i'll tell you my own opinion. i was affecting attorney out for some sort of a pushback. yeah. it didn't happen and it's very, very interesting. >> barak reviewed, thanks. the news continues right here on cnn outfront next, trump's next move, a former president vowing to appeal his conviction while his lawyers way whether to move his center tinting day, michael cohen is my guess. >> plus kristi noem is out front on the verdict would shubi on the gop ticket with a convicted felon and the people who have been jailed for sames crimime as trump, who are they? and what do their stories tell us about his feet? let's go out, find good evening. >> i'm erin burnett it out front tonight, trump plotting his next move. the former president and now a convicted felon at bedminster, new jersey, his home there, after spending the de with his family, ivanka jared melania, and baron, all four noticeably absent during trump's historic trial and at a press conference or a speech today, melania noticeably not present the private show of support comes as trump's legal team has just weeks to file a sentencing memo and the memo is obviously crucial because it's when lawyers would make the case for a lighter sentence. in this case, of course, a jury found trump guilty on 34 criminal counts of falsifying business records. and there's uncertainty about whether the sentencing will actually happen on july 11, as it was initially scheduled by judge more merchan. >> trump's attorneys are weighing whether to push that sentencing back or whether to try to push it back. >> right. they've got to get a request and see if that would pass so this is what they're debating behind closed doors. of course, in public, trump is trying to appear defiant. >> nearly nine years to the day today. >> he returned to the lobby of trump tower down that escalator. >> she was upstairs. she did not come with him and he came down and raged, slamming the case that has now made him a convicted felon it was a rigged trial. we wanted a venue change where we could have a fair trial. we didn't get it. we wanted a judge change. we wanted to judge. it wasn't conflicted and obviously he didn't do that this afternoon for the first time, right? it's taken now, 24 hours since the verdict president biden is speaking out. here's what he's saying. >> reckless. is dangerous. it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict i'll trump of course, does not like the verdict, but it is actually paying off for him right now, trump campaign putting out a new video tonight featuring his allies all have been flooding the airwaves today to cry foul according to the campaign, they've now raised about $35 million since the verdict was handed down. i want to note that's just small donors and i also so we'll make a point that that number came out this morning, so it is likely gone up since then paula reid is out front live in new york to begin our coverage. as you have been every single day of this trial, paula. and tonight, i know you're talking to your sources in the trump world and trump legal team. what are you learning about what they're doing right now and through this weekend right now today over the next few days as trump will continue to confer with his legal and political advisors about what to do in the wake of this verdict in one of the first big questions they need to address is what to do about the date of this sentencing. >> july 11 is just a few days before the republican national convention around the time he was expected to announce his running mate. but it's mega the sources i'm told that there are only some folks trump world who believe no, keep it on july 11th. that's a great way to go into the convention as they continue to try to paint him as a martyr. and the victim of an unfair judicial system. it's interesting though aaron, because this is a shift in how they've approached this case, there is always a tension with the legal and the political when it comes to trump. but if you think about this case it's the 2024 race came up when they were trying to get the case moved. it comes up in the gag order litigation, political speech, but it never came up in the courtroom. you never heard his lawyers arguing about this during the seven-week trial, but now the 2024 raise won't be just up factor. it will be the factor that makes sense now that the legal strategy becomes a political one. because retaking the white house is the only way trump can avoid too far more serious criminal prosecutions at the federal level. >> all right. thank you very much, paul reid. in new york. and i want to go now to michael cohen. he is of course, trump's former attorney and the crucial witness in this case, the host of two podcasts. now, mei a copa and political beat down. and the author of two books that you see on your screen, revenge and disloyal. a memoir, a true story of former president trump's personal attorney to president donald j. trump? >> all right. michael. >> so here we are. last time i saw you on the stand. >> yes, i was 21 hours. 21. >> and so now now you are 24 hours in. >> do you feel it? >> i actually don't. i have very mixed emotions. i've kind of had this conversation with my wife and my children because they asked me the identical question i believe that donald should be held accountable. i believe that the verdict was right, that the jurors did exactly what they were supposed to do despite donalds admonition for the judge was conflicted, the jurors are no good. the venue was no good, only because he wants to troll all aspects of the case, which of course he does not have the right to do nevertheless, i believe the jurors came back with the right decision problem though, is i have family all over the world and i've been speaking to a lot of them who say to me, can't believe that this is the united states of america that the former president of the united states is now a felon that he's convicted on 34 out of 34 charges what's happening over there that this is more like something you would have seen with noriega? >> not what america do you think my goal that because today when he spoke and he came in trump tower place that you used to go every single day? >> yeah. >> came down that escalator that you went up every single day and he said that he should have testified in his 30 five-minute speech. do you think you should testified absolutely not. >> donald than the truth are two very divergent issues. >> donald doesn't know how to tell the truth. his lies are compounded only by leinz, the old expression, elide b begets a lie. but what happens when you've told me? 35,000 plus of them, he can't keep the story straight so it was finally a smart move by whoever told him not to, because some of the things that they're telling him, his legal strategists, whether it's todd, blanche, or boris epshteyn? i have no idea who the legal strategist is, but yeah, i've now coined my own sort of phrase to go against the todd blanche donald trump gloat the greatest liar malta. and i call him a sloat stupidest lawyer of all time because anybody that would allow donald trump to create their own strategy for a defense in a case like this, after he's gotten beaten so badly, again and again and again, is clearly stupid. >> alright. on the issue of telling the truth and there's a lot i want to talk about here because it's important, but on the after the verdict, trump's attorney, blanche, she asked the judge to set aside the verdict. >> nope. been a quit trump and the reason that blanche said this is quote, there's no basis and there's no way this jury could have reached a verdict without accepting the testimony of mr. cohen and we believe unequivocally that that testimony, even though it would stand in this courtroom, that he lied, there was perjury committed did you lie under oath? no. no. in fact one of the things that i thought alvin bragg, susan hoffinger, and josh steinglass did. >> that was brilliant is they laid out their entire case? even before i got to the stand. there were 19 witnesses that preceded me on the stand and each one of them told the story. and that's story corroborates what i have been saying for six years not one year, not to yet, but since years telling the same story. but here's the beautiful thing they brought me in at the very end, not to be as the media wants to call me the key witness. i i'll accept it, but that's not what i call myself. i am the narrator of the story. >> yes. what i did is i took everybody's statements. >> i took documentary evidence, emails, text messages, et cetera. >> vote recordings. >> and what did we do? we took the statements by other witnesses. we put it all together, which corroborated everything that i'm saying. so just because donald trump, what todd blanche makes a statement that michael cohen committed perjury it doesn't make a difference what they say. it's not supported by any of the jurors any of the 12 jurors. it wasn't supported by the judge. it's not supported by anything other than the defendant himself and his lawyer. >> well, of course i'll delve to fight that on appeal. i mean okay. >> this all goes back to and i want to start here on one thing you went to prison because you lied to congress and you've said you did that to protect donald trump. >> you're working for donald trump. who did that to protect them. and you told me the prison takes your soul. now, do you think about it in the context of donald trump? >> do you want that to happen to him to i would like for him to experience what i felt. i'd like for him to experience for 51 days of solitary confinement feels like considering he and bill barr with the ones that actually caused the 51 days of solitary confinement so yeah, i would however out of respect for the office of the presidency and believing that judge much schon is really very solid ammonium as a judge i'm not certain that donald will ever see the inside of a prison i believe it will probably be an incredibly strict confinement scenario where it's the same as being there. you're not going to have access to the internet. people don't just come in and come out. yeah. gil, the only differences he'll have his own food. but he's not going to have the access. he's not going to run. >> are you okay with that? >> yes. and i'm okay with it only because of my respect for the process, my respect for the office of the presidency, my concern goes far greater than enjoying seeing donald go into a prison and wearing an orange jumpsuit donald, we'll talk about things that he shouldn't talk about. he will give up national security secrets. let's not forget for 40 years, if he's in prison yes, for four years, he was he was debriefed and he's going to be debriefed now to as a felon, which blows my mind if he becomes the republican nominee will, he give away that information and put yours mind and our families and everybody's families in harm's way. >> absolutely. >> so. >> okay. >> i understand how you're saying that you want them to feel that feeling of loss in soul. >> if he does not win the election, he could be going prison in this case, as well as in federal cases, right. january 6, mar-a-lago here's i think i don't know if you've had a chance to think about this yourself, sort of, you know, kind of in your own heart. do you think president biden should pardon him? >> no, absolutely not. why not? because i think it would be wrong. i think that the country deserves to know that no one is above the law. and that includes a rogue former president who has done everything everything to violate the constitution. the very document that is the foundation of our democracy so he, he spoke about you today, but that speech he gave now, let me just play exactly what he said about you i'm not allowed to use his day because of the gag order. >> but you know, he's just sleazebags everybody knows that took me a while to find out but he was effective. he did work, but he wasn't a fixer. he was a lawyer so i still talking about you actually, you're asleep bag but you were effective? yeah. alright. i'm an effective sleazebags. again, there's nothing that donald trump can say that has any effect upon me at all. the days of me being in the cult of that dumpster cult of donald trump is over, right now. >> he wants to call me a convict. one's called me a felon. guess what? pow. so will you so were you when you and i had a conversation a couple of months ago and we are talking about the lying to congress. you said that at that time if you had not been caught, if that hadn't caught up to you at that time, you were still working for him, you were lying on his behalf that you weren't you were wondering whether you would still be working for trump do you think you'd still be working for trump now? you know, i know this is gonna sound sort of, i don't know hollywood ish but it's an issue that keeps me up a lot. >> at night. it plays in my head all the time where would i be when i was in otis bill there were a couple of inmates friends of mine that would say why don't just keep your mouth shut stop attacking the president because he was the president at the time. meeting with the manhattan da, who came up three times while i was there yeah gil part in, you you'll end up working for fox news newsmax and oan, or you'll run the rnc or something like that and your life will go back into something great and he'll be the president again. it'll, it'll i couldn't do it i made a promise to my wife, my daughter, my son, and the country that my loyalty for him for him was over and i had said that going back to july 1 of 2018 and it has been six years next month, it'll be six years since i made that promise. i did on abc with george stephanopoulos and i'm gonna, and i set up, is going to live up to it. i'm going to do that so i can show my children that doing the right thing. it's never bad to do the right thing. >> well, michael, i really 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that was there and was steve for x-men. and this has been a really big coup for the trump campaign schwarzman, the ceo, chairman of blackstone, somebody who had supported trump, ali was in the white house and before that. but this year during the gop primary said it was time for a new generation of leadership in the public in hardier real staying to donald trump. but just last week that he would be supporting the trump campaign. and now we have learned that he was dying being with him just hours after the conviction and other notable name there was real estate mogul jose pepe fan, who'll among others, and i am told that this number for this $53 million, which again, we have not verified and we will not be able to verify until we see the epc report. >> but generally speaking, they are honest about this because they don't want the news around the fact that they lied around those numbers by just has to be the caveat. >> but the $53 million that is just money from online. so all of these dinners that he's been having this week with these big time donors who are cutting checks that doesn't include that kind of money. i am told there are still millions some dollars there. that is the soft money and keep in mind, we also know marion madison has just said she's going to donate millions to one of donald trump's super pac that was established back in 2020. so you're seeing a real republican donors coming to roost. we'll see what comes out of next week. donald trump on thursday leaves for a big west coast button raising trip both in california and nevada. i mean, the really interesting thing here is that we spent the big portion of the first part of his ear talking think about how no one, none of these big time daughters wanted to get behind donald trump and now it seems as though they are all starting to circle the wagons. >> yeah. i mean, amazing seeing all of them after after what they said and what they thought. now, doing this, kristen, thank you very much. outside trump tower tonight. >> and even as trump is now raised, 50 $3 in small donor money, they say, and untold more at this point from those big donor dinners, he is preparing to be sentenced. >> that's the reality. and that's scheduled to happen on july 11. sends could range from jail time to probation or community service, but before the judge decides a pre-sentencing report needs to be prepared and trump will be spending time gathering letter first of support tried to convince the judge two for an easier sentence in front. now, mark merav, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor. so marc, obviously mean it's gonna be fascinated, be a fly on the wall for that process. >> for trump's team. >> can you explain what happens next from now until well, that sentencing day, assuming that it's remains on july 11 yes. sure. the pre-sentence investigation you mentioned, it's just that baseline. when was foundation has done usually by the probation, parole i'm and just to give the judge some insight into the demographics in this case, everyone knows what it's going to be in that report. but more importantly, i've insurgents in presentations are going to be made by either side. >> they're called aggravation. >> that'll be the prosecutor coming in and saying, give mr. trump a harsh sentence. and here's why. and mitigation from the other side, the defense go and give him very little sentence probation, whatever. and here's why. and it's very interesting because the way those to present to the court is going to open up arguments. one to the other. >> the better trump's team says he is the more that they state will come in and say no, he's not. >> and that opens up everything from hearsay, two letters, two witnesses to almost in a wender as to who this person issues about resurgence because the sentencing procedure is pretty wide open as far as what you want to present. >> you know, it's an incredible just to go through this. i mean, this is the system, this is the system at work and he's obviously as part of this with as a convicted felon prior to sentencing, i know the standard here, mark is for him to sit down with an interview with a probation officer so what happens in that interview? i mean i guess what happens? what do you think would happen in the case of trump? >> in the case of trump, if i'm on his team i am not going to let him say you very much to probation officer. you cannot acquire the judge cannot require it so i would say he's going nowhere near an interview. and the reason why is there so much information that then would be public knowledge? that could come back to haunt him in any of the other cases that he has going. and quite honestly, if i were to look at the tea leaves from this and many other cases this judge probably has within five or 10% of his mind made up, not in a bad way, but you can't live in this case as a judge no, the case instead out and not already have a gut as to where you're going. and let's face it, nothing that's going to be said in aggravation from the state including the other cases pending and everything else in other whatever they want to present, nor what they're going to say as to how good a person donald j. trump is he's really going to have significant impact on the court. >> it's really interesting that you say a judge would only have five to 10% of their mind made up. i mean, honestly without thinking of judges bias, i think it'd be the other way around. okay. >> 90% is mine. >> okay, good. that makes sense to me because i'm thinking, wow, he's been seeing their six weeks and he's okay. so i get it you clarified, i misheard you so michael calm was just here a couple of moments ago and he said, look, he wants trump to experience what he did. he talks about, how we prison in solitary confinement stole his soul, but then he said that he thought trump would get home confinement. and he would support that because of trump having held the office of president of the united states. >> do you agree with that so if i would commit and be convicted of the crimes that donald j. >> trump was just convicted. i think i would go to jail. i just think so because he's guilty of what they say. he's guilty having now the jury is set so not only is it 34 felony counts, but it's a real attack on the institution of democracy in america without getting all up on a pedestal. and that's very significant. and i think i would go to prison for it. now i tend to agree with mr. cohen suggestion that i think the judge has to look beyond mr. trump in this situation and say, we have a former president of the united states, we may actually also have an upcoming future president of the united states and i think the idea of protecting that level of american democracy may outweigh the idea that donald j. trump convicted felon needs to be in prison or jail. i think you will stay at home in a very harsh home confinement setup it is interesting though, the state's these thoughts and what judge marsha and 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conviction on 34 different felony counts may affect the 2024 rematch donald trump refers to himself as a political prisoner and blames you directly what's your response to that, sir do you think that conviction will have an impact on the campaign we'd love to hear your thoughts, sir, should be on the ballot but what do voters think? especially i'm one of the crucial swing states that will likely decide the election. nick valencia is outfront trump with 24 go trout, millicent, abby gets emotional when talking about donald trump. i love you trump when you look at that flag, what do you think? >> what do you see? what do you feel well i just i just i just feel he's coming back, but 64-year-old grandmother was right here at her home in atlanta when the guilty verdict came down. she wasn't watching her husband, who is a democrat was, but abby says she made up her mind a lot long time ago, except that we've added a little bit because they say, well trump this, trump that he's going to jail and this who cares, who cares? we don't care you don't care at all that he's a can know. we don't know no do you understand that some people would say, you know, the justice system worked here. >> he is justices out on the trail of atlanta's belt line, the heart of the city is liberal enclave voters were shocked. anyone could still support trump after the guilty verdict. >> i just think it's crazy. i think somebody who doesn't know your name doesn't care about you at all having that kind of loyalty to somebody who would throw you to the dirt for nothing? this is insane, i think that trump is kind of put himself in this position where he's seen as almost a religious figure by a lot of his supporters. and they are willing to follow him regardless of what he does. and that is that is a scary thing. >> i'm kind of upset that he could still run for president and being a felon. but that's how it is clearly just the most despicable person who's ever run in this country. and the guilty verdict. >> oh, i mean, i'm not surprised 20 miles north in cobb county voters here weren't surprised either. >> in this populace atlanta suburb crucial to biden flipping georgia four years ago, people we spoke to watch the case closely for more than a dozen voters. we spoke to the verdict reaffirmed the way they were all it's ready, leaning. >> do you think that he got a fair shake? >> i think so. yeah, i think so. i mean, it was a jury of toy and that's how we've always done in his country. >> every man knows he did it he is, he's guilty. >> i think everything happens for a reason and i think that when you do bad, that god sees what you do and he punishes you as he sees do you wish that trump could be president forever? >> yes, i would ask for millicent, abby. >> she says nothing would stop her from voting for trump in november. so he could literally go on fifth avenue and shoot someone supportive. >> and you would support them some of you may be wondering how we met millerson abby. well, that was driving through in town atlanta earlier this week and i saw trump flag, which is sort of a rarity for a deal. he blew counties. so we started there and knocked on her door. i don't think any of us expected who to meet who we met when she came to the door. but she tells me she's such a hardcore supporter of trump to the bone that she would vote democrat again, if trump switched parties because she says she believes he's a good person, but every other voter that we spoke to wasn't as convinced. in fact, one of the voters that we spoke to in that p.sit says that she has reluctantly voting for joe biden because trump has been proven to be as bad of a person and she doesn't want a hand the election over in a state where it was such a small margin of victory in the last election, aaron. >> all right. nick, thank you. as fascinating and fast. sanda hear from all of them, i'll front now the republican governor of south dakota, kristinoem and governor noem, i really appreciate your time and obviously, you heard voters different points of view there. i want to ask you about one of them in particular, because she describes herself as a christian and an independent voter to obviously very important groups to trump, to win this election. she said, she's turned off by trump now, she said, quote, when you do bad, god sees what you do. any punishes you as he sees fit. what do you say to her? >> i would talk to her about winning her heart and mind back to the policies that really worked for the average american is governor. i've had the chance to serve as governor under president trump and under joe biden. and every day that president trump was in the white house i had the chance to be on offense for my family's in south dakota we were able to work on real solutions to put more money in their pockets. we were able to drive down gas costs and grocery costs for them. they had more opportunities, created more jobs as soon as president biden went into the white house, i went on defense. we've had fighting inflation, we've got an open border that's making their communities more dangerous. so what i would say to her is look at your quality of life life today and tell me what it's like compared to when president trump was in office. because the one thing about president trump that i'm grateful for is i've never seen somebody gets so attacked so attacked and especially throughout this trial, it was one that was obviously a sham trial that was set up for a conviction so that they could get to talking point to win an election and that is one thing that i'm just so surprised by is that every day when i talk to people they see through it and they recognize what has happened and there's a role of people. people talk about what a dark day in history this is, i think it really is a day of hope because i see president trump's still willing to stand up and fight for our freedom. he said today he wanted to fight to continue to protect get dark constitution that's the foundation of america and to have someone who can get so attacked and try to be destroyed by, they want to destroy him and his family. i think everybody who had a part in this trial is gonna go down in history as being a part of trying to take down america and a man who was trying to protect it. >> so i wanna show you, call it a sham trial. i'm curious what your thoughts are next week. a hunter biden's on trial in a case bought and brought by joe biden's department of justice is that a sham trial to know? i think it was interesting about the trial with president trump is that we had a judge that obviously i had donated to president biden before when he is requirements by new york ethics rules said that he had to recuse himself and that type of situation he did not instead, he's still presided over this entire process, president trump, to ask for this to be moved to a different venue, knowing the 90% of the voters there did not support him. they voted for president biden. he did not get the benefit of that. he did not get his witnesses that he wanted that would have brought clarity to federal election rules. he did not get the same kind of treatment from the judge that the prosecution did. they got incredible latitude, you just said michael cohen, odd for goodness sakes of man who admitted in the last couple of weeks that to grand theft larceny. the demand is a known thief and a liar and has done it over and over again and lied under oath to congress. and now with the guy wants credibility but i out of it. isn't his boss at the time president trump, but of course he's trying to save his own reputation, but he doesn't have any left and that's the problem is they built this whole case around a guy like michael cohen who will say and do anything that benefits michael cohen and that's what's sad about this. aaron it makes me says it lawn order is supposed to be blind it's governor. >> i was in that courtroom several days i several people testified and i had the opportunity to watch the jury and they paid attention. they were into fatigable and paying attention they were serious there was no no favor shown by any of them. and you could look at them and there were times, as you know, i don't know if you've heard people say, oh, well, one of them was sort of nodding and smiling at jd vance. maybe there was bias on the other side they came out unanimously, 12 of you and my american citizen colleagues, and they came to this conclusion. are they a sham or they rigged? >> no i believe that this jury is 12 people that sat there and listened to what they were presented, and that what they were presented was unbalanced, that the prosecution was treated very differently than the defense the instructions that they were given were unconstitutional and that what this jury worked with, what they had to see a trial the last six weeks. and then they go out to deliberate and they come back so quickly on 34 counts. i mean, that's just that's what i mean, it was 12 hours and then we actually did a piece on this. i mean, it actually was longer than a lot of other trials to be honest, i mean, it wasn't wasn't that short the deliberation was longer for a six-week trial. the deliberation a lot is a lot that we had looked at i mean, they they going i mean, are you questioning they're there for i mean, it's interesting. >> i don't question i don't question the jury's efforts. a question. the process for how this trial was conducted by this judge, an activist judge an activist judge who very much decided how he wanted this to come out, got exactly what he wanted and the prosecutors got what they wanted. they had this plan for a long time and they think it's going to work to them politically to benefit and what they're doing is undermining america in our foundations. so i'm going to continue to make sure that we look and show the proof of what these leaders do and the impact they have on the families in this country. >> so it presidential one question. house. i actually, i'm very curious about this. i want to ask you something else too, but governor, when you were saying you don't question what the jury did, you don't like the instructions they were given, what they were presented, but are you saying then that if you had been sitting on that jury, that you would have come to this same conclusion with the context of the rules and the evidence that was presented to you? >> i don't i don't answer how you hypotheticals. i have no idea what it's like to sit in their shoes and sit in their seats all day like they did. so what i would say is that the american people should look the facts surrounding what just happened the last six weeks and then precedent and it actions that were taken during this trial and take it for what it's worth and recognize that we need a president that back in the white house that gets up every day and fights for them and our world was much more secure then as well, look at what happened this week. what president biden and his team have been able to do to distract america with this trial. they've there were not just talking about this open border. the fact that president biden is violating federal law by allowing them. i do think it's important to note that the trial was not brought by the department of justice, which is bringing a case against president biden, son hunter biden that starts next week. this case, the department of justice did not choose to pursue against trump. it was brought by new york so you just said that biden's case. that's not true we all know that the obama administration officials that were wrote to this da's office in order to bring forward this type of action against president trump. and we all recognize that hillary clinton did this exact same thing and she paid a fine for it. and instead, when it's president trump and no crime was committed, and he did nothing wrong. instead, they bring 34 felony counts and convictions against him. it's complete different judicial treatment and that is what is being undermined in our country. tree that i think is so unfortunate, so devastating to us going forward. and meanwhile, in the rest of the world, we have israel that we need to rebuild trust with president biden, who gave a very confusing press conference today, may de-stabilizing the middle east. and then we saw the united states allow ukraine to use western weapons to go oh, and to elevate hostilities with russia where i'd love to have a broader conversation with you about that. i'd love to have a broader conversation about whether you ukrainian from those issues, but i want to ask you, when you talk about the conviction and donald trump is now a convicted felon of 34 counts. >> he has said that your name is on his list for vp governor, just a few weeks ago, we called you a terrific person. >> he said, i like are a lot if you offers you the vp spot, are you willing to run and serve with him even though he is now a convicted felon you guys want him to win and he and he knows that i've told him that before. is it, sir? i just want you to win because i know how different life was when you were in the white house making the decisions. and i love my job as governor. i absolutely love it. and i look of my states, so but i want him to win. and so i'll do it i can to be helpful. >> all right. well, governor noem, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much. thank you. you bet. you have a wonderful evening. you too. and next i'm going to get reaction to what governor noem just said from the co-chair of the biden campaign plus, if trump is sentenced to jail time, what would his time behind bars look like special report ahead whatever your business needs, this printed. yeah. this sprint, like rachel needed fund packaging design, and print a new stickers, tape. and thank you. cards. poorly and ducky needed get their brand up so they print a new t-shirts, bottles, and caps. and tasha well, she needed a total refresh, so misr and 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conviction on 34 felony counts but i think the legal system and alleging the president biden was involved, he was not out front now to respond to noem's comments, cedric richmond, co-chair of the biden harris 2024 campaign, also was a senior adviser and the biden white house. so cedric, you were sitting there and you had a chance to listen to governor she made the allegation that this was a quote, sham trial that was set up to help democrats win the election. she was very clear about that. what's your response to that it said it sad to see so many republicans just forfeit their morals and their conscious to please donald trump. >> and i think we see that over and over again. i had the pleasure of serving with the governor and congress. but now you see that donald trump has taken over the republican party and it's all about donald trump. and when you look at president biden, he's more concerned with the american people. and i think that now you see that probably more than ever before so a marist poll that just came out this week shows and i'm saying, obviously came out before the actual conviction says 67% of registered voters. so that if trump was convicted, it would make no difference to their vote. 15% said it would make them more likely to vote for trump, 17% less likely and we just got the numbers. i don't know if you heard cetera, because we probably weren't hooked in yet. but you may have known the numbers last night. they said they raised $34.8 million in a few hours there now have 255 million in small donations in just a few more additional hours and $55 million raised on the back of this conviction what kind of effect do you think this conviction is actually going to have on the election? well, the best way to get rid of donald trump is to beat him at the ballot box and we're going to continue to say that we're going to continue to run a campaign focused on the american people and the issues that they face and with the president the former president's not surprising that is hard core bass doubled down and gave him money because he asked for it. but that is his hardcore base and i think that when you look at moderate republicans, you look at independence. i think that this is disqualifying for them and there were already on the verge anyway, but we will continue to run a campaign based on what the president has been able to do. his vision for the country has karatay, his wisdom. and we will point out, though alternative. but i think that no matter how hard his advocates and governor known tries to paint a picture of pleasant days when he was in. clearly they forgot the a hundreds of thousands of americans that died. the 54% of schools that were closed when he was in office the fact that he lost more jobs he's the second president history of the united states to lose more jobs than but do you worry people that all on covid and they say that covid and not him well his response to covid was incompetent and ridiculous. >> remember, he said, it'll just go away. he encouraged americans to drink bleach. we came into office on the first day we got vaccines out and we made sure that we treated it in a responsible way. for the pandemic that it was and we got schools open, we got checks and people's pockets, and we got kids back in school and people back at work. >> all right. well, i obviously would like to ask you a lot more about that because i think there's a lot of complexity over the i can biden set of checks and trump's and the inflation we're facing now but cedric, i want to ask you about something that i played a few moments ago and i wanted to give you a chance to respond and the context i want to put around it is from the most recent polling, we have 23% of black voters would choose trump and two-way race between trump and biden. obviously that's an incredibly high number relative to historic elections. and nick valencia was in georgia. he was in a swing county. he saw trump flag went, and knocked on the door the woman who met met him at the door who lives there as a black voter, self-described lifelong democrat and she now supports trump. so we asked her why and she said this you don't care at all that he's a convicted felon now know do you understand that some people would say, you know, the justice system worked here. he what does this isn't how concerned are you about sentiments like that well, we have work to do in terms of all demographics, but in the black community, we have to make sure that we get out. >> we talked to when we knock doors and we communicate that under president biden, we reduce black child poverty by i 50% that black unemployment is an all-time low black business startup is an all-time high black wealth is up 60%. >> the racial wealth gap is the lowest. >> it's ever been but we have to communicate that and that's what campaigns are four will continue to do it. >> yeah, republican obstruction blockage george floyd act, but the president did it with an executive order. 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new york has a maximum of 20 years for felonies like this. and there's a real question about whether he'll actually serve anytime in prison. jason carroll is outfront this is a scam. >> donald trump showed no sign of contrition in front of cameras today, the former president choosing some of his words carefully, i'm under a gag order. >> nasty gag order. where i've had to pay thousands of dollars and penalties and fines. and was threatened with jail. >> trump has already violated. the court's gag order ten times violations, which can be considered during his sentencing, is just one of the factors. judge juan merchan will review now that trump has been convicted on all 034 counts of falsifying business records. each count carries up to a $5,000 fine and a maximum of a four-year prison sentence, though, legal experts say jail time for trump seems unlikely for a number of reasons, including trump is a first-time offender. his age, he's 77-years-old hold and he was convicted for a low-level felony. and consider this according to the new york law journal, than manhattan district attorney's office has prosecuted more than 400 cases involving falsifying business records since 2015 recent data shows just one in ten resulted in a defendant serving jail time if and again, a very big if trump is sentenced to jail time, he could end up at any one of several facilities in new york city including the notorious rikers island. >> and majority of the facilities are on rikers, but there are what are also referred to as the borough houses. see are jails that are located in four of the five rows of new york. >> trump would also have what corrections experts call sight and sound separation from the general inmate population, sell it is that we would accomplish separation for the safety and security of that individual and others dan horwitz is a defense attorney who has some insight into the workings of the manhattan district attorney's office? if he wasn't the former president, if he wasn't running for president again, this would be an entirely different conversation. >> horwitz formerly prosecuted white-collar cases for the manhattan da and says are more realistic outcome for trump might involve in paying a fine sentenced to probation a conditional discharge, or home. did tension. >> would you prefer to sit at mar-a-lago? maybe play a round of golf if the probation department of commits you to do that, but you're not permitted to go on the campaign trail. i guarantee you that donald trump would say, i'd prefer not have home detention. it is a restriction on your liberty. there is no doubt about that certainly trump's critics would not like to see him serve any of his time at any of his luxury properties, including here at trump tower whatever the sentence judge sean has a number of options erin. >> all right. jayson. thank you very much. and before we go, some news, just breaking tonight, the obamas are announcing that michel's mother, marion robyn since then passed away today in chicago in a statement, former president obama writing with a healthy nudge, she agreed to move to the white house. we needed her the girls needed her, and she ended up being our rock through at all. according to michelle obama, she was the most popular person in the white house. something she and her mother have spoken about mad cow them into allowing me to do my own laundry. and she was the most beloved figure in the white house. let me tell you. i believe had asked dream of people butler's the housekeepers, they would all stop by and they would grandma's room was like the confessional marion robinson was 86-years-old. thanks for joining us. the news continues now right here on cnn