bowman trying to turn this spending disadvantage into a political asset redick nominee get her so often but for many voters here, jewish and otherwise bowman's take on the war in gaza. >> the very last straw. >> i'm gonna vote for latimer because i would rather anybody in office then jamaal bowman. >> why? >> because he's an anti-symmetric pieces so what you hear in that voters voice is anger and that is driving a lot of people out and keep in mind erin, these democratic primaries very very small numbers, turnouts. >> there's about 250,000 democratic voters total in this congressional district of very small number will turn out bowman has tried to apologize and apologize for some of the things he said, but for many voters were talking to, he's just not enough. >> aaron, that was incredible. a lot of passion of that vote. are there. thanks, miguel and thanks for joining us. >> the source starts now strike them the source tonight, we're learning new details about how biden and trump are prepping will go behind closed doors, former white house insiders, the pod save america crew on what to expect when you're expecting a debate for the ages. and it was one of the largest breaches of classified material in the united states history tonight, julian assange, after five years and a high security prison in london, is cutting a deal to avoid any us prison time. we're also digging into one of the most expensive house races that we have ever seen. it's also dividing the democratic party a member of the so-called squad and a fight for his political go life. do all bowman's primary challenger is here with me tonight i'm kaitlin collins, and this is the source tonight, we are just three days away from a debate. unlike anything that we have ever seen, what you'll watch thursday night right here on cnn will be unique in american politics right now, president biden is clustered in the cone of silence known as camp david and the new york times reports that a movie theater and an airplane hangar there have been turned into a makeshift debate stage with lights and all the president has been preparing for five days now with more than a dozen staffers and toe all too aware of the rust that often plagues incumbent presidents in their first debate. in a moment, we've got some insiders who know all about that phenomenon. just ask them what happened in denver in october 2012? meanwhile, the supreme court has just thrown a potential wrinkle in the mix for 2024. the high court is adding two more days to its calendar this thursday and this friday in addition to the already scheduled decision de on wednesday, that means there's a real possibility that the decision on donald trump's immunity claims could come just out tours before he and biden both take the stage. as for his prep, trump is also shaking up his usual usual schedule. normally, he's never in south florida this time a year when it's hot and slow and most of his friends are bedminster. but that's where he and his team find themselves tonight, a more secluded place. as he says, that podcast or the best way to prepare preparing by taking questions from you and others if you think about it, we had a great meeting just now and philadelphia with yeah. >> at the shop, you saw that with all the wonderful people. so but i'm preparing by dealing with you. your tougher than all of them we're told that biden's team is preparing to encounter potentially and highlight on potentially, they are a very disciplined donald trump on the debate stage of course, i would stand in stark contrast to what we saw four years ago, or even what we're seeing on the campaign trail now how should i handle him? should i be tough and nasty? >> or should i be should i be? she said no, should i be tough? for nasty and just say you're the worst president in history or should i be nice and calm? and let him speak biden's team believes that trump's campaign is more restrained while trump himself is crowdsourcing his debate strategy, which is at least a shift from what he was just saying. maybe i'm better off losing the debate. i'll make sure he says, i'll lose the debate on purpose. maybe i'll do something like that now it's important to remember. >> it was just a month ago that trump was posting on social media calling biden the worst debater that he'd ever faced. and also, i'm telling his crowds this i really think he has to debate. >> he might as well get it over with probably should do it early so that he can he's not gonna get any better. >> we can walk can find his way off the stage, can put two sentences together. >> okay. but now he's arguing this one. >> i'm not underestimating him. i'm not underestimating him. i assume he's gonna be somebody that will be a worthy debater. i say he'll come out all jacked up if you're confused to try being one of trump's surrogates, trying to set expectations on national television the truth of the matter is, is that joe biden is not the man he was four years ago or eight years ago. >> everybody knows this and so what they're trying to do is lie, dissemble, and cover up for the fact that joe biden cannot go on the campaign trail like donald trump is doing right now. he has to be at camp david for 78 days to prepare himself to be in a 90 minute debate with donald trump. that does not bode well for a man who says he wants four more years, we have to look at the guise run for office more than a dozen times. he's run for president four times. he's been campaigning since president nixon was in office. this guy has got the ability and we've seen it. we've seen him in debate four years ago. we've seen him in the state of the state of the union this year that when he needs to, he can step up my leaves sources tonight on this or former obama white house staffers and also the host of pont save america, tommy ventura, john fabra, and john love it. they're also the authors of the new book democracy or else how to save america and ten easy steps we'll see how easy it is. we'll talk about that in a moment, but i mean, it's for this debate prep we're told that tonight president biden is having lasagna and preparing. i don't know. it's an interesting deal choice, but but what, what does this look like to prep a president for debate well, it didn't go so well for us. >> and now in 2012 with open the first debate, but state but usually what you're trying to do is like not give the president too much information. you're trying to just give him a few goals that he wants to achieve out on the debate stage. and so there's a few contrasts you want them to hit usually, there's some zingers that are written, but i think without an audience fingers aren't as effective this time round so you're trying to an end it. a lot of mock debates two, so usually i'll have someone playing the opponent in this case, donald trump. and you'll just go a couple of rounds and have like folded debate prep sessions that just look like an entire debate someone plays the moderator and then for the town hall debate, you'll have different staffers asking questions and so it looks exactly like a real debate. yeah. >> they went through a fair number of shelter dogs to find the right one to play trump were on television it really it is, it is a good question how to prepare to debate donald trump because it's, it's not just, you know, when you were preparing obama to debate mitt romney, it's focusing on the policy and those details. trump is kind of the singer person who, when hillary clinton was saying something about being president, he said well, if viewer, if i was president, you'd be in jail moments like that, that stand out from the debate. >> how do you counter that i think in this i think like what kind of donald trump shows up, i think is one of the biggest questions because he's out there in front of his biggest, where does fans and he's like, should i be nice or should i be mean and they want him to be mean and he wants to give them what they want. but, you know, is campaign is hoping that that donald trump doesn't make it a show about how extreme and dangerous donald trump is. the format which a lot of people are saying, oh, you it's gonna, they're gonna shut off trump's mike hahaha. we're going to shut up trump's mike. it might be conducive to like keeping that kind of trump in check. the only i think the other side of it is five minutes into a debate. donald trump's going to forget any kind of prep and then he's gonna go all instinct. and that he's gonna not gonna be able to stop himself, but he often plays to the crowd. he's in front of. i mean, he often is very different when he's in a more muted setting. if he doesn't have that audience, there the assumption is it'll hurt trump, but that also could be a benefit and i don't how does the biden campaign prepare for something like that? if trump is more restrained? yeah. i mean, i think you have to prepare for the worst, which is donald trump saying absolutely vicious personal things about your son. >> your family, your finances, right? live fire drill where you as a staffer have to say to the present united states, all the worst things you can imagine donald trump will say. and then you also have to prepare for a more measured steady trump. and how you sort of perry that, but also try to bring out from him all the things that people like the lease. you want to bring out, donald trump, the twitter feed, and not let him pretend to be statesmen for 90 minutes. >> yeah. you mentioned that moment with obama and romney from that debate, and obviously it was in 2012, just to remind people, this is a moment from from that first debate in denver is the program so critical, it's worth borrowing money from china to pay for it. and if not, i'll get rid of it. i'm a kerr's on my list. i apologize, mr. president. i use that term with all respect. >> good. okay. good so i'll get rid of that and you see a major difference between the two of you on social security i suspect that on social security, we've got a somewhat similar position i mean, i imagine that last day was not your idea i said pause it's not are a little bit. >> yeah. no. but you don't the other part of this is incumbent presidents. >> they're kind of insulated there on air force one during the oval office. they don't face a lot of one-on-one combat like when you walk in the room. yeah. this solute you, they're not used to being challenged, but also they are naturally defensive about their record because they've been president four years. they think they've accomplished a lot. and so when you're challenged about that, you go on the defense, you start being defensive and i think that for biden, he just has to be careful, like it is not about defending his record. donald trump wants to go in there and wants to make it a referendum on biden, whether he is disciplined donald trump, whether he's crazy donald trump, he wants to make it a referendum. biden no matter which donald trump shows up, you want wants to make the election a choice, and he wants to paint a picture for people about what life is going to be like under four more years of joe biden versus former years of donald trump. so there's one thing that joe biden has to do in that debate. it's to make sure people leave the debate thinking joe biden to someone who cares about the american people and donald trump is someone who cares about himself so every answer, so it has to funnel into that and what about age? >> i mean, obviously both of these candidates are up there and we're going to watch both of them on stage for 90 minutes only with 2-breaks. none other teams can come and talk to them or give them advice or pump them up halfway through yes they're both quite? old i don't know if you've done the mouth of the numbers are 78, 81 yes by nothing question about his age, i think voters are as we seen from polling more concerned about joe biden's age in his readiness to be president. >> i personally am not concerned about his ability to do the job. i do wish you were 20 years younger so that we weren't having this conversation. i think he's got to step up their and show the joe biden that we saw the save the union who is punchy? giving and taking and like just seemed ready to do it. >> yeah. can we talk about the book? because it's actually incredibly timely democracy or al tawam to save america and ten easy steps, i think people are wondering if it's really that easy to do that, but you talked a lot about the cynicism that so many people feel they're going to feel that when they see these two, these two candidates that a majority of americans don't actually want to be voting for. but, but obviously we'll be dealing with so one of the reasons we wanted to write the book is in part because we know that people are really cynical about politics and they have a lot of very good reasons to be cynical about politics. >> but one of the things that we've learned in eight years of doing this show is how rewarding it can be. when you step outside of your phone, you've stopped just seeing what's going on on your screen and you gotta get out there and talk to people, meet people, knock on doors, volunteer may calls because you remember that campaigns ultimately, it's not really about joe biden and donald trump. yes, they are they they are what the narratives are about there, what the tv coverage is about there, who we vote for, but ultimately, the stakes are about what happens to us and we have a lot of set, we have a lot of say in what happens in this system. and reminding people of their agency when there's so much media and noise and cynicism to get people to feel otherwise is a valuable project and it is especially important when people maybe wish the candidates couldn't remember the bay of pigs were alive for it not look like when, you know, when you talk to voters though, i mean, this is kind of what you all do. you're on the road a lot, you're interacting with people who i imagined come to you with a lot of questions of how do i get involved? what does this really look like? it is there even any chance to make a difference if you're just a regular person? >> yeah. i mean, there's gonna be a lot of nervous democrats watching the debate on thursday. so you ever certain rating, right? yes, sir. public and x2 and things like we can't control how joe biden doesn't the debate. we can control the outcome of the election because the last election was joe biden, only one by 40,000 votes across three states. and the electoral college. so it was really close and the upside of a closely divided electorate is that everything you do has a bigger impact so what we always tell people is whether you are a volunteering four presidential election state election, a local election in your community, like the impact you have as one person can make all the difference because when winning elections are decided by a couple of hundred votes, a couple of thousand votes, like every door you knock matters, every text you send matters, and not only is it is it impactful, but it gives you the sense of agency that you're actually, you can control what other people do by persuading them to get out and vote because elections matter and they have a big impact on people's lives. yeah. >> and you'll talk to a lot of notable figures for this book is stacey abrams, alexandria ocasio-cortez, just a few on vice and what to look for. i mean, if someone they're looking at these candidates and a lot of people i think urine for younger candidates, different kind of candidates were watching this primary race in new york right now, that's one of those too expensive ever. >> i mean, what kind of candidates do duple often ask you about i mean, i think great candidates are people who are authentic to themselves have a story that informs who they are and their values and what they're fighting for, and to have a policy proposal that that that goes along with it. like someone like aoc, someone like stacey abrams, they just bleed authenticity like you believe them when they talk? they seem like real people. aoc was bartending not long ago before she was a member of congress. i think people that seem connected to the communities they represent. those are the strongest candidates. >> yeah, what, what's your last piece of advice for anyone who's is watching this and interested in maybe it's going to be thinking about this thursday night i would say by the book, that'd be the first thing. >> and then also like don't give me a hard time about the shelter dog thing. like i didn't really mean it. i'm like i like shelter dogs that was sort of antagonistic towards shelter dogs and i don't want to go down for that. there are so many more important things shelter dogs this book, pitch, level here's, here's all say about the book. >> is that where do i look? very funny? it's actually surprisingly funny. we worked really hard on it and all the proceeds from the book, the province from the book go to vote save america, which is an organization that is helping to do everything we can to protect democracy on the ground and other groups that are doing good work. so we're not even, we're not even this isn't even a profit motive for us yeah. >> give me the love of the game, maybe some for the dogs, for the dog. >> yeah. like i'll just get off my it's about it. i'll do a donation to the shelter dogs, some things. the adoption center is something i hope biden wins. oh, i just hope you win so much jail. that note. thank you all for being here. maybe during john beverage old love it great to have you coming up. donald trump says his vice presidential pick is likely going to be at thursday's debate. it might be one of these guys there was no way we are going to allow a con artist to take over the conservative movement. and donald trump is a con artist, just think that it's important that if you're judged by the company you keep and i just wouldn't do business with him. 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to serve on his ticket? >> i think that question is up to president trump what we decided when we decided is watching right now what's your argument to him, i guess, for why you would be a good choice. well, that could be if that's a conversation between president trump and myself let's bring in former white house communications director alyssa farah griffin, republican strategist david boolean ski, former senior adviser to president obama, david axelrod. david, you're laughing while watching do that. >> yeah. well, i think he's mastered the one quality that trump will appreciate, which is deference wherever the president says. >> i mean, but i understand it is a difficult is unseemly to sit there and say, here are my great qualities. this is why i would be the best person. now, e may have handled it a little less awkwardly, but i don't i don't question his instinct to not want to be a shameless self promoter. there are plenty of those out there. we know that i will say, i mean, you obviously worked for the last vice president to trump. what did you make of burgos pitcher or maybe not my money starting to lean toward burgum and listen, he's in many ways like like pencil the higher net worth he somebody who's not going to come crossways with trump. >> he's somebody who's steady, hidden can go out, raise money. he can help down ballot ticket candidates on tickets and i think that the former president genuinely likes him from an electoral stand, poor eye standpoint, i think marco rubio is the scariest for the biden-harris de and that's somebody who could make inroads with latinos that's somebody who i think for sort of trump's skeptical republicans, they trust him, they know him, and that could bring them back into the fold j.d. >> vance, my fear there are my analysis there is i think he could outshine trump. i think he somebody who has a big persona and there could be real skepticism of having him in the west wing yeah if he joined the tickets, j.d. >> vance, at least obviously he's quite young, use 39-years-old. he has a lot of road to go. and so i think when pence even set up a pack, when he was inside the white house? i was and that was a whole thing. you know what happened here story in the news cycle well, look, i think we're at a different place and we were a month certainly two months ago with the president and the choice that he can make when you look at the seven battleground states, he's leading on average in real clear politics and some cases comfortably out of five out of seven. >> and the other two he's tied in and virginia is now in play. so minnesota and even new mexico. and when you talk about the cash advantage or disadvantage that we formally faced a marco rubio might have been a cleaner pick two months ago, but right now, if you looked at the combined authorized committees the trump team has 235 million at their disposal compared to 212 for joe biden and the democrats. so the politics or in trump's favor right now. and so is the cash advantage. so i think he gets to actually make the pick of who he'd be comfortable with rather than who politically are financially might get them there. >> yeah, which is what burden was arguing obviously speaking to fundraising thursday night is going to be a huge night for both of these candidates when you're watching this, david, is there room is it going to change the race substantially what we see on thursday night potential it's a really good question. i mean, if if if one candidate completely craters and in the case of biden, that would be performing poorly, reinforcing concerns turns about his age in the case of trump is if he had a repeat of what happened four years ago in that first debate, i think that would be bad for him. i'm sure in some ways his team is happy to have mics muted and no audience because maybe that will enforce some control. the question about biden is whether he can control events it's a question about trump is whether he can control himself but if they each do what they need to do, and now they're trying to raise the expectations for biden, but they spent years setting them and to the point where if he comes and goes under his own power, he cleared the bar. >> that's a great point because it trump has been two years, years, four years saying that biden can't put two sentences together. he's changed his tack in the last several days is because he told me yesterday they'd kinda set the standard so lobes essentially inhale and what illicit when you're looking at that. now, trump is saying now on truth, social, that by needs to do a drug tests before the debate, i remember it's like in 2020 when you were saying biden was going to be wearing an earpiece. i mean, he uses these things as a distraction technique from the actual debate itself, correct. and it's to have a way to argue on the other side, it was rigged. that's the same reason you have his spokespeople going after the moderators and criticizing them but it also remind folks in 2020, donald trump lied about his covid tests, those of us in the white house working very closely with him, did not know that he tested positive just days before an appeared on the debate stage. so it's rich now that he's saying joe biden has something to hide and isn't being forthright with the american public. but listen, i think it's high stakes for both of them. i think donald trump has to prove the competency and the ability to get through it and be steady and not go crazy, not lean into the rage and retribution. and for biden the issue of age that is baked in, he needs to show he can do it. >> but the question is this race has basically a yes. they're biden's some fluctuations, but the race has been actually pretty stable for a very long time. one of the questions is, can one of them blast? through that and create some movement? and i'm not at all sure your tomato to probably the best-known candidates for president. we've ever had. and two incumbents running against each or one at former and coming people know them i think it's tough to move the needle, but you have to pass the tests. i'm not sure trump feels he needs to move the needle right? >> now. i think i think thursday night is incredibly important for the president because if he starts off on the wrong foot heading into the fall, i don't know that he can recover. >> that. i would say if the president surprises on the high side, that is a problem for trump. i've had that would concern me if i were trumping one question is if trump realizes the midst of this debate that gc is actually doing pretty well. does he become more aggressive? that's what happened in the second debate last one, this could very well be one of the biggest stages that they have until the next debates, not until the end of september if it could happen, if it happens, no one knows early voting will be underway and so it is a moment for both of them to see them side-by-side in a way that no one has had for years, right? >> in the biden team. i think with smart to agree to this earlier debate, to push for an earlier one because they're wanting to create the real general election rush right now. they don't want to wait until three months out when we know most voters actually make up their minds so drawing out that contrast, reminding people why they vote did not vote for donald trump in 2020. but it could cut both ways. i've been with donald trump and seen him performed for 90 minutes and able to stay on roughly on message, not say crazy things largely has no his rap his head wrapped around policy. there's a world in which we see that i think this format does benefit him. he doesn't have an audience that makes him want to be bombastic and loud but we'll see, yeah. >> i mean, his rallies are 90 minutes a day if he shows up with a rally speech though, and he's speaking about immigrants it's poisoning the blood and the greatest hits does not work if provoked. how does he respond at some point, does he just kind of just something trip his wire and convictions january there's a lot that's why they've been running an ad for week-and-a-half i've featuring his felony conviction. i think they want to get in we'll see if they do on thursday night, alyssa farah griffin, david polantz, and david ox or eid. >> thank you. all in the lead up to that debate, i should note house speaker mike johnson is going to join me live here on the source term for night. you don't want to miss that. that's gonna be at 9:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. but first up next is the most expensive primary race that i was just talking about in american history. it's also now one of the most contentious and my source right after this break is what? the candidates who is in the middle of that madness the cockroach resilient creek just truly miracles of evolution, where there is one others aren't far behind scavenging for food. >> the cockroach will now that's horrifying hey ortho home defense, max enduring sec barrier. >> one 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so-called squad, whose victory four years ago was seen as a major shift in the direction of his party. he's in vocal in his opposition to how israel is conducting its war in gaza. he was one of the first to call for a ceasefire. had to apologize and walk back statement saying it was propaganda about the rape and sexual assault that happened on october 7. and he also made this accusation about his opponent over the weekend not giga stand silent touch dollars kills babies women, and children supports genocide a challenger that he's referencing there is george latimer, a former state lawmaker now serving is a county executive and the district. >> both candidates have big names backing them. bowman for his part, has been endorsed by big progressives like senator bernie sanders, congresswoman and alexandria ocasio cortez. latimer on the other hand, endorsed by hillary clinton and another new york congressman monday or jones. my source tonight is george latimer and i do want to note we've also extended an invite for congress and bowman here on the source that's still stands, but, but it's great to have you here, mr. latimer, and first off, i do want to get your reaction to that accusation that was logged there that you are supporting a genocide in gaza. >> caitlin, i think this is part of the rhetoric that the incumbent and those who support him believe those of us. and i think i'm in the mainstream of the democratic party than the house members of the democratic party. hakeem jeffries. that what we see as a path to peace includes hamas giving up hostages as part of any arrangement to cease violence and then also provide humanitarian aid only until recently, did the incumbent talk about the releasing of hostages. so because we want to see people who would kidnap released, and we're not prepared to have a ceasefire immediately. he calls that support of genocide i think the majority of the american people don't see it that way. it is a volatile situation. their innocence dying. hamas is just as guilty of a bad behavior because i believe they put their civilians in the line of firearm purpose to try to create this environment. so i think there's much both sides have to discuss. >> you said the majority of americans don't believe it's a genocide, do you not believe it's a genocide either? i do not believe is genocide, even though the international accord of justice that it is plausible that international court of justice may have their opinions based on their politics and their ideologies. what i'm watching israel respond to a horrific act, no different than the way we responded tonight, 11 or perhaps pearl harbor, should we continue to see that type of violence happen? no, i'd like to see the violence cease, but it ceases when hamas agrees to give up the hostages or the remains of the hostages on that basis, then you can plausibly expect it to be a stopping of the islands and then humanitarian agency support a ceasefire, but only the hostages are released. let me ask about this race. those specifically because we talk a lot more money has been spent here than any house primary race ever in the united states. and that's remarkable given you know, of course, what this you've said this race focuses on local issues that matter to westchester the bronx. >> but listen to what senator bernie sanders said when he was here on saturday one of the gold boiling, a modern history it really is because this whole selection is not about your ball versus the la. it is about whether or not the class and the box will control the you're not going to say, i mean, given aipac has spent almost 15 million backing you in this race, do worry that voters will, it will see it how bernie sanders does. >> well, i don't think they do because i'm the person that's been on the ground talking to voters in the district, would voters in the district talk about are the bread and butter needs? they talk about the affordability of the live, talk about jobs and transportation, and climate change senator sanders has long railed against oligarchs and the structure of government. here's the important thing, caitlin, in terms of dollars and cents my opponent has made much of the support that i have over 50% of my financial support comes from people in the district. those people may be affiliated with aipac or they may be involved in other jewish causes, but they're donating because of his radical point of view regarding israel. that's why they're donating. >> and it's important to note that 90% of his money comes from outside the district, from places in california and other parts of the country, when people who aren't living in the district wants to see a congressman like kim represent well, you were criticized for saying that he had a constituency in dearborn, michigan which has a largely a large air and population. >> people were saying that those were racist comments let's do and by what you initially said, well, let me get the quote right. what i said at the time was he has raised money from places like san francisco in dearborn, michigan. that's accurate fact because what he did is create a joint fundraising organization with representative to leave who is based in dearborn, michigan. so it's not the city of dearborn. it's that representative to leave his from there. she's been raising money. i think she transferred a half-a-million dollars, in part to him so the question is, when someone looks at where's the money coming from, who are the sources that are driving your policy? the incumbent is getting his money from outside the district from a host of these different sources that aren't even do cop will solve it that way, given obviously dearborn is so prominent and i think it's large arab, i think what you had is my opponent wanted to misrepresent what i said once you've misrepresented to make it sound like i'm picking on a municipality with an ethnicity as opposed to his commitment to join fundraise with representative told me that's what i actually said. the spin and that's where we deal with so many times in these campaigns that one side wants to spin something as specific way. i know the quote that i said it, it's on tape, so you stand by the that comment. >> when you look at this race. i mean, if he loses jamaal bowman, he would be the first member of the squad who is not returned to office by his constituents. what does that say about your party and what democratic voters want to see if that happened. >> i think what it says is that jamaal bowman got out of step with the district. he stopped working the needs of the district. he stopped caring about every one of the municipalities and the resonance there because there's a certain amount of national image that he seems to care more about, that he's out there as a spokesperson for a point of view, rather than representing people who have legitimate needs in the bronx. i don't think it's a referendum i'm on progressive politics of your party. well, let me just say this, caitlin, i know this is probably below the level of interest for most of your viewers when i've done and running westchester county is extremely progressive. we've done a host of things. we passed a clinic access law for county government. we've passed access to counsel for indigent people a host of things like that, that markers as the most progressive county in new york state. the positioning of this race as a progressive against an establishment conservative is inaccurate. it works because the demographics appear to be that, but not on the ground of what it's willing to raise money on wealthy people are you? >> i'm i'm preparing taxes. i'm prepared to raise taxes when we have a budget that shows where the tax money is going to go for it, then it makes sense that's what i've done is a local official. i don't go into a budgetary process. is a county executive, the state legislation. i'm here to raise taxes. i'm here to try to find the resources 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let's department, by pleading guilty to a felony charge involving one of the largest leaks of classified information and us history the deal allows assange to immediately return to australia, his native country. >> you may recall the 2010 leak included hundreds of thousands of confidential military records at the wars in iraq okay. >> and afghanistan under the plea deal, the roughly five years in prison that us prosecutors were seeking for assange would be equal to the time that he already served. and a british prison remember president biden said, if you months ago that he was considering ending the prosecution against him i want to talk about this with andrew mccabe, the former fbi deputy director and obviously this is a huge step down. andrew mccabe from the 18th charges, the potential hundred and 75 year prison sentence that he was facing. what do you make of the terms that prosecutors have come to with julian assange? >> yeah. you're right. kaitlan, it's a big it's a far cry from 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might have on legitimate journalistic activity well, i mean, it's notable to hear you say that obviously his team argued that he should be protected by the same walls, the internalised, or that he was releasing sensitive information. >> but in the public's interest in so he's been alternatively celebrated in by some and reviled by others until it is striking for me to hear you given your former position is the deputy fbi director to say you think this is the right call? >> i do think it's the right call and don't get you don't get me wrong. i think julian assange did the wrong thing. julian assange hurt the united states government. he put the lives of our troops in danger. he put the lives particularly of iraqi citizens who had helped are our effort in the war in iraq in danger. so scott did a lot of bad things. but what he did, some of what he did was very similar to the way that journalists conduct their business. of course, in other ways, very different, right? there wasn't any of those conversations prior to publication that journalists typically have when they're going to reveal classified and sensitive information to find out what reach out to the government kennedy involved to find, let them seek comment and then have a conversation. give the government an opportunity to say, hey, please don't do this because these people might die as a result. very big differences there. but the fact is that going forward with this prosecution would run the risk of putting all of those processes and those protections kind of up for grabs. and that could set a very dangerous precedent going forward and have a chilling effect on the journalistic newsgathering process and how that impacts the first amendment yeah, andrew mccabe, notable comments. >> thank you for joining tonight. >> thanks, kaitlyn of next, a son who is fighting to bring his father home, a holocaust historian and the son of holocaust survivors. >> you've seen him on the show before? he's, now held hostage in 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a book called all our scan for your free riders guide, 804, 551827 israeli prime minister netanyahu rushing to contain backlash following his comments over the weekend where he said that he would agree to a partial deal with hamas that would release only some of the houses such and also allow israel to continue its war in gaza. >> not only does that stand in opposition to present biden's endorsed ceasefire proposal. but it is also angered israeli politicians. groups are representing the hostages and their families including one group that released new video today from the october 7 attack to add pressure on to the prime minister we know at least 120 hostages are still believed to being held in gaza. that includes 75-year-old alexander danzig, who was kidnapped on october 7. you'll remember i spoke to his son. you've all when i was in israel reporting and november, as he has been fighting for his father's return. and evolve joins me now and it's great to have you here i mean, it's crazy to think that it's been eight months since you and i spoke at your home. we talked about what this meant. you watched the coverage every night of the first hostage agreement? how you're worried about your dad getting his medicine. i imagine that's only amplified this many months in thinking that now we don't think about the medicine. we think about his life. you think if even alive? still alive because you didn't get his medicines. we know that and we know nothing about him for 200 days. so well, in square one when this happened, did you could you ever imagined that you'd be here in june and still not have seen your dad i was sure it will end when they first started as we were released we're sure a deal. >> another deal will come in a month weeks not nine miles, and we don't see a deal coming. so i i i can't believe it's for me. it's still october 7 it's still october 7 for you yeah. >> i'm always spoken. your dad, mr. sons, by mitzvah? >> yeah which is obviously since we had joys time grandparents should be there, but that he he couldn't be there for for obvious reasons it's it's it's where we have certain grandchildren. it and c is the only boy. so it's the only bar mitzvah obvious grandchildren. so but for now, we don't worry about these things. laurie, for if if he's alive he's job hope that is alive. >> they have to i have to otherwise i couldn't go anywhere and couldn't do anything. >> when you hear the prime minister say that he's open to maybe having some of the hostages released at all. >> is that acceptable to you? >> it's not acceptable that people will stay there, but we need to do everything to bring some of them home. as soon as possible. and i really don't believe that thomas will we'll do any deal from the two dna. so i think it's tried to be realistic, but it can, it can speculate this. not to us netanyahu yeah. >> what do you do you feel like he's doing everything he can help. what's your view of how not from a political perspective. but this is your dad? >> yeah. >> do you feel like they're doing everything they can to get your dad and bring him i feel that doing a lot, but i'm sure now that they missed opportunities to bring them home and i'm sure the word is missing opportunities because i think that even the mediators now it's looked like they taken a step back instead of pushing two when the deal is on the table it's looking at external step back and again, speak about humanitarian aid and not about a deal what's it like for you to come here? you're in the united states, you and i spoke on when i was in tel aviv and to see what we saw over the weekend, the anti-semitic protests blocking jewish people from being able to go in and worship and those protests that turned violent in los angeles i really hope that the american people will understand that they're in back in their backyard. what happened in israel? happened in the united states and britain everywhere. because they don't want to stop with us so i hope between make 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