it then america. thursday, july 4 dead stuff good morning. >> you were alive in the cnn newsroom. i'm jim acosta in washington. we begin the owl with presidential campaigns during a critical moment, just three days and counting until joe biden and donald trump face off in a prime time debate right here on cnn. the earliest showdown of its kind in modern history, president biden, his team will remain hunkered down at camp david, where he's then the last few days and debate prep. meanwhile, over the weekend, donald trump road-tested potential debate strategies at a rally in philadelphia how should i handle him? >> should i be tough and nasty or should i be should i be she say no, should i be tough and nasty and just say you're the worst president in history or should i be nice and calm? and let him speak be tough? so how are the two campaigns spending these final days before the debate joining me now are cnn's alayna treene and kevin lip tack. kevin, you have some new reporting about how the president is preparing to take on trump has been at camp david for a little while now, we're on day four of debate camp out in the mountains. i don't think it's any secret why president biden and spending the better part of a weak prepared caring for this debate, his campaign really thinks this is a critical moment and they know they can afford an underwhelming debate performance. any moment, any verbal slip, any mental slip is just going to be magnified under the lights of the debate stage. i think one of the real questions for anyone going into a debate with donald trump is what version of trump is going to appear on that tibi it stayed is that the feudalistic interrupting, yelling donald trump? or is it a more restrained, more presidential donald trump? and what we have been hearing from biden advisers today is that they're essentially preparing for both versions of that. they want to be ready for whatever version of trump's shows up on the debate stage. >> the way we understand this prep going, it's going to start britain formally. >> they have these binders potential questions potential answers, they're going to go through those trying sort of hone the zingers, hone the home, the comebacks eventually will come at culminate in a mock debate later in this week, we did get a glimpse the campaign put out this pretty likely memo this week, sort of outlining their strategy. i think think it's clear that there are three very specific issues that are joe biden wants to talk about in this debate. one is abortion. obviously democrats think this is the most galvanizing issue for them, and that's something that biden's going to hammer away on. what is this idea of a threat to democracy and the potential for political violence? that's been the underpinning essentially of the entire biden campaigns. so that's surprise that he's going to bring that up. and the third is the economy. this is the number one issue for voters. it's something that donald are joe biden has been relatively weak on a lot of americans don't necessarily feel the economic recovery, but it's obviously not something he's gonna be able to avoid. so all of these things i think as president biden's out at camp david, he is really kinda crystallizing sharpening what he's going to say an all these issues. >> yeah. and alaina, i mean, tell us which donald trump is going to show up. i mean, that's the big question. and how are they trying to i mean, rotations at this point, you've covered donald trump just as much as i have. you never know with him who's going to show up, but i will say they are addressing that issue in his you know, behind the scenes, they're dumping them policy discussions, but in his own version of debate prep, i know that his advisers and others have been encouraging him to rein in his rhetoric. remember in 2020 in that first debate between donald trump and joe biden donald trump was very aggressive. he barely let joe biden get a word in and we saw trump's poll numbers fall after that. a lot of people argued that trump lost that debate. and so that is definitely weighing on their minds. now, as for what kevin just ran through with the top three topics that they are discussing and the biden camp. those are the same things i'm hearing donald trump's team. and in these policy discussions that they're working through as well, the economy, abortion, his hand and delaying of january 6 and the attack on the capitol. all things they are walking through behind the scenes. now one thing that i think is really interesting is also how we're seeing the campaign. try to manage expectations. i want you to listen to some pretty vulgar language and rhetoric that donald trump used at his philadelphia rally. take a listen to what he said. >> right now, crooked joe's gone to a log cabin to study, prepare. >> no, he didn't. >> he's sleeping now because they want to get them good and strong so a little before debate time, he gets a shot. >> the and that's they wanted to strengthen them up. he'll come out. >> okay? i say he'll come out all jacked up. right all jacked so clearly this is donald trump's version of trying to raise expectations. >> often we should just be clear. i mean, there's no and you know this as well, there's no evidence that joe biden has ever taken a performance enhancing drug that he is planning to. but this is how donald trump is playing off his crowd and whatnot. but i do find it fascinating because we know for months now, donald trump himself, but also his team have been painting joe biden as this weak and feeble candidate arguing he's senile, that he can barely stand on the debate stage for the 90 minutes. that is allotted on thursday. but now they're recognizing that's actually not working in their favor because the bar will be too low for joe biden. so we're seeing them try to raise expectations and i think i know throughout this week they're going to have a lot of donald trump surrogates and advisors on the airwaves trying to do exactly that. >> all right. yeah. they have to pick one. is it senile is a jacked up. its gets one or the other at this point, aren't guys, so thank you very much. let's discuss now now with the democratic strategist, chuck rohde and cnn senior political commentator scott jennings chuck, i mean, what do you make of all of this? and also the rhetoric that trump is using heading into this debate. i mean, it almost sounds like he's road testing a new birth. or lie with this jacked up business people will say always just joking, but i mean they're saying it over and over again. nobody's ever made this kind of allegation about joe biden, his entire political career, even though he's been in washington for 50 plus years, it's what makes it so hard to prepare for him. and i think that's why joe biden's taken so much time to prepare. i've done debate prep before you look at all the statements and things that somebody doesn't normally as a campaign, they have a professional team are random when they stay on a certain message. you never know what you're gonna get out of donald trump's. you have to prepare for everything to the point. the two folks were just talking about which one of the donald trump's actually show up. and then how do you actually debate prep against somebody that spews so much misinformation or disinformation. i think that's the biggest challenge for joe biden. >> yeah, scott, i mean, what's with all this jacked up business? running commentary on the right since the state of the union, when biden came out rather aggressively yelling at the congress that night. so i think trump is riffing off of that joke that's been going around in republican circles. >> i think chuck, by the way, is exactly right. >> and if you go back to about how to prepare, because he go back to 2020, there were two debates it's trump, won and trump two were two totally different versions. he crater his campaign and the first one, but in the second one he did fine. he was subdued by the way, in that one, there was one similar rule, muted microphones. and i think trump actually won the second debate by showing up and just kinda looking like what you would expect the president to look like. but i guess we'll have to see how they play it on thursday night. surely, they must be cognizant of how badly the first debate performance played back in 20 and you wouldn't want to repeat that on this one? >> well, yeah. >> trump has been out there and the allies with this jacked up business. let's listen to this they're going to need to goose him and juice and for him to even be able to stand there for 90 minutes by a drug test is fair game. the american people deserve transparency. there was cocaine found the white house earlier this year after all, i'm going to be demanding on behalf of many megan's up concerned americans right now that he's submit to a drug test before for an active business debates specifically looking for performance enhancing drugs, but he's gonna be at camp david for a full week before the debate. part of that is probably experimenting with just getting the doses, just strike i mean you know scott's laughing, but i find this to be a lot like the birth or lai yeah. and it just was done over and over again. and for a while there, the obama folks would laugh it off or not take it seriously. but i mean, it is they're kind of doing it with a straight face over there on fox. >> i've said this on this program before. there's an old saying in east texas, if you live long enough about having a horse eventually somebody will buy you a saddle and that's what they're kind of guarantee weight known is they think that if you talk about it enough, enough people will believe it enough undecided voters will be like, oh my god, he did so well and he was so full of energy and they've said that he's old eddies week and blah, blah, blah, that way that they can kinda cut him at his knees if he does a good job. but tomorrow, i mean, thursday is going to be about soundbites. it sounds like they're anticipating biden come out swinging, right? absolutely. yeah. of course. they look the last time we saw him on a big stage was the state of the union. he came out swinging and he was he was came out in an aggressive substance. my assumption is wasn't such a smart idea that for weeks and weeks to talk about how biden stumbling around and well, nothing often i sort of dispute that it's the trump campaign or the republicans that are setting low expectations. >> it's biden's own appearance. that's setting low expectations. i mean, why would you didn't have to go out and say he's jacked up over and over. how all surrogates saying i mean, obviously they're getting the talking points, saying this sort of thing. the other thing i wanted to get into is this weekend trump suggested that the ufc should start a migrant fight club. let's listen to that dana i have an idea for you to make a lot of money. >> you're gonna go and start a new migrant fight league. migrants only migrants and then at the end of the year, the champion migrant is going to fight your champion. and i hate to tell you, dan, i think that migrant might win. that's how tough they with it, just getting comfortable now, they're going to start hitting us very hard. these people are bad this is ugly stuff. i found a really disgusting, you know, my grandparents were immigrants. everybody's parents came here are grandparents as immigrants at some point and he just keeps doing so much red meat to the base of his party. i know what he's doing. anybody who didn't campaign for more than 30 seconds knows what he's doing. but at a certain point, it just crosses the line overnight over again and i'll see you then focus group after focus groups, about folks just thinking that he's good and crazy in this weekend, just reinforce that well in a way only donald trump can. >> he is drawing attention to the violent activity that we have seen in places all over this country. we're seeing too many gladiator movies. >> listen, i mean, you can, you can worry about it. the rhetoric, or you can worry about the murders, the rapes, the kidnappings that we've seen in a lot of these different story. this is a big part it's dehumanizing rhetoric. >> scott, would you say it is more or less dehumanizing them, murdering and raping said, well, scott, i mean, honestly, there's there's been this influx of the border and crime has been coming down in a pretty major. >> are you denying that we have had a number of incidents in this country recently or denying that crime is coming down. >> and let's kind where people are you denying climate is coming down as there's this influx at the border, are you denying that? >> i'm not denying. i'm not denying sticks, but i'm also here to say that there are important, they're important story non-migrant people commit crime sky, of course. of course, what do we do about that i think all i think all violent criminal should be cracked down on but but are you are you saying that immigration and the impacts of this, the illegal i'm just saying what part of this i'm just saying why in the hell is one of the two presidential candidates talking about putting migrants into gladiator fight lake experiences. >> why is that even going on? >> i think he has to create a fear. i think that what you see is there has to be a fear. there has to be a fear of part of this. and when you see a group of folks that they're really worried about on the other side of the now let's take just for example moderate voters in the suburbs of philadelphia, like he's going to lose those women because of dobbs and choice, but he has to figure out a way strategically to get them back in creating this fear factor about what's going on at our southern border is just one of the ways that they'll do that. >> he's not creating the fear. the fear is being created indeed by the circumstances. we do have a crisis at the southern border. people had been murdered. they have been raped, they had been kidnapped. and so the fear comes from the actual news, if donald trump wants to talk, i mean, if you are running a campaign against an incumbent who was overseeing this crazy, but nobody is denying there's a problem at the border. >> the question is after family separations and everything else we've seen during the trump presidency, the trump experience are talking about deportation camps in this country fight clubs. i mean, come on at what point does your side say enough is enough on that kind of rhetoric? it's humanize it. what point are the republicans going to stop drawing attention to what they think is joe biden's biggest. so you're you're, you're okay with this. >> you're all right with it migrant phi clubs. >> this is not a serious he's clearly joking at these rallies, but he's drawing attention to something that's no laughing matter. and that's the violence being committed against the number of people. >> i think you supposed to bring a solution instead of talking about a fat club or something, there's so degrading like that. let's talk about a solution, figure out what's going on at the border, like joe biden has done is saying, if so many immigrants are coming in per day, we will shut the border down. that's what joe biden said. but he also said that we can help just last week. he said, if you're married to a us citizens, let's make you a citizen like these are solutions. people won't answers two solutions, not rhetoric of fight clubs. what are we going to do? >> all right, guys, thanks a lot. appreciate it. thank you. were just three days away from the first presidential debate of the year hosted by cnn. don't mess president joe biden, full president donald trump going head-to-head this thursday, june 27 at 9:00 p.m. right here on cnn coming up, reproductive rights as a rallying cry, the nationwide push from the biden campaign. today, exactly two years after roe so vs wade was overturned. that's next the 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fallen veterans, quote suckers and losers during the 2020 debates, then candidate biden took those comments head-on a defending his late sons memory. take a look and speaking of my son, the way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers and being and just being suckers. >> my son was in iraq he spent a year there he got he got the bronze star. he got to conspicuous service medal. he was not a loser. he was a patriot, and the people left behind. there were heroes really, and i resent talking like, hell, are you talking talking about my son, beau biden? >> join me now, is democratic congressman jason crow of colorado. he is an army veteran and currently serves on the house intelligence and foreign affairs committees. congressman, thanks very much for coming in and being with us really three share with you what i mean, what do you think it's this? comes up again trump has been claiming lately, he never said any of this, even though it's been confirmed by the record by john kelly and others how should the president handle this? should he bring it up? should it come up? >> i think it should come up. i hope it comes up because america needs to know that donald trump is not only a risk to our national security and risk to the american people, but he disparages and maligns our fallen heroes constantly over and over and over again. i share president biden's disdain and just complete completely appalled by this my fallen friends from iraq and afghanistan deserve better than donald trump's treatment in trouble is likely to go after the president's foreign policy record. talk about the wars in ukraine and what's happening right now in gaza i mean, americans are if you look at the poles, they're starting to say they don't want to see the us as heavily involved in providing aids. do ukraine aid to ukraine, and that sort of thing how do you see that debate shape? >> i hope foreign policy and national security comes up. it should come up, it must come up. this is a major issue on the campaign this year. and i sleep better at night knowing that joe biden sits in the white house and not donald trump i mean, there's plenty of record during donald trump's presidency to know the threat that he poses from aligning and threatening to pull out of nato. to the way he handled iran to his disparagement of our military de to giving up secrets to russia and saying he'll welcome russia doing whatever they want to do in europe. there is a lot of stuff to talk about, and i hope president biden brings the heat that donald trump, because he deserves it. >> yeah. and speaking of bringing the heat, i mean, what is your response when you hear trump and all these circuits we played this sound earlier on in the program of not just trump, but surrogates on fox and so on making this claim that the president's going to be jacked up and getting injections. obviously, none of that has ever i mean, there's several been established that joe biden does any of those thanks how should the president handle it if donald trump brings us up on thursday? but that'll trump is going to lie because that's what he does, right? >> he allies any lies, any lies? >> so joe biden needs to do what he always does, remain calm, tell the truth, be consistent and be steady. >> people will see that you can't control donald trump the person has a sociopath. he is a serial liar. joe biden will do what he has to do, and that is stay focused and the american people stay focused on working class asked americans and our national security. >> and i mean, what do you make of the fact that the mics are going to be muted some of the ground rules for this debate well, i think that's positive because human you debate somebody like donald trump and i've had debates with folks like this, right when you wouldn't they start losing on the substance than they raise their voice, than they attack the other person. >> then they tried to cut them off, right? this needs to be about the substance because that's what the american people deserve. so some of these ground rules are important because their designed to ensure that people hear what they need to hear. people answer questions, and they give the other person their due time and how big of a moment is this for president biden on thursday, i mean, if you look at the polls, if you listened to what voters saying anecdotally, there, there are some concerns about the president's age and so on. as you saw during the state of the union speech, he addressed a lot of those concerns, came out pretty pumped up and that seemed to allay the fears inside the democratic party. how big of a moment is this for the president on but the rates are always really important. i think this is going to be one of the few opportunities the americans will be able to see both of the candidates in the extreme contrast between the two, i can't think of a bigger contrast than joe biden, whose career in public service, whose empathy and compassion as a human, as a father as a leader contrast, so significantly with the defect of character and the danger of someone like donald trump. so it's a contrast. i'm looking forward to seeing what is, what does success look like for the present? i think getting the message about not only character, that character does matter, it does matter whether or not someone tells the truth. it does matter whether or not somebody is trustworthy. it does matter whether or not they have a reputation with our partners and allies around the world. that's number one. number two it's telling you the story about the infrastructure investments we made, about how he came into office and helped pull this out of the pandemic and governed with respect and governed by putting good people into these jobs and then talking about the danger that donald trump poses things like project 2025. donald trump has a plan and something called project 2025, that if he comes into office, he will replace lifetime civil servants, people who know how to do things like keep our food safe, keep our airlines safe, to do inspections to address pandemics and he will replace them with loyalists. that is their plan. it's actually a written plan. their litmus test under a second trump administration is to put people in office who are loyal to donald trump, period. that is not a government that the american people need or want. it's very dangerous all right, congressman jason crow, great to talk. he has always and thanks for coming in person. really appreciate it. good to see it in the meantime, when donald trump and joe biden last faced off on the debate stage, it was a bit of a dumpster fire as the candidates kept interrupting one another. did you use the word smart so you said you went to delaware state but you forgot the name of your college. you didn't go to delaware state, you graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class, don't ever use the word smart with me. there's nothing smart about eugene. >> i'm not here to call out his lies. everybody knows he's a liar, but you i just want i want to make sure that you wanted lasting it lasts, for instance i want to make sure. can you let him finish, sir? he doesn't know how to do that. he has been all right. you pick be surprised, guy the wrong night at the wrong time. >> just keep yapping man andrew, me now is republican debate coach or media strategies. >> brett o'donnell, bread. i understand you helped mitt romney and former president george w bush prepare for their debates. this, this one's a slightly different kind of debate. >> what do you think well, it is and i actually think the fact that the microphones will be cut off when someone is speaking and it's not their turn. >> helps donald trump because it'll be a disincentive for him to not speak over joe biden. so i actually think that rule helps favor of former president trump and do you think he's gonna be able to keep his cool the former president of his mic as being muted at certain points during the debate well, i would hope that both of them would keep their cool because the debate shouldn't be about each other. >> it should be about the american people. they really need to stay focused on the issues joe biden needs to make this election a choice between him donald trump, and donald trump isn't a different spot now than he was in 2020. he's not the incumbent. he needs to make this a referendum on joe biden and his policies. i think if they can stay substantive, it'll be a debate that benefits the american people let's play another viral moment from the first 2020 debate. here's then former vice president joe biden responding to a question about whether he would add justices to the supreme court. let's listen the issue is the american people should speak. you should go out and vote you're in voting now, vote and let your senators know how you feel it. let vote now in a pact to make sure you in fact, let people know. here's were senator russia. i'm not going to answer the question because the question justice rational left would you may son who is on your list? you, don't you write, gentlemen, i think pack the court i mean there's an example of where the mic meeting might come into play right there, but we're set to get these landmark supreme court rulings ahead of thursday's debate. >> might get one right on the day of the debate, including a potential decision on whether trump is immune from prosecution you have to think they're preparing for that absolutely. i mean, there's all sorts of rulings coming down the pike that had significant impact on the presidential election in 2024, whether or not the president's immune and all of those things could play into the debate. what has to happen in the debate though it has to be civil. joe biden needed to answer that question, but the president needed to properly litigate back much as opposed to you not appear rude i've said that it's the good debater in politics is aggressive but not offensive. that's how people will judge to wins or loses this debate. but they've got a tie their issues to the american people and how they impact them in terms of their lives. what makes their lives better? >> yeah. and brought i have to ask i mean, i guess easy to critique these things from a conventional campaigning standpoint, but this past weekend and for the last several days, the president has been sort of hold up camp david doing a lot of debate prep you have about a week of debate prep under his belt before going into the debate is that a good idea is over preparation. perhaps not a good idea. and what about trump being out on the campaign trail? i suppose he's probably doing some debate prep, but not as much as the president. what do you think well, debate prep is individual to the candidate. >> you need to do what best serves them. and makes them feel like they are the most ready to go into that debate and execute the strategy that you want them to execute. >> both of these men, nita to frame the race. >> neither has really framed up this election in terms of what the issues are they want to run on, why they should be granted. four more years in office and frame the race against the other as well. so i think whatever prep works for your candidate is what you have to do, whether it's with john mccain, we never did any mock debates. button, but we did around the table talk about questions, talk about things that arguments that he wanted to make him the debate. but then with others like george w bush and others, mock debates were a part of the process. you just have to do what best serves your candidate all right. >> broader, donald, thank you very much, really appreciate it thanks. >> good to be with you. >> all. right good to be with you and we're just three days away from the first presidential debate of the year hosted by cnn, president biden former president donald trump head-to-head this thursday, june 27th, at 9:00 p.m. right here on cnn. don't 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become a hallmark of his campaign last time he his fraudulent call to stop the steal results so then a deadly insurrection. >> now he's pushing baseless accusations once again, months before a single vote is cast they rigueur or cheat. >> this not a lot you gonna do about that other than you have to stop at now, we have to stop at second time. i want the vote garden. i want to still stopped because we don't need the votes. we have the votes, we have more votes. what i don't want is as votes to disappear, they disappear. and new votes appear brilliantly appear you know, you're, you're the police in a way you can be here, you can police your vote. if i knew that everything would be honorable and honest as it should be, i'd stopped campaigning right now. we have this thing one in four years. you don't have to vote, okay. we'll have it all straightened out so it'll be much different. >> cnn political commentator and former republican congressman adam kinzinger joins me now. adam, good to see you again as always i mean, i was we've talked about this so many times. you've served on the january 6 committee what what do you make of and what your response to trumping out on the campaign trail saying things like police, the vote, guard your vote, protect your vote. >> i mean, it's it's the same zombie lie so coming back to haunt us here yeah. >> jim, i mean, look, he is a complete we know this. this isn't a surprise. he's a deep nurse assist this is a man that only cares about himself he only cares about his reputation. the fact that he could possibly lose. he's trying to initially inoculate people against believing that he lost because he's a loser. but the other thing that does, which we saw in 2020, is it does convince people that an election was stolen when you look in a self-governing society, we have to know that our vote counts and that that however gets the most votes is going to win. if you convince a significant amount of the population that their vote doesn't count violence is the inevitable next step. it's not a surprise. this is an epic failure not obviously just by dr that'll trump he's a flawed, broken man. but by the many republican leaders that have sat back and not pushed back against this lie from basically the election in 2020 till today, because they do not want it to affect their personal position in power. and so all of the republican base here is what donald trump is saying yeah, we've had lots of elections since 2020, a midterm election cycle in 2022 no fraud. >> everything went just fine. people got re-elected let me ask you something else. >> adam trunk, trump spoke over the weekend at the evangelical faith and freedom coalition of washington and suggesting is being targeted for his beliefs. >> let's listen if i took this shared of you'd see a beautiful, beautiful person. but you'd see wounds all over, all over me. >> i've taken a lot of wounds. i can more than i suspect any president ever trump was treated the worst. andrew jackson second, and abraham lincoln there. but i definitely took taps, but i took and i'm honored to do it yeah, adam, what do you make of this? talk of wounds appealing to christian conservatives with this imagery of having wounds all over his body well, let me say he's trying to compare himself. did jesus christ? that's what that is. he is trying to talk, you know, jesus christ was whipped, had wounds all over his body, and as you know, there are so many people out there in the evangelical movement. i consider myself a strong christian but i don't worship donald trump. i worship jesus christ. and the difference is this jesus was a tough person who stood strong, who turn the other cheek when that was tough to do. >> donald trump is the weakest wind gust, smallest complaining victim is person ever. and even stand in front of a group of christians and say, an essence look at my wounds, and i've been treated worse than abraham lincoln mean, if that goes to show how this man thinks of himself? to think that he is even anywhere in the neighborhood of abraham lincoln. it goes to show how truly flawed he is. and that's why america has really big decision in november and in my mind, hopefully they don't go with the narcissist well, i mean, he's saying this at a faith and family and freedom forum i mean, gathering of christian conservatives. he's relying heavily on conservative religious leaders to port him in november he's talking about supporting louisiana's do ten commandments law about posting of the ten commandments and every class or what was your response to that? >> look at. >> this is also a failure from the pulpit, by the way, jim, because there should be pastors and local churches pushing back against this garbage. look, let me tell you about the ten commandments david french recently wrote an article where he said, look, i went to school when the ten commandments were required to be posted on the wall and not once did we talk about the ten commandments and how we should follow them because we see them on the wall. >> it's one thing if these were being if these were being pushed in louisiana as a way to like kinda give people a general guide how to live. >> don't kill, don't steal it. that's all good stuff. but what it's being done and you see it in jeff landry, the governor of louisiana's words, this is being done as a quote, own the lives, or to tick people off. he says, oh, i can't wait until i get sued and go to court this is not the point of the ten commandments, so you can put your middle finger up to the rest of the world all right, adam kinzinger, thanks very much. great to talk to you as always. appreciate it you bet. >> yeah. >> all right. and we are three days away from cnn's presidential debate in atlanta. how both candidates are preparing as the clock ticks down. we have some new reporting on all of that. our coverage continues after a short break the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher. 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