hello, vii to three-to-one, three-to-one and today, debate night in america begins june 27 at seven closed captioning brought to you by thunder shirt, constant gentle pressure for a calmer pet. >> if your dog suffers from fear of thunder, fireworks, separation, or any other anxieties, thunder shirt can help thunder shirts find it. retailers like pet smart pardon, petco welcome to the second hour of laura coates live remember when i told you that republicans were expecting donald trump to outline maybe a second term agenda today, when of course, he met with all of them on the hill he made a few points here and there, but mainly he went off topic like real off-topic he talked about taylor swift question her support for president biden though, to be clear, she hasn't endorsed anyone this year according to people in the room, trump said, why would she endorse this dope? >> he has a know how to get off a stage. he talks about nancy pelosi, but in a bizarre way. and again, the story he told, apparently not true according to people in the room, trump said pelosi's daughter, once told him the he and the former house speaker would have had a great romance in another life. >> q the lady gaga. >> plus his daughter, christine, immediately posted to say speaking for all four pelosi daughters this it's a lie. but wait, there's more because trump also talked about hannibal lecter called him a nice guy. now, this, he's actually said before, by the way the late great hannibal lecter is a wonderful man. he oftentimes would have a friend for dinner like a dad joke. >> okay. >> and then trump decided to criticize the city that's actually hosting the republican national convention. he apparently called milwaukee horrible city a while referencing crime and election issues. there, though again, we don't know what election issues he's talking about. >> the mabel walk. he told me this just last hour there's a company here called the milwaukee pretzel company. and as i heard all the responses from republicans are in the room. they were twisting themselves into so many different ways, kind of remind me of a pretzel but the fact of the matter is this milwaukee is an excellent city so to recap, he complained about the city of milwaukee taylor swift gave some weird story about nancy pelosi and brought up hannibal lecter all unprovoked for republicans in attendance were also unbothered. >> in fact, they said it was a great day there was a pep rally environment for president trump. frankly some of his critics were in the room and we're supporting so it's a good thing so what does trump say on policy that's what i would like to know. >> well, today he told republicans to follow their hearts on abortion. he floated the concept of getting rid of the income tax and funding the government with tariffs instead. and said, he'd undo biden electric vehicle mandates. but there is much more to the plans for a second trump term, right? even if he didn't necessarily articulated today. join me now seen an opinion contributor and former house republican investigative committee counsel sophia nelson, former especial system to president biden, meghan hayes, and c then felkel a commentator and hyde, deputy chief of staff under trump administration. sure. michael singleton, glad to have all of you here. of course, all the different like pop-ups that were coming around me, it was like pool the h1 pop-up videos, right. which oh god, that just aged me. whatever you remember as i can about maybe not you shall my gloss start with you, michael can you give me hell are being a little bit old? >> whatever let's talk about project 2025 for a second, because this has really become a blueprint for the trump second term. it was written by the heritage foundation some of the highlights include, while it proposes the entire federal bureaucracy be placed under direct presidential control, including the justice department. it purges federal workers. it increase funding for the border wall, cut climate research funding, and democrats say this would be kind of a wrecking ball to democratic norms. how do you see this project 2025 min a lot of it is wishful thinking. i mean, i know quite a few of the folks over at heritage who worked on writing the final product and they're hoping to accomplish some of this stuff. but for anyone who's worked in government, we all know that there but checks and balances for a reason, most of this, you cannot do without the legislative branch. if trump were to win in november, more than likely democrats are going to show the house probably by a pretty comfortable majority. i would argue so again, wishful thinking, but i just don't see how they legislatively would accomplish most of this. well, who's wishes this? >> i think it's donald trump's question, but i also think that this isn't something that's going to play to those undecided voters. and as nikki haley on undecided voters, this is something that plays towards their base and i just think it's not a smart strategy to put all this out there when the people they actually need to vote for them. this is not what they believe this polls terribly with independence. >> let me ask you on this because this is a picture they say is worth 1,000 words. you look at it so phi i want to take a look at trump for a moment and senator mitch mcconnell, they're shaking hands and the two i have not spoken directly probably since the end of 2020. >> i love the great deep exhale you just gave. >> explain what that psi was about. yeah. i mean, anybody that remembers the second impeachment trial when the senate decided not to convict mitch mcconnell took to the floor and gave this amazing speech about the criminal law, right? >> and how it would hold him responsible. and then after january 6, mitch mcconnell said he was responsible. his own wife resigned from the cabinet he was disgusted in nepal, but now he shakes his hand as if nothing has happened. you said it was wishful thinking. it's i can't say this on tv. it's crazy thinking. >> and it is not something that you're absolutely right plays two it will america or two independent voters, it is to raw meat of the base and inherited wrote it tells you everything you need to know. >> i mean, they're the most conservative think tank. i can say arguably in the united states, this point, well, what do you think is behind his decision to have that be public? is it that he has had a one at viewpoint about trump or that he is recognizing something about republican voters mitch mcconnell is the most craven senate majority, minority leader we have ever had. >> his recklessness and his relentless in taking the seats that were rightly barack obama's two zero point to the supreme court and then doing what they did to then reverse that when it was time for trump up for reelection, they let him go ahead and appointed justice i mean, he just is raul make it politics. he has no shame and that's what that picture represents. it's a disgrace for an 80 something year-old man who should be thinking about his legacy. and what he's going to leave, because this is what he's going to leave. and it's also doesn't mince words by the way, i want you to comment on this and enter less shiny because she said that's the former congresswoman. >> she didn't mince words about this where union why would your larger point that i want you both to comment on, please posting this on x and part mitch mcconnell knows trump provoked the violent attack on our capitol. he knows trump committed a disgraceful, their election of duty unquote and as a danger to our republic, trump who has collaborators will be defeated and history will remember the shame of people like leader mcconnell, who enabled them. that's quite the scathing remark. the point about legacy how do you see this play? >> yeah, i don't think the minority leader is thinking about it from that perspective. i mean, he's on his way out and he's thinking about being on the cusp of retiring with a republican senate majority. i know a lot of people have issues with mitch mcconnell, but in terms of rob political tactics, the guy has been incredibly successful, whether you agree with his positioning or not. he's probably going to go down in history. laura is one of the most successful majority slash minority leaders in terms of his accomplishments for the republican party, meghan, i mean, i just think that this is disgraceful. it's politicians due, but this is politics at best right here, and he's being a politician. and yes, he's being successful and he is looking towards his senate seat because he does want to leave the senate and the majority but this is, i mean, this is just very political. i go back to my friend liz cheney when she was talking on january 6 committee, she said there will come a time with donald trump. >> trump will be gone, but your shame will remain. and asked joseph mccarthy how it worked out for him. asked richard nixon how it worked out for him asked george wallace how it worked out from the moment it looks good when you're doing the nasty stuff and you're doing raul politics. but it doesn't look good in the books of history. and i just think that mitch mcconnell has no center, no oh, no core. and that is today's republican party. and i say this as somebody who spent 25 years of my life in that party. >> yeah. i also think that the people in the room, we're going to be not forgiving to mitch mcconnell if he didn't go forward and embrace donald trump here. so i just think, but he doesn't really have stuck between a rock and a hard spot here. and i mean, i agree with you that his legacy and what he's gonna go down in history. i just don't think that people in the room are also going to be forgiving him. >> i don't think another thing mcconnell wants to maintain it this way and the party right now and we republicans in the senate or argument about who's going to be the next minority or majority leader. the last thing mcconnell wants to see a diminishment of his cui to choose individual that he he wants versus someone like sinner to scott out of florida for mcconnell? absolutely doesn't want well, you look at this. >> i mean, also are talking about the legacy and obviously the supreme court you mentioned the supreme court had a pretty consequential ruling today. one of the two cases that are before this court falling the dobbs decision and it was about mifepristone in particular. and this issue of reproductive rights obviously continued needs to be top of mind for voters. frankly, across the aisle. meghan, what do you see as a significance of this particular ruling and what it could do too? in tastes voters to come out to vote. >> i think that this was the best supreme court could do here and where they are completely thing out of the politics of this. republicans know this is a losing issue. this is why donald trump today said that you'd vote for what's in your harb do within your heart here. he knows and is being repeatedly told over and over again from folks that this is a losing issue for them. i think the supreme court i'm not exactly sure why the supreme court heard the case. if they knew that people didn't have standing originally, i'm not a legal scholar, so i'm not exactly sure how that works. but this is i'm trying to stay out of politics, but this is a losing issue for republicans. but laura, once again, trump is double minded, unstable in all his ways. >> what he says is, i am the guy that undid roe versus wade and he's proud about it. when he's talking to one group. but then he says, this is a lose an issue for us. we need to have exceptions, we need to be more like reagan. you need to vote your conscious so he's trying to have it both ways. so who is donald trump? who is mitch mcconnell? who are these people that's the problem i'm having here. i don't know what to believe because it changes every day definitely lose an issue and electoral yeah. day i idf issue to me congressional election, we lose election after election until your point. i mean, i think if you look out republican policies, evangelicals really have had an outsized sway, particularly during the trump administration and now as a party is trying to move back to the middle is really difficult, laura, it's like the story of the dog, catch it out with the car right here you are. what's next? >> what about the ivf issue? you're both all talking about this issue and all that to senate republicans? block the democratic effort to try to protect ivf access nationwide today. and notably republican senator markwayne mullin, who actually has a personal story and ivf story, voted no. and he called this effort by democrats, quote, a calculated attempt to scare the american people through a summer of show vote what do you say to this being performative? is that what democrats are doing? >> no. i think that there actually trying to protect reproductive freedom for women. i don't think that they are trying to do anything performative. if here and it's been democrats can take this on november and this is a winning issue. so i'm not sure why they would like voting on it now it's actually not the exact opposite of performative. they are trying to reject these rights is not a republican candidate for reelection or running for a seat who wants to be talking about reproductive rights because they know it's not a winning issue. i've talked to a plethora friends, or campaign strategy he's working on races across the country and they were preferred to talk about kitchen table issues and not this chair, michael, why not extend an olive branch and protect ivf pro-life people? i know pro-life into their kids because ivf so i don't understand this not reaching out saying, well, let's do something to at least show that we're not so over the top, but they moderation, right? none mountains right for them to do today would have been very smart. >> what a could've should've megan's are michael. >> thank you. both are. thank you. a3 so much. next, there's a new reporting tonight donald trump is apparently trying to the pressure speaker mike johnson to do his bidding and use congress to find ways to overturn his state level conviction democratic congresswoman stacy plaque, it is here to discuss in just a moment. >> presidents, the former under our leadership, the forgotten man and what we'll be forgotten. he no longer the current democracy is still a sacred car. there's no concrete in the world better positioned to lead the world on america. >> who will be the next, the most anticipated moment of this? selection, the weight only cnn can bring it to you, moderated by jake tapper, in dana bash to cnn presidential debates thursday, june 27, live on cnn and streaming on max. >> everyone sees meanwhile, at a vrbo when other vacation rentals are just for likes, try one, you'll actually like three, body serie a city client uses city's financial expertise to help drive its growth and keep its supply chain moving. >> some more pet parents can get everything they need, right when they need it. keeping more pets and families happy for the love of i mean, our clients forward for the love of progress if you have chronic kidney disease, you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with par sega because there places you'd like to be for seeker can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections and low blood sugar a rare life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur, stopped taking four sika and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of disinfection and allergic reaction or ketone west, the doses organic soil from miracle grow has grown me the best garden i have ever had good soil and you get good results. look at that. the broccoli was fantastic. >> that broccoli, i think some of them were 67 pounds you have an excellent warren g warranty blurring she hey, you gotta go, you must have american home shield that you know, i can tell you appliances and home systems are protected, covered repairs and replacements taken care of. >> what and she never lies he cookie dough american home shield, don't worry, be warranty billy the kid. >> it's trying to take over the town what it needs is clean it up. >> they've appointed in here sheriff pat garrett, mean something to you sure. >> does use the royal would billy knows your job to haunt them down a long? 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federal court. and it sounds awfully a specific for a reason. right. but that's not all. speaker johnson now appears willing to go after special counsel jack smith using the appropriate creations process. i mean, that he was unwilling to do is recently is just a month ago. i so get rights democratic congresswoman stacy plastic representing the us virgin islands. she's also on the house select subcommittee on weaponization of the federal government. congressman, thank you so much for being here today. welcome. how are you? i'm great. i'm glad that you're here. thank you for coming. and this reporting from politico about the president lobbying speaker johnson perhaps is unsurprising that he would want that help yet the type of help to help overturn a state-level conviction. sure how can he will he can't they're trying to change the law. >> they're trying to change the basic jurisprudence and judiciary system that we have in this country. and even more shocking is it's the fact that a republican would want the federal government to use syrup, a states rights, right, which seems anathema to the republican party. but this is being played out over and over again on the weaponization committee. we're having hearings based upon provocations from individuals like steve bannon and others who on their podcasts will constantly tell him jordan mike, mike johnson, what are you guys doing? you need to be going going after this. and it's a projection on their part. the weaponization of the federal government is actually being executed by jim jordan, mike johnson, and donald trump himself. >> now all three likely would believe that to be nothing further from the truth. they are holding khamenei expect especially your colleague congressman jordan now on this very issue, and he is actually looking at the manhattan da alvin bragg to have him come in and testify he wanted that to happen today. he's instead coming after the sentencing of the former president donald trump. he's agreeing to voluntarily testified first of all, do you think that's a good idea? and especially given what you know about the goals of your republican colleagues for this committee well, i think that at every turn when they have these hearings, it ends up falling short of what they they've wanted whether it's an indictment of president biden whether it's the indictment or impeachment of any number of cabinet members, they fall short because they do not have the facts. >> you can have as many opinions as you want. but the fact still remain as facts and i think that that's something that's going to be borne out by district attorney alvin bragg. i can't state for him whether or not i think it's a good or bad idea. i believe that there should be a separation between between what happens in our judiciary and what happens with our legislature. but my assumption is that he believes after that, here after the sentencing, that he would be free to answer at least some of those questions as well present to the american people which is really the audience that jim jordan is looking for. how in fact this case was valid. >> but one of the questions that seems to keep coming up, we heard this narrative, frankly, throughout the trial, and that was about a man by the name of michael colangelo's hello and the theory goes at the department of justice specifically placed this person into a state prosecution to be a kind of disruptive mole in an additive in some ways i am concerned as a viewer and member of the electorate, when you look at everything that how does one disprove the negative? >> how, what would be a enough for the committee for that to actually suggest there's the absence of anything to support it, right? we'll be enough. well, it's never going to be enough because they have in fact invented things that are not in fact facts that are not truth. >> and they believe that if they say them over and over and over again eventually they'll stick in the american people's mine. are job on my side as the ranking member has been two constantly at each and every point identify falsehoods let the american people know that their fault as well show them the what in fact, the truth is and what the facts are. what i find so interesting about this entire thing with de a bragg is the continual placement of other individuals on him as if he as a district attorney does not have the intellect or the capacity himself to be able to prosecute this case, whether it's george soros, whether it's merrick garland whether it's cholangiogram, any of a number of people who are not, in fact a black man who was the prosecutor in this case, and that it has to he has to in fact be the pawn of other people i find it offensive that they don't think that he has been able to do this. and in fact, we've seen that now a jury of 12 manhattan residents of varying degrees of educational work experience believed what alvin bragg's office put forward and found former president donald trump guilty of all 34 counts. >> interestingly, when you raise the issue of the intersection of race and the approaches he blur taking too craft narratives and then perpetuate it. you hear this not just with alvin bragg, the de, an manhattan, you certainly have heard this in fulton county. and fani willis has become outspoken on her perception that this she herself is being targeted. letitia, based on race james dozen other person as example, we could frankly go through a number of people on that very front. i wanted to listen to what she had to say. fani willis, the fulton county de a just recently about the proceeding the perception of the attacks they get mad when i call out, their lunacy i mean, you can't on me and tell me it's raining vision i live the experience of a black woman who is that. and over sexualized what do you make of her statements there? >> does that ring true to you? and just what you've been seeing in the experience, obviously, her case against trump is stalled and she is up for reelection in november. and the appeals court holding it indefinitely in limbo at the moment. sure. what do you think about what she said to say? >> well, i think that that's something that a lot of women of color experience in their professional lives, particularly if you are attacking an individual that is not a black woman. if you are going after or holding accountable a white male you wouldn't believe the amount of phone calls that our office gets or comments that come after me when i'm holding in jim jordan accountable when i'm as performing my duties as the ranking member and pushing back against him. then all kinds of comments related to my not being a professional and everyone knows i do not raise my voice in that scenario and i'm always speaking in a very collegial professional tone but i'm disrespectful i don't know my place. i need to go back to where i came from. all of those kinds of comments which are to degrade the veracity of what it is that we're saying. and it's just an angle at which they use them. i'm sure they come up with many others for other people of other races their genders. but that one seems to be a particular one, that they're very happy to fall into. i think that fani willis is speaking her truth. i know that she is focused on her case and whether it's stalled or not, justice still continues. we've seeing that on a number of times in a number of instances, whether it's the case that has happened in new york or all of the cases that have happened in new york. the stalled matter on the classified documents, which i believe is it's probably one of the strongest cases. and we'll we'll, we'll see what happens in all of them. >> will congresswoman thank you for first articulating what so many professional women of color indoor, daily, daily, moment by moment, but also for taking the time to join me i appreciate it. thank you. congresswoman stacy, class. get up next the high-profile corruption trial of a democrat and the wild testimony 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will be tried separately with her trial to begin in august. but so far, multiple witnesses of length menendez to criminal involvement and the government's star witness, a man by the name of jose. you're a uribe testified that it's september 2019 meeting. he flat-out bribe the senator hilal, just a mendez asked him for names of associates that he wanted shielded from prosecution joining me now, dana defelipe filipo, a senior reporter for the new jersey monitor, who has been in the court covering the trial. also with me, at least adamson, a former federal prosecutor let me begin with you here, dana, because you have been in court nearly every day of this trial has been more than a month. tell me more about this testimony from this star witness, your ob because there was an anecdote of some kind about menendez summoning at the time because then girlfriend may dean with some kind of a bell what happened there? sure. so at the time the senator and nadine menendez, we're just stating. >> and so this was her house and she set up a meeting between the senator and jose uribe and her backyard so he came over to the house she went back in the house the men were sitting on the patio, the back patio for about an hour. they had over cups of grand munya, a and he said they talked a little bit about everything, but his main ask was, can you help me with this investigation into my friend and he was worried the investigation would reach his own company. he he was an insurance broker and he was concerned that it would reach his own company and so at this meeting, i guess the senator desk well, who's involved, what are the names of the companies? they didn't have paper. and so he said, the senator shouted mono more, which is his nickname for nadine. that's one of the things that's come out in this trial is all their nicknames for each other, which i'd rather not hear and she she he the senator then picked up a little bell and rang it and that apparently summons his girlfriend, nadine, to come outside and he said, we need some paper so she went and got paper and that's how the bell came into testimony. and it's been in the words of one of the defense attorneys he called it a super weird story. so even the defense thinks it's super weird the idea of being summoned by a bell. >> i have to reserve my comments on that for a moment. just go right to the heart of the matter and leaves me bring you in here because i'm cross-examination menendez is attorney open by asking your a obey your a very good liar, aren't you? and he made allegations about prescription drug use and tried to undermine the credibility. what do you make of that tactic? would it be effective here? >> yeah, i think this just demonstrates both the power and the pitfall of a cooperating witness. right. so just zooming out for a moment. the defense had to start that way because your race testimony, it was very he directly linked the senator to this bribery scheme which had been lacking in some of the other witnesses so it's indirect, but more his wife, nadine, and here you're a obey kind of closed that link. and so that's the power of the cooperating witness because they're the inside man in the conspiracy in cases like these. but just by virtue of being a cooperator, we already know they're coming with baggage. they have been charged, they have their testified under cooperation agreement. and here you're bay was even more damage because he has guilt prior convictions for fraud. and so yes, he has pled guilty. and so that is a proper question for the defense to ask. it immediately starts undermining his credibility and we just saw this at length in the father trial of former president donald trump with michael cohen. but we also saw in that trial that sometimes well, it's an effective tactic. it's not enough for the jury to completely discredit them. >> and we saw that in the conviction in that case. and of course, another manhattan courtroom, were you have been dana at this trial, has been going going on for a month now. i mean, there have been weeks of testimony in there might still be accessed in my left as well. >> do you get a sense of how the jury is taking all this information in? so they've been interesting to watch the sum of the testimony has definitely been very dry there. they had a whole section on dna, a whole section on fingerprints, on there, even talking about the series numbers of dollar bills. and they have experts that come in and talk to talk to the court about it. and the testimony is so dry that some people or they definitely look bored, some of them are nodding off. but there's been other great, really interesting moments where the prosecutors wanted to show like all the cash and gold bars that they had seized from the couple's home because the senator moved into nadine tome and they actually pass it around in evidence bags and they were they got to feel it through through the evidence bags. they got to feel the heft of it. they got to see he would've gold bar looks like close up and there were definitely some some they definitely perked up for that and looked really interested so they definitely seem to be, for the most part engaged, except when it veers into the science of things, which is important, but definitely the drier part of the testimony so far well dana alyse, i know quite well what the battle of law and order and csi, when you've got the case that the crime identified the defendant, everything wrapped up and 48 minutes with commercials at a potty break, all and one and then you had a real trial that actually happens dana affiliate ball and elise adamson. >> thank you both so much. >> thank you up next, caitlin clark sounding off about the weaponization of her name in the culture wars just treating every single woman is league with the same amount of respect i think is just a basic human thing that everybody should do the assignment with audie cornish, listen wherever you get your podcasts calling some people 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well, a similar question i wanted from your sample, how you feel about people using the yarn name in whatever culture wars or whatever rewards. >> how do you feel that it's not something i can control. >> so i don't put too much thought and time into thinking about things like that. to be honest. so i don't see a lot of it so what happened from this morning to tonight well, maybe for one candidate son guard dna carrington, tweeted this, don, how one can not be bothered by their name being used to justify racism, bigotry, and massage needs in a phobia, homophobia and the intersectionality is of them. >> it all is nuts. we all see that shi t, we all have a platform. we all have a voice and they all hold wait silence is lecturing. i want to bring in former nfl wide receiver at dante sore. it's been a minute glad to have you back dante. i'm wondering, you tonight. >> xi may have a point or are people unfairly putting the commentary about caitlin and her name on her shoulders? >> what do you think? >> i don't think it's a little bit of both. right. i think that number one, caitlin clark is dealing with a lot as far as, you know basketball wise, dealing with being the number one pick and dealing with people trying to put the entire league on her shoulders even though she's spoken out about it before that, she is coming behind a long line of women that have really set the stage for her to even be in this position. so i think she had respect for the game number one, which is very important for the people that came before her. she's been a big fan of the wnba, wnba, and she's talked about that explicitly over a long period of time. and to have one of her colleagues color out about being silent. i think that was probably one of the things that made her come out in be a little more forceful in her conversation because when initially i think the athlete, professional athlete, you want to stay out of things you want to focus on what you need to do. you got practice. >> we have so many things on your shoulders and again, her being number one pick and all this conversation around her. i think she was initially trying to just push it away and say, hey, i'm just here to focus on basketball. i have a lot do my teammates don't have the best team in the league, but they're focusing on and then one of her colleagues calls her out and says, hey, like silence is a luxury. and i think she took that to heart and i don't know her personally, but it seems like she took that to harb, which is why when she was asked the second time to came out a little more forcefully? and what she said and having respect for the women that came before, predominantly the black woman that came before, it was really important for her to speak out the way she did. >> well, you know, people are speaking out and not just the wnba on issues that are about racism or shovels the racism as well and the different intersection ism that was talked about by dna. this week putin spain ordered eight month prison sentences for three men who made racist remarks and racist gestures toward real madrid star vinicius junior, and the men are also now banned from stadiums form for all spanish football matches. for now, two years, these were fans from an opponent closing team that had been throwing racial slurs and chants at him and back when this happen, remember that he was crying at a press conference. this is a 23-year-old who just wants to play without having people engage in this disgusting behavior. he said that he was losing the will to play at this time. but this decision is a huge victory for him now yeah, he's he's spoken about it, you time and time again and it's really sad that we still have the scoring well, it obviously racism is as old as the earth is basically as long as humans, since been on this earth. >> but for him to have to deal with that as or anyone have to deal with any racist remarks while you're trying to just do your job as a really tough thing. i'm not i don't really know how to handle the juxtaposition of handling like the jail time i'm i'm totally on board for them being banned from stadiums because you don't no one wants that in the state and you don't want that the players don't want that to teams don't want to deal with that. you want the competition. it's fine to give you held out and your opposing team. all that is fine. the competitiveness that competition is totally fine from the fans getting jeered and all that stuff. but the racist remarks really have no place in sports and like i said, i'm not really sure about the jail time. i don't know how i feel about that, to be honest, but as far as them being banned, i think that was a good decision. >> why encourage everyone to read what he had to say about this as well? i'll call himself a tormentor now of not a victim of racism, dante saw where thank you so much. >> thanks. laura well, the question of age and politics is growing louder with north dakota's approving an age limit for 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can help. thunder shirts finding it retailers like pet smart and petco it's quickly become the question of our ages. >> i mean, it's precisely a question frankly about age. can someone be too old to serve in politics? we lately, that question while it's everywhere you look just this week, voters north dakota approved a ballot measure that sets an age limit for congressional candidates, barring anyone who would turn 81 during their term. and of course, there's the conversation around the two top 2024 presidential candidates and tomorrow, happy birthday and donald trump, because he turns 78. now, if president biden wins in november, he would be at two at the start of his next term. >> that according to polling more than half the country thinks that both biden and trump were too old for a second term. so what happened to the phrase age is just a number. well, my next guess has something to say about all that joining me now is cbs sunday morning correspondent and mo rocco, who's out with a new book. it's called rocked a generic ones late in life, debuts come back and triumphs, profiling people who have flourished in their later years. first of all, most welcome and put two big fan of your work and you have this uncanny knack of being able to use your name, whether it's mobitz, you areas or other i'm jealous. the fact you could do this every single time. now, new book, i know. >> now i'm running out of names. >> so i'm going to have to do something with my middle name. >> i guess that's the next solution for you i'll wait for that book neck. >> listen, i mean the age question it's all over especially in politics. what do you think it's become such a huge issue? >> well, i think ageism is a real thing. i do think it's real. i think there's this idea that in the last third of our lives, we're supposed to do wind things down, get ready to clock out, and my coauthor, john greenberg and i wanted to write a book and we did that shows people achieving greatness in the last part of their lives. it's not a new thing, it's been happening for a long time. i mean, i'm not a doctor. i don't even play one on tv those of us who are old enough, we'll get that reference. so i get it thank you. >> okay i'm surprised that you're old enough to get that i'm not just flattering. >> and so look, i think that there is a legitimate real concern not just about the white house, but the senate as well about a jeran take pros, about entrenched power like that. but i think what's getting overlooked are the great strengths that come later in life and history is it, is a strong guide for that. people who did do great things like life the idea of, we've heard late bloomers, but, and we hear about the idea of there's always this counter-point, which is the age, brings wisdom and experience and it's a good thing to have that. >> what are those merits and also maybe the downsides to older are political candidates is that being out of touch? is it being? that much more experience to know what in-touch means? >> i think the upsides that if found, and i'll just be blunt, old people are my jam. i've been interviewing them for a long time. i had a cooking show where i went around the country cooking with grandmothers and grandfathers in their kitchens. and what i learned is that the older you get, the less likely you are to care about but what other people think, which is a quality i think we'd all like to have. i'm working on that myself and i think that there's a kind of grace and wisdom certainly that come these aren't just cliches one of the stories we tell us about mary church terrell, who was a great older in life, civil rights leader. i mean, she had all her life. she had bought for civil rights. and then at the age of 86, she rejoined the fight to lead sit-ins segregated washington, dc lunch counters i think what's so powerful about that for people who do public service late in life is that they're fighting for a world that at best there'll be able to enjoy for a few years okay, so they're not doing it for themselves. they're doing it for their sometimes literal and, or metaphorical children and their children's children so i do think that there's a grace that comes. i think the recall of proper names we know starts to slip, but there's clarity and judgment that sets in, in many cases, these are generalities, but i think it's true. >> i think that's a fascinating principle and really when you think about the ultimate act of selflessness is doing something that will benefit society even if you are not a direct beneficiary of it and you're directly your book points out a lot of well-known people who peeked, as they say, maybe later in life and some were really interesting to think about. you've mentioned one incredible example, another one, you talk about kfc is colonel sanders 66 when he began touting his famous chicken recipe, you got diana nyad, 64 when she completed her swim from cuba to florida? i do wonder, you run the gamut on a lot of the people i just named, just put a few, but are there specific traits that you have noticed among the people that you have profile that could inspire even people who are set in their ways today they look at endings as beginnings. >> the great modernist painter matisse was that way. i mean, obviously he was successful early in the middle of his life in his 70s, cancer robbed him of the ability to paint. he could no longer sit up right here to be in a reclined in a wheelchair or in his bad. but instead of just playing a highlights reel of all of his achievements through life, he traded in his paintbrush for a giant pair of scissors, and he began cutting out shapes from colored paper. and this began his very celebrated period of paper cutouts. and this was its own brilliant artistic chapter for him. and in a way it was a return to a kind of childlike, not childish simplicity, a fascination with bright colors and bold shapes that i find really powerful and in other cases, you had people like frank mccord and laura ingalls wilder, frank mccord? it was a high school english teacher who spent his life struggling with whether he should have even tell his story, his students thought that his childhood in limerick, ireland, as he described, it, would make for a great book, but he was ashamed of his poverty he thought that his story might not be worth telling and finally, he committed it to paper because as he put it, he would have died howling if he hadn't told his story. it was a literary sensation. it's 66 angela's ashes took the world by storm and he said finally, it took me two years and all of my life to write this story. and i find that powerful because i think people, especially late in life who don't think that their stories are worth telling. that's a very, very sad thing. so i'm glad he did it. it was a great book. >> well, it may none of us ever be less howling at the end and get our stories out on paper for so many to see. and obviously you're block again called rockridge and arians is helping in that feed what an incredibly inspiring set of stories that i think will resonate with so many people. so take that for everyone who thinks sophia petrillo with lisa the golden girls, see what the star. >> okay. she was storing by the way, by law, we had to include at least one golden girl. >> you can't write a book with this title will not have a golden girls 62 when she made

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