is that a problem for republicans? yeah, i think that the line needs to walk bridget leanne the line. he needs to walk is in 2016 there is a little bit of a charm and there's a cutting this in a lot of it and it was a little bit targeted and it was effective. >> he was also like relatively new to the political stage, but not new to tv, not new tv. >> and i think i know hillary has. >> i didn't i didn't mean it that way. >> like he was fresh to voters in a way that he's not anymore. >> i think there it's also probably less baggage in his mind, right? there was less a little bit less grievance in his mind and i think that is the trump i'm looking for and 16 and i think going back to the point we were making earlier, i think the famous scene from iowa, lucy, where the chocolates are coming down the conveyor belt and nothing eludes you're trying to get them all up in their mouth. what the trump team has done since he came on the scene to very good effect is throw those chocolates on the conveyor belt and you put them all in your mouth at one time, you have to like pick and choose and i think what they're very good blotting out the sun, controlling the narrative. i think what you're trying to see, they want people talking about joe biden's performance. willie be jacked up as they go and they want that. that'd be the focus. let's go into debate. they're really good at creating chaos. like let's be clear, they're creating chaos here because they're selling doubt in people's 9 said like have downward like joe biden's not going to do well. so because of all these other reasons, so therefore, donald trump pulled put a little line between chaos and just like causing media that's chaotic, like it's a little bit it can be really difficult to deal with with like i wrote a book about the 2020 election and one of the things that i got into here's what happened in the debate after joe biden walked off stage. and what he the first thing he said to the aids who are came to him was that was embarrassing and he was really worried that he did not come off well, he kept saying i couldn't get a word and write and they had to show him videos of some of the moments, including some of the coverage that was pretty negative about how the debated gone and reassure him that people were actually attacking donald trump, that the analysis was tilted against trump and it wasn't just about him remember, we can sit here from the sidelines it's different when you're on stage and trying to deal with this. yeah. >> i mean, look, it's also one of the things about when you're experiencing a presidential debate in person, that's very different from what happens on television, right? it's like it's actually most important to kind of go back and watch it and see what americans saw. you can, you'll feel different and differently in the moment meghan one of the elements of this, i mean, look, we know there are some swing voters left in america. they're out there and many of them will likely be watching the debate. >> it could make a difference on those edges, but the country's also incredibly divided and very set in their camps. and one of the overarching themes about this debate, the new york times kind of framed it this way. the voters watching the debate with a hand over their eyes. they quote one of them who says jay bodenstein, a life-long democrat, says that he plans to sit down three for night of television. you regards with terror, he will not be watching a horror movie. he'll be watching the debate and then one of the other people quoted in the story says quote, it has all the makings of a train wreck with chemical spillage that is lethally toxic. that was jeffrey marshall and arizona democrats, there are also, i think i think in the story there's an account of them playing bingo, drinking games like, oh my gosh, there's this sense i think for people who are committed on either side of fear of how it's going go. yeah, there's a little bit around five. yes, you're going to hold your breath to see what happens, but this is why i think the optics matter right to your point, president trump is out there are former president trump's out there just throwing the joe biden can't even make it to the state. you'll be like a bumbling playing idiot. so it's like the optics here matter almost more than a substance in a lot of ways, both of these men have to get up there and beat gift, strong performances and be strong and give their delivery with such conviction that i don't think that's been a judge before on a debate, so it'll be interesting to see, but i do think a lot of people are gonna be watching, holding their breath, questions, right? are either these guys up? to the job, right? that's what it really comes down to. more than it for a lot of people, i think at this point policy, other than people who are dug in on it, but those swing voters, can we really see either of these guys as president for four more years? >> and that's why it's concerning what you read in the teaser about the biden team focusing more on trump and not the first policy, first term policy accomplishments i mean, we were talking this all but yesterday, i think that that would concern me if i was a democrat like i need to be an affirmative case, they're certainly trump is going to make one i can just be all trump. i think that was a whole hillary fell into to her demise in 2016. i think i think what they mean there is that they're trying to create the contrast there and remind voters how chaotic has presidency was and some of the things that he created chaos around. >> i think that's what they mean there. i don't think they mean focus on his policies. >> all right. we've got a lot more to dig into this morning coming up next, new photos 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lost, much less destroyed, and there has been no bad faith. >> the court should see trump's newly invented explanations and his motion for what they are, his latest unfounded accusation against law enforcement professionals doing their jobs isaac there are pictures that we now have of these classified documents being stored with her. let's put this up. that appears to be are those golf shirts i think pillows, classified documents are reporting says that according to the filing, trump personally chose to keep documents containing some of the nation's most highly guarded secrets in cardboard boxes, along with a collection of other personally chosen keeps x of various sizes and shapes from his presidency, newspapers. thank you. notes, christmas ornaments, magazines, clothing, and photographs of himself and others now classified documents aside like that could be my basement, but like what i mean, like this also, this filing was pretty sharply worded, clearly, things are yes gleaning i mean i feel like i packed up my college dorm room after freshman year a little bit more cleanly than that. >> but you're free to pack going up the oval window. >> yeah. look, i think one of the things that we're seeing here is that jack smith and his team very carefully documented every part of this and they did it in a way, knowing that they would get these kinds of motions and arguments from the trump team. and now it's trump team is making them, they've got new photos, they've got new two bits of it, and they have more information than they put out. initially to undercut this. and i think part of the lesson here would seem to be for trump's team as you go forward and make these ones, they might have more things that will undercut it because they clearly thought this through yeah. megan, i mean, this this would be sort of some hasty packing is true he was on his way out of the oval office. you guys were on your way in at the time you were working for biden? >> yeah. i mean, when we got there, everything was clean as, you know, the white house seemed doesn't really great job of doing that. i mean, i just think that this is not unlike when people are moving quickly. so clearly he was moving pretty hastily out. let's not forget, it's not because he hasn't he didn't want to give them back and he didn't want to admit that you have them, so i can see if this is their packing job, how you accidentally took some documents, but very chaotic. it seems good. >> it looks like my second bedroom a lot of crap. >> i got to clean out it's reminding me some things i need to do. i mean, look, i will say this. i mean, what jack smith is not above scrutiny. he need he needs to be accountable for these things and he needs to make sure he's defending these days and trump's have very good challenge these things. my first reading, this is also you look at the dichotomy between jack smith and fani willis, where like look, regardless what you think you're going to prosecute president in 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yesterday with this warning about a possible trump second term his friends in the united states congress are trying to pass a national ban that would outlaw abortion in every single state. and we all know if donald trump get the chance, he will sign that ban all right. >> joining me now is democratic congresswoman jennifer mcclellan, virginia. >> she serves on the biden campaign's national advisory board. congressman congresswoman, excuse me. good morning. thank you so much for being here. >> morning. thanks for having me. so the presidential debate set for just two days from now, this is obviously an issue that has been central for democratic campaigns that we have seen since the fall all of roe versus wade, of course, the president will only have so much time that he will be able to decide for himself how to direct the conversation, how much of it should be about this issue? i think significant portion should be about this issue because this is what's top of mind for a lot of women around the country. women are angry that they've had a constitutional right shipped away. i'm first-generation of my family to have a constitutional right stripped away and they voted accordingly in every election since they're going to vote accordingly. now at this point do you feel like president biden has been an effective advocate on this? we've also seen, of course, kamala harris go out there and beyond. >> i think i think he has been an effective advocate frankly, women are the most effective advocates because we understand the implications that the fall of roe has had for our health care and our reproductive freedom. so no one's going to be a better advocate than women. but the president is for a man, a pretty good advocate for a man let's let me broaden out this conversation a little bit because of course there's a lot that's facing present also the country as we head in to this. and there's some new reporting from my colleague at kayla tausche here at cnn, who says that there are democrats outside the white house us a circle arguing for the president to focus more on donald trump than on his own accomplishments. one, at top, democrat tells her quote, he wants the credit biden wants to credit, but it's not working. >> he needs to stop and by that, they mean he needs to stop trying to sell biden's policy achievements and instead focus on donald trump. >> is that the right approach? >> i think he needs to do both. i think he can do both what i have seen, particularly, you take a state like virginia, when democrats don't talk about what they've done the voters don't know and they don't vote based on that. i think he needs to do both in this debate. he's going to show a very clear contrast. between his vision and his record and donald trump's vision and donald trump's record. so i think the president can and should multitask we were talking earlier in the show about a new york times report that voters who have decided which camp there in ai, but especially spores of president biden, are watching are gonna be watching this debate with some level of trepidation. >> one said, level of terror, worried, of course, that the current president may make a mistake that could underscore the weaknesses that the trump campaign would prefer to highlight. are you nervous about the possibility of president biden's performance not being up to par. i'm not he has constantly underestimated and he constantly rises to the occasion. i heard the same fears and trepidation for the state of the union. he knocked it out of the park. i think the president is going to show a very forceful and clear contrast between a second biden term and a second trump term and i'm not worried at all. >> we've also been discussing here in my my colleague, ron brownstein, who was on earlier in the show, has talked about a key shift for democrats heading into this election. and that's in the past you're able to assume that if you were getting low propensity, particularly minority voters out to vote, young voters out to vote, that they were going to back the democratic candidate. and that we're seeing data that suggests that that's not true anymore and that that may actually benefit at the republican candidate. how does that has that changed? how you think about campaign politics? >> i have always thought that we need to focus on the candidate and their vision and their policy because an any given election, you have about maybe 20% of the electorate that are democrats and that's how they're voting 20% or republicans, and that's how they're voting. and the swing is the independence in the middle and so i think you can't take anything or anybody for granted and you need to make sure that you are running a persuasion campaign to everyone to get them out. and again, when we don't do that, we lose. we saw that in virginia in 2021. we saw that some would argue in 2016, and i think democrats have learned that lesson. >> all right, congresswoman jennifer mcclellan. thank you so much for being with us this morning. i really appreciate your time. thank you. >> all right. let's turn back to the 2024 raised. let's continue talking about it. i should say and this week's cnn presidential debate. president biden and donald trump, you may remember, have debated each other before. however, there is one woman who has debated them both in a new op-ed published this morning, the former secretary of state and presidential candidate, hillary clinton, offering some advice for fellow viewers of the debate. she says, quote, we should try not to get hung up on the theatrical of thursday's debate this is a head of this. it's a new book. she's publishing this fall with simon and schuster that they say will offer a glimpse into her marriage. faith, career, and perhaps it will bring us behind the scenes into some of these moments. >> the rest of us weren't tough enough on them. they have turned the court upside down. >> my social security payroll contribution will go up as well, donalds, assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it. >> but what we want to do is to replenish the search fund can you remember that isaac so first of all, hillary clinton popping up a couple of days before the presidential debate to announce a new book and telling folks what to look for here. i mean, you covered her campaign, so did i i should say, i thought it was kind of the interesting she popped up there that glimpse we got joe biden back in that, in that debate also. >> wow, wow. >> i mean that was 2008, right? are 2007 probably from that we were all a lot younger that way. it doesn't i and i think it was october of 2020. was interviewing hillary clinton. and i said to her, why do you think that every time you pop up, people say, oh god, here she comes again. why? and she said to me the two thought it was guilt on the part of people who hadn't done enough to get her elected hillary clinton somebody who clearly wanted to be president, should try it a lot she is not going to be present. >> the united states and she does still want to be part of the conversation. she feels like she has a thing to say here. i don't think that before that op-ed was published, there were a lot of people thinking, oh, hillary clinton is the only person who debated both of these guys, but it is true he was unsaved. joe biden, i would say that in those 2007 debates, for the most part, many people did not know that joe biden was there. it was really a clinton obama situation but she is the one who debated donald trump in 2016. >> how do i put this tactfully, meghan it's hillary clinton's emergence into this conversation helpful to the biden team. >> i mean, i don't think it's unhelpful, right? i think that there are some points that she made that i think are helpful like when she was saying that biden has facts and truth on his side, right? that's a that's a good point to make. also, once you pointed out that how they talk about people, i think that's an interesting thing too. this is especially with trump making those comments about the ufc in the migrants. and then the contrast of joe biden being such an empathetic leader. so i do think it's not unhelpful to them. i do i don't think that there's anything that we're all like oh, my gosh, we didn't know that beforehand, but it is bringing more things to the point they're to the forefront here, but there are points there that i do think are positive and helpful to the campaign. >> yeah, i would say probably public until the work cited the hillary emerge biden campaign and disregard one thing the chef me look, it was a standard surrogate out that it wasn't earth-shattering stuff, but when this out to me and i disagree and not a partisan way, but just a philosophical point away when she's talked about how it's not about the tricks. and i said this to a candidate i was in debate prep with. i said, look, we have to stop it idealizing these debates. their television shows can you hit your mark? you say your leinz and you get off and i compared this person, another person who was doing it very, very well. and i think we talked a little about at the start of the show, these things at their heart, their television productions, and the candidates are whether we like it or not, they're actors in it. and that's how we perceive these things that the way to think of it earlier in the show, we would play the clip of joe biden saying, will you shut up, right? that was one of those moments of biden really breaking it, breaking the format a little bit, and it broke through to people it reminds me a little when when kamala harris was getting ready to launch, are presidential campaign in 2018, she was taught with advisers and they asked her what she would do if she were in a debate the one that clinton was in that town hall debate where trump was stocking around behind her, which she mentioned in the op-ed and harris's responses, then was that she would turn around and say to him why are you being so weird now, obviously, she never got to debate trump, but i do think that one of the questions that is facing biden as it goes into thursday is how he walked handle moments where trump does something that is not perhaps right out of the lincoln douglas playbook for today the old school yes no. >> i mean, i'm look, i think it should we'd to be fair to president biden. i mean, he has taken those opportunities and typically seen positive responses to them. we saw a little bit about in the state of the union as well. so i guess we'll see coming up next here. >> republican congresswoman lauren boebert, about to find out if a big political gamble will pay off for her at the polls. >> lost former new york congressman least zeldin is here here to talk about thursday night's presidential debate more breaking news. >> we need to share with you this morning. >> multiple wildfires burning in the texas panhandle a government shutdown still on the calendar. cnn central next life is better with the 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the at the at the shop, you saw that with all the wonderful people. >> we just left, faith and freedom in dc. and that was incredible. so. but i'm preparing by dealing with you. you're tougher than all of them. >> i'm joining me now is former republican congressman from new york. we seldom he is supporting trump in the upcoming election. congressman, thanks so much for being here. good morning. >> so are you confident that the donald trump that we're going to see show up on thursday night is someone who is going to help his campaign i actually think both president trump and president biden show up thursday, alert prepared serious i think that there's going to be a substantive discussion on a number of issues. >> obviously, the moderators have the burden and asking the questions to be able to get to a lot of top concerns for voters and whether it's economic issues or its safety concerns, or 678 other things that you can mention the time is going to go by very quickly. i would actually expect both both of them to show up, prepared and alert let's remind everyone a little bit of what it was like the last time one of the last times these two met onstage, the kind of back-and-forth that we saw. let's watch this the worst, whereas in america has ever had in 47 months. >> i've done more than you've done it 47 years. they were teaching people that are country is a heart horrible place. it's a racist place, and they were teaching people to hate our country. and i'm not going to allow that to happen. nobody is doing that. he's just he racist are suburbs would be gone. >> and you would see problems like you need to know refs suburb unless you took a wrong turn and i know so he would know my god i was raised in the suburb this is not 1950 if we see moments like that on thursday, how's it going to impact the election? >> well, i think there's a lot of people tune it no, actually haven't made their minds up. i was on last night, but you'll fill mattingly was guests hosting for jake and i think there are people tuning in to want to make a decision based on substance and what you have shown to cbs news polls yesterday with one hour after the next, that the top issues are economic concerns, safety issues. over the course of the last couple of weeks, there have been a headlines of you, for example, relate to the border from members of isis who had been arrested two 12-year-olds, 13-year-olds? once you have been raped. their stories of single women being murdered. there's concerns about the border, and there are policies. if you look at the trump administration of what he implemented to build the border wall and remain in mexico title 42, and then catch and release president biden came in on day one and it was a top priority to roll back a lot of these policies. now there is that question of what happens in january of 2025 if president biden is saying that he wants to secure the border and when it comes down to now, both presidents have proven that they had the power. both to open the border during the power to close the border. so why don't you just do it now, if that's something that you're serious about ness example of one of the issues that if you asked me, what do i want to see? i want to see that back-and-forth flushing out not just their record, but also what they want to do going forward. and i also think that election should be one not by how well you articulate what you're against. my hope for all elections is always that elections are one primarily based off of what you're four. and that uplifting positive vision for the future as what i think those undecided voters tuning in are going to want to see congressman, how do you think president trump should answer questions at when he is pressed about january 6, if he has pressed about january 6, he's been starting off some of his rallies arguing that the he calls him the january 6 hostages should be pardoned. >> i imagine there are a lot of these swing voters you say still making up their minds who don't know that that's what he says at israel is because they don't see them is that something he should bring to the debate stage? i think the conversation over attacks on democracy has changed a lot now that president trump is, they're going after him criminally. they're trying to lock him up forever. they want to bankrupt him in this family, there had been states they're trying to remove his name from the ballot all together, denying americans the right to choose for themselves who they want to pick in november just before the 2020 election we all saw how the story about v, the biden laptop was, quote, unquote, russian propaganda. it was censored 51 intelligence officers the conversation about attacks on democracy doesn't have to be however, the question is framed by the moderator just wanting to talk about one dynamic in one day. i think that a lot of americans right now are seeing president biden and his allies as attacking democracy by trying to remove president trump in the about altogether, for example, i mean, do you think the people that were arrested after january 6 or hostages well, i don't view everybody differently. >> i mean, there were some i was in the capital at those on the house floor that de and and for somebody who comes into the capitol and they they vandalize, they hurt other people. that's different than coming in another entrance where capital police officers basically holding the door and high-fiving so there were some people who broke through windows and harmed and looted and there were others who basically were invited in and walk through like terrorists staying within the rope line of statuary hall so i don't view every single person who ended up showing up the capital that day the same way now you have yourself that experienced political violence. you're thankfully one of the few do you have any concerns about where our country stands in terms of the the volatility or the potential volatility in this moment. >> yeah, and that's actually a lot worse than what we see in what gets reported. we might hear of some death threat to some member of congress. we all saw what happened with steve scalise getting shot there there have been a lot of incidents that we hear about and we cringe forum we hope that never happens again. but most never even make it to the press. >> i can't tell you how many times i've been targeted with some type of a death threat that you don't put out a press release. >> and it happens to members of congress, all of the time so when you are a leader, there are people who follow you and the key is that you need to be leading these people well, rather than get followed by them. and there are people who in all parties, at all times, who are willing to follow that lead of that person who puts out a call and i think rhetoric is important. i think there are a lot of americans who believe that there's a time for politics and there's a time for government the people will decide in november, then there's an oath of office again administered in january. and regardless of whether you have a republican or democratic president, republican or democratic congress, you have a job to try to find common ground, however possible, to move the country forward. that's the type of you'll rhetoric in progress. i think that most americans, especially the americans tuning in on thursday, who haven't made their mind up that's what's going to be their hope for the future. >> do you think donald trump is living up to what you say that leaders should use rhetoric that discourages political violence all listen, i, there's a lot that i would say as far as president trump, what he said stuff that president biden has said, that is not maybe what my particular style is. but president trump is a fighter. he is, he is an offense. i'm sure he'll be on offense again on thursday president biden has shown up at these debates and he's been ready to fight and he's been alert and he's been given it to president trump. and ultimately, i think that a lot of americans also look for people to step up to be strong to be forceful again, not just talking about my preference is for that positive uplifting message but i do think that a lot of people also want to see that contrast outlined and this is high high-stakes talking about president of the united states and i think sleeves are gonna be rolled up and there also can be shown up on thursday to do battle. and i would not discourage both of the candidates it's to show up and just shy away from these tough debates on these issues as well, even if at times, you know, a rhetoric might ruffle feathers of those who prefer a positive uplifting right? >> congressman, thank you very much for your time to shake up in here. >> all right. 55 minutes past the hour. here's your morning roundup. lawyers for hunter biden, once again, seeking a new trial following his conviction on federal gun charges. the move comes a week after a previous motion was withdrawn by hundreds defense team without explanation an arizona election worker arrested for allegedly stealing a security fob the and keys from the maricopa county election center the fobs are used with special secure tablets during the election all of them must now be reprogrammed at the cost of $19,000 to american astronauts scrapping plans for a spacewalk outside the international space station. nasa calling it off after a water leak in a the cooling unit of one of the the space suits was detected julian assange as a free man this morning, the wikileaks founder accepting a plea deal related to his role on one of the largest leaks of classified material in american the history under the deal assange will plead guilty, but avoid anytime in a u.s. >> presented all right. once again, it's primary de with closely ross races in new york, in colorado we will decide the political future of two high profile house incumbents in new york, the democratic congressman, jamaal bowman is up against establishment candidate george latimer in a $20,000,000 effort by pro-israel troops to oust him over his criticism of the war in gaza. in colorado, republican congresswoman lauren boebert faces her first test since switching districts. and after getting thrown out of a theater last fall for vaping and shall we say lewd behavior? >> both bowman and boebert hoping to keep the incumbent hawtrey going so far, just one sitting house lawmaker has lost their primary this cycle, the panel is back, guys. >> this primary new york, very closely watched. and i want to play a little bit of what we have been hearing from jamaal bowman. he was at a rally with alexandra ocasio cortez over the weekend, she came in for him. let's just give give a little taste of because i mean, we've got to believe the language it gives you a feel for how this race is playing out right now. >> jamaal bowman dared to speak up for palestinian doesn't give a about us. i think give a about the bronx hey there hey pack is scared to are they though? >> because i mean, this looks like a candidate who thinks he might be losing all these, you lose by 20 points. >> number one, it's not going to be because of aid package, because latimer has been known in the district for 25 years. he's actually run on the issue i'll give them credit for that. and massapequa, which you'd like, we're hillary clinton, you still live in my still a little chap aquatic. it's yeah, tropical they don't care about this stuff. he's not even the district when he saying the stuff. and boebert, i think should be fine. yeah. yeah. look four years ago, i knocked on the door of elliot angle, who was the congressman, the bowman beat at door was in maryland. he was hiding out there ovid and lying about being in his district. that's part of why bowman one bowman. >> it was, yes. >> to that moment in time yeah. but it was also this feeling the district didn't feel like it was having a good representative in washington and bowman and we talked to people about this is about israel for sure. and the comments that he's made, but it's also about people feeling like bone i mean, there's been too caught up in some of the larger ideological squad issues. remember that incident where he pulled the fire alarm and there's a lot of criticism bad that. so he he has created a weakness for himself over years that then groups like aipac, but not just aipac have been capitalizing on. i think most people go into tonight expecting that he it's latimer is race to lose. we'll see new york primaries can be a little bit weird. and certainly the new york city board of elections has a spotted track record and we may or may not know tomorrow who wins? >> meghan will you see this race as we've obviously been talking about the local dynamics of the race. >> how do you view it in terms of a party that's trying to decide has a very uneasy alliance right now between us it's progressive wing and its establishment one, no, i think that this is very implemented that but i also think that this is why we have auctions. >> he's no longer is representing the views of his district and they are going to vote and he probably will end up losing his primary. but this is why we have elections this is important to have primaries. >> all right, it seems like