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people talk, people meet, they meet about something about what about catching and killing a story not in and of itself, illegal, but when matched to other critical information such as a campaign, such as such as money that's paid to hush that, such as reimbursements right. or legal fees or retain a fees, right that is factual consideration. >> drop-down menu. exactly. right. and so this goes to the heart of the story last point, if i'm speaking to you about anything, it's not about the minutia. you're not going to remember the specifics of what i said. you remember the context. what is the moral of the story? the moral of this? this story is that there were some agreement that would ultimately affect the campaign in a way that could be unlawful if that's the case, jon and kate guess what? there's problems in paradise for the defense. one of these instances is a story where donald trump called david pecker pull david pecker out of a meeting that pecker was into talk about? >> karen mcdougal. so it was a somewhat dramatic moment there. again, you don't know why the jury wants it, but it is something the prosecution leaned into as far as having a jury instructions read back. >> we don't know if they want all of it. >> part of it. which parts, but which parts? would the defense be happy about having read back in which parts for the prosecution behalf you all right. >> so in terms of the jury instructions, right. we know about the 55 pages. we know that the judge spent an hour instructing the jury. there's a big argument as well. they should have the instructions back there, new york is so arcane. i'm going to stand up for new york. >> why are you standing up for one didn't have the rules the row here's the, here's the deal, okay? >> because the jurors are not well, let's to lawyers on them, but the two lawyers on the jury shouldn't be the ones influencing the province of the judge's to instruct the jury. you have a legal question. you come to me and i will speak to you to the issues of legality now, in terms of what's important, what's important is the reading of the issue concerning why we're here and how you become guilty. what am i talking about? there's this thing called falsification of business records, which in and of itself is simply a misdemeanor, still a crime, but punishable by up to a year and a petty crime. but you have to make a leap with respect to getting to the felony. how do you make that leap? i think they need clarity he with respect to that, we get if there's legis falsified invoices falsified checks, falsified. but then how do we get to the leap of this other issue with respect to finding him guilty of the felony, the concealment of another crime. and if we find he concealed another crime, how do we get there? last point, there the issue related hitting two unlawfulness. that's the whole tweet right-wing conspiracy. oh, you don't have to find unanimous. the jury always has to be unanimous. however, there's one issue that's critical and that relates to if you found he ultimately falsified the business records and then there was concealment to the business records, right? concealing what other crime new york state campaign finance crime, right. that talks about this three-pronged, if you found that he got there from unlawful means, whether that is because of a federal violation, whether that's because of a tax violation, whether that's because of the issue the minutely of falsifications of records. right you can find him guilty even if the jury is not in a chord on the specific unlawful means he got there. >> i think they need clarity on that based upon the confusion. >> just the simple fact that it does this surprise you, is it surprising if they are, if they are really focusing more on david pecker, then necessarily debating the credibility one of michael cohen in that room. surprises. >> so it is. and here's what else is surprising to me. remember the jury instruction also which they could be focusing on, and that is the jury instruction that says, if you don't believe a witness, you can disregard the totality of the testimony. you could accept that portion, which you believe to be credible, or you could reject portions and decide which there's in which not the fact that they're looking for michael cohen's testimony means he's not disregarded. they want to know what he has to say. now you could say they're comparing that to peccaries part, right? 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why here, why now? so the threats began with online postings in late april, but there was one of particular concern that came up this week, the day before yesterday that caught the attention of authorities. >> now, we need to separate a couple of things. one is threats from isis k. this is a highly capable external operations. terrorist group that operates out of the pakistani afghan border. but they are also the group that organized the attack in moscow against the shopping mall. a devastating attack the attack on general sulla, many's memorial service, which killed dozens of people in iran. so we know that capability, what you have to sort out is an external operations terrorist group isn't going to telegraph with big advertisements a secret operation does strike a target in another country. on the other hand, they do have the flip side of their coin, which is they inspire the lone wolf terrorists. and that is probably what we're seeing here and attempt to inspire people on us soil to do something. now, nassau county pd came out with a 40 page threat assessment in advance of these, games going over. because remember, it's every team, every country, and visitors from those countries what the threat is between the particular countries involved in a game, the threats for each countries but the fbi and their bulletin which came out yesterday, says specifically, homegrown violent extremists and loan offenders are of particular concern due to their ability to remain undetected until operational, which basically means when the person is acting on their own, there's no conspiracy, not a lot of communications. that's a real vulnerability for intelligence. >> home grown, that means from here, not arriving from, as you said, the afghan pakistan exactly. all right, interesting bears watching john miller. thank you very much for that. time is up for boeing. we're standing by for the company to reveal its new plan to fix safety issues after the door plug blew out mid-flight on one of its planes in which controversial tech billionaire reportedly toxic donald trump's several times a month. his name rhymes with cmmi, launched must new reporting on what could be a growing alliance and see it adds new original series, violent url hosted by the air schreiber explores the science behind first, devastating natural disasters. this is a brief dealing years after d-day, jake tapper talks to top generals about the state of democracy. >> are we protecting what we want to save? 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to get this right okay. >> it's a big moment for boeing to prove it's turning the ship around following this year's back-to-back bad headlines, still unclear if boeing will release this new plan to the public, but we will hear from faa administrator mike whitaker about this. boeing is trying to prove its planned so far is a fixed for the quality control issues highlighted that for the alaska airlines door plug blowout that grounded the 7:37 next nine nationwide, 419 days boeing stresses that is already laid out clearer assembly line instructions for workers, as well as training improvements for the tools also on the factory floor notably, boeing's says it's now hounding suppliers to no longer ship defective parts. remember, it was an issue with the fuselage built by the supplier called spirit aerosystems that caused boeing workers to remove the door plug on the 7:37 that was ultimately delivered to alaska airlines, the door-plug was put back, but all of the bolts, we're not boeing is in general just trying to fix its safety culture when a report found that boeing had gaps in the safety culture, there's something underscored by whistleblowers that has lead to delays in certification and deliveries of planes. >> we will be keeping an eye on what is in this new plan. >> outgoing boeing ceo dave calhoun, also reportedly going to be in this meeting the faa administrator today. >> now, we know the faa administrator said this report. it's the beginning, not the end of the long road of getting back to where boeing needs to be. he says it's great to see up. let's see what what impede can get his hands-on today in terms of that reporting, john or a new report in the wall street journal says that donald trump is considered during advisory role for elon musk, the tesla ceo and faltering social media mogul. that is, if trump gets back to the white house, the journal writes, the two men are developing a friendly rapport and talk on the phone several times a month as the election nears that people familiar with their talk said, pair of held discussions on it immigration, technology, and science, including the us space force, their views and interests have grown more aligned. the people said with musk calling trump directly on his cell phone, joining me now is carillon bardo deputy wall street bureau chief of the wall street journal, who was one of many reporters on the by-line of this story. thanks so much for being with us. >> so just talk first about the nature of this relationship yeah, john, thanks for having me and it's pretty striking. i mean, trump and musk historically, just a few years ago, were trading with each other. now, as you said, they speak on the phone several times a month must cause from bob directly on his cell phone it's it's kind of interesting, but not that surprising if you think about trump, i mean, he's someone who's obviously drawn to wealth and power. musk is one of the world's richest people. he oversees a sprawling business empire. not only tesla, but twitter and spacex, which the rocket company. so it's not surprising that trump would be a get into know must at the same time musk politics have shifted rightward recently. he's tweeted about being frustrated with some of the directions and the democratic party dei initiatives, for example, or something, doesn't like. and migration in particular is really kotb. his attention as a major issue and it's heavily criticized by so you're reporting, you say trump is considering him for an advisory role if he gets back to the white house, what exactly does that mean it's interesting because we have blueprints for this actually, the advisory role, our understanding, of course, the details aren't worked out. >> this is all preliminary, but it would be something informal that would be useful for musk because it likely would not require him to walk away from his business dealings or walton interests other first term, he had several business moguls in his ear informally advising the amount of variety of topics, one of which was billionaire investor carl icahn in carl icons cases was not an official role. it didn't require confirmation and he didn't have to walk away from this business dealings, so we in. fact it will be something like that if it comes together so if you've been listening to what donald trump has been saying on the campaign trail once thing he really seems not to like electric vehicles, he throws shade on evs whenever he can eat, will musk is pretty deep into electric vehicles here. >> so how does elon musk justify? i working with the guy who wants to sort of end his industry so it's a fascinating dynamic. >> i can't say that our reporting has fully unpacked that issue. >> you know, what we know is that trump and must have talked about eb tax credits they talked about tesla in their calls as we know, trump on the campaign trail has been tough on evs must himself has even made comments anti ebv tax credits, his kind of been a mixed bag when it comes to that issue over the years. >> so what we can't wait parse that out yet, but that'll be something that i think people will be deeply incident given the humongous impact that has on teslas. >> yeah. >> it is a strange dynamic. there so musk, who granted, says a lot of things that aren't always consistent. >> i believe he said he's not going to endorse in this election. >> i mean, is that going to change as he going to get overtly involved in supporting donald trump it's really interesting because this is not your typical billionaire gives a ton of money and expects to influence policies like that. it's not quite that directed a path, but there's a suggestion of a kind of behind the scenes dynamic, as you mentioned so our understanding is so far he's resisted endorsing. he's resisted giving large sums of money to any candidate, but he is not only talking about this advisory role, but also planning to projects on the side with a friend of his that have the goal of helping trump win reelection. one of those projects is a major even driven project to weed out what they consider voter fraud obviously an issue that trump has talked about without evidence for awhile. and another project is the series of salon style dinner parties with influential business leaders that trump and his sorry that musk and his friend nelson peltz the investor, are arranging around the country and the idea there will be two highlight what they see a shortcomings and biden's administration rather than directly endorsed trump. >> this is a really interesting article. carolyn barto, thank you for coming on and sharing your reporting with us this morning. appreciate it. >> thank new warning from researchers this morning, getting a tattoo may significantly increase the risk of developing lymphoma. lymphoma, a type of blood cancer seen as jaclyn howard is looking into this new study and she's here with us now. jacqueline, what are you learning? >> yeah. kate, the study looked at nearly 12,000 people in sweden and it found that those who had tattoos had a 21% increased risk of malignant lymphoma compared with people who had no tattoos. and the researchers say that we do need more research in this area. it was just an association that was bound, but they also pointed out that there was no evidence that having more tattoos lead to an even higher risk. and they also point out that this is just again, a correlation. it does not imply causation. so if you have a tied to and you see this study, there's no oh, it need to panic the researchers say we need to look more into what could be possibly behind this association. they say maybe it's because the tattoo or inke itself often contains carcinogenic chemicals. but again, more research is needed here, kate. so the main takeaway is that we just need more study in this space, especially because we know that here in the united states, 32% of adults have a tattoo. so any research related to tattoos, of course, we'll get a lot of attention, kate and the researchers say we do need more research in this particular area. >> interesting. thank you so much, jacqueline, great to see you. >> come into for us for more for us, a mayoral candidate was just assassinated in broad daylight. >> another candidate hospitalized after another there are armed attack. >> a closer, look at the violence plaguing mexico's upcoming elections. >> and then there is this true story. a man with a suspended drivers license shows up to court via zoom down there because right there, where is he? 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>> kate, we know a lot of people would love to buy right now, but they don't have enough saved up for a down payment. so a major mortgage lender is offering what they see as a solution here. this is from united wholesale mortgage. they have launched a 0% down mortgage program. it's opened the first it's time home buyers and lower income borrowers. essentially, it's two loans. the first one would cover up to 97% of the home value. the second one is for the remaining 3% up to $15,000. but experts are stressing, you really need to understand and read the fine print here. because if home prices stopped going thank to the moon, this could really backfire. so here's the deal. the second loan, it's interest-free, which is great. >> but it does have to be paid back in full if the home is sold, if the mortgages refinanced, or if the mortgage is paid off. now the issue here is that homeowners they're going to start with no equity at all. so sure. in prices are soaring right now, but there's no guarantee that's going to continue. and if home prices drop borrowers would instantly be underwater where they owe more than the home is worth. that's exactly what happened to the subprime meltdown 20 years ago. so imagine a scenario where you lose your job or you run into financial trouble and you have to sell your home, even if you're underwater, you still owe that second mortgage. and if you don't have the cash to come up with it, you're at risk of foreclosure and damaging your credit. that's what better market ceo dennis kelleher, he told me that this has the potential to turn the american dream of home ownership almost immediately into when nightmare. >> what does the company is saying about this? >> well, i did talk to an executive from united wholesale mortgage and he said, this 0% down program is great for consumers because it gets at that down payment problem. and he said that the critics are uneducated about the current state of the industry. and it's true underwriting standards are light years it's away from 20 years ago. back then, there were those infamous ninja loans where people were borrowing with no income, no job, no assets. that just does not fly right now for good reason. what's interesting though, is the company told me that demand is through the roof. this program launched two weeks ago. they've already got thousands of applications, and that's because as we know, it really, really tough out there right now. i mean, you have mortgage rates are high, home prices are even higher gallup had this poll that found that 21%, just 21% of americans say, it's a good time to buy right now. that is tied for a record low 76%, say a bad time. that's hard to get 76% of americans to agree on anything, but they agree on this. and so clearly this program is trying to get at the affordability problem. experts are just stressing. you need to understand what you're getting into because a solution like this is not without risk. >> now, what's the best way to get at the affordable exactly at the center of this. it's great to see you, matt, thank you for everything. thank you. >> john are new this morning? secretary of state antony blinken is signaling that the us could consider allowing ukraine to use american supplied weapons against targets on russian soil until now, the us has forbidden that, but nato allies have reverse course. so this is what secretary of state blinken is now saying as the conditions have changed, as the battlefield has changed, as what russia does has changed in terms of how is pursuing its aggression? escalation we've adapted and adjusted too. and i'm confident we'll continue to do that with this now seeing and military analysts retired lieutenant general mark currently general great to see you. >> this is a particular interest because of what's going on around kharkiv, which is ukraine's second-largest city. >> the russians have made recent gains over the border here. >> what would allow ukraine, allowing ukraine to use us weapons to target inside russia? >> what advantage would that give to ukraine? >> it's somewhat critical, john, and it's not just the ground advances the russians have made across the border. it is the use of the air that have, that the russian air force has used to launch glide bombs and missiles at the citizens of kharkiv itself the infrastructure damage at town is just been significant. it's a continuation of russia's war crimes against the people, violating everything within the geneva convention law, gland warfare. so when you provide the capability for ukraine to strike aircraft that are launching these glide bombs or hit targets where missiles are fired from, it, it will reduce the amount of supervision civilian casualties in places like kharkiv and in other places. but it also just stops the formation of russian forces from conducting operations across the border. russia has a great deal of space as it were within the the russian territory to do whatever they want. >> and that that space can't be uncontested. >> ukraine has got to go after some of those things to prevent further advances. now this is a change, this is a big deal because there's also the risk of the potential of russian escalate escalation, and they have mr. putin has mentioned numerous time that there's the potential for using nuclear weapons that's the riskiest part. and only the president can take on that risk as much as we would like to push or others would like to push. he's the one that would be responsible. >> so how far do you think the us might allow their weapons to be used striking inside russia? are we talking about an area right around the border which is here, or do you think it would be the type of thing where us weapons can be used to target deep inside russia well, john, i think i've mentioned to you one time the military acronym of dots depends on the situation and what is going weapons would go after where any kind of weapons that russia launches that could affect inside of ukraine. so when you're talking about very deep strike and, that's what the biggest concern or the biden administration is very deep strikes against russian capabilities, deep within russia, there's always already concerned about a radar site that was hit inside of russia that russia has claimed as interfering with their capability to defend themselves against the nucleus there strike. so you can see where there's a lot of commentary about what might happen if us weapons or nato weapons are used inside of the federal republic of russia. and what you have to do is ensure that it's just attacking the kinds of weapons that are going against ukraine. that's very difficult targeting process. and what ukraine is expected to do. >> one thing that it has been noted is that despite vladimir putin's bellicose rhetoric over the last two years, russia has been somewhat restrained in targeting us supply lines as it were. i mean, everyone knows that us weapons are coming into ukraine from poland here yet russia hasn't really targeted those armor weapon convoys with a hammer targeted the cowboys because those are very difficult to target john. >> but as you know, they have been launching missile strikes at a lot of western cities within ukraine. site specifically please lobbied and the various military facilities that are in the far west, almost on the polish border, russia has struck stationary targets in that way, but they basically can't get aircraft are the kind of guided missiles that will strike a large convoy. so it's very difficult for them to do that. but i got to tell you if russia good strike those convoys, they certainly would general mark hertling always great to have you on nice to see you this morning. thank you. >> very soon, the jury will begin its second day of deliberations in donald trump's criminal trial and 30 same time the jury is also still ought on who will be donald trump's running mate as he takes his presidential campaign from the trail to the courtroom and back to the trail again, though we have seen a pretty public campaign and audition from many who want to be trump's running mate this morning, there's new reporting and speculation that his vp pick maybe someone who's not even being discussed right now. one adviser telling cnn this historically, the more he says a name, the less likely it is to be that person joining us right now as republican strategist, your mughals singleton and democratic strategists julie vergennes, key, it's good to see you guys. i absolutely love that quote. sure. michael, if the list of known vp contenders includes and i will list for you ben carson, marco rubio, jd vance, elise stefanik, tim scott, doug burgum, tom cotton, just to name a few. who would you venture to guess is the off the radar type of vp contender then? >> i mean, you know what that's a good question. i would look at someone like brian sandoval, the former governor of nevada. he's latino american, represents the largest minority group in the country right now, 36 million latino americans are eligible voters. they're going to play, i would argue an outsized impact on this election, this november. so if i'm looking at this pool and i'm trying to advise the former president. i'm looking at two things. what demo groups i can potentially increase my margins, whether it's african american men or it's latinos, you need to have a running mate. i would argue, who represents one of those two communities? >> julie, let me read a little bit more of this reporting coming in. it is the following. >> there's a steady drumbeat of speculation within trump's orbit that the former president's flair for the dramatic well at some point, takeover many around the campaign believe the lack of secrecy surrounding the open audition raises the possibility trump's ultimately trump ultimately pick someone off the public's radar. a dramatic reveal would be, would do, could do. >> i don't know what to the race. i mean, do you think shaking things up? is that what is that what trump's campaign these were i mean, we not learn about donald trump after all these years, of course is dramatic of course it's like the apprentice, but i'll make a dramatic even if it was exactly the person or everyone said, luck take about what donald trump is missing, right? donald trump needs cash desperately. donald trump doesn't want anybody with his own profile or her own profile to overshadow him right? mike pence was perfect for him because mike pence walked behind them like a doodle folds medieval wife. >> and eventually actually did nothing to overshadow him whatsoever. >> doug burgum is the guy because doug burgum has an unlimited amount of money, he can put into a pack for trump if you wanted to, and fund the campaign that trump is having a hard time funding right now. and he's kinda loci guy. he's not somebody who's going to have a zone profile and jd vance not somebody who's gonna be the first of anything like a tim scott. he's gonna be, uh, mike pence with cash and that i think is something that is very appealing to donald trump. so it can be dramatic, it could be a whole apprentice types election process, but i think event of the day trump is going to revert back to what he needs, which is money somebody is going to do what he wants and not overshadow him. >> but may also ask you both about this new reporting from the wall street journal. john was talking about it earlier in the show that elon musk and donald trump had begins speaking several times a month since privately meeting in march at the home of billionaire investor and nelson peltz does does this make you happy or does this make you concerned sure. >> michael we looked at the former president needs cash and elon musk has a lot of cash and he has a lot of friends with a lot of cash. and in many ways, we've seen over the past several months, it's elon musk took over ownership of twitter. now, x, that he's become a many ways a darling of the right and so to have that relationship potentially have a suit no endorsement, if you will, by having this financial backing, i think we're certainly benefit the former president the reporting with from the journal julia's that the pair of held discussions on immigration technology, and science, including the us space force no matter what you think of elon musk i mean, he does control a massive social media platform. >> if he really would be leaning into supporting donald trump, advising donald trump working, i guess i can say if he would lean into really working against a joe biden. joe biden and his campaign, what impact could potentially have a ton, right? >> if musk actually wants to write a check into the pack again, as i keep saying, trump needs money, that could really change the trajectory because trump is having a hard time raising money right now, is blowing a lot of money on things that are not related to his campaign directly. so musk can help with that tremendously, must also controls twitter, right? and musk has an ability to have the algorithm promote trump type behavior, which actually he's already doing in some ways. but trump doesn't need to go on twitter himself to have elon musk work on his behalf on social media. and i think that's something that's very, very, very important to try trump, right? to both have that megaphone and also to have somebody with a lot of cash. so it is concerning to democrats. i want to play something one real quick question for you, julie, because the biden campaign is taking this new, more aggressive approach and trying to win over black voters. we're seeing a big, big campaign event. yes, sir. i want to play something donald trump play something joe biden said i think about this what would happen. black americans a stormed the capital i don't think he'd be talking about part it's the same guy wanted to tear gas, you as you peacefully protest at george floyd's murder the same guy we still cause the central park five guilty, even though they're exonerated he's that landlord or denies housing application because of the color your skin chicago. he's really going hard. i mean what is your reaction to this and this and this move? now, it's due more aggressive approach going after trump, specifically trying to win back over part of the coalition that got biden in the white house i mean, you're right, kate. and on the three points at the president made, he's not wrong. if you talk to many african american voters, they would tend to agree. but i think the issue here, kate, is that the president isn't speaking about the economy, and that's what a lot of african americans are concerned about specifically black men. we know what the racial issues tsar in this country, black people don't need to be lectured on that. you need to talk about how you're going to improve our plight in life. and the president isn't doing enough to speak to those issues there's a lot going on here, julie, it's great to see you. >> thanks for coming in. should michael thank he was always a new araf scene starts now