okay, that's uncalled for. kevin lip ttac at the white house. and this is cnn harrowing rescue joyful reunions it's rarely forces f3, four hostages from hamas captivity as gaza hospitals report this floors were killed during the mission. what more do we know? white house national security adviser, jake sullivan is next. and turnout talk both parties focus on a key voting block, suburban women, we were able to work on real solutions. are we going to empower americans to make their own healthcare decisions? >> is it enough to win in the fall due governors republican kristi noem and democrat gretchen whitmer join me exclusively, plus american way, donald trump calls for revenge as he awaits his felony sentencing. and now vice president kamala harris says his response is disqualifying cheaters don't like get caught. >> what do voters thing or political panel ways in hello, i'm dana bash in washington where the state of our union is booking overseas. >> after eight long months for israeli hostages are back home safely. >> family reunions and tears of joy after they were rescued from hamas captivity by idf forces. in a special offer ration saturday morning the rate of two separate apartments and a central gaza refugee camp took months of preparation and military spokesman said, since hamas moves hostages frequently and embeds them in areas packed with civilians like this refugee camp following reports of heavy shelling and artillery fire, gaza hospital said, more than 200 people were killed in the operation. cnn has not been able to verify claims about the exact number of civilian deaths in what was the first successful hostage rescue since february here with me now from paris where he is traveling with president biden is national security adviser, jake sullivan. thank you so much for being with me. let's start, of course, with the news about the rescue of four israeli hostages inside gaza. >> how specifically did the us assist in the mission well, dana, the united states has been providing support to israel for several months in its efforts to help identify the locations of hostages in gaza. and just support efforts to try to secure their rescue or recovery i'm not going to get into the specific operational or intelligence related matters associated with that because we need to protect those i can only just say that we have generally provided support to the idf so that we can try to get all of the hostages home, including the american hostages who are still being held so i understand that intelligence u.s. intelligence assisted. but what you say anything about us personnel, us weapons? >> well, the one thing i can say is that there were no us forces, no us no us boots on the ground involved in this operation. we did not participate militarily in this app jake, a mosque claims that other hostages that they are holding inside gaza were killed as a result of the idf's mission. >> is that true? >> we, have not seen that verified or confirmed. i believe that the israelis have said they do not have any information to that effect. but of course, that is always a risk with all of these military the operations hostages have been killed over the last eight months. and so dana, the best way to get all of the hostages home and to protect palestinian civilians is to end this war. and the best way to end this war is for hamas to say yes to the deal president biden announced and that israel has accepted which lays out a roadmap to enduring ceasefire and the return of all hostages. that's what we are driving four, and that's what we're asking the world we call upon hamas to accept are you concerned at all given what you just said that the ball is in hamas's court right now that the rescue that happened on saturday, will make it so that hamas might walk away from the negotiating table it's a legitimate question. i it's hard for me to put myself in the mindset of a hamas terrorists. we don't know exactly what it is that they're going to do but the basic bottom line here is straightforward. to bring it into this war, to get the hostages home, to get the full scope of humanitarian aid to the palestinian people in a safe and effective way, we need this still and all of the people all over the world the united states and in countries everywhere who have been calling for a ceasefire, they need to train their attention on hamas and put the pressure on because this is the way to resolve this issue. and whatever the calculus is of hamas coming out of this weekend, the reality remains the same. this is the only credible path forward and hamas should say yet any word either from hamas or through hamas's intermediaries about their stance vis-a-vis the ceasefire deal that the president endorsed. >> a little bit more than a week though since what happened yesterday well, we've heard a lot publicly from hamas over the last week. >> we've not seen any official statements since what happened with the hostage rescue operation. and the two key arab media theaters who are standing alongside the united states in this process, qatar and egypt have not yet received any official word from hamas representatives as to their stance on so we are waiting that word and it should come today. it should come this our hamas should say yes which would immediately put in place a ceasefire and immediately begin the process of bringing hostages home. this is the answer that the world is looking for. and it's time to act jake, i want to ask you a little bit more about that mission. >> and one of the questions is what we're hearing from gaza, two different hospitals in gaza say at least 236 people were killed as a part of the israeli operation to rescue hostages what is your understanding of how many palestinian civilians, not militants, but civilians were killed in that rescue mission? >> we the united states are not in a position today to make a definitive statement about that, the israeli defense forces have put out one number for the hamas-run gaza health ministry has put out another number, but we do know this data innocent people were tragically killed in this operation. the exact number we don't oh, no, but innocent people were killed and that is heartbreaking. that is tragic. the president himself has said in recent days that the palestinian people are going through sheer hell in this company conflict because hamas is operating in a way that puts them in the cross-fire that holds hostages right in the heart of crowded civilian areas that puts military and placements let's right in the heart of crowded civilian areas. but every day that we see more innocent people lost is another horrible, awful tragic de, our hearts in the united states and across the world, break for that. but there is only one answer to stop that from happening going forward. and that is a ceasefire and hostage deal that ends military operations brings the hostages home and puts us in a position to give the palestinians and opportunity for a better future for their people and last just about the mission we're you don't want to specifically say how the us was involved, which i understand. but just broadly, big picture no one can deny the amazing news of seeing these innocent civilians who were finally brought back to their families from gaza after being held there for eight months, but is the us comfortable with the way that the israelis carried out the mission look, dana, why is president biden going out publicly and calling for a ceasefire and hostage deal? >> it's because he thinks the best way to get all of the hostages home is in a deal where they're brought out diplomatically, where there's no need for military operations to get every last hostage out. that would obviously be the best solution to this in the absence of that without hamas saying yes to the deal unfortunately, we are going to continue to see ongoing conflict and military operations in which israel makes efforts to recover its citizens and frankly to recover american citizens what we would much prefer to see is a ceasefire where the hostages come out peacefully. that is available. israel has said yes to it now hamas needs to say yes to it. that's where president biden's full effort, energy and attention is. and you heard yesterday from the french president here in paris that france stands behind and that the world stands behind that and hamas should come to the table and say, yes. >> you mentioned that you are in paris. i have to before i let you go ask about the trip that you of course, the president is making to europe, marking the 80th anniversary of d-day you are soon going to be part of the g7 in italy. and the president gave us a very big speech on democracy as he's trying to frame the 2024 president presidential election here against donald trump as a discussion about the fate of democracy. do you think democracy is in jeopardy the president said in his speech that tomas, democracy is is it risks all over the world from without and from within to a greater extent now than it has been in a very long time. >> and what president biden was arguing is that those brave men who stormed the beaches at normandy who scaled the cliffs at pointe to hoc who liberated europe and literally save the world. they are calling up us to step up to do our job in our time, which is to defend democracy, to stand with allies to refuse to bow down to dictators, to push back against mr. aggression. that's what president biden is seeking to do. and that's the message that he gave here today. and it's something he will carry forward as long as he is president he said around the world is democracy at risk in the united states as part of this election what we do hear voices calling into question the basic democratic values and democratic institutions that have made our country great week for 250 years. >> and those voices have gotten louder in recent years. and that is a source of deep concern. but it's also a source of huge motor the vision, not just for the president, but for a lot of people who want to stand up to reinforce the things that have made this country great. and we've had no better reminder. >> dana than good heading to see some of those still living veterans of world war ii who came not to make any political statement in normandy he, but rather simply to reinforce the timeless values that have made america, america. >> and it's something we should all remember as we go forward. >> yeah, those were remarkable images. and reminders no question about that, jake. thank you so much for being here. i appreciate it thanks for having both the trump and biden campaign's are trying to turn a key voting blocs, suburban women republican governor kristi noem and democratic governance regine witmer are coming up the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher. the president and the former president, one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debate 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start with what we've heard a lot of from the former president since he was found guilty in his new york hush money trial well that is repeatedly suggesting that he would prosecute his political opponents if he is elected with part of what he said it's a terrible precedent for our country. >> does that mean the next president does it to them? that's really the question. and it's very possible that it's going to have to happen to them based on what they've done. i would have every right to go after them, revenge, just take time. i will say that as does. and sometimes revenge can be justified governor sasha message, you think donald trump should be focusing on in this campaign right now well, his message is clearly been that his only vengeance will be america's success. he is not interested in going after political opponents. he is interested in going back to the white house and working for the american people and their families please, bringing down inflation costs and that's what i'm hearing overwhelmingly here in wisconsin, is that this swing state is so important and these people here, they're number one issue right now is not that sham trial and not the verdict and the convictions and not what's going on as far as what a lot of people are talking about in the media, they care about what's happening to their families, how much grocery prices have gone up, how much better their lives were four years ago. so that, that's, that's really their number one concern. >> yeah. i mean, it's seems clear what you're hearing from voters that that is what their concern is. but it is what we heard from donald trump this week over and over and interview after interview that he is considering going after his political opponents so should he stopped doing that, given what you just said, you're hearing from voters what he said is that he's worn the american people. if we start weaponizing the judicial system like they did against him, that it could happen to any president, it could happen to any political opponents. what he's talking about when he's having those discussions is that because careful what you do because that opens the door in the future to anybody doing it. and that's what he's trying to shut down. he wants people to trust or judicial system. he wants to make sure that we still have law and order in this country. if you look at conservative areas of this country, places where republicans were in control we have law and order, we have peace and stability. you go to democrat states in cities. that's where you see destruction and you see judicial systems and trials and corrupt judges that prosecute their political enemies. that's what new york was. new york, that was definitely a rigged elections or rigs judicial process against the president politically motivated well, he was found guilty based on a jury, 12 members of the 12th piers, 12 piers of his debt. >> the thing i just want to mention and i do want to move on is that right now? the justice department is prosecuting the president's son, president biden, son is prosecuting a house democrat is prosecuting a senate democrat. so doesn't that fly in the face of the claim that the whole judicial system is weaponized against republicans i don't think anybody believes the whole, whole judicial system is, i think they see places in this country where it is a new york was certainly one of those and i don't know dana, if you read that letter from the judge in the new york city trial that came out that talked about the fact that some of these social media posts that came out before the decision and the verdicts even came out from that jury. >> so there may be a mistrial coming here because it was handled so poorly by this judge, and that's what i think that will be eye-opening to the american people as they really, truly will have proof then that that judge was corrupt. he'd never he should have recused himself according to the ethics and rules of new york. he should never have presided over that whole process. and president trump's should have never been in that section. i just want to say that those details have not been confirmed. obviously, the trial is over. so i think you're probably referring to an appeal. i want to move on to some of the politics that we're seeing in the 2024 race, specifically donald trump is actively starting to look for running mate cnn is told that there are seven potential trump vp contenders receiving vetting materials. so far you're not on that list. do you have any indication that you're still under consideration to be donald trump's running mate i've told president trump over and over again, he needs to pick whoever helps him when i have been loyal to him since the very beginning when he first started to run in 2016. >> he's told me his priority is picking a running mate that can govern on day one. that is when the loyalty him that can has experienced and run businesses knows how to be a ceo, but also supports him and his policies. i don't care. i love my job in south dakota. i care about the fact that i want him to win and he knows that i will do that. so i talked to him three times yesterday. i think he's doing great and fantastic. i'm proud of him i've never seen anybody get out of bed and work as hard as this guy does just because he loves america and he's got some, a lot of corrupt criminals and a lot of political enemies coming after him and he still gets up, fights for the average everyday american that makes me proud of him on that list that i just showed so there were six men and one woman women, particularly suburban women. i don't need to tell you, could play a big role in who gets elected in november should there be a woman on the ticket, a and b, you said? he just needs to pick somebody who will help him when would you help him win while all the pools such tell him in these swing states that a woman on the ticket, it helps him when the polls just say that about people one in four, republican women haven't made up their minds because they want to have a woman talking to them about the issues they care about, and women aren't monolith lithic. >> they don't, they don't care about just one issue. they care about health care, they care about their children, they care about their futures, they care about having an opportunity to have a business and to have a career. and all of that is being threatened. vendor joe biden, but but yes, the women vote is extremely important and i spent the majority of my time here in wisconsin talking to women and talking to those people that are independent and on the fringe and they're leaning towards donald trump but they also want to know that their perspective is going to be at the table when decisions you should pick a woman. they want to know that there's going to be people involved i think that that would be beneficial is according to the polling that i've seen for him in a lot of swing states. is that having a woman that is helping him campaign makes a difference. so it's an i could be home and bed or feeding my horses right now are racking my grand babies, but i'm in wisconsin because i believe president trump needs to win his policies are right for america and they're perfect for south dakota. and i want him to win and the polling tells me that he needs women out on the campaign trail carrying his message about how much he cares about them and their future. two, let me ask you about a topic that is important to women will actually important to a lot of people. and that is contraception senate republicans is we've blocked and bill to protect access to contraception nationwide. as a matter of principle, do you think republican should support complete access to birth control? >> yes, i do. i think that bill was a joke that bill was far reaching in everything that was included and it wasn't just a single issue bill, which in my book, i talk about the fact that a single issue bills actually would fix a lot of what's broken in this country. but the absolutely contraception is something that should be available to women why can't we just start talking about the fact that a lot of women, when they're in their situations, they're in a crisis situation. why don't we support them and give them information and help them? so i think that whatever we're talking about when it comes to women's health care, that that's something that we as everybody in this america in this america public needs to realize is that these are difficult situations and we need to love people and win their hearts and minds as well as talk about policy. you mentioned your book. so i'm going to ask you about that because in that book, no going back, you came under pretty intense criticism, even from some members of your own party because you shared a story about shooting and killing your 14 year, 14 month old dog, cricket now that you've had time to process all of that in all candor, do you have regrets that story is a 20-year-old story of a mom who made a very difficult decision to protect her children from a vicious animal that was attacking livestock and and killing livestock and attacking people. so it's in the book because it was difficult for me and there's a lot in that book that i think people need to read. i don't know if you've read it or not read the whole thing, but it wouldn't be in the book if it wasn't a very hard situate all good. i'm glad you did. thank you for doing that, but but there's a lot in that book that's very important and i hope people read it because it's a how-to guide for the average citizen. and how to get their government back. yeah, why i believe that we need to have president trump back in the white house. yeah, i did read the whole thing, and so i have the entire context of that incident. good. and so what i'm hearing is no regrets, not just about writing about it, but we've actually shooting the dog we've covered this and i'm a mom and protected my children from a vicious animal. >> we just had a nine-year-old boy and south dakota killed just days ago from a dog. that happens and, you know, i've that nine-year-old boy will never be in his parents lives again, he'll never been his family's lives again. i think it's hello are put in tough situations in life and we learn from it. and we learn a lot for what did you learn. and that's what i've talked a lot in that book, dana, i've learned that challenging times and hard decisions are hard. and that when you get into public office, you'd learn from every single one of them and you use that knowledge to go forward into and to make wise decisions that are best for america. that's why joe biden's such a train wreck the guys 80 80-years-old and making the worst decisions i've ever seen him making his entire life and destroying our country, not just on the foreign policy stage by what he's doing in the middle east. and, but also what he's doing on our economy and he's putting every other country and our enemies in front of america. and i think there's just horrible right now. do you realize, dana that what he did last week is that when the trump verdict came out in his trial, he actually joe biden held a press conference announcing a deal between israel and a terrorist organization that was not agreed to. and he did it during shabbat i mean, how disrespectful to the jewish people. well, to hold a press conference that they can't even respond to it for regular just residence i just believed that we've got people that we've got people that really we need to recognize how week this president is. and you were talking about hostages earlier in your show as jimmy carter, who i ran held a hostages for a 444 days under jimmy carter. carter because he was week back in 1979 and 1980. and the day ronald reagan was inaugurated, they were released because they recognize their ronald reagan would be a strong president. we've got the exact same situation here in america. why are we not? they're getting are americans home? >> why are we not telling hamas give us are americans back? >> why, why are we not doing russia to give us our journalists back? yeah, i think one thing that this president should be doing is good if protecting americans, yeah, go get sir, americans and bring them home. that's what, that's what i'm upset about. yeah. i think there's a lot there maybe you can come back and we can we're at a time, we can talk more about it, but yeah, obviously, president biden is very aggressively tried to get the americans back. it's a very complicated situation thank you so much. appreciate it. i pray for their families. >> they come home alive thank you. do up next democratic governor gretchen whitmer of a state that could decide the next president. that of course, is the rate status in michigan. you see her there. governor whitmer will be her live next to look good. >> i june. they can do this vision works, see the difference the de, you'd get your clear choice. dental 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is michigan governor gretchen whitmer. thank you so much for being here. you just heard governor noem. your colleague from south dakota talk about contraception. she says, republicans are not trying to take away access to birth control. democrats are making this political, what's your response? i think that we all know the truth here. there's no question that with the three appointments that donald trump put onto our united states supreme court, three people who lied to congress, betrayed their oath of office and put forward the dobbs decision. we know that there are women in many states who cannot access fundamental health care. cannot make their own decisions about whether and when to bear a child. we know that mifepristone is under attack. that ivf surrogacy and now contraception is as well. and when the us senate puts forth policy to ensure that they have an opportunity to enshrine access to contraception. and republicans vote against it and kill that bill. it is very much at risk here in this moment. and i think that what we're seeing out of the republicans saying that they protect, want to protect this as disingenuous at best and an outright lie at worst i want to talk a little bit about what we heard from the vice president kamala harris, who was speaking in your state last night in detroit, and she said, quote, donald trump thinks he is a above the law and this should be disqualifying for anyone who wants to be president of the united states what do you think well, i think that the fact of the matter is we know under this democracy, no one is above the law. >> everyone is held into account. we have but a system of jurisprudence that we have to have confidence. and when you take that oath of office, we expect our leaders to live up to up to that oath. then this former president is now a convicted felon. he is the standard bearer, unfortunately for the republican party in this moment this is a high-stakes election where you've got someone who flouts the law and cheats and just got caught and someone who has four over the course of his lifetime made serving the public. the only thing that he is focused on, he has delivered for the american people and we've got to start decision in front of us. and i really think that people need to take this moment very seriously and get out and vote because this is high stakes the president's son, hunter biden, is on trial for obtaining and possessing a firearm while under the influence of illegal drugs. >> that was against the law republican lindsey graham says that an average american would not have been prosecuted for this, suggesting that hunter biden facing charges for political reasons what do you think you know what? >> i don't know how to weigh in on that. dana, i'll just say this. i saw and i was happy to see you when the president was asked about this, he'll have confidence in the judicial system. it's not going to undermine it. and i think we'll see how it plays out. but right now, we know that in this country there is a stark choice in front of us between a president who respects the rule of law and a former president who is a convicted felon, who wants to use the implements of government to go after his enemies and is running on vengeance consent grievance as his platform versus the sitting president who has delivered board this country and respects the judiciary and wants to shore up this democracy. it's a lot at stake should the president lean in more on the kind of message you just delivered you know what i think it's important for us to be talking about these things. >> the american people are busy, they're good hardworking people who expect their government to work as hard as they do and to be as good if not better than that. heir to respect the oath of office, to respect our institutions to fight for every american's right to make their own decisions about their bodies to have a voice and a vote in this democracy. and i think all of those things are very much at stake here. so i'm going to be talking about that. i'm gonna be reminding people and i'm i'm confident that they average person in this country was just trying to get ahead is ultimately going to be a part of the direction of this election and is going to weigh in and vote for joe biden. >> governor. i don't need to tell you how important your state of michigan is going to be when it comes to who is going to be the next president in your state, there is a third-party candidate and his name is robert kennedy jr. he is going to be on the ballot there. he are 9% support in one recent michigan pole that's more than enough to tip the scales in what is sure to be a close election. how worried are you about having rfk jr. on the ballot and what it means for president biden's chances of winning there well this is michigan. dana has, you know, elections are always close here. i remind people all the time, don't clutch your pearls when we're down a couple of points, do not celebrate when we're up a couple of points. this is going to be a close election all the way through. but here's what i know. when you get on the ground and you show up and you talk to people and you listen it, helps make sure that you stay focused on the things that matter. president biden has huge list of accomplishments were seeing on shoring of supply chains. we're seeing the growth of good manufacturing jobs. this is the first president in a long time that has been able to deliver on infrastructure and has a real manufacturing vision that it is that is playing out every day and good paying jobs. certainly, kennedy or any third party candidate gives me some concern and it's to be taken seriously and that's why we're showing up and we're working hard and all 83 counties to earn the votes of the people. there are a lot of good traditional republicans who don't feel at home with the convicted felon at the top of the ballot, who know that kennedy has got lots of far out kind of wild ideas about science and the 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that matter. you know, when i see an ad, like when i see her convert com, we'll comma talking about, i almost want her talking more because the public has such an adverse reaction to the things she says. now, talking about chines, the only one feeling cheated here is probably the american public. they were promised something three-and-a-half years ago, a strong economy, a safe world. we have two wars overseas. we have a third one about to start between the philippines and china, which the us has military agreements with. and we have inflation wiping out the middle class, wiping on savings, wiping up people's credits i think the public feel cheated. so you have to be careful with the word she uses. congressman khanna. >> well, the president is that a very strong record of bringing manufacturing back of record job creation, lowest unemployment, but here is the contrast. the president is out there on d-day trying to bring this country together, speaking about our aspiration invoking president reagan saying we have a unifying message and donald trump is on dr. phil talking about retribution. i think that's going to be the real case of what type of country are we, are we a country that's going to come together with the president's message. are we going to want a terry each other apart? >> number a, unifying to me, i mean, kamala harris on the attack this week and candidly, joe biden attacking, i think donald trump during his overseas speech. normally we're worried about people attacking president's when they're overseas. we don't normally have to worry about presidents attacking their opponents when they are overseas. i think it underscores the horrible week, the biden people had the wall street journal says he's slipping behind the scenes in a deeply source story, politico says, blows up the popular narrative that the biden joe biden has nothing to do with his dark times. today's out with a piece debunking all the personal narrative myths of joe biden. there's chaos all around the biden campaign right now. and to top it all off, somehow virginia is now a swing state. so i'm not surprised c. kamala harris desperately on the attack because the campaign is totally flailing right now. >> so i love listening to you talking about cast because i remembered donald trump in 2016 dan warning us that if hillary clinton were president, it would be chaos all the time and guess what we had four years of chaos with donald trump. but dan, unless time, what's really going on here? internally, i'm assuming the trump campaign is same what i'm saying which is this talking about the conviction of donald trump on 34 felony counts is working. we have a cbs poll out just this morning. we have other polls coming out that are showing joe biden starting to come move ahead. and here's the problem for the trump campaign. these things matter when they underscore something that people already sent and believe about someone they already sent and believed donald trump leinz of them. he lied to them when he said he didn't sleep with stormy daniels, he lied to them when he said he was going to make all these things better and guess what? his tax cuts help the very wealthy. they harmed the middle-class. and in fact, new york times, i'm so glad you mentioned new york times has a story out this morning about how so many of the promises that trump is making when he talks about mass deportations, guess what? that's going to increase our costs when he talks about this trade policy, trade tariffs, guess what? that's going to increase our costs, and that's consistent with our hold on. that's consistent with our own reporting. that showed that ryan lins that showed the cost will go up about $1,700 for middle-class americans and all donald trump can do is talk retribution while his people du, the best they can with talking. and i just sort of frame this conversation in a tick of a different way. and that is how this race could change a bit, not a lot, but a bit he hasn't picked his running mate yet. and you just heard kristi noem saying pretty much point blank. he should pick a woman she would like for it to be her. i don't know if it's going to be her. >> we got the list of the people who have gotten there vetting materials. >> there's only one woman on that list and that is at least a phonic of new york the woman who pretty much hands down could help him win more than any horse is nikki haley? >> i don't know if it helped with me. >> i mean, it's it's listen, i want to stay. you're already going to vote for him. >> reporters and republican, but i think nikki haley would cause problems for me because it would see the future of the party is not in good hands. and i think that's what people are looking for for the president when he chooses the vp, somebody who continues along with the policies and priorities are important to him in nikki haley, just as matches up. so i think that's the challenge are going to have and she hasn't shown a propensity, even moved towards the issues that trump voters care about and what the voters are going to care about in this party. going to care about are more of these things that president trump's talking about. they're talking about tariffs. we've known me, scott's and shock here. i'm shocked, were now the party of tariffs and our party wants more of it. like i've never predicted that party is moving and that the reality is is nikki haley is not moving with the party i think the issue is abortion rights. >> i mean, that's why democrats have over-performed when i was in wisconsin across the state. i mean, there's still an arcane law there that bans abortion when people were talking about is the right to access to reproductive health, the right to access to contract? perception. and the fact that there's only one woman candidate on the running mate for donald trump shows that there's still out-of-touch and that's why women are going to win this election for president biden, i think that's what he's numbers are moving in the cbs poll. and that's why i'm optimistic that he's going to get reelected i actually heard brian, i think you need a running mate. first of all, the number one thing is do no harm being a second is you have to have someone who is going to unabashedly support your agenda, like you cannot have somebody out there who is pulling their punches on a daily basis. and so the list that he has outright now are a group of people people that have shown time and again, they are willing to step up and defend him and fight for his agenda nikki haley has a lot of positions that i agree with, but but she has a big problem with donald trump. she has said at time and again, i'm not sure that makes the best running, but it's clear donald trump is continues to have trouble with women voters and consolidated thanks to bourbon women, kamala harris, things in an excellent job prosecuting the case for joe biden. i think they should consider i mean, if i don't want to 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