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I was in that room when all that happened yesterday is the judge Admonished Castello and warned the former president s attorneys that if he keeps it up everything is witness says may be stricken from the record. Was the kind of de that made you wish there were cameras inside that Courtroom Testimony is quickly winding down and sayyed 100 Centre Street, here behind me, pushing the country closer and closer to a vertex that will go down mystery know less about or what it is. Good morning to our viewers. Im Kaitlin Collins in new york and im jake tapper in washington. Youre watching Cnn Special Live Coverage of Donald Trumps hush money coverup hello, on the 19th De Of Trial Yesterday Prosecution rested on the 20th. The defense may follow suit on the stand in moments. Robert kraft Stella Stella is the lawyer who offered cohen advice when the former trump fixer was facing charges, hes now offering an account that directly contradicts what cohen when told the jury, castellows says that cohen related to him, that donald trump knew nothing about the Hush Money Cohen funneled to adultfilm guard director Stormy Daniels, win cohen made those payments and you cannot ignore the possibility that costello delivers a Repeat Performance of his behavior yesterday, the kaitlan just referred to again fingers judge juan, were sean in a way that kinda harm the former president s defense when costello steps down, the defendants may close out its case and then from, Closing Arguments. And then the case of the people of the state of new york versus Donald John Trump well, then it goes to the jury and kaitlan, as you mentioned, you are from report yesterday watching all of the Chaos Breakout tell us more about that i mean, jake in a trial that has had a lot of insane moments. This one might take the cake so far, and typically its been pretty normal inside that courtroom for all of Donald Trumps bluster and posturing outside of the courtroom. He is normally quite quiet at the Defense Table watching all of this happen, but yesterday was a moment, really like no other and ive never seen the judge, justice juan merchan this furious as he was yesterday. It didnt take long after Robert Costello was on the stand though he would continue to answer questions even though the judge had sustained objections to those and he was not supposed to answer, then he would tell the attorney who is questioning him to strike it from the record. You could see how visibly irritated the judge was getting at Robert Costello as he was basically ignoring the judge, even refusing to look get him at the beginning. And it was in that moment when the judge sent the jury out of the room, notably, and then had this complete dressing down of castello telling him that he was not going to roll his eyes or tried to strike testimony from the record when thats something only the judge can do inside that courtroom or even motor audibly and where the jury could hear it when he didnt like how the judge had ruled, but then Robert Costello basically was staring down the judge and that was the moment where he tried to clear the courtroom of the press, which obviously makes up most of the back of that room. Jake, you know, youve been inside that room and it was remarkable because the press did not want to leave. They believed that they should be there to witness that moment, given there arent even cameras inside the courtroom, it was pure chaos with Court Officials yelling at reporters to get out of the room to clear the room that theyd take our questions outside. An attorney for the press protesting that they wanted to stay and then of course, we saw in the transcript last night what happened in that moment where the judge said that he would strike all of Robert Costellos testimony from the record if he continued to act the way he did, of course, well find out pretty soon because he will be back on the stand. Cnns paula reid and john berman are here with me outside of the courthouse and paula it was a fight inside the trump team over whether to bring Robert Costello. And when i was watching that yesterday, i was thinking this is exactly why some members of the trump team did want to put them on the stand . Yeah, some members of that team having a big i told you so moment this morning, the concern was how he was going to perform on the stand now, his purpose for being there was to further undercut Michael Cohens credibility. Most importantly, to testify that Michael Cohen repeatedly told costello that he had no evidence of Criminal Wrongdoing by trump, and that was what he really was supposed to offer the defense, but instead, that kind of got lost in this spectacle. But to put it in the full context of the case does not the defendant. This is not Michael Cohen. This is a b list witness who instead of helping of the defense and a marginal way instead just created the most dramatic moment weve seen. So far. This is not going to make or break the case, but it does appear to be a forest error for the defense. They could have ended on Michael Cohen acknowledging that he stole from the Trump Organization, but instead, we believe that Robert Costellos going to be the last witness. And instead of really contradicting Michael Cohen, he was kinda contradicting the himself at times during his testimony. Well, look, you remember that Michael Cohen indirect was asked about Robert Costello and the reasons that he did not perhaps tell him everything that later came to light. And one of the reasons Michael Cohen basically gave is he didnt trust the guy. And now Robert Costello on the stand the jury saw some of it, not necessarily all of it, but gave them a reason, maybe not to trust him. Oh, i can understand why Michael Cohen may not want to confide in this man whos giving side. To the judge. I mean, sides of the judge elie, i mean, there really werent even words for it. Maybe some four letter words to really describe just how chaotic it was inside that room la. But Robert Costello is about to get back on the stand. Paulas write that he is kinda the sideshow, but hes not going to make or break the case here necessarily. But can you just put everything in context for us . Of what we are expecting today . Yeah. Caitlin, the prosecution has rested and today we are going to hear from probably the last witness in this trial. That is the aforementioned bob costello. Now, Robert Costello is a lawyer. Hes called to The Stand By Donald Trump as a Defense Witness, and he gave advice to Michael Cohen at a crucial moment in 2018 just after Michael Cohens home and office had been searched by the fbi, and it appears the Defense Perspective here is that bob costello undermines Michael Cohens testimony, contradicts among key points. For example, yesterday, costello testified that Michael Cohen said numerous times that President Trump knew nothing about these payments to Stormy Daniels then he did this on his own. Now, the crossexamination of costello started yesterday. It will resume in a little bit in court resumes, and it seems that the defense is pushing at the point that costello was actually trying to manipulate Michael Cohen to keep him from cooperating against donald trump. And theyve called into question costellos credibility. Of course, costello created the chaotic scene that you talked about. Well see if that continues today. Now, lets take a moment and step back and just take a look at where we are in the trial process. This is the defense case. Costellos probably going to be the last witness. Their theoretically, after that, the prosecution can put on a very brief what we call a rebuttal case. It does not appear the problem thats the is going to do that, then were going to take a week off. The jury is at least the judge is going to have them come back the day after memorial day, whereupon they will here Closing Arguments, they will be given their legal instructions and then they will begin to deliberate. The judge had a tough call. He wanted to keep closing Jury Instructions and deliberation sort of back to back to back. Thats used usually the way it happens. Now, later today after theyre done with the witness, the judge is going to Start Talking to the lawyers about Jury Instructions. This is really important part of the process. This is where the judge gives the jury their instructions on the law, and i just want to hit some highlights here as to what the judge is going to tell them. Hes going to start as must with the indictment itself. And lets just remind ourselves the charges here are falsifying Business Records in the first degree. There are 34 counts of that, one for each check ledger, an invoice, and the judge is going to give the jury what we call the elements, the pieces that make up the crime. Theres really two elements here. The first one is the prosecutors have to prove that donald trump knowingly made or cause a false entry in the Business Records. Now to understand that, we have to remember the way the money flowed. Michael cohen first paid 130,000 to Stormy Daniels and later was reimbursed 420,000 by donald trump and the Trump Organization and the allegation is they falsified those records to try to make them look like legal fees. When in fact, these were hush money payments to Stormy Daniels prosecutors are going to point to the documents largely theyre going to point to the checks, some of which were signed by donald trump. Theyre going to point to the invoices which say the word retainer, and theyre going to argue that right there is the falsification the second and final element of this crime is that it has to have been done with the intent to commit or conceal some other crime. Now, to this moment, the prosecutors have never specifically committed what that other crime is. Theyve mentioned federal Campaign Finance state Campaign Finance, tax fraud, although that really hasnt been developed. So i expect that what were going here from prosecutors today is our theory is this was a Campaign Finance crime. It was actually a payoff meant to affect the election. They tried to hide it by making it look like an attorneys fees. So when this resumes, jake, we got some really important business ahead of us today. Bob costello, well finish his testimony and then later on were going to get into the allimportant Jury Instruction, jake, so bigdye ahead and korde. Big day. Elie honig. Thank you so much. My panels here along with criminal Defense Attorney bill brennan, he represented Donald Trumps Payroll Corporation and the tax fraud trial. And trump himself in his second impeachment trial. Jamie, were about to see the last few hours of testimony in this case are allowed if not going to see it, were going to get little tidbits of it and sketch Sketch Artists will make their renderings as well. The defense is expected to rest this morning talk about the moment were in because obviously whatever happens whatever the verdict is, this is a moment in history. Well, first of all, lets see if Robert Costello gets through the rest of his testimony today that seemed to me to be a performance for an audience of one donald, donald trump and judge merchan. Theyll knows is a very even tempered softspoken, even when hes angry. The fact that he warned him not once, but twice and said, youll get removed. It was quite a moment. I think what elie just said, big picture is actually the most important thing we wont get to till next week. But the focus of those Jury Instructions, weve heard a lot of times testimony the jury is going to weigh all of that. Hope hicks. Some people weve forgotten david pecker, how that all comes together when the judge gives those very precise durians . Yeah. No. Fascinating. And lets talk about exactly that, that confrontation between the witness, Robert Costello, the Defense Witness, and the judge, juan merchan, because we got the full transcript, as happens, its not like we dont ever get it. We just dont get it in real time castello have been launched and loudly expressing disdain for judge merchan sustaining many of the prosecutions objections in his testimony one and then this happened. Marsha and mr. Costello i would like i want to i would like to discuss proper decorum in my courtroom, costello, but im sorry. Go ahead. Merchan. I want to discuss proper decorum in my castello, right merchan. Okay, so when theres a witness on the stand, if you dont like my ruling, you dont say jeez. Okay. And then you dont say strike it because im the only one that can strike testimony in the courtroom. Du you understand that costello . I understand roshan. Okay. And then if you dont like my ruling, you dont give me sinai and you dont roll your eyes. Do you understand that . Do you understand that costello . I were standing that i understand what youre saying. Were sean. Okay. Thank you. Lets get the jury back. Are you staring me down right now . Castello know im just wondering how russia unclear the courtroom, please clear the courtroom dana bash dramatic i was holding back also i am classically trained eye, but what do you make of all that . Jamie said that she thinks it was for an audience of one that is a phrase that we have used now for the last, i dont know, seven, almost eight years. Of course, talking about the politics of working with and working for and trying to persuade and reach donald trump. And we have been talking since the beginning of this trial about the fact that, you cant separate the politics outside from whats going on inside and Robert Costello is somebody who has worked hand in glove with Rudy Giuliani. He is somebody who intimately knows both the law and knew better. He knew exactly what he shouldnt be doing even though he did the opposite on that stand and knows the politics and the Inner Workings and the dynamics of trump world. And he was clearly trying to show donald trump that hes, hes on his sayyed. And then he gets it and he understands the frustration that trump has expressed for the judge and he decided im going to do it in a way that you can thats one theory. Its a good theory. I also wonder and i love to just go down the row here and get your guys take on this. I also wonder how many what do you think that he was there about costello, either on his own or perhaps somebody had suggested who knows, to go in there and conveyed to the jury this judge is not fair. This is not a fair judge. And im here too. Illustrate that in a way that the lawyers cant and that the defendant cant. Well, that is odd to have done so given the very fact, remember, Todd Blanche Council really unusual unusual to do so blanche made the comment to the judge as to why he said, your honor, we dont want you its held his jury that you have found donald trump to be in violation of your gag order this jury is with you dayin and dayout weeks at a time. They now respect you a great deal to have you say that he has violated your order. Would it be so prejudicial to our client. The judge actually agreed. So now to have a witness come in whose job it was to say to the judge and the fifth juror is they respect this judge now that theyre going to respect him in the core metric, he has gone through and sat through so many witnesses, i think is a miscalculation for a number of reasons, but primarily because look, juries, they respect and like judges, they may not like the prosecutor. They may like the defendant or the defense counsel, or mask, but the judge, their whole role is to make sure that they have that decorum set and so its really barking up the wrong tree. So elie, before i come to you, i want to show you the reviews for bob costello. Is behavior in at least one place. Were very, very positive. And by that im referring to the defendant so what happened to a highly respected lawyer bob costello ive never seen anything like that elie i think it was a huge misstep thus far to call bob costello by the defense. Couple of reasons. First of all, bob costello knows better than that. Not only is he a lawyer, im proud are not prep, but he was at the Southern District of new york many years, but kind of the criminal division, right . Yeah. He knows what hes doing. I mean, you live in court, you know how outrageous that is . I think paula hit it on the head when she said this is a b level witness. I dont think hes scoring any substantial points that werent already there. If you wanted to show Michael Cohen has contradicted himself. That was already in the record. And really to crystallize it, the choice that prosecutors had as we head into whats going to be a oneweek off for the jury is do you send them into that week . Last having heard Michael Cohen say, oh yeah, i stole 60,000 from the trump org or do you send them into the week off . Having here her this chaotic mess from costello now important to note, the jury was not in the room for the worst of what happened yesterday, but they could they were definitely when the judge started shutting him down, i think its backfiring so far. Well, what do you think . I agree with laura and elie . It was a huge huge step backwards for the defense theres a rule of evidence 403, and its a test and the test is the probative value does it outweigh the prejudicial effect . And it certainly didnt here for what little this witness added over to go in there and take one, judge merchan, as laura said, jurors in general like and respect judges. Judge merchan is Steven Spielbergs Central Casting version of a judge. They adore them this man. It was, it was foolish and like jim croce said, jake, you dont tug on supermans cape judge. You dont spit into the wind think that because you are the only one here who has actually been in trump world and bin kind of a part of that dynamic when people are trying to please the defendant do you think that part of what he did was i know hes not obviously his lawyer right now, but hes obviously been very involved with trump confidence. You think that was part attorney general, bob costello, like my tone when in trump world thing, i represented yeah, the former president at the thats awesome. Thats right. Thank you for clarifying. I i think it could be that could be the issue. I mean, you just the lawyers have to run the show. The client dont care if the client is the former president stays. The lawyers have the client can talk about pleading guilty to plead not guilty testifying or not this vine and maybe some input on Waiver Trial Versus Jury trial. Thats it. I mean, this was a disaster yesterday because were talking about this guy. Hes like that guy that comes to a wedding and store. Its a flight talking about the Wedding Group ball that started the plight. Be talking about 60,000 theft from the client. Well, weve talked about this many times. Have you didnt want me to your writing you might feel youve have been an open bar before we go back just take a quick break. Here is who is speaking of in ingratiating yourself with donald trump. Heres who the Trump Campaign said will be attending court today. Well have donald trump, junior, former acting attorney general, matt whitaker, former Florida Attorney general, pam bondi senator eric schmitt from the great state of missouri, congressman daniel webster, congressman dan moser. Im sorry if im mispronouncing congressman ronny jackson, the former white house physician, congressmen troy nehls, congressman del strong, congresswoman maria salazar, former white house aide sebastian gorka, chuck ss ido, former saturday or lives star, and jonny dangerously costar, joe pisco, bill white what do you to make of it all . Well, it Central Casting of a different kind. But luck, i mean, these are now there are so many people who want to come into the trial to watch this that the campaign is regulating them. And there just arent enough seats in the courtroom. But look, this is all to give the former president , the defendant in this case some measure of comfort that the people literally have his back. Interestingly, yesterday, as caitlin was reporting his supporters were allowed to stay in the courtroom as the press and others were clear, that was certainly odd to say the least. But i think the bigger point is of all this up because tell it has been on fox news a lot. He was testing defined before the house last week. So donald trump won, did that bob costs you to show up and he didnt show up. But the big question is, will it sort of take away everything that Michael Cohen said yesterday. But look, we still dont know how the jury processes any of this, so we can talk about it a lot, but they may not have seen it as all that unusual because its only said they werent in their for most nor on the stand right now witness bob costello and emile beauvais, the trump attorney, is going to be doing a directed minutes. This is going to happen. Are we going to see another episode of Law And Disorder Will Costello keep his eye rolls and mutterings of gs in check . 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Legal insight, expert analysis, and realtime updates live from the courtroom follow the facts, follow the testimony follows cnn welcome back to cnns special live coverage of Donald Trumps Hush Money Trial moments ago on his way into the courtroom, we heard from the former president s speaking as he typically does on a daily basis to reporters. Here for some of what he said will be resting pretty quickly, restaurant menu, resting the case. And what we resonate. I dont id like to receive them thats what but we are man for now we won the case. My understanding, any other judge, you would have thrown this case that the foreign president predicting that they will be resting their case as well today after we saw the prosecution rest yesterday, you could see a coterie of aids and allies behind him. Donald trump has been bringing entourage with them almost every single day to court. Often, they are sitting shoulder to shoulder in the first two rows behind the Defense Table. Theres yesterday there was even a moment where theyd took kind of wrangle to put some of them in a certain row, some of them had to go sit in the back because there were so many of the former president s allies inside that courtroom. Any minute now though we do expect Robert Costello to be back on the Witness Stand after a drama pack day yesterday, and paula reid with Robert Costello, we talked about how there was a lot of apprehension up putting him on the stand. What that was going to look like, what theyre going to get it wont be trumps attorneys questioning him that when he gets back on the stand, its the prosecution and yesterday, right before the prosecutor, susan often juror said she had about 45 minutes left. Weve ever casella and there wasnt really notable moment where in addition to Everything Else that happened yesterday he leaned forward and asked her to speak into the microphone when she was asking him questions and she didnt say anything. She just started continue their questioning, but i saw two jurors exchange looks and you dont often see anything from this jury. They give nothing away, but they exchanged this knowing look after he did that. What else do you do . That is absolutely bizarre. Theyre undercurrents of sexism. There, obstructing a prosecutor on how to do her job. Its clear that this was not a helpful witness for the defense, so itll be interesting to see this prosecutors had overnight to see what else they think they might be able to mind from costello, that would be helpful, right . Lets hone in on this idea that Michael Cohen didnt trust him. Does this witness, in some ways now really help validate some of Michael Cohens judgment. This is an opportunity for prosecutors, rob casella wont make or break the case but given what jurors have perceived so far with rob costello, theres an opportunity for prosecutors to dig a little bit deeper with rob costello. Well, and weve seen how the prosecution and the defense and other cases have used breaks in time, whether its overnight or over a succession of days, john, to find new material. I mean, one of the biggest fights they had yesterday, it was over for shattered by all of this was they found a photo of donald trump video of donald trump and Keith Schiller together onstage and tampa, florida, october 24, 2016. That was the night of that much disputed phone call that Michael Cohen testified he had with donald trump when he called Keith Schiller and you put them on the phone . Is this huge fight over even just getting a screen grab of that video into this. You can see there, theres Keith Schiller, hes the one and the white tie, the white shirt with a red tie there and it was remarkable though, because prosecutors said they found this video over the weekend. They didnt previously have it after the defense was disputed. Not that they were together, but that Michael Cohen was telling the truth about that . Yeah, thats a potentially big deal. This video right there because it took place right before the phone call that is now in dispute. So now the jury has Video Evidence that schiller and trump were together and certainly couldve shared a phone call, even it was only 90 seconds long. As you bring up a great point here in Robert Costello well, it was only testifying again today because of what happened yesterday because it took so long costal easily could have finished yesterday if the judge hadnt needed to clear the courtroom at any point or they hadnt had the fight over this photograph before, and the prosecution wouldnt have the chance to go home and do homework and get ready for today. I expect therell be brief because this prosecution january generally has or hit a few points they want to be clear and then move on. One last point. I just want to make based on what we just saw from donald trump is he is entering the courtroom. Im struck by how reactive hes been this whole whole trial and he caught himself in that very statement. Were going to rest. I mean, im not going to rest. I never rest. This is a guy clearly stung by all the reporting that maybe hes fallen asleep from time to time in the courtroom, doesnt want to give the impression that hes resting today. We see Don Trump Junior Show up at court for the first time when people noted on tv that his family wasnt coming the very next day. Eric are or eric, i hope you didnt have anything on a schedule for the last few weeks. Is eric sum every day, don junior only had to come today to courthouse now, but he seemed to react to Every Little Thing thats happening in the atmosphere. I do want to say though, you the courtroom, he has somewhat to surprised a lot of reporters remained remain professional and remain calm except the defendant, except for one instance where he did have an outburst during Stormy Daniels time on the Witness Stand. He was admonished by the judge, but far more so than in his civil cases where he was constantly having outbursts. He has held it together and lisa in the courtroom and then goes outside the microphone. I delicious. Yeah. And the judge is really you tried when youre watching it, hes bending over backwards to be fair to donald trump, i should note the judge is back on the bench. Robert casella is back on the Witness Stand, is entered the courtroom. He is walking there without looking at the Defense Table. Its not a typical the Defense Tables on your left, youd really have to look over to check it out. The judge said, good morning, district casella. Welcome back. I remind you that youre still under oath. That is a new day. We are going to see where the prosecution starts with their crossexamination a Robert Costello, we also have joining us here this morning, criminal Defense Attorney david marcus, who was approached to defend donald trump and his classified documents case, as we reported at the time. And david just looking at what happened yesterday, i wonder what you make of the entire costello saga. And as a Defense Attorney, what you would have told your client if they were trying to put bob costello on the Witness Stand yeah. Good morning, kaylen. What a devastating day for the defense, right. It should have been a positive day for the Defense Ending with this terrible witness, Michael Cohen. And now it was just an awful day for the defense. I look at Crossing Examination like a boxing match, right. The jury doesnt know the two boxers. They have to figure out which one theyre going to root for. And when a witness tells a prosecutor or Something Like speak into the mic, all the jurors and you saw two of them are going to side with the examiner with the prosecution. Theyre not sayyed with the witness, so its just terrible the way it went down in the weird thing is castello knows better, right . Hes a lawyer, hes been in that courtroom and that courthouse. He knows better. So just an awful, awful day. And the defense took a big risk here and struck out very badly. And i should note, we are told Costello Just had a conversation with the judge, but it was not audible. It was off microphone, so that means we couldnt hear it. Its not clear that was an apology or what that looks like. Well see what our reporters who were the room if they could hear anything and discern anything, it will likely to potentially be the court transcript. If we see what that looks like today because theres Court Reporters are seated right in front of the judges bench and the Witness Stand, but it wasnt more cool because, you never for the judge has never lost it or gotten that furious inside the courtroom. He often is trying to be very diplomatic. Youll even when he scolded trump for being the audible during Stormy Daniels testimony, he did so to the attorneys out of earshot of the jury and said that he was trying to be fair to the client with Robert Costello, though. I mean, it happened he had sent the jury out of the room, but we were all there to witness just his pure frustrated ration with how this witness was handling his time on the stand right. I mean, as a judge, you never want the story to be about you, right . Just like a referee doesnt want the game decided by the ref. They want it by the players and unfortunately, the story has become about costello and and the judge. The judge he has run a very smooth trial and courtroom, but from the defense Point Of View, he let lots of stuff in with Stormy Daniels that the defense complained about. Any really limited the defense limited the Expert Witness limited castello to what he could talk to. So i can see why the defense has frustrated, you, cant show that to the judge or the jury though, or its gonna its gonna be really bad, but i get why theyre frustrated. Theyve been limited in what they can do. And really the prosecution has been given a lot of rope here to call who they want and bring out testimony that they want well, let me but on that point okay. One yesterday, trump was claiming that they would not let their federal election expert testified thats not true. I was inside the courtroom as they were talking about this. Ive been there twice now, i think where theyve been talking about this one expert that it now appears theyre not planning to call, but essentially the judge was saying that the testimony you could be limited in scope because then the prosecution is going to feel the need to call their election Expert Witness, and it would be this Battle Of The Experts where the jury was just kind of not lead who could be who is the right expert . Who could they believe, and that it would be confusing and then with Robert Costello, the judge was concerned it would become a trial within a trial that Michael Cohen is not the Defendant Hearing sure. Drawing questions on his credibility was fine, but he said he didnt want to get into a huge switch backandforth on Michael Cohen because hes a witness, hes not the defendant i hear you, caitlin, but listen, we have battles of the experts in trials all the time. We let lawyers fight about credibility all the time. We had a trial within a trial when Stormy Daniels testified about what happened in that room, that judge expressed frustration after the fact, but the defense raised that issue before she testified. So this is the kind of thing where the defense is understandably upset. Listen the judges. The public, the media typically are always against it the defense, the defense just cant show it. They have to stand strong, just like the prosecutor stood strong yesterday when witness told her to speak into the mic, you cannot let it affect you in court. You cannot show any problems and theyre showing and the jury sees that and you saw them look at each other. That is really, really bad. And any anybody is going to tell you that although you dont know what a jury is going to do when you see things like that, you cannot feel good as a Defense Lawyer, youre not feeling good about the jury right now . Well, the jury i mean, theyve never never been ushered in and out of the courtroom as many times as they were yesterday afternoon, there were several moments where when they were arguing about the cspan witness, when they were arguing about the scheduling and then of course, the Robert Costello moment, the jury was in and out and what typically is a two and a twoandahalfh our period in the afternoon. So even if they missed the Robert Casella moment where where we were cleared out of the room and the press had to leave or the judge really scolded him. Did they pick up on something is going on there is i mean, you could kinda cut the tension in the room with a knife. Does the jury notice that kind of stuff . The jury knows these are smart new yorkers. They know whats going on and they pick up on all the little cues, not just from the lawyers, but from the judges. Well, and so the judge has to has to really make sure that hes not sending those negative Defense Vibes to the jury because does that really undercuts the defense . I will say one thing for the defense, a lot. Theyve been getting a lot of criticism, of course, for for calling castello. You have to take risks as a Defense Lawyer in a trial like this, or youre going to lose now, this risk didnt pan out. But if you dont take risks as a Defense Lawyer in court, you will lose 100 out of 100 the time. So they must have believed they were losing at the point that they called castello because otherwise you wouldnt call him, right . If you believed you were winning the case, you rest at that point, but they must have believed or were thought there was a chance they would lose the trial. And so why not take a chance and cauce stella . Right now, the jury is seeing an email from Michael Cohen to Robert Casella and his partner saying, gentlemen, please sees contacting me as you do not, and have never represented me in this or any other matter. I expect theyll see a lot more emails. There were certainly some negative vibes her yesterday, as you said, david, mark is great to have you thanks for joining us thanks, Katelyn The Jury is back inside the courtroom listening and seeing these emails hello, from bob costello back on the Witness Stand just to the right by a few feet. This testimony is underway and sayyed 100 Centre Street, we are watching it all closely is a cnns special live coverage. Russia im trying to spy on us. We were spying on them. I was heading frank this is a war, but secret war. Secrets and spies, a nuclear premier sunday, june 2 at ten bonds. We can calculate our total taxes sales tax, real estate credits. Solar incentives. We have no way to integrate all that no, but vd0 does. 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The prosecuting attorney attorney Susan Hoffinger is trying to destroy the credibility of bob costello, who had been in turn trying to destroy the credibility of Michael Cohen shes showing right now costello an email shes that he sent to a different attorney associated with Michael Cohen, mr. Sit turns cetera on april 19, 2018, all the more reason for cohen to hire me because of my connection to giuliani, which i mentioned to him in our meeting. That was your email, correct. Orphans, your asks . Correct. Costello says hoffinger asks costello if he was pushing cohen to retain him because he could provide a backchannel to trump coaston, meaning costello . Costello, again, denied that was your email to Michael Cohen. She asks yes, castello says the email speaks for itself rights or happens your says no, not quite. There are circumstances about that email which i would be delighted to tell you. Costello says half of gera towards thats all right. Lets move on this is about the original email from april 19, 2018 were cuts dell tells cohen, im sure you saw the news that rudy is joining the trump legal team. I told you my relationship with rudy, which could be very, very useful for you. So here Lara Coats Hoffinger is trying to portray bob costello is somebody who himself has sour grapes because cohen didnt hire him absolutely. And this is in many ways her attempt to try to buttress the credibility of Michael Cohen, the shear and the sole focus of Robert Costello is to say Michael Cohens a liar. The ideas of dangling a pardon all these Different Things he wanted to be a part of this team and beyond hes under shes undermining to this and not allowing him frankly, on this very tight leash to try to talk his way out of what the document say. Now, the idea that color we had the courtroom before about him tigris, speak up to talk louder, not going over maybe well, for the juror, his behavior yesterday, these things all have led now, weve seen that a juror for two or smiling when she says no, well move on. He is now not able to explain away what the document say that thats where you want your witness to be. If you are trying to undermine them. Right. Although of course, it the defense could come back in and clear that up when they want to. We should note the time foreman point in south that twice in his statement, if few minutes ago, President Trump noted that he expected the Appellate Court to take care of what happens. He said, quote, it should be a very easy decision in this case it does seem at least according to this reporting from time format that the Appellate Court is now a focus of mr. Trump oh yeah. First of all, if trump gets convicted, he will have the right to appeal. I actually dont see anything thats happened thus far in the case that that strikes me as a particularly strong appeal issue, but thats literally years down the line in terms of whats happening right now. The de is slowly, gradually but surely turning bob costello into a prosecution witness because What Costellos talking about as a crucial moment in time, its april or so of 2018, Michael Cohen has just had his house and Office Search raided by the fbi. And now cohen is panicking and trump is distancing himself from his distance at the same time, theyre trying to establish his backchannel where costello weve seen emails to this effect is essentially suggesting to Michael Cohen, hey, you know, you got Friends In High Places. My client, rudy knows the big guy upstairs. Im paraphrasing what the emails were, but hes essentially trying to keep Michael Cohen in the foal and keep Michael Cohen one from flipping. And now this shady effort to keep Michael Cohen from flipping is coming back to the fore. Its bad for the defense. Its good for the prosecution. Bill. Does that happen a lot . That one side will try to turn a witness for the other side into one for their team if the doors open, theyre going to bargain i tried the case for several months again, Susan Hoffinger and shes not going to miss anything. Its just really sad for the defense that this is what were focused on now, when you had a couple of days that dont happen often in a criminal trial column was just a gift and now they put this guy on. Hes imploded before with the judge. Hes dancing with her its its just not a great way to end. Theres a split time if theres a split screen as well, and the jurors remember how he was yesterday . So remember him now, if he is contrite, if he is acting in a way that is now more in line with what you expected. Im going to say, i mean, hoffinger is walking through costellos emails to cohen, including a variety of things. One that has confirms that he has Friends In High Places as opposed to the Garth Brooks Friends and low places. It was a reference that definitely refers to President Trump as well. And of course this is all part of their attempt to say, excuse me you were trying to dangle something. You were trying to keep him very close to you. Now remember the behavior of this witness. If yesterday, he was belligerent and he was just respectful the fact that there has been a change may alert the jurors that he would as wrong or that somehow he has been scolded in a way that says he knows he needs to change. Now, make his credibility known. That does not really bode well for a jury evaluating his credibility, i think that what you said, jake, the question of whether or not yes. Right now, when the prosecution is questioning him and pulling out of him and presenting these emails, are you have we have Friends In High Places trying to buttress the idea that they were trying to keep him in the fall, trying to keep cohen from flipping suggesting the potential of maybe without saying it of a pardon when Costello Just said to the prosecutor i can tell you more if you want. You can be sure that the defense is going to do that very thing. This is done. Yeah, absolutely. But it is interesting, jamie, again, girl that after this really rather stunning moment were Michael Cohen admits to larceny and admits two 60,000 and theft from the Trump Organization and that seemingly not only further undercuts, Michael Cohen is witness, but also potentially undercuts the idea that despite the weisselberg memo and the mcconney memo, that seemed to outline these corrupt, allegedly corrupt Business Records that it definitely underlines the fact that trump was not aware of everything in those because in after that still, they go forward with this attorney. So one of the things going on right now is after castellows explanation of the email happens, your Castello Parroting what he said yesterday on the stand, the emails speak for themselves. Castello respondents sometimes this was an email from costello to his partner are issues to get cohen on the right page without giving him the appearance that were following instructions from giuliani or the resonant. In my opinion, this is the clear correct. Strategy. We must reverse the avenatti effect and restore this to a far more simple investigation of things that while they might not look good politically and nevertheless, legal if im a juror, i see this as they dont want him to flip as laura said, but just to go back, i believe the other day, one of, you mentioned that top line i choose was a very successful prosecutor has not done a lot of defense work that this is his second or third case. And the number of Defense Lawyers said to me yesterday, you need to know when to quit while youre ahead. And their opinion was with someone like costello, especially after what we saw yesterday, that his testimony may diminish to the jury what the defense cases, in other words, stop with cohen. Take the win as we say say, were not even going, were going to rest because we dont think the prosecutors have made their case at least that would send a certain message to the jury. But of course thats leaving out one equation, the defendant who given his druthers would like to testify. It was not all going be held against them. So the next best thing perhaps, is telling his lawyers to have Robert Costello on the stand. I mean, we all know that the former president watches a lot of television. We all know that he is very familiar with the bombastic bob costello on fox. And in the House Committee last week so clearly that is what happened here. So this isnt just happening in a illegal textbook. This is a lawyer who has to please his defendant. Im guessing because we know that we talked about the audience of one a lot. I mean, he was thrilled with the appearance yesterday. So costello says he was encouraging Michael Cohen to quote, express any of his company planes. So that i could bring them to giuliani and get them worked out, meaning he could bring them to giuliani and giuliani would bring him to trump. And this is another reference, by the way, to another email in june 2018, which we have seen previously since you jumped off the phone rather abruptly. I did not get a chance to tell you that my friend has communicated to me that he is meeting with his client this evening. This means Rudy Giuliani has told me that hes meeting with donald trump and he added that if theres anything you wanted to convey, you should tell Me And My Friend will bring it up for discussion. This evening so i mean, here we here we have Michael Cohen being in a way wooed by bob costello, at least according to these emails, he costello wants Michael Cohen as a client and he is trying to entice him at least thats the impression im getting from these emails by saying like, look, i have this hookup with rudy and rudys talking to the big guy, mr. Trump now this is the way that we can take care of you. Thats exactly how i read it. These emails came out as part of the prosecutions case because theyre good for the Prosecution Case, because they suggest that people around donald trump were afraid of Michael Cohen and trying to keep them in the fold. To me the implication of these emails is exactly as you said, jake, its quite clear. Hey, i, bob costello, i know rudy ruiz you know, is the big guy. We can taroko all your problems. You just stay quiet. You do the right thing, will take care of you. Thats my read on these emails and i think thats how the jury is going to take them and the prosecution is driving that home now, again, the defense walked into this, they call this guy. Its inexplicable. Why dont want to lose this point that was made me think about, remember the essence of this case and the big issue we all had coming into this entire trial was how is Michael Cohen who is congressional testimony explaining that donald trump gives intimations, not direct orders that he is acting as the quintessential mob boss in ways where hes suggesting by either eye contact or otherwise what to do. There is an email hello from castello to his partner saying, our issue is to get cohen on the right page without giving him the appearance that were following instructions from giuliani or it looks to be the president i mean, this is helping that the prosecutions case to suggest oh, you mean its not just Michael Cohen who has the impression that youre not supposed to actually be actually explicit about followed his instructions. This is someone that youre calling after Michael Cohen has been undermined repeatedly about his credibility, attacking suggest that hes not actually following orders. Hes going rogue. You have someone else saying, heres we need to do. So this is really jake. I agree with laura and ellie. This is in the limited context of wordy and colon or castello. This is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I mean, this is painful to listen to if youre looking at the Defense Perspective. Well, bob costello with certainly portraying himself quite differently than these emails suggest he was operating right now. And just to remind everybody at this point in time in 2018, the question is Michael Collins office has been raided, his personal home has been rated, and the question is, is he going to flip . Is going to cooperate with prosecutors and give them information about donald trump and All Of A Sudden comes this lawyer. Bob costello, trying to get according to these emails, trying to get Michael Cohen as a client suggesting that he has a hookup with Rudy Giuliani whose client is donald trump, and he can convey things to donald trump that way. Now costello explains it. I was encouraging Michael Cohen to express any of his complaints and he had several so that i could bring the giuliani and get them worked out, whatever they were hoffinger the prosecutor saying that bob costello to look at an email, she says in this email, arent you encouraging cohen not to cooperate yes or no . Costello says no happens here is now introducing a new email and were going to bring that to you as soon as we get it. In the meantime, were going to squeeze in a quick break prosecutors on crossexamination are going through male by email, a abab castellows, communications with Michael Cohen much more Cnn Special Live Coverage in minutes in the Stanley Cup Fairclough life is on the line right now two now if the distractions. 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I mean, there was an amazing moment where Susan Hoffinger, the prosecutor, which is asking Robert Costello about that testimony in front of Congress Last week, which was clearly designed to get Donald Trumps attention. Robert costello said he wasnt, he didnt know that his comments he made there about Michael Cohen claiming he was a liar would be reported in the press, which i think is kinda difficult to really take it face value because your test by Work Committee and the former president s allies yeah, thats thats garbage that the whole reason that he does divide before committee and speaking of the Robert Costello testimony, origins story, as weve reported, bob costello was never expected to be ported the Defense Strategy, but there are several people in trumps orbit who wanted him to testify because they believe that he could help undercut Michael Cohens credibility, who is the only Defense Witness to testify before the grand jury now, he was not able to stave off and indictment, but thats a lower standard so even though the defense team did not want to call costello trump allies, again, they had costello testified before congress knowing it would likely get trumps attention. And indeed it did. He was very impressed with how we attack Michael Cohen, attack the case, attack the judge, and push for costello to take the stand over objections from some members of the defense team and now what were seeing here is this is a bit of a mass. Its not doing what was intended to do. Its not going to make or break the case, but this is a forced error and its something that not the lawyers were pushing for, but the client was pushing four because people in his orbit thought it would be a good idea. I mean, john, right now, this is a Veal Beauvais thats trumps attorney who is questioning Robert Costello about a 2018 email where there was clearly a lot of Trust Graphic backandforth between the two of them where he was very clearly trying to use Rudy Giuliani and has connections to him to provide this backchannel to donald trump. Hes denying that it would be characterized as a backchannel, but then we saw emails where he was complaining about Michael Cohen playing them and slow rolling. Then were Michael Cohen was later saying he he was not going with them to represent a look, i think the legal term to describe what we just saw from the prosecution in its cross of Robert Costello is Susan Hoffinger beat the snot out of them. I mean, she really did. She dragged Robert Costello through this Incredible Exchange of emails. They have a lot of emails that this guy was on that talk about Rudy Giuliani, the talk about even President Trump in and again, it just muddies up the Water Defense worked so hard to make people dislike Michael Cohen. But now the prosecution is seizing on this guy that they may be able to dislike even more. This guy who was completed wheatley, unnecessary, probably do this case is now being put on trial first, you know, look, Michael Cohen is not on trial, but the defense tried to put them on trial. Robert costellos certainly not on trial for the prosecution is now successfully putting him on trial. And it seems like the jury is we dont know, but theyre laughing it. Susan, often der is comments where there was this point yesterday where she was asking Robert Costello about an email shes the prosecutor asking Robert Costello about an email. And instead of really explaining, he just kept going. The email speaks for itself. The email speaks for itself. I was watching it and you can you can see his tone of condescension she just asked him about an email and he was trying to explain it and she said, well, does the email speak for itself, mr. Costello . And he said, sometimes it does and sometimes it doesnt. And then she just moved on quickly, but there was a comment there that it elicited laughter from the jury inside the room, and thats not a good sign for you if youre the Defense Attorney, its not especially with this jury. They rarely took there i think theyve laughed once at a da paralegal who said he really enjoyed spreadsheets. Thats a onetime theyve conveyed any kind of laughed so the fact that she got to laugh shows that maybe they have empathy her in this task. We also have retired new York Supreme Court judge dian qizan with us and judge, i have to get your take on what were seeing happening this morning with Robert Costello and just the level of questioning with the prosecutors here well, good morning. First of all Susan Hoffinger, you underestimate her at your peril. Shes an excellent lawyer and shes doing what every good prosecutor should do on crossexamination. Shes essentially turning what should have been a trump witness into a peoples witness im scratching my head, quite frankly as to why he was called at all, but be that as it may, he something of a gift to her. And shes demonstrating excellent crossexamination skills. Shes keeping it short to the point and she is essentially turning him around to her advantage well, with our because cell is talking about right now is his partner jumps at trone and hes saying that every time he asked her about the retainer, michael, did you sign a retainer yet that he gave them an excuse that he was kinda dragging this problem it says out, trumps attorney is asking robert whether he was concerned when he was representing Michael Cohen about essentially what that would mean and what that would look like. He said, yeah, sure. I think maybe do you think someone the jury are wondering what this testimony is getting them because the only thing it seems to be doing is theyve already seen these emails. They saw this when Robert Casella was first introduced to the jury, when the prosecution was questioning Michael Cohen, how do you think the jury is looking at this testimony . Look again its always dangerous to try and poke around in a juries head, right however, i think the point that was just made, the fact that the jury remembered the way the defendant the way excuse me, the way mr. Costello had been testifying and saying the email speaks for itself speaks for itself. And then when Susan Hoffinger turn that around, the jury left. Right, which means theyre listening very, very closely to this. They remembered remember something even though judge more sean sent them out of the room yesterday, they knew that they heard the comments of mr. Costello on the stand because he sits a few feet away from them. They knew what was happening there and im sure they see the difference in his demeanor today. So it raises the question about how seriously they might consider his testimony have you ever had to clear a courtroom in your tenure as a judge ive never cleared a courtroom, but i have certainly reached my limit of patients and have said to the court officers, please take the jury out right now. Were going to take an early break. Jurors and than i have either given a stern talking to a witness or lawyers in front of me. It happens judge, was sean is shown remarkable patients, frankly, this was really the first time that he reached the end of his rope. And look what mr. Costello was doing to him yesterday. Yeah. And obviously sorry, judge. Just to give you an update, because stella says Rudy Giuliani in response to my telling him we couldnt make this public because thats what Michael Cohen told me. There was a series of exchanges where Robert Costello was emailing his son, for example, and saying that he was about to represent Michael Cohen was talking about how excited he was, his don congratulated him on that. And essentially, he was here the underfeeding we heard from trumps sources was he was brought in to undermine Michael Cohens credibility. But instead, its his own credibility that is a question right now, as the jury is seeing emails where he clearly was trying to represent Michael Cohen, but then was saying i wasnt seeking Michael Cohen is client yeah. Its its somewhat mind boggling again, i think that this testimony really reinforces that people were trying to keep Michael Cohen from flipping and who might those people . Hey you know, connect the dots. I dont see unless im really missing something, i do not see the purpose or the i should say the efficacy of the testimony of this man well, well see how the jury takes it right now. There are some objections the judges, the lawyers have just approached the bench. Were watching it closely, judge kissel, thank you for your insight this morning youre welcome. Jake, back to you. Thanks, katelyn. So former trump attorney jim trusty joins us now jim, thanks so much for joining us. Good to see you what do you make of bob costello as a witness . Do you think this was a mistake by the defense to bring him up . It seemed as though the revelation yesterday today that Michael Cohen admitted on the stand to stealing 60,000 from donald trump. And the 60,000 that theft was inside some of these socalled Smoking Gun Documents proving the case, it seemed like that was a really strong moment and now i dont know what this gets them. This bob costello testimony well, jake, good to see you. Its hard to say from outside. I mean, if youre not sitting in the courtroom watching the entire trial or theres always a little bit of speculation to it. And look the fact that theyre scoring apparently scoring some points on crossexamination doesnt mean that a destroys all the direct i mean, i understood costello to be coming in so basically say, once again, Michael Cohen has lied about a whole bunch of stuff and thats not necessarily a bad idea. You cant really tell from the outside or even as a litigant, whether youve gotten to a point where the cross was so devastating if cohen that youre going to get a 12th juror unanimous acquittal or youre gonna get some some portion of them to a Dig In And Acquit or dig in and hang the jury because they cant trust cohen hindsight will be more precise. And anything else, but i think costello had some stuff to offer. I dont think its great to pick a fight with the judge, which apparently he did i also think its kind of amazing how thin skin new york judges are the most thick skin part of the country, but theyre thinskinned on the bench. And frankly, its a mistake, its a legal error to clear the courtroom. If you want to clear, get the jury to go out and say, like your last guess just said, take a little break here and then chastised the witness. Forgiving you a sayyed, i you can do it. But it was a public trial, right. Is a serious constitutional right for the public end for the defendant and clearing the courtroom is just yet another thing to be in an appellate brief someday. Well, i hear you on the thinskinned nature of it, but let me ask you would you ever want to have your witness openly expressing disdain for the judge sustaining the other sides objections. I mean, he was yelling radicular, saying under his breath ridiculous. And gs and rolling his eyes im not saying that as a terminalis, that doesnt happen to me on an hourly basis, but i mean, i dont think you would view would want your witness to be doing that to any judge, right . Now you know, bobs a wildcard, right . Its been a lawyer for 51 years. One of the dangers of that is that the lawyer gets very opinionated and basically feels no real builtin respect for any judge because theyd been added so long. And thats a danger and had to kinda thing you have to talk about in rob prep, which is like bob, do me a favor, dont dont pick a fight for no reason. Let me do the lawyering. Youre just a witness yeah. Its true doctors are their own worst patients. Lawyers can be their own worst witnesses but i think that all in all, it doesnt it doesnt mean the jury is disconnected from what he had to offer about cohen on correct. And so thats thats the wildcard were not going to know until we see a verdict or a non verdict, but yet but youre right, jake. I mean, i would certainly want to spend a little bit of time with the witness saying, look, i know youre very opinionated. I know youve said some things. I know youve been on the media a lot before you testify, which is never great. But but dont come in and pick a fight with the judge. So right now in the courtroom, trump attorney emile bove a is trying to establish more about costello and his relationship in terms favorable to costello and unfavorable to Michael Cohen. In a june 13, 2018 email costello rights to cohen, you have the ability to make that communication when you want to presumably the communication to trump through him and then Rudy Giuliani and then trump, we should note that the defense just rested ten, 13 on tuesday. The defense rested in any case that costello right. You have the ability to make the communication when you want, whether you exercise that ability totally up to you. Was that pressuring Michael Cohen to do anything beauvais says no, not at all. Castello says. Did you ever pressure Michael Cohen to do anything beauvais asks, i did not. Castello says, did you ever have control over Michael Cohen beauvais asks clearly know, costello says, and the defense rests. What what do you think of that case presented by the defense . Short concise, and focused on bob costello yeah, i think thats smart. I mean, its redirect, its a moment where you try to clean up a couple of things that you feel like mightve hurt you or might need more explanation and here the idea, i mean, i dont think its really a dispute. Maybe costello made it a little bit of a dispute. His answers on cross, but its not a dispute that he wanted to represent cohen that he was interested in helping him out and he wanted him to flip to help them get out of his legal problems. That thats the heart of the problem for cohens testimony alright. Jim trusty. Thank you so much. Always good to see us. So right now, the people, the prosecution, mr. Steinglass, has said that they have no rebuttal witnesses. Nothing further, judge steinglass says, judge merchan is now instructing the jury on timing. Judge merchan says he expects the summations. Thats the Closing Arguments will take at least a day and he prefers not to break them up if possible. Judge merchan has explaining the schedule. And so that is what but whats going on now. So we if they expected de for closing i assume that does not include today. No, it will happen. It will start next tuesday. Okay so theyre just going to break wednesday, thursday, friday, friday. The wheel memorial day weekend. Theyre off and then they come back a week from today. Closing arguments it appears so and we now know the answer. The question weve all been wondering, will donald trump testify . No, he will not be testifying in this case. Surprising to know prizing to know when will he go outside the quorum and the gag order will be in effect until the conclusion of the trial, which includes the verdict, not just the clothes, the evidence. This is really important moment though because remember, the judge did not want to have a start and stop for this jury it doesnt actually benefit the defendant to have a start and stop if there are jury notes, if there are questions, if there are deliberations, you try giving a presentation before the lunch hour. Same effect for the jury, but also the instructions are gonna be so important here its going to come down to what instructions youre going to get. Elliott talked about this issue earlier in terms of how youre going to talk about contextual evidence or a Circle Evidence whether youre going to assess the credibility of witnesses, but also very importantly, youve got this new york law and im gonna go to my tab before you do that, let me just say here, well, i just have some news here my tablet. I loved her tablet i love your tablet. I just want to bring the news so good. What judge merchan is telling to the jurys, he thinks the best thing to do, as we said to his juror. Now, heres summations here, Closing Arguments a week from today he said hes considered all the permutations at the end of the de, i think the best thing we can do is adjourn now until next tuesday. At that time, youll here summation since for the attorneys probably wednesday, ill ask you to come in so he normally doesnt here this case on wednesday, but a week from tomorrow, he will probably he says to hear the jury charge, and then i will expect that you will begin your deliberations, hopefully at some point on wednesday. So that is a week from tomorrow. We expect this to go to the jury. And who knows how long they will take . To make their decision. Laura and your tablet take it away, ready . Okay. Wait, im sorry. One more thing. It might be tempting to think now that both sides have rested, you can kind of let up a bit. But in fact, these instructions take on even greater significance. Merchan tells the jury of his instructions, not to talk about, not to research the case, No Googling Thinking had the next tuesday, im not a hunter remember senate . Sure. Were gonna get both summations done by four 30. Give some thought if necessary, if you can work late on tuesday, if youre unable to do so. Thats fine. And the jury has left the courtroom, go so there are gonna be some key moment to think about here and its very important to remember the jury still has to follow the evidence. They cannot now that theyre done with hearing testimony, theyre going to have some very important instructions. Remember what they actually have to talk about. There are these charges they are based on 34 counts of falsified Business Records. Youve got 11 checks, 11 invoices, 12 entries. This is important because they have to prove their case not in one foul swoop with the prosecution essentially saying i dont like about with it. Was actually talking about the convictions and whatnot from before, what to look at, but they have to prove that there was intent that donald trump is the connection here, but donald trump had the intent to not only commit this act, but tried to hide and conceal a different crime. It is not entirely clear yet what they will use and summation will it be a Campaign Finance issue . With the tax fraud will be Something Different and these issues, some key points to consider. One is going to beam what has come into testimony from david pecker. The catchandkill scheme. What is coming testimony from Karen Mcdougal about the respect that he had from alonyal, his wife, and trying to ensure she wouldnt receive different information to newspapers and beyond. Another very important points for me, dan daniel is trying to solidify the idea that he was aware of why this would be impactful for the actual election. And of course, Michael Cohen way the star witness in all of this talking about what his role was going to be and what donald trump knew. But this 420,000 payment is at the very core of the issue. Can they prove that there was actually a connection between donald trump and michael well, cohen and what happened. They could use whats known as a new york law. This idea of an intentionally aiding instruction, where they can find that a person is committed the crime of another by showing that they commanded listed, requested, or intentionally aided that person to engage in that conduct. In other words, a full day of instruction may actually take placed thats how important it is. So, judge merchan has left the bench and it is going to be wearing a historic moment that could lead the presentations of the information are over. Elie honig. Yeah. Theyre going to be back at 2 15 today to talk about the charging instruction. Yeah. What does that mean . So Jury Instructions are really important. This will happen now next week its the last as thing the jury hears before they disappear into the jury room to deliberate. It can take an hour, two hours, three hours for the judge to lay it out. This is where the judge will go through the charges as large as he says, its going to be back at 2 15 to date it so what theyre doing today is theyre going to argue about what the judge or a jury exactly there will be disputes about exactly how to define time for example, what is the other crime that the prosecutors have chosen to argue that theyre also going to argue about the missing witness, right . Allen weisselberg, maybe Keith Schiller. What is the judge going to tell the jury about the missing witness . Sometimes judges tell juries, you can hold this against either side if you want. Sometimes judges will tell juries youre going held that against neither side. So theyre going to its going to be very legalistic, but very, very important because what theyre doing now is working out, arguing and hopefully to an extent, agreeing on how the judge will send the jury into the box. I just have to say i breathe a sigh of relief. Now that is official. Donald trump will not testify because i did say to Dan Bash On Air under duress that if he testified, i would shave my head so what the papers what the clippers away. It wasnt coming out, it wasnt really other guess if ron said he was well, we are expecting mr. Trump to come out and address the cameras momentarily, but bill brennan is a moment in history. This is a rather stark moment we have at present an end of the United States, a former president on criminal trial. The defense has rested, the prosecution has rested and the next we will hear from the next the jury will hear will be in a week. Theyre going hear Closing Arguments. Jake im gobs mac by the fact that both sides have rested and we still dont really know what that second crime is. It just seems bizarre to me. It this case from the beginning, at least you get to the felony has seemed like an indictment in search of a crime itll be interesting to see what theyve up to, but instructions in some cases are perfunctory, firstdegree murders as their degree murders that the instructions in this case are usually important, crucial because lets take the i dont want my marriage to implode. I dont want my campaign will implode are they equal is one above the other. If you just have one and not the other, is that enough . I mean, theres so many permutations that can be instructed on that may be the determining factor in how this case goes and dana bash, todd blanche, has made the argument Donald Trumps chief Defense Attorney has made the argument that nothing ever happened between donald trump and Stormy Daniels, and whether viewers out there believed that or not it hasnt been proven that it happened. You have somebody testified that it did happen donald trump is not testify, but he denies it happened in the argument from todd blanche is paying some paying somebody to not spread a false story is not the election interference that i guess is the underlying additional misdemeanor that makes the Business Record misdemeanor or felony, right. I mean, the idea that this was election interference because they hid information, but the argument from todd blanche is they didnt that didnt happen. And so this isnt keeping information from people because its not true information i actually want the lawyers to weigh in on this because my understanding, having ever been to law school, is that there are some coverups. If you will, which is what this is alleged to the thin that you can be prosecuted for even if the underlying alleged crime. And in this case, it is the affair or the moment with Stormy Daniels didnt happen . Yeah. Is that right . It doesnt actually for the purpose of this case it doesnt actually matter, doesnt matter if there was in fact a sexual encounter or allegations with their it all that matters is that you believe that that might go public in a way that force or enticed you to actually pay someone and amount of money you did not disclose it as a Campaign Finance or contribution and therefore, there is an underlying crime even if false because theyve already established that they paid the National Enquirer and its Parent Company paid 30,000. I think it was to adore me. And who had a fake story about a child that donald trump had fathered outside his marriage, that its a not a true story so the already established them money has been paid to keep false stories out of the public eye. Yeah. Why is it a crime to forget the Business Record falsification . Because i understand why thats a misdemeanor. But why would it be a crime to hide, to pay somebody to not tell a false story. Thats not what the prosecution is arguing. The prosecution is not saying that a thing is inherently illegal people about a catch and kill scheme. Theyve gone to Great Lengths thanks to explain that very notion as Michael Cohen has testified and other testified, things can be untrue and still damaging to ones political career otherwise. And so the allegation at the timing of the access Hollywood Tape in particular, would ban the straw that they believe broke the camels back, not the catch and kill scheme, but from my understanding of how they we have plenty evidence so far, if they are basing this theory on the underlying crime being a nondisclosure Campaign Contribution directly, then that is in an of itself and underlying crime to elevate it from the misdemeanor to the felony level, but undisclosed Campaign Contribution by donald trump. Donald true, his own campaign . Yes. And an excess of what is the requirement as well. And so you have this this is the very issue that youre asking the question of why people were very skeptical about the case in the long run in the first place, to elevate from the misdemeanor to the felony. There had been this intent to defraud or high this underlying crime. It has not been abundantly clear, which is problematic. What is the specific . The underlying crime in theory that they are going with summation will give us that information for the first time we heard in the opening about a conspiracy as possibly the underlying crime to do that very thing. This is what this whole conversation speaks to what you were saying, which is that Jury Instruction is going to be so important because weve been steeped in this for weeks and weeks and weeks. Quantum months and months. And were still explaining it. They have to absorb that actually finds and conspiracies. We file a different jurisdictions called Different Things a bill that particulars, writ of habeas corpus. But you basically committed to a judge. But those specifically, what did my client do in the conspiracy . Heresy. And in this case, it just seems that were here now and as large as i said, i guess well find out in the instructions where this is headed, but im just flummoxed by the fact that we still dont know where this would land. Its i see like a roulette wheel in my mind. Im looking at the little marble. We should know where that is before frankly, before we start defending the case, that is supposed to be this is an indictment in search of a crime its his are whether or not you believe that i mean, it is odd that the that the that the member because whats going on here is its a business falsification case which is a misdemeanor, but because it is allegedly in pursuit in the service of a different crime, even if that is also a misdemeanor, that makes it a felony in this idea that donald trump made an undisclosed Campaign Contribution by paying Stormy Daniels to keep her mouth shut about a rendezvous with that may or may not have happened, but they certainly didnt prove that it happened. I mean, everybody out there might think that it happened, but it is one persons word against anothers that doesnt matter that much. We know and i will leave to the Jury Instructions how they explain the felony and what its based on. But as as the pretend juror here, there are a couple of things that to me are just common sense this happened in october. Thats two weeks before the election. On the heels of access hollywood the incident or the alleged incident happened a long time before them why is All Of A Sudden now, two weeks before election day is donald trump so worried about this becoming public. Thats number one number two, i think that their testimony from hope hicks that is very effective about Michael Cohen didnt go rogue ai and shes a sympathetic wet witness. Shes not a hostile witness to donald trump. Same for david pecker in laying it out. And i would argue and bill, you mentioned this. How is the judge going to give instruction sections on this is about youre worried about your wife or youre worried about the election at one of the Stormy Daniels was able to say on the stand, if the jury believes her, that trump told her dont worry about melania, that they sleep in separate beds. And that he didnt use a condom in the alleged incident. If you want to talk about the ultimate thing that says you dont dont care about your spouse if the jury believes that, then to me that tips it to election interference, but thats just all based on a common sense reaction. I think one thing as the judge just sent the jury home for the week im surprised that nothing has happened with any members of the jury. The fact that the former president goes out every day and speaks at the end, not talking about the jury, but this is such a public case over the next week, the judge must be i would assume very nervous about what is going to happen, perhaps all the parties are with this jury its extraordinary that there still in place, so well something happen over the next week two, out someone or whatnot. Lets open at the end of the day. Just listen think to all the legal discussion here. It explains why the politics of this also are so unclear. And if theres any political fallout for the former president , the defendant or not, hell be speaking this weekend at a libertarian conference here in washington, tried to make his case, but otherwise he doesnt have any campaign stops. On his schedule. But the politics of this as we sit here today, are still just as unclear as the verdict is. All right. Well, the defense rests. 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We are looking at all of this as we are watching, court trump has just left the courtroom. He offered a fist bump as he was exiting, and we have two excellent little experts who are now joining us to walk through everything that we just saw. And what could come next, because this court has just broken for the de weve two former federal prosecutors here with us at least adamson is back with us from yesterday and elis, let me start with you before i get genes take on everything that just happened, but at least we were looking at what happened today no one is surprised. But donald trump walked out of that courtroom without answering a question about why he did not testify here after he had kinda ties this idea that he was considering it, that he might. And then of course, ultimately did not take the Witness Stand himself. Yeah. Well, its actually very common for a defendant not to testify in a criminal case. I think that going into the trial, the former president probably wanted to testify. We saw him testified as civil fraud trial. We know he has a lot to say, but i am sure for his attorneys ran and down the risk of putting him on the stand, which would open them up to all sorts of crossexaminati on. Hes also an uncontrollable witness, so he could have gone into areas that were not meant for direct examination and then other evidence could have come in. So it was just too risky why he didnt comment on it. I dont know. I dont want to speculate. Maybe he doesnt want to explain why he ultimately did not want to exercise his right, but it is his right not to testify. And the jury will also be instructed that they cant make any take any negative inferences that he he decided to im not testify in his own defense here well, theyre taking a break now. The jury will not be back in the room until next tuesday when the summation of this will begin. Do you the defense ultimately made a mistake by putting Robert Costello on the Witness Stand and having him be the final witness instead of it being Michael Cohen yesterday, acknowledging that he stole tens of thousands of dollars from the Trump Organization. Kaitlan, you hit the nail on the head instead of focusing on Michael Cohen as a thief . In a liar. They made a huge mistake and i want to talk about primacy and recency and at least knows what im talking about you always start off strong because you only get one chance at a First Impression and people always remember your last act by calling mr. Costello as their last witness. Actually, there theyre only witness. They had a minor one. They left with the jury the following Michael Cohen said, i really didnt trust mr. Costello. I essentially thought he was a little sleazy and that he was working for giuliani and trump so i didnt want to give them anything thats going to hurt me in the end so thats very understandable. And when costello took the stand, kaitlan and he acted the way he did in my 30, 35 years of practicing law as a prosecutor and a Defense Attorney, ive never ever seen that he insulted the judge. And frankly, kaitlan, he insulted the jury. They may not have heard the sidebar but remember kaitlan and elise, there are two attorneys on that jury and they figured out why the judge had them leave the room and it was because of the decorum, the defense ended on a horrible horrible note in it, washed away everything they were trying to do with Michael Cohen. And heres the kicker. They actually rehabilitated Michael Cohen because mr. Costello did come across as a little unsavory at least youre shaking your head. Yes. Do you agree with gene three with gene more . I mean, Michael Cohen testified that he didnt trust castello. And now the jury got a front row seat as to why scene is exactly right. His attitude on the stand was just kind of inexplicable. It was performative, and the jury does not check their common sense at the door im sure that they could infer from that behavior that costello was hostile toward the prosecution fusion hostile toward cohen and the jury can take demeanor into account when assessing a witnesss credibility. He essentially through his behavior and then later through the emails that were introduced on crossexamination, he played right into Michael Cohens account why Michael Cohen didnt trust him enough to tell him that he had this material on trump, that he had this information because he was going to run and he was loyal to trump. And he demonstrated that loyalty for the jury, really bad move really bad way to end the defense, especially when they had had such a strong day before yeah. And theyd seen all these emails previously in the testimony. They just for resurrected today with bob costello was on the stand and gene the jury is done until next tuesday. Theyre going to have all of this on their minds as they are, they are waiting for what next tuesday is going to look like. But the attorney hes well be back in there. The parties back in there this afternoon to talk about what you in the moment is not going to be as captivating is the judge clearing the courtroom in scolding bob costello, but it is going to be highly consequential because it is going to deal with the Jury Instructions corrections, and what thats going to look like. And that is something that both sides here have been incredibly invested in, which is what the judge is going to say to the jury before they take the case and make the ultimate decision here caitlin, i i tried a lot of cases and i lost a lot of cases because of appeal issues, bad. Your instruction and theres nothing more painful than convicting somebody. It goes up on appeal and its reversed because of a bad Jury Instruction and the reason its painful is its my fault. I got greedy. I didnt listen to the judge or respect the law or i didnt i didnt follow the law these charging conferences, the Jury Instruction, discussions, if you will, in this case, this could decide whether donald trump is convicted whether we have a hung jury or acquittal, but more important if he is convicted on appeal, the Jury Instructions, if they are fatally flawed, we will have a reversal and were not going to have a retrial. I dont think america could take another six weeks of this circus. Okay. So if we have a reversal the case will be over, but the Jury Instruction Conference Today at 2 30 is where the rubber meets the road because we got to know what crime are you alleging was trying you were trying to hide was it taxes . Was it election at the state level . Was at election at the federal level. We got to know that and we really are not clear about that. But the Jury Instructions will help. The last thing i want to say is the missing witness instruction. If the defense gets that for either weisselberg shows scheffler or the bodyguard that that could be very important for the defense yeah absolutely. Thats a great point. Im glad you brought that up because Keith Schiller and 11 weisselberg, ive hung over this entire trial. And obviously we know why at least one of them is not being called. Keith schiller its not totally clear. Obviously, they dont think youd be favorable to the prosecution and obviously donald trump has made clear appeal is on his mind. Hes mentioned it twice. What were going into the courtroom. Is is that hes already looking ahead to what thats going to be regardless. The jury deliberations that are still yet to happen. A standby. Listen, jane, because that was great. Great analysis of how this morning has played out. But cnns Kara Scannell was inside the courthouse this morning. Shes been in there the entire trial and qarrah, just can you just walk us through what it was like in the room this morning . I mean, you were there yesterday and that really dramatic moment withdrawal her castello. What was it like when Robert Costello got back on the stand this morning caitlin when it was a Different Energy entirely today. It was very calm and costello came in and the judge greeted him. Good morning, reminded him he was under oath, and then the prosecutor peter, began her crossexamination picking up where she left off yesterday she was trying to confront costello with some statements he had made that he wasnt trying to pressure Michael Cohen and the big question over whether he was representing cohen or not because the defense has wanted to show that cohen was lying there trying to undermine his credibility. And so what Susan Hoffinger, the prosecutor, was doing is she was asked costello questions and then confront him with an email that he had sent and then use the phrase customer hello, had used yesterday and his testimony saying to him, the email speaks for itself, right after she did that about two or three times i did see two of the jurors kind of smirk and smile at each other other there were elicited laughter in the courtroom two and in the overflow room because it was just heard turning her his words on him. But for the most part, i mean, that was just its about 45 minutes pretty quick. Not a lot of fight. Reihan, any fireworks that all over this. But just as theyre trying to go back and forth over these emails, over What Costello hello, mens, and whether or not he was pressuring Michael Cohen and whether he was undercutting cohens testimony that was really the focus of it. But the big news of today, of course horses the defense ross and they didnt call donald trump to the Witness Stand. Trump not testifying in his defense, something that he had floated. Wed seen him testify in these civil trials, but a criminal trial house obviously the stakes are a lot higher and a lot different and trump not taking the stand. So we are now at the end of this trial. Were taking a break. Well be back inside it to 15 for this conference on the Jury Instructions. And as you were talking, i mean, this is very important. Its going to be key about how the jurors are told what is legal, what is not illegal. And this morning, the judge said he think both sides for coming together and sending in some suggestions of how they would phrase some of these charges. This came up yesterday. And it asks both the prosecution and trumps legal team to talk together and de if they could work out exactly what would they would phrase about the second elements of this crime . What makes it up . Melanie, what are they looking to conceal . And that is something that he asked him to work on, that he thanked them for sending in their submissions. He said it was helpful. He also ask them to use this time. Now these couple of hours before were back in there to work on some of the other language so they can find a meeting ground. So he said he could read line it, and then give them their final instructions. So its going to be a technical oh conference, but a very important conference this afternoon yeah. Incredibly important. I know youll be there watching it all Kara Scannell. Thank you for that. Because its cair noted minute to go in that courtroom the court wrapped up. It says the defense rested its case up for the prosecution rested their case yesterday. Were tracking this all closely included not all important meeting this afternoon, you were watching Cnn Special Live Coverage this is no secret war. 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And elie honig here is very happy because somehow he ended up promising to shave his head if donald trump directed it, did under duress, did testify we want to as we sort of digest the fact that this is very shortly in a week, but is now in the hands ultimately of the jury after they hear the closing statements go back to some of what we heard from the most important witness in this case. And thats Michael Cohen. This particular part that im going to read is about one of the core questions that the prosecution want the jury to believe, which is that these hush money payments were done in order to benefit Donald Trumps it campaign. And the donald trump was very involved in it. So this is hoffinger, Susan Hoffinger. She is a prosecutor. Did you call mr. Trump before you went and set up the account to make a transfer, cohen . Yes. Hoffinger. What in substance did you discuss with him on these two calls cohen, i wanted to ensure that once again, he approved what i was doing because i required approval from him on all of this hoffinger would do have made the bet payment to Stormy Daniels without getting signoff from mr. Trump cohen know, hoffinger, why not cohen . Because everything required mr. Trumps signoff on top of that, i wanted the money back. Im going to start with, you. Bill because i want you you to kind of dissect that from the perspective of your in Donald Trumps choose your the defense youre the Defense Attorney watching this moment, maybe watching the jury that the way that they took this in how critical was this moment . Well, if you dissect that statement, dana, theres a lot of mumbo jumbo in there. He saying, on the one hand this was a crucial importance to donald trump. He needed Donald Trumps involved Donald Trumps approval. But hes got to go out behind his wifes back and get a Home Equity Loan to pay it. Why dont you just go say to the guy who so concerned about this, its of such crucial high ranking priority. Hey, about the, uh, hundred and 30 grant. Lets have it so i can pay it it doesnt it doesnt jive and then when you plug in now you know, lani david, so i have tremendous affection and respect for has been harping on this alleged weisselberg document thats the smoking gun thats what does it we learned yesterday that that document is on its face, not what it appears to be because mr. Collins stole 30 or 60,000 because he was allegedly ginned up for the taxes from his client. So again, we have what appears to be mutually exclusive the prosecution took great pains to have that author come on and say donald trump we worried about every 50, 50 cent checks, he just got clipped for 60 grand by his council. Theres a lot to work with their own closing. I think the excerpt that you showed us, the transcript is a perfect example of what my Michael Cohen means that this trial, why why he is so important, because he is the only one who through his testimony, can directly tied donald trump to not just the payments, but also the accounting behind the payments. Now hes corroborated. And if we look at that example, you just gave us, there are phone records showing that there was indeed a phone call to phone calls actually between cohen and trump right before he made that first withdrawal. So this is what the prosecution is doing there. Theyre taking as much evidence as they can. And then cohen is trying to fill it in okay. Everybody stand by. We have a lot more to discuss. We have to take a quick break. Just a reminder, the defense just rested and they did it without playing the trump card. Youre watching Cnn Special Live Coverage of the former president s Hush Money Trial. 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This is students, special live coverage and headline number one this morning, the defense has rusted that sets up a dramatic tilt next week between the prosecution and the defense during the Closing Arguments which is really their final chance to convince the jury to convict or the defense to a quit the former president of the United States headline number two hello trump did not testify, despite a wealthy wont we debate that was mostly wont be that has been going on throughout the duration of this trials he said at the beginning saying that he wanted to testify. Of course, we saw that he ultimately did not know when really expected him to take the Witness Stand, but they did put one witness on the stand at the ed roberts hello. That they believed would help undermine Michael Cohens credibility, though he may have done more damage to his own. In the brief two hours and he was ultimately on that Witness Stand as the jury was sitting right there. Do his left watching him phase crossexamination from the prosecution this morning and the then again, the defense having their chance to question Robert Costello, he was the last witness that the jury heard from and that they will hear from for the next week. They are not going to be back in the courtroom until next tuesday. That is when those Closing Arguments will begin and then judge said today he does expect the case to be in their hands by next wednesday. Cnns john berman and Kristen Holmes are here with me and kristen weve been watching this willie wont eat, bring bob costello to the stand. And there were people on trumps team who did not want Robert Costello to testify. But now that is the final tastes left than the jurys mao for an entire week really . Yeah. I mean, ultimately what we all know is that while it is hard to be Donald Trumps lawyer anyway, its particularly hard with a client like donald trump and we know that he was pleased with castellows testimony before congress, which was part of the reason that they ended up calling costello to the stand. Donald trump wanted to hear somebody on the stand call Michael Cohen a liar and know no other terms. And that was exactly What Costello did. And ill be obviously, as you said, did more than that, but im told that donald trump overall, its feeling a couple of things. One, when it comes to what the verdict is going to be, he fundamentally believes that hes going to be convicted in some way because he does believe that the jury is unfair. He surrounds himself in an echo chamber. He has heard he has decided that the jury is leftleaning and that they will ultimately likely convict him however, when it comes to whether or not he is happy with what his lawyers did out there. I am told that he was feeling very good after the crossexamination of Michael Cohen particularly that moment when cohen admitted that he had stolen from the Trump Organization in trumps mind that was a clear deciding factor that showed that Michael Cohen was lying. And it also made him very happy with his legal team, which as, you know, is not always the case. Look, i wonder how theyll feel that as legal team by the end of today or tomorrow when there are more reviews in about what happened with Robert Costello on this stan, im trying to figure out if this was a a minor flood in a distraction or something that could have lasting implications if youre last guy on the stand and this entire case is a guy who implodes, which he basically did yesterday in the jury saw at least some of it. How good can that be if you then disappear for a week and that it wasnt just to performance either Susan Hoffman to the prosecutor on cross, was able to go after costello and at least plant the seed of this Pressure Campaign from Rudy Giuliani and others and trump world on Michael Cohen in those days in 2018 when Michael Cohen was talking with Robert Costello, it just raises so so many questions maybe for the jury, depending on how closely they are watching this, that theyre going to sit on for six days. Theyre going into this period. First of all, i dont quite understand how anyone can go. What is today, todays tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday, sunday, monday . We have googling anything on this case arent they human beings . I mean, its gonna be hard for them to stay completely quiet. Im very curious to see what theyre thinking about most yeah. The judge tells them every time that they leave the room not to talk to one another about the case, not to research it, not to read into it, but i mean, its 2024. Its obviously hard. Theyre not sequestered. Its a hard thing for them to do, especially if its memorial day weekend, youre going to be talking to people. But but on the sense of calling bob costello is the final witness it seems to be revealing of just a larger thing with trump where he thinks one thing is the right answer. But legally and strategically speaking, his attorneys can thanks something else, but ultimately, they go with what the boss wants. Well, they have to, because at the end of the day, they want to please their client and he is a demanding client. One of the things that we see often while hes been sitting through this trial is him elbowing his lawyers, passing them notes. We also know its not just trump who is talking to his lawyers . He has a adraee of different family members as well as republican lawmakers, as well as legal advisors. And im putting that in loose quotes. People who are around him who might have law degrees but are not currently representing him in this case, who are also giving their opinions to both the boss, donald trump, and to their lawyer. Is and it really depends on what donald trump wants to hear. And that is how he projects to the lawyers who are actually hearing. Don junior candid, im sorry for the first and only day, apparently, don junior shows up. You pick the shortest day thinking about 90 minutes in the courtroom, eric had to sit through long, long days, dawn journaling had to sit through about an hour and eric was playing the long game. Yeah, hes still playing the long game. The hells angel guy was also there. So dont forget him and speaking of people who know what its like to represent donald trump, we have former trump attorney jim trusty here at jim. Obviously youve been inside those moments where donald trump wants his clients to do one thing. Not always with the attorneys want to do thats not just him, but weve seen that with other people as well being represented. But if you are representing donald trump and he told you he wanted you to put Robert Costello on the Witness Stand. What would you have done . Well, look, i dont have the benefit of having sat down and prep costello, but i would probably put them on. I mean, look, the battleground here is still cohens credibility. Remember costello got on the stand on direct and said, look, i asked this guy 20 times. Have you had any 30 said no and the reversal if you believe that the crossexamination just destroyed costello the defense to that is no, no, no. I was also lying to costello like literally like the ten thousands lai exposed about Michael Cohen. So youre still playing in the right battlefield, which is cohens credibility. I would look if i was prepping costello, i would say like, dont dont do the whole fight. The thing thats not going to help us but at the end of the de, the substance of the testimony is still very damaging, if believed that if you dont believe that, then youre still right back to cohens credibility as a whole, which is irredeemable at this point. I mean, lets be lets be real. Michael cohen is probably one of the worst witnesses weve seen in modern times. It comes to every bit of incredibility. You can imagine bias failed cooperator inconsistent statements hatred of President Trump, cashing in. There. It was incredibly rich area to crossexamine. And i think todd navigated it reasonably well. Jim there are two attorneys on this jury. I mean, havent you ever met with a potential client whos not your client yet that that doesnt fully disclose everything to you yeah, im going get a common place, particularly in white collar where were executives can be really good at rationalizing. Im in the gray, im in the gray and you have to meet with them a few times, say no, youre actually werent in the group. So its not uncommon to have, you know, kind of an valving story from a client or in terms of their own selfassessment of what they did look. I do think having two attorneys on the jury is a crazy wildcard here. I mean, theyre theyre gonna be the ones that probably the other jurors look to interpret fuzzy areas and the Jury Instructions, but they can also be the types of attorneys to go look. Im used to preponderance of evidence as my burden of proof and the government has to prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt, which is a very different thing. So im not in love with the idea of having attorneys on drugs. I think they tend to make it more cohesive that theyre going to take 12 people from manhattan and make that probably doesnt bode well for President Trump, but they could look at these instructions and say, you know, beyond a reasonable doubt, two big thing when Michael Cohen is your linchpin one thing that people attacked Michael Cohen over was his memory of that call on october 24, 2016. And you, todd blanche brought up Text Messages that showed he was also concerned about a 14yearold prank call who had been harassing him and it was seen as a strong moment for the defense, but the defense didnt finish with Michael Cohen last thursday, and that allowed the prosecution to have the entire weekend to really talk about what they were going to do when they were questioning Michael Cohen again and they found a video donald trump and Keith Schiller, trumps body man from a rally in tampa that night where they are walking offstage together four minutes before Michael Cohen says that he called Keith Schiller and was put on the phone with donald trump. I mean, do you think that that will be effective with the jury and showing that yes. Keith schiller and donald trump were together moments before Michael Cohen said that they were with a manhattan jury. Im not making any predictions in terms of whats effective and whats not. But look, its not a mystery that schiller was in President Trumps presence. A lot of the time. Remember on directly exam what cohen said was nothing about oh, we might have talked about this 14 yearold also. He was definitive in his statement that this was the conversation. It was only on cross and redirect that he had to start backtracking. Again, the guys credibility is just the thetic. I mean, i dont know that any reasonable jury outside of manhattan, whatever number latch on to cohen as being a truth teller in this trial well, we dont know what the jury is thinking. I dont think you can say whether its reasonable or not. Its up to the 12 jurors and there were two attorneys there trump said he was going to testify and he ultimately did intestine to fire you surprised no i mean, i wish i had better a head shape like elie on ad, but no, i mean, look the bottom line is there was preliminary. Theres a number of reasons not to do it. The first is pulmonary rulings by the judge made it clear that a lot of stuff from President Trumps life was going to be in play, including the e. Jean carroll case. Thats so harmful, maybe collateral, but it was gonna be harmful stuff to come out in front of a jury. But again, the whole strategy here should be and i think it played out reasonably well this way. Make it all about corrupt cohen, if you dont believe enough and Michael Cohen, you cant convict. And i think if you put President Trump on the stand, youre just inviting a comparison game. Youre actually watering down the effectiveness of your cross against cohen so right decision whether or not the president fought it behind scenes. I dont know. And i never will. But it was the right decision to say lets focus on cohen and the sufficiency of the governments case yeah, well see what Robert Casella did and whether or not he ultimately achieved. That the defense was trying to do jim trusty. Thank you for joining us. Weve got john berman and Kristen Holmes back here. And john, obviously, their goal going into putting rubber because cell on the stand was to undermine Michael Cohens credibility. It while jim trustees arent doing that, he thinks he did that effectively in that case, its not clear we dont know how the jury sees it, so we cant project on them, but its not clear that he and anyway, was able to undermine Michael Cohen . Know, look, and again, i think jims absolutely right that the Defense Strategy and probably really good strategy was tried to put Michael Cohen on trial here make this trump versus goal and who do you believe more and youre only really hearing from Michael Cohen here and if hes not believable, this case goes away. That may be a good Defense Strategy, but im just not sure Robert Costello helps that because as we said before, in a way, then youre also putting up someone to compare Michael Cohen to one Robert Costello, who do you like less here in costello gave cohen and run for his money, at least in his behavior on the stand, at least in the representation of some of those emails too, or Susan Hoffinger caught him a few times not knowing something or denying something and then showing him the email and he was having to reverse it. So to an extent, it gave the prosecution a chance to put to put costello on minitrial as it were. I get hes a minor player in this. But if, you know, if you can make someone look bad in comparison to Michael Cohen, your winning if youre the prosecution is a lasting impression for them hes certainly is, but i will just remind us all of what the jury has seen since the beginning, which is sleazy, underbelly of zach edey over and over again. I mean, it has been one witness after another, who are negotiating backroom deals and alleged affair with a porn star of people trying to extort people for money. I mean, this is one witness after another, somebody who has testified that they have been convicted of lying before is their main witness. I mean, i dont know what the jury walks away with this from, other than what we actually hear from them and how they determine the case. But that being said, does cost all just go into that same category regardless of its last or not of this is the kind of society that these people were operating in yeah. And the defense is now rested though donald trump said he himself will be rested, will see the president of evidence is done on day 20th. Donald trumps trial. 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This is cnn welcome back to Cnn Special Live Coverage. The case against donald trump may come down to a single question. Did the jury believed Michael Cohen i want to bring in Michael Cohens former attorney and friend, landed davis. Thank you so much for being here. So now that were going to have some time next week, the attorneys on either side of this case are going to give their Closing Arguments and the question is going to be, as i said, what is the jury believed . How do you feel . The case went as it headed into the end of the witness phase well, except for the media making this case, as if Michael Cohen is indicted in its his credibility at issue. And i dont just say all my friends, its cnn, but across the board i think the case in the jury room is gone very well because its about facts, its not about Michael Cohen. The facts speak for themselves. So there are only two issues dana, the jury has to decide its supposed to people on television, including me fact number one wheres the money paid to Stormy Daniels primarily politically motivated and it seems to me theres strong evidence for the jury beyond a reasonable doubt to say. Yes. You have david pecker, you have certainly a loyalist to donald trump, wellknown loyalist, hope hicks saying, guess, it was about the campaign so that issue is over. It doesnt matter what Michael Cohen is or isnt that issue is evidence that the jury will consider. The second issue more difficult is did donald trump lie when hes called them publicly legal fees . When in fact, the weisselberg document speaks for itself in his own handwriting. Thats Allen Weisselberg, chief financial officer, very close to donald trump in his own handwriting described three buckets of money reimbursed. Thats the word reimbursed not legal fees to Michael Cohen. And one of those buckets was 130,000 politically motivated, as i said earlier, hush money that number was multiplied by two to be 420,000 divided by 12. It was multiplied by two to make michael hole from a standpoint of income taxes divided by 12 equals 35,000. Voila 35,000 is the amount of the checks written by a city in president in the oval office to reimburse reimburses the word not legal fees. Michael cohen. Thats a factual question for the jury. So those are the two questions you notice. I didnt mention Michael Cohens credibility because neither of those facts need Michael Cohen to be credible. So thats my viewpoint. The other point i would make take is that to allow a trump lawyer to describe a manhattan jury as if we dont believe in the due process system of justice that relies on jurors following instructions to make a decision on the evidence and to allow that without somebody were budding, what do you mean by a manhattan jury . There are a jury that will follow the law democrats, republicans just recently, mr. Trusty referred to him. Okay. Manhattan jury, was an issue. So im just respectfully suggesting the rule of law will apply. Okay. Well, thats why thats why we have you on after mr. Mr. Trustee was on first a couple of things to go through several things. First, just to the most recent point that you were making about Allen Weisselberg and the charge that this was done in order to help his campaign. We have that document and you talked about the fact that the check was written in the oval office . This is a document that its Allen Weisselbergs handwriting. Its sort of scratching on the left, but the bottom line is, this is a document that you were referring to our viewers understand. Would you believe is what jurors are going to take away as proof when they decide that this whole scheme was, in fact to help the former president are then just the candidate in his campaign and not please go ahead. No no im sorry, dan. Its not about helping the campaign. Thats the first issue. Thats whher it was politically motivated analytically, most document p2s that it was posted i understand. Thank you for no. No. Its not. Let me take my own words. The document shows that the math has nothing to do with legal fees. If the jury believes that donald trump lied when he called the legal fees, then hes able to be convicted and that document proves is nothing about legal fees. Its purely math by weisselberg dividing 42012 to get 35,000 thank you. Thank you for clarifying that. I do want to go back to where you started with this, which is that Michael Cohen is not on trial. That is true. But Michael Cohen is a very important witness here. And you from the very beginning, even before this case came came to trial have said over and over again what you just repeated here, which is it is beyond the question of what Michael Cohen testifies to. It is the documentation, the receipts, all the other information that you believe is going to be beneficial to the prosecutions witness. You just made that argument having said all of that when you are an attorney and youre a prosecutor and you understand that the jury takes in everything that they have before them and one of the things that they did take in is the following. Im just going to read what happened in the courtroom yesterday. Todd blanche, the attorney for the former president , you never gave the 30,000 that was owned to the guy that owed red phones, red finch, did you know . No, sir. Michael cohen said blanche. So you stole from the Trump Organization, right . Cohen . Yes, sir. Blanche. And you didnt just steal 30,000, right . It was actually because it was grossed up. It was 60,000. Cohen . Yes, sir. Again, he has not being prosecuted for that. I completely take your point here, but his credibility what youre saying is that this notion of pin been minute on the stand that he stole from donald trump and the Trump Organization. You think thats going to have absolutely no impact on the jury . I cant predict absolutely no impact. Thats an extreme way of expressing it. No, i wouldnt use that extreme language. I would say the jury has common sense, unlike mr. Trustee, i believe in the jury system, i wouldnt say an alabama jury versus a manhattan jury. So the juries have to decide factually two questions wheres the money primarily politically motivated . The testimony of ms hicks and david pecker and keith alexander, her lawyers say it was campaign oriented, dont need to care about that particular problem of Michael Cohen to decide that second more important is the weisselberg document. Again, let me be clear, dana proves that donald trump lied about legal fees. It was not legal fees. It was about the math. Nothing to do with legal fees. And if the jury agrees with that by looking at the document, they will convict beyond a reasonable doubt now its up to the jury to decide whether that is true, but my view of that document is you dont need to believe Michael Cohen on the documents speaking for itself. And so those moments that you just addressed are embarrassing to Michael Cohen. He has his own defense as to what happened. Im not even going to address that other than two say we dont need Michael Cohen other than to confirm what is already evidenced and fact and he is the confirming narrator. You dont have to believe him. He can say believe your lying eyes of what weisselberg wrote as matt that led to 35,000 in reimbursements, not legal fees. Trump lied about its calling them legal fees. And that could lead to a conviction. Robert Robert Costello, who was the last witness before the end of the trial today, said that cohen told him trump knew nothing about that 130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels in 26 ive seen youre laughing. You think he just got on the stand . Yes. Im not going to because you youre giving your giving credence to a statement by mr. Costello, he was under oath giving you worth well, i know hes under oath and i know that mr. Costello forgot to tell everyone that he sent a illegal bill to Michael Cohen where there was no engagement letter he was part of a Rudy Giuliani conduit to mr. Trump because he referred to the big guy taking care of you. It was all about bringing michael and keeping him in the tent mr. Castellows testimony is what it is, but to refer to mr. Castells testimony as having credibility and then challenged Michael Cohens credibility when hes corroborated to lateral issues planning. Im not giving anybody credibility im reporting to you what happened in the courtroom and im asking you to respond to it. Okay. This is that is a fact that happened. All right well, excuse me. I you have a right to ask the question and thank you. Answered by saying that mr. Costello doesnt have a lot of credibility in light of the fact that he never had an engagement letter sen. Michael, a bill, and was working for Rudy Giuliani. So in my opinion, and i could be wrong. I dont believe mr. Mr. Costello, well have a lot of weight in the jury room compared to the documents speaking for themselves testimony being what it is. You dont have Michael Cohens credibility that changes that testimony are those documents landed davis. Thanks for your time this morning. Thank you. Thank you. Dana. Thank you for letting me speak. Thank you s talk more about well, lets just start with that. And talk generally about that fundamental question, which is, i mean, we have all heard from Michael Cohen, from landed davis, from others. As i mentioned to him, for a very long time, that regardless of what we see in here on the stand, it it is those documents that they are banking on the jury coming away with and saying, aha hes guilty of these two counts. Are these two issues that the prosecution is bringing their case on. As we keep saying, its up to the jury and lets see Closing Arguments, whether theyve connected the dots enough but two things. One, there are other witnesses who were not hostile to donald trump, who testified, hope hicks, who described trump as someone micromanager and said Michael Cohen would not have gone rogue. That was not he wouldnt have done this without permission. David pecker, who called trump, his mentor, and said he wanted to be the eyes and ears of the campaign to help him. So im sure the prosecution will bring those back. I just wanted to go back to the document and im going to give this one to laura because theyve been texting about it bill, you keep pointing to the weisselberg rights, but as put it up, because as you talk about it tainted by the fact that Michael Cohen apparently not immediately admitted that there was some money for a Company Called red finch. I think it is 50 or 50,000 and rough finch got 20 and Michael Cohen admitted on the stand under oath that he kept the rest. Its stealing that said, as we like to say, two things can be true at the same time. So laura does that take away from the rest of the document that does lay out this case . Of donald trump, who never likes to pay any money, let alone doubled the amount. And here he does that to make Michael Cohen whole on taxes going further. And doubling up. Well, lets show the numbers. I think its really important because first of all, youre right. It can be true that Michael Cohen was stealing. And here is just an evidentiary party that he has admitted the reimbursement payment comes down to make it green for a second . Yes. You see here, he only paid the company 20 8,000. Simple math tells you 30,000. He took home. Remember that they doubled this amount to one at and then they had the bonus of 60 66,000 the fact that you could think that the entire document in the entire weisselberg note would be discredited because Michael Cohen himself padded the amount it does not undermine fatally the prosecutions case that they are alleging that donald trump paid or through a reimbursement to Michael Cohen a sum of money believed that he was going to reimburse him for a payment to Stormy Daniels and further and theyre trying to hide that from the publics eye, not reporting it, and perhaps possibly in a conspiracy as an underlying crime. If youre quibbling over the padded amount that were talking about . That can still go to the jury as whether or not there was an intentional act committed without having to go into details, an under counting the entirety of this, again, its very important to consider this. Were talking about, and this is credited park 20,000 or 30,000 times two. But what about this . The question for this jury is going to be whether the prosecution he has made their particular case that in all of it that they were doing and all that they were endeavoring to do, that they had two was there an intent to defraud . There has been testimony about the intentional act, knowing that they were trying in some way to steal this from the public view, the intent to commit another crime this is the part thats going to be the Biggest Issue here for the prosecution, and were still waiting to figure out what is the specific crime theyre going to be talking about. But also, again, look at this one. Did donald trump make or cause a false entry this is the important part to prove about Michael Cohen was there a direct decision or an instruction by trump to cohen to do just that. And remember, there can be a Jury Instruction on this very point where they talk about this issue of what he could say and it could be the idea of saying to them that he had intentional aiding. Did Donald Trumps solicit or request or command improper . In importuned, or intentionally aid. Thats where the question before this jury thats why the argument that could be the achilles heel, not whether Michael Cohen patted on top was already paid, but but dana and i agree with laura and i agree with jamie. I dont agree with lani with all due respect it is ludicrous to say that Michael Cohens credibility is not an issue every witnesses credibility is at issue, and the man told this jury under oath, i stole 60,000 from my client they will factor that in. And i dont think if viscera rates the alleged weisselberg document, but asserted really tainted. And when you listen to lanny, when he goes on these filibusters, its kind of like saying that mrs. Abraham lincoln, after the unpleasantness at the ford theater i know there was some trouble last night, but how was the play there . Its just totally lost that a lawyer stole money from a client in the world of attorney missing deeds that firstdegree murder are equivalent, and then he said, well, i got short order, my bonus was selfhelp. Go down to your bank when they overcharge on a fee and rob them and say, i was unhappy with the fees. This mans credibility, hes not on trial. This mans credibility is at issue, and the prosecution frankly there are strong career prosecutors. They dropped the ball on this one because they let a lot of this come out on cross. They should have read land his book that says, when you have a problem, tell it early, tell little until yourself, kindness, play, show everyone for a second on this. I know here make this point. What Michael Cohen actually said about this issue when the prosecution then asked him about the stolen my logo to the tablet for a second, please, because that been on the redirect when the redirect happened, the prosecutor asked, why did you take that extra 30,000 . Why didnt you just put 20 down on the list instead of 50 . Michael cohen said, i was angered because of the reduction in the bonus. So i just felt it was almost like i can selfhelp. I wasnt going to let him have the benefit this way as well. And again, 103,000 to have my bonus cut by twothirds was very upsetting to say the least. And so theyre going to have as a jury to figure out whether that is efficient reason to say, look, okay. He stole from the Trump Organization. So now he is a liar. A cheater, and now a thief. Is that going to be enough to rehabilitate him in the jurys eyes as a quote, unquote, innocent explanation. Thats part of the discussion, but if thats the oil and the case is hitting on, the prosecution has has a uphill battle as judge grass so was saying yesterday, he was in the courtroom when this was happening. He has been a great to retired judge shes been coming on our air and explaining and he said that the moment about these stealing the money sort of fell flat with the jury. So i mean, weve been talking about it extensively if the jury is following the judges directions and not watching news coverage, which we hope theyre not. And over the next week, we hope they dont we dont know how much that is going to play into it. Obviously, this will be front and center in Closing Arguments, but i its still think that as jamie said, is weve all said we dont know how the jury processes any of this, but thinking back to all the witnesses, madeleine westerhout, the former aide to the president who cleared Michael Cohen in. So many other witnesses who are friendly to donald trump, who werent hostile at all. So at the end of the day perhaps its good that theres this pause here because it really, i think level sets all the witnesses when the jury walks into the jury box or the jury room rather, after hearing the instructions next week, everything is equal. What just happened a few moments, you is perhaps the same as hope hicks. And i think thats what we have to keep in mind. And thats also going to be up to the in this case the prosecution, when they make their closing statements. Let me just try to argument the bottom line. This i think lady davis is correct that those handwritten notes are very important, valuable pieces of prosecution evidence. And what they do is they corroborate, boost up Michael Cohen. They narrow the gap that Michael Cohen needs to bridge within his testimony but that gaps still exist. I think lanny is suggesting the gap is zero, then you could extricate Michael Cohen, pull him entirely out of this case. And the jury can still convict. I disagree with that. Virtually every lawyer ive run that question by including norm eisen, who has his leanings in this case agrees you cannot pull Michael Cohen out of this case and still convinced. So the prosecution has done a very good job of narrowing the gap that they need. Michael cohen, two bridge, but they still need to trust him to some extent. Okay. Today . Ac two and the donald trump Hush Money Trial concludes. 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And it all set us up for the Closing Arguments clash. That is now slated for one week from today. Next tuesday, when the jury is back in the room, we have to legal experts who are joining us, new york criminal Defense Attorney Arthur Aidala as, well as karen friedman, agnifilo, who is the former chief assistant District Attorney of manhattan. And of course, as our viewers know, is of council for a firm that represents Michael Cohen. But she does not have contact with them and doesnt work on his case and can talk freely about this cafe. Let me start with you because we havent heard from you today on just what you have made the last wild ending of what was already a pretty wild trial i think the calling mr. Costello for on behalf of mr. Trump as their only Defense Witness. Really backfired. I dont think it had the intended effect that the defense thought it would have it really highlighted with email corroboration on redirect, especially, im sorry, on cross it especially really highlighted the pressure that Michael Cohen was under at the time to not cooperate and to not flip. And i think it actually corroborate Michael Cohen and the jury is going to wonder this is the person of everything you heard that you decided to call. Of course, the defense doesnt have to call any witnesses, but they could have called. I think theyre going to wonder where is the bodyguard mr. Schiller, right . Why didnt they call him . Why didnt they call Allen Weisselberg to people who in their mind, i think they would think are favorable to mr. Trump instead, he calls mr. Costello, who really came across as a shady attorney in my opinion. So i think it backfired arthur, youre youre standing outside the courthouse. What did you make of not just how castello was on the stand today, though, it seemed that Susan Hoffinger brought up some emails that were not flattering and also contradicted the idea that he testified to yesterday, which is that he didnt see Michael Cohen as a client. What it was it was pretty clear that he was trying to get them as a client look at this is going to be a case of like who do we believe . Costello or cohen . Costello is like a storied federal prosecutor working in the building a block away from us for years that hes been a criminal Defense Attorney. I mean, i dont know what hes doing mean it was like understand obviously it wasnt the best day that he ever had people get nervous on that Witness Stand. Weve spoken about that, but if you compare him this qualified lawyer whos been around for a long time and has a great reputation as a lawyer. Michael cohen, who admitted to a sea level felony, kaitlan, a sea level felony, which the District Attorneys office failed to show charge him with or fail to address why he wasnt charged for that. So you have a guy who admitted to a sea level felony testifying against the former president United States, on an e as in elephant level felony thats gonna be an interesting topic for summations. I think and obviously those rankings of felonies goh from a to e. Thats why youre pointing out that that was that would technically could be potentially a c, but on what you just said about Robert Costello and his history, did during didnt hear any of that. I mean, Robert Costello took the stand. He told talked about the firm where he works that hes been there for about seven years. The focus was not on his credentials or his background. I mean, what they saw was an irritated witness who was feuding with the judge and striking his own comments from the records and answering questions. Even after the judge had sustained objections to those questions. So does the during three i mean, did they dont they dont see what you just talked about there no, but they also didnt hear what they heard from Michael Cohen over what three days or whatever of testimony of how long did you spend time in jail for it is it is a federal crime, is it a state crime . You lied to congress . Oh, and by the way, you stole from your client, you recorded your client. I mean, you cant compare bob costello background and what the jury heard or didnt hear to what they heard about Michael Cohens yeah. And of course, campi, neither bob costello nor Michael Cohen or the defendant in this case. And so i think thats what people looked at today, is i remember said in court, that he was going to testify, but he often said it outside before courts started. And then very clearly, you know, one i think realistically whos covered him, expected him to actually get on the Witness Stand. But what does it say that he didnt feel the need to take the stand . I think he thinks that enough reasonable doubt was established through like the crossexamination of Michael Cohen in particular and other witnesses to distance trump from this crime and of course, theres gonna be a charge conference this afternoon at 2 15 with the judge where theyre going to talk about what are the various charges the judge is going to give the jury and one of them will be that you cant hold live against the defendant for not testifying. That you absolutely cannot hold that against him. And so they will be reminded of that fact are there if youre the defense and youre going francis afternoon, which may not be yeah. Go ahead or there go ahead no i know you were you were you and i are in exactly the same page. Im going to say that may be for the defense the most important part of the trial, and i dont say that lightly. Because thats when the jury is given the rules of the game. Thats where they are told what they can consider, what they can consider. Thats when they are told that if they believe a witnesss lying about one thing, they can disqualify all of their testimony that language is huge. And then caitlin, what they do is after they nail that down with the judge, hopefully today, if not, tomorrow, the next day, you use that language as much as you could get away. Within your summation you want the jurors to hear the law thats going to come out of the judges mouth after both sides sum up, you want to the jurors to hear the defense using the law for their advantage. And thats why today is huge, especially what can they can make . What cant they . Theyre talking about having beat the possibility of him being convicted of a misdemeanor i dont know how that can happen because the misdemeanors already out of the statue limitations. Maybe karen could enlighten us on that well, yeah. I agree. One you could respond to that in two but two as a prosecutor, what would be the one thing that you would want to get accomplished this afternoon in that pivotal meeting yeah. I agree for one i agree with with arthur that the misdemeanor is not on the table here. This is either a felony or nothing because the statute of limitations has run. So i dont think that will be submitted to the jury as lesser included offense. And look, the charge conference is very important. I think if if i, were the prosecutor, what i would be focusing on is what is what is the judge going to tell the jury about what the prosecution had to prove in terms of that this was done to aid or conceal, or cover up another crime because really thats whats whats makes this a felony and thats an a critical element here. And ive want to make sure that the jury knew i didnt have to prove that other crime. I just had to prove there was an intention to commit a crime when falsifying these Business Records or when causing the falsification of Business Records thats the other thing i would want to make sure four is in the judges charge. Is that the jury doesnt have to find that donald trump actually made the false entry in the record just that he caused the false entry to be made. That that is enough. I would also want an aiding and abetting charge, which is under the law thats criminal liability for the conduct of another meaning that its like the getaway driver at a bank robbery. How even if they never entered the bank or demanded the money, if you had the same criminal intent, which robbed the bank, you would be equally guilty. So those are the points as the prosecutor, i would want to come out in my charge for the judge karen friedman, agnifilo, Arthur Aidala. Thank you both for that. John berman, Kristen Holmes are back here with me and that is going to be a Pivotal Moment this afternoon. Its not going to be the Robert Costello show that we got yesterday where reporters we were cleared out of the room. The judge was giving into scolding. But what happens is that could be highly consequential i mean, its like its really could be the ball game here of what the jury hears next tuesday. And i they karen highlighted the two things that i think could be the sticking points, if not the sticking points, the center of this case, number one, the documents. How will the judge explained to the jury what they have to rule on the documents . Clearly, donald trump, he and alter them himself. He didnt literally falsify them with his own hands. So what does it mean for him to have caused them . To be falsified . How will they understand that instruction for the judge . Thats one thing ill be looking for and the other thing is the Campaign Finance violation. If this was done in the furtherance to cover up another crime and that crime is a Campaign Finance violation. How will the judge explained to the jury . Jury this aspect of Campaign Finance law . So what will their understanding be about whether or not there was a Campaign Finance law, violet Campaign Finance law is tough to understand. It really can be and how it is explained to them could be decisive yeah. I mean, thats what i any single legal analysts that weve talked to has said that really it all comes down to what the Jury Instructions are. And so i know that its going to be very technical this afternoon. I know that its going to take a lot of time, but i do think that thats going to give us a better understanding of what exactly the jury is going to hear and how theyre going to process the case because i know that we keep saying this. I know its your favorite thing that we keep saying that its all going to come down to what the jury decide. But truly, this is going to shape how they make that decision. What you said earlier was interesting that trump is does believe hell be convicted at this point because what i had heard, maybe we could go is they were still counting since the beginning, du hung jury as a when not if they didnt expect an acquittal ever at any point. I dont think but but they reviewing a hung jury as a wind, but still view that as as a win, the options here are conviction, acquittal, hung jury. They dont think hes going to get acquitted. The goal is that they hopefully get one juror and this is a hung jury, and thats obviously hope, but i do think that donald trump himself has braced himself for the possibility of a conviction particularly given the fact that everyone he has surrounded himself with or at least most people are constantly telling seeing him and that it is an unfair jury pool. And that is something we often see with donald trump when you hear something over and over again, he certainly thinks that as a possibility you can. The judge i mean, he the language he has israel, the judge, he repeatedly calls him corrupt and saying that hes conflicted, that he shouldnt, that he should throw this out. I mean, the judge, ive watched it multiple times. He bends over backwards to be fair to donald trump in greets him every morning. Good morning, mr. Trump. He has ruled in their favor on objections that theyve raised with the prosecution trump yesterday called him a tyrant outside of court. Yeah. That may not leave good feelings for the judge as hes figuring out how to direct these Jury Instructions on the other hand, he has tried to play it down the middle from the beginning and i would anticipate that he does that go before. Another thing i am wondering or thinking about as this jury processes this case is one of the things that had been proven really, really firmly as it were, right . Story handles got paid i mean, i think the jury can leave this case knowing Stormy Daniels got paid. There was a lot of evidence that she got paid for campaign reasons david pecker and others all testified to that hope hicks testified to that. So there are some things that maybe the jury can hang their hats on more surely than others. Yeah. And theyve got a whole week to think about it. We have much more from the court, but the legal drama in the political fallout of this dana bash will pickup are cell phone coverage, but they special edition of inside politics after this quick break, state check. We hear nothing. 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Now, the case historic case with consequences far beyond the courtroom heads to Closing Arguments, whether the prosecution proved that donald trump illegally falsified 34 Business Records to cover up a hush money payment to an adult film star that of course is four 12 new yorkers to decide i want to start with cnns eyes and ears inside hi, the courtroom. Kara scannell. Kara, you have been front and center at a 100 Centre Street for every moment of this historic trial. Lets start with what we saw its morning this morning, Robert Costello, the Defense Witness, back on the stand, who is under crossexamination by the prosecution they were trying to undercut his credibility the defense team had called costello to try to undercut Michael Cohens credibility. So one of the themes that cohen testified about was he said that he felt pressured by customers hello, to stay in trumps campi and that because of these emails and other testimony that costello was looking to serve as a backchannel to the former two then president donald trump. So with cotton sell on the stand today that prosecutors trying to get at his testimony when he said yesterday, that he had Michael Cohens interest in mind and not donald trump to mind when he was talking to him just days after the fbi had rate had rated cohens hotel room, his home, and his office, and she asked him about his testimony yesterday, which he said he had Michael Cohens best interests at heart. He said that that he did, and then she said, well, let me show you this email so she pulled up an email that costello had written to a partner in which he said our issue is to get cohen on the right page without giving him me appearance that were following instructions from giuliani or the president. She asked casella at that and he said, it wasnt that he was acting on the former president s behalf. He said that he was acting because he was trying to help Michael Cohen. He said that he was trying we get cohen on the same page because cohen had been complaining, of course, how old this lands with the jury is anyones guess, but costello was the final witness for the defense. They only other for why its called a paralegal yesterday to get in some phone records between cohen and costello because costello was really part of the defenses effort to try to knock down some some bit of Michael Cohen because he is those the heart of the prosecutions case. Now, as you said, donald trump did not take the stand and testify. The judge said Closing Arguments the tuesday of next week, when we go back this afternoon, they will negotiate over what the judge will instruct the jury on the law. That is a bit in the weeds. Its very technical, but its very the important to this case, stand up and sure. As you mentioned, the jury, kara, because we are not in the courtroom and we dont have cameras in the courtroom the question that were all wondering is, what was the reaction today by the jury, particularly as a castello was on the stand yesterday, there were these fireworks that happen outside the presence of the jury with the judge losing his patients with costello today, a lot of the the tone was the tone is lot different. Costello was responding to the questions, but the prosecutor was peppering him and at one point, she was using some of the words costello used against tim throwing it back at him saying the email speaks for itself and she was confronting to him. I mean, at one point i did see two jurors kind of exchange smiles at each other when there was laughter in the courtroom but they, for the most part, have just kept poker faces that theyve been taking in all this evidence over the past several weeks. All right. Cara. Thank you so much for your excellent excellent. That work. Thank goodness. Youre there for us. Appreciate it joined now by our great political reporters and legal minds. Cnns david chaldean and jeff zeleny. Jamie again, go, laura coates and elie honig. I want to start with the lawyers and i want to talk really big picture. But before we get to that, lets start where carriages left off, which is with costello la im going to start with you on the notion of whether or not castello ultimately was a good move or not a good move when it comes to the defenses decision to bring him at all, it was a terrible move he accomplish next to nothing of use for the defense. All they accomplished is that Michael Cohen at times said that he acted alone on the Stormy Daniels payments. We know hes had said that he has said that in many other contexts, we did not need bob costello to establish that on the flip side, the prosecution turned them into a prosecution witness. He really, through that crossexamination. It was driven and hold that there was this effort to keep Michael Cohen in line, to keep him from flipping and his performance was dreadful, right . He clearly alienated the judge. I think its quite clear that the jury picked up at least some of that and as ive said before, you could have if youre Donald Trumps team left the jury with a week to marinate and think about Michael Cohen, who live who stole, who, who did who, who has a financial interest in this case. And instead now the last thing theyre going to remember is bob go costello i think is a huge mistake. And we should also say that our reporting is but was real time when they were deliberating, was that there was a split among trumps lawyers about whether to bring him up. It sounded like maybe it was less of a split among the lawyers and more of a split among lawyers on one side, the client, donald trump on the other, and donald trump went out in politics, maybe an audience of one works. But when youve got 12 jurors, that is your singular focus. And youve got the other alternatives as well. The decision to not have the jury go out thinking, i dont trust the prosecutions case. I dont trust their witnesses. I dont know about the documents. And instead now think themselves. I dont like a defense goodness. I dont believe what they have to say. The documents are supporting who they told me not to believe thats not what you want to be in the defense. And remember at the end of all of this, theyve got about a week to deliberate these things. This will come down to a documents case. Normally, were thinking about the number 270, talking about donald trump where a president ial candidate no, it comes down to 30 34 different counts, 34, very important documents, 34 Business Records, instructions are gonna have to give them to tell them how to think about and contextualize it if i were the prosecution in this case, i would feel very good that yesterday was not the day that we ended. They didnt end on Michael Cohen, but then instead are ending on this man for castello, if im the defense, im wondering, did i commit a grave legal error in the sand . Not in terms of malpractice, but a grave legal strategic error by saying, you know what, im gonna gamble, that this jury thinks so little of somebody whos involved in the crime in the past or as lied, that will overshadow Everything Else. Thats a huge gamble. I wouldnt have made fair challenge. We havent heard from you yet today. What are your thoughts on how this wrapped up . Of course, when i say this, it is the witness phase of this trial. Yeah. And i think we are moving phases now from obviously we will await summations and Closing Arguments and well follow the judges Jury Instructions and wait for a verdict, but we are moving to the phase of pure politics now because were going to learn whether or not donald trump is going to run as the republican nominee for president as a convicted criminal or not. And whether or not that matters or not to voters. And i flew from new york this morning. There was a clear morning and the plane went around the island of manhattan perfect picture. I have sitting there thinking, as im like, following are court feed sitting there looking at that as 1. 6 Million People on this cramped island that i could see. So Crystal Clear and 12 people are now going to tell us the answers to these big, the biggest questions we have about the state of this president ial race so far i mean, weve spent a lot of time talking about what does the jury thing about Michael Cohen, what are they think about him being a liar . But i think about him ceiling what it matters is what does the jury think about donald trump . He is the defendant and we have learned a lot about donald trump in the course of this case. Im stuck by the red finch thing. This is what Michael Cohen was talking about, essentially stealing from trump by goosing the bill on that. But he was doing it for teres trumps image on this online poll. But i remember david pecker at the very beginning. They were doing an online poll of enquirer readers should he run for president. So it puts so many pieces to the puzzle together that weve all followed blow by blow over the last nine years or so. But to me, what is the jury think about donald trump as hes been sitting there, apparently sometimes with his eyes closed, sometimes not. Theyve heard some friendly witnesses, hope hicks was crying on the stand. Madeleine westerhout. So to me, i think the jury probably does not think as much about Michael Cohen as we all do, and were talking about them as we are here. But what do they think of donald trump . Thats what this comes down to. Jamie. I again very curious about the judges instructions on the law because im still not sure after all these weeks that i understand the new york state law. But i do think jurors use a lot of common sense. I think theres usually a judge will tell them to use them theyre common sense. We have yes. The documents . Yes. Michael cohen. You also have the audio tape up between where Michael Cohen recorded donald trump, where he says what will pay in cash and Michael Cohen goes, no, no, no no i think that the Closing Arguments will crystallize a lot of that. I do wonder whether the jury is going to wonder where is Allen Weisselberg . Because hes the guy whos handwriting is on there. The prosecutors didnt call him, but the defense didnt call let me either i dont think we quite know yet what the judge is going to do about those attractions. I want to go back to. I had a chance to interview one of the jurors who was dismissed early on. A potential jurors. And its still strikes me to this day, her comment what it was like when xi sayyed donald trump, the former president in the courtroom, and she said he was just a regular guy . Yes. Just suggest some guy and i think that is very pression for how i think ultimately a jury, who has been with him now for weeks on end. Yeah. Are going to be doing guess he has a larger than life figure. Yes. The former president in states hes also the defendant in this case. There is an an era, an aura of lessening every single day he sits there and otherwise nondescript courtroom like any other defendant at the end of all of that, you have to wonder, are they going to be the pro collectors that people thought . But voters were when you talked about access Hollywood Tapes and beyond and everyone thought that was the end of them. Theres no way hell become the present. Id say its was fine that jurors are not poor clip protesters. Theyve met these guys before new yorker hustlers. Theyve met cheaters, theyve met liars, theyve met people who dont want their wives to know something they may be those guys in some way, or they may be people who say all right prosecution. Were here. And that is a former president is that what youve got an elie i wanted to just sort of narrow the aperture just a little bit just to give one example of something that happened in the testimony of Michael Cohen that begs the question of one of the prosecutions arguments and part of the Prosecution Case against donald trump. And this is about his involvement in this and why he wanted this payoff. Hoffinger, who is a prosecutor as part of your work at the Trump Organization, did you feel that it was part of your job to keep them updated . But in matters that you were handling for him, cohen . Yes. It was actually required. Tell us what you mean by that. Cohen. When he would ask you when you a task you with something, he would then say, keep me informed, let me know whats going on. And he was saying what everybody did is as soon as you had a result, an answer you would go straight back and tell him, especially if it was a matter that was troubling to him and it elsewhere, he was talking about how this particular problem that he saw as a problem of Stormy Daniels potentially going out and telling the story was going to make women hate him because it is going to hurt womens view of him specifically when it comes to the campaign. Yep. This is a good example of why Michael Cohen is the key link in the whole chain here and the chain of liability that laura was just talking about. If all that donald trump knew was were paying off Stormy Daniels. I want her quiet its because of the election thats not a crime under the law. Thats been charged here in new york. They have to tie donald trump to the accounting, to the falsification of the Business Records. And the only one who can directly do that is Michael Cohen through conversations like the one you just showed down or theres several other points in his testimony where Michael Cohen talks about those conversations. Now the jury is not going to have to evaluate that in a vacuum because he does have substantial backups, substantial corroboration. Weve seen some of the handwritten notes. I dont think they get them all the way there, but they help. Weve seen full records and that kind of thing and thats the whole ballgame for prosecutors giving him as much support as possible before we go to break because this is ntype politics and have our political director here. Im going to take it advantage of that. Weve talked often about polls showing pretty consistently that if donald trump is convicted, there is a group, not a huge group, but there is a group of voters who support him now and say they wouldnt if hes convicted is there anything that we know about the opposite whether or not if he is acquitted or is not convicted or whatever happens hung jury, just in some scenario where after this hes not convicted, whether it will that question, whether it will pull support, whether people will say, oh, yeah let me cards on the table. Im a little dubious of this poll question to begin with asking people if convicted. Now tell us, i think voters will actually come to those conclusions when world event yeah, that makes some a little dubious about the prediction of behavior i mean, i guess you should be doing suppose all. But i prediction or behave like thats a snapshot in time, but i dont recall. I dont recall seeing a question asked if he is acquitted or if there is a hung jury, how might your vote beam . Its unknowable on a pole because what if hes convicted of some and not yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You cant do we havent seen it the Jury Instructions yet, so the political equivalent of that mu is different. So i think its impossible to know that as a possibility that theres 34 counts, but the jury, theyre not getting one question that says, you think that four and 20,000 was paid, ghraieb, this person as reimbursement. Its 34 counts invoices, ledgers, personal checks they may say i can tie in good dots to donald trump on personal checks, but i cannot. And voice of Michael Cohen, somebody whos already fudge those. This could be the split decision yeah. All right. 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It was created by random account online and reposted by a staffer who clearly did not see the word while the president was in court. Now, one key thing we did not here from the Trump Campaign and was not addressed in a statement is one why it took so long to be deleted. So this video was posted or shared, i should say yesterday afternoon and it it was not until midmorning that we actually saw it taken down and that came after both cnn and other outlets had asked the Trump Campaign, why have you not remove this . And we heard no word from the Trump Campaign on that. And look, i do want to show you a clip of this video because i mean, its stunning and i think its pretty remarkable to see what was shared and essentially it features ima images of hypothetl world war one newspaper articles. Im celebrating a 2024 victory for donald trump. And you can see there it says, quote, the creation of a unified reich under the headline whats next for america. Now, we did here pretty swiftly from the Biden Campaign and the white house shot carplay criticizing this. Heres a quick statement from andrew bates, a white house spokesperson. He wrote, quote, it is important, sickening and disgraceful for anyone to promote content associated with germanys nazi government under adolf hitler went on to say, any antisemitic dog whistling is dangerous and offensive and profoundly unamerican. We also heard from white house spokesperson or excuse me, press secretary karine jeanpierre, who says that she expects President Joe Biden to address this directly. This evening. And then i do just want to put a very clear point on this, which is that donald trump has shared antisemitic tropes before, particularly when he criticizes Jewish American hurricanes for voting democratic. Weve also seen him use antisemitic rhetoric in the past, including when he talks about immigrants are poisoning the blood of the country are referencing his enemies as vermin. That is language that has been compared to adolf hitler. And so this is something we have seen before, but definitely there are pushing back on dana, lana. Thank you so much. Much for breaking that down and explaining what happened thank you so much. Lets talk a little bit more about this. Jamie gan, gail im just looking back because jim sciutto did it did a piece or colleague in march 2024 in which he quotes for his book from general kelly, the former chief of staff, with alleged praise for hitler, where trump allegedly reserved some of his most unnerving praise for hitler, quote, he said, well, but hitler did some good things. And i said, well what this is general kelly, and he said, well, rebuilt the economy luck, the problem is, theres a pattern here were do you go back to charlottesville with good people on both sides to not taking it down immediately, letting to these kinds of comments from a former chief of staff. This is not okay. Theres absolutely a pattern and whether or not the former president , of course hes not a fully in charge of his or paying attention or proving everything on his social media feed. But as alaina said, it was up there for a very long time and it really doesnt matter. I mean, the point is this has been firmly injected into the campaign injected into the bloodstream, and its something that has served him. Well from his view about the history of this with general kelly, i think is the reason why this patterns of problems and i remember back in 2016, i think we have this there was a post that went up attacking hillary clinton. And in that attack, you see history made and you see the star there. Most corrupt candidate ever. And then it was edited with a circle. And i remember dance convened at the time saying that they took it off of a website where that was a sheriffs badge and it was in no way a jewish star i mean, it looks like a jewish star to me, but maybe a sheriffs badge look similar, but the point is the one theres a powder mix lent days for lunch. I mean, it goes on and on just from a take. All the important stuff about this and printed side for a moment as to why this should never be shared and obviously should never have gone up in the first place from a pure political Point Of View on this theyre taking it down. I think also reveals something very real, which is that the Trump Campaign, i know we talked, they thrive on controversy. Theyd like to feed on it. They like when things get outrage in the mainstream pass and then they can play it up for donations and echo Chamber Media on the right this Trump Campaign, the one run by Chris Lacivita and susie wiles, they see this as a problem. This is this kind of stuff goes directly against their strategy of the kinds of voters that they are trying to woo to make them taking a bit too. Well, take it down, whether or not its a welloiled machine is another thing. Im not going to get into that from the actual strategic place of this actually goes against what they believe are their Political Goals as well here. So its not just like, oh, yeah, this will work for the base. The high command of the Trump Campaign thinks this does not work for them, but it speaks pretty honestly with that pattern to what the candidate has regardless of what his current im not making excuses word im just saying i think in another era, we may have seen this even live online longer. Again, it never should have been there. Yeah. 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So lets take a couple of minutes and go back through the key points that both sides i think are gonna be stressing on closing. First of all, starting with the prosecution. Its important to understand in order to understand this crime how the actual well payments happen to Stormy Daniels first, Michael Cohen paid Stormy Daniels 130,000 of essentially his own money. He paid her about a week and change before the 2016 election after the election, Michael Cohen was real embarrassed. A total of 420,000 from donald trump and the Trump Organization. And those payments were styled as legal fees, retainers. Now, Michael Cohen is the key witness for the prosecution here. He testified in a way that directly links donald trump to the payments, for example, at one point Michael Cohen testified that he meaning trump, expressed to me just do it, go meet up with Allen Weisselberg, the cfo and figure this whole thing out now the prosecution though, is going to say to the jury, you dont have to believe Michael Cohen in isolation because they will point to documents that support Michael Cohens testimony, including several pages of handwritten notes that lay out how they were going to structure that 420,000 payment, not sure. You can see it here, but these are handwritten notes from inside the accounting parathas at the trump org. Where they arrived at the 420,000 figure also, prosecutors are going to say, look at the actual financial documents, look at the checks, some of them signed by donald trump himself with that distinctive handwriting, the invoices which say retainer, meaning in legal fees. And so that is the heart of the criminal case put on by the prosecutors are going to say Michael Cohen plus the documents should lead you to a conviction. Now, heres what the defense i think is going to argue. First of all, theyre going to say they poked holes in key parts of Michael Cohens testimony. For example, Michael Cohen testified about this one phone call on october 24th, when he said he called to discuss the Stormy Daniels matter and the resolution of it. Now you may remember this from earlier this week or last week, there was a key moment where the prosecution suggests that that actually that call if you look at the text was about something else, Michael Cohen was getting these harassing texts from a 14yearold kid and the texts that lead up to that call are all about the harassing 14yearold kid cohen. Text Keith Schiller, who can i speak to . Schiller says call me then the call happens. So the defense is going to argue that that called it not happen. Certainly did not happen as cohen described. And then the other big point that offense is going to make is michael phone admitted straight up. He stole from the trump board. He stole from part of this 420,000 payment. Therefore, the argue donald trump really did not know what was going on. How could he know if Michael Cohen was able to steal money from him during it . So then theres a couple of minute preview of what i think were going to hear when the parties come back for closings next week, ill throw it back to you and legend never three new york Defense Lawyer ron qb, i think is standing by you really good at that lie for a living. Now, i do want to thank you for the preview. I do want to bring in ron qv, who is at legendary criminal Defense Attorney. Thank you so much for being here. First, lets start on the defense and how the defense finished this morning. What do you think about the decision to call Robert Costello and call him last obviously was a bad decision Robert Costello did not add anything just and came off as hostile, nasty, combative, and untruthful within that though, i think his actual testimony is less important than we might make it out to be just its the most recent thing thats happened. So i think we give it a false sense of importance. I think the fundamental problem with Robert Costello was a witness is a problem that affects the entire case here, which is four fourandahalf weeks, we have heard from grifter is and liars and crooks and thieves, and just slimy people doing cruddy things. And they are all Donald Trumps people from costello down to cong, down to pecker and you come away with the sense of this is just not how honest people do business so if a juror said, after this course of deliberations, gosh, who would believe that donald trump would be associated with this . The answer is all of these are Donald Trumps people prosecution didnt pick any of them. Donald trump picked every single one well, that matter, its not its not to post a matter if the jury deliberates and decides based on this specific instructions which will no doubt be about the 34 counts, and whether or not on each count, donald trump get based on what the jury heard is guilty or not guilty, how do you think that the defense did with pushing back against overall against the prosecutions case cases i dont think they did a terribly good job. What they have basically tried is a reasonable doubt case. And what i expect the defense to lay out, are all the points that the defense believes that they scored. And referring to each of those who says as reasonable. Heres one, heres another, its almost like those little cartoons when we were young, you would circle the rabbits on a cartoon page that i think is what the Defense Strategy is going to be. Unfortunately, as one judge notably said, a criminal trial is not a search for reasonable doubt. Its a search for the truth so i dont think that events did well, i think the prosecutions case went in remarkably smoothly with only a couple of hiccups and, you know well see obviously what the jury does, what what affects us is may well not be what affects individual jurors and the jury as a whole. And of course, you know, far better than i that all you need is one juror to separate him or herself from the rest of the pack. And there could be a hung jury, which of course is not an acquittal if that happens what would happen next Donald Trumps team has said that a hung jury would be a victory. And thats a nice thing to say. But what might very well happen next, especially since trumps other criminal cases are on par us and todd blanches and required in any of them is the judge could schedule a retrial for joel or it could scheduled retrial for august while ago in front of judge cannon. I believe it was todd blanche said hes available august 12th. So that would not be a good thing for donald trump or the fence. Its another example of be careful what it is you wish four to one thing to help in this trial. Its another to actually want trial such a good point, all of them. Thank you so much, ron. Nice to see you. Appreciate it. Thank. You so much glad to be here and up next, talk about a birthday surprise. How arizona officials solve the mystery of where in the world is Rudy Giuliani . And theyve got him in an Arizona Court today. We will explain after a break make your first move with Battery Power made by steel right now say 50 on unselect battery lawn mower sets real still bind yours. Wow, incredible, amazing. My goto is luma by eye drops, luma phi dramatically reduces redness in one minute and look at the difference. My eyes writer and wider for up to eight hours, luma phi, its kind of amazing. See for yourself good job. 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Com today might have been 1 00 eastern, and it is already been a major day of legal developments in trump world this morning, of course, as weve been talking about testimony wrapped up in the former president s first criminal trial and any moment now to former trump attorneys and several alleged fake electors will be arraigned in phoenix on state charges, criminal charges for their effort to overturn the 2020 Election Results in arizona. That includes Rudy Giuliani, who was officially served at his 80th Birthday Party last friday after weeks of an odd game of cat and mouse. There he was at his Birthday Party posting online. Elie honig, where he was so he gave a bit of a roadmap to people trying to serve him. Yeah, thats where he was not the most impressive work by Law Enforcement authorities in arizona, by the way, hes not that hard to track them down, but now they have served him and he has to appear in court to fight this case. This is rudys i believe im counting right second, pending indictment. Hes indicted in georgia as well. Its been listed as a coconspirator, unindicted in jack smiths federal case. So rudys legal problems just keep piling up. I mean, even move it beyond the criminal world. Hes been hit with monstrous civil verdicts, including something 140 million plus for defamation of the two Georgia Election workers, shaye moss and ruby freeman. He has still he still a defendant in the defamation cases filed by the Voting Rights are not Voting Rights. The Voting Technology company smartmatic, dominion so hes been, hes lost his law license hes got all sorts of problems. I dont know what the endgame is here. Hes been putting it off, but sooner or later is going to have to show up and take accountability and lara beyond Rudy Giuliani, this case, thats happening in arizona is happening in a very very important swingstate in 2024. And is going to already, and its going to continue to highlight what the Trump Campaign allegedly did in 2020. Were now talking about about 50 defendants over four states involving actions taken, trying to show erroneously, illegally that donald trump was the victor and then place he did not when arizona, youre talking about defendants who are charged, all of them forgery conspiracy, fraud, all trying to establish that he in fact was victor. He was not. And theres no evidence to the contrary to support that he infected whim this is so important because we look at all the people that have had to move, whether its michigan or georgia, or even arizona, there have been some whove already pled guilty to the actions. One person whos a codefendant his case now is Election Integrity of council for the rnc. Another person i think is involved in the campaign as well in some degree, theres so many people who are still very much active in the political world right now. And the consequences of this extraordinary, the end the day. Remember this is the former man who was called americas mayor. This is somebody who has elie talked about is an attorney people who knew better, people who are taking actions to undermine allegedly the integrity of our elections. And here we had yet another state and an important one. Its swingstate. Remember rusty bowers who was the head of the Republican Party in arizona, who famously spoke at the hearing for the second impeachment. And these are january 6 hearing when it came for donald trump and and under congress, he talked about his moral compass. He talked about his inability to go along with what they were trying. And he pointed out to me on trial yeah. You said hes an attorney, i guess hes always an attorney. He just does not a practicing its not allowed to be license is suspended. 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This is cnn before the break, we were talking about another trumprelated case in arizona. Were also watching the state of georgia tonight because Fulton County District Attorney fani willis is actually up for reelection today. And that of course, comes as she fights to move forward with the trump election interference case. In georgia i am at a point where i need Fulton County voters to get out and vote. I need people around the country to support me. Big and small to say that we are going to be a country that Still Believes in the rule of law. We are not going to allow people to be attacked while they do their job. It doesnt matter how many times they attack me. I am not going to be broken and i am going to still be standing here doing my job lawfully jeff zeleny, what do you what are your thoughts on this moment in time with fani willis, who has become such a lightning rod for the republicans that obviously she would say fair to say she has a lot of support from the democrats are going before voters today. Look, shes in a democratic primary today. Shes running against a white smith. Shes largely expected to win this democratic primary. And then she faces a republican challenge in the fall also likely expected to win that. But look, it is just a reminder of what happened to the georgia case that once was going to be potentially the big case for the former president on camera, which Georgia State law allows before the election. That now is not going to happen. Of course, the judge also in this case, judge mcafee, also going before voters. So again, a reminder that a georgia law, like many other states, the prosecutors are elected officials and the judges also have to stand for a retention. He was appointed by republican governor brian kemp. But look what this has happened in georgia is still a battleground state president ially speaking, its not near the top here. Its not one that President Biden has to win to hold on, but well be watching that tonight. She is expected to win, but a reminder that this case likely not going to happen, but for november, which is significant. And david just infused kinda take a step back, obviously, new york, thats local case, not a federal case. We. Just talked about arizona, where donald trump is not being prosecuted if people ended around him, are and then were talking about georgia where he definitely is being prosecuted. Never mind the federal cases that are on ice for various reasons talk about this moment, not just in history, but in the campaign as you were in these last two segments, like looking at the arizona stuff, looking at this and then of course, following the trial today, it is amazing to me how much of the Campaign Story is about the past. Its about the 2020 election case in new york talks about the 2016 election. And it is all about the past donald trump himself is still out there as he did in minnesota on friday night, lying saying in one minnesota, he didnt today didnt interview in pennsylvania, leinz saying in one pennsylvania in 2020, he didnt you have these fake electors you have this case in georgia where these folks are up for election that are involved in it, but that is a about the 2020 race. So much of what we are focused on in this Campaign Season right now is about the past and not the future. Ten second button. Im thinking about jack smith and waiting for the Supreme Court decision on immunity. That was the case we thought was going to go first thats very well said. Thank you all. Thank you all for your insights, for your reporting, for your friendship. You for watching inside politics cnn, news central starts after the break yeah, dp disrupts cid p derails. Lets be honest stocks but living with c idp doesnt have to. When you sign up at shining through cip. Com, youll find inspiration and real patients stories helpful tips, reliable bold information and more cid p can be tough. But finding hope just got a little easier. Sign up is shining through c1p. Com. Be heard, be hopeful did you know sling is your favorite news program . Were just 40 a month my favorite news, but just 40 a month my favorite for just 40 he was for 40 a month. Sling lets you do that. Everybody wants super straight super white teeth. 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