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By everyone at cnn. And of course viewers two. And we are sending our care to her family tonight thanks for joining us. Anderson starts now tonight on three 60 disorder in the quarters, the judge in the former president s Hush Money Trial criticizes a Defense Witness for breaking the rules of decorum, also Breaking News on the Helicopter Crash that killed a rons present and eight others will have the latest on the investigation. What it means for iran in the world. And later oneonone with comedian bill maher talking trump. Biden. Would he thinks is wrong with the american politics and culture good evening. There was drama today in the trump Hush Money Trial. The likes of which we have not seen in the more than five weeks or proceedings no sooner or the prosecution rested and the defense called another witness, then judge merchan cleared the courtroom. Are act after the judge cited that witness, attorney Robert Costello for improper the courtroom behavior that included rolling his eyes and an audible sigh One Point Merchan said to costello, quote, if you try to stare me down one more time, i will remove you from the stand. Not something that defendants likely wanted to see or hear is the whole purpose of colon costello, who had once given legal advice, the prosecutions star witness, Michael Cohen, was for him him to undercut cohens credibility. The defense later as judge merchan to dismiss all charges over cohens credibility issues, the judge would only say hes reserving his decision. Trumps onetime fixer and attorneys spent more than 17 hours over four days on the stand. Today, the defense got cohen to admit he stole from the Trump Organization for an unrelated expense hence, it was included in the alleged 420,000 Stormy Daniels reimbursement at the heart of the Felony Charges against the former president. Now the prosecution has painstakingly try to use Witness Testimony to paint trump as a micromanager who would know every detail about that payment in order for the jury to find him guilty of falsifying Business Records the prosecution also try to rehabilitate damaging testimony. Cohen game on thursday when the defense used Text Messages between him and trumps bodyguard, Keith Schiller, to suggest that a subsequent call and october 24, 2016 was not as cohen had testified, a way to contact trump about the final details of the Stormy Daniels lets payment. But as the messages suggest a conversation with only schiller about a 14yearold crank color who was aggravating Michael Cohen. Today, prosecutors showed a still photograph from this video of a trump rally that night in florida. You can see there trump waving and in the spot shadow Keith Schiller both sides stipulated the video concludes roughly five minutes before that 8 02 pm phone call. Now prosecutors were suggesting that it proves that schiller could have handed the phone to trump when cohen call that he was that close to him. Now thats of course, up to the jury to decide a jury that the judge today said would here closing arguments next week, but not before court is back in session again tomorrow with that lawyer, Robert Costello, back on the stand. Im joined now by criminal Defense Attorney arthur aidala, former federal prosecutor, jeffrey thuban, seen an anchor, abby phillip, who was in the courthouse today. New york times senior political correspondent, Maggie Haberman and arun kara scannell, who was the courtroom. Also with this johnny jones, former chief judge of the Us Middle District Court of pennsylvania, qarrah, you were there and i know you just got the transcript what was that moment like between judge merchan and Robert Costello it was really intense. I mean, i had not seen anything like this and it came as castello was on the Witness Stand Being questioned by prosecutors excusing by trumps lawyer heres a prosecutors had objected a number of times. I counted there were at least 15 sustained objections. A judge saying castello couldnt answer the question because those a former prosecutor and even after the judge sustained some of them, he continued to speak. You could kind of see the judge getting frustrated, but then it snowballed after costello had after one of these sustained objections costello let out a gs and it was audible enough to be heard in the back of the courtroom and it was then that the judge excuse the jury. And once the jury was out of the room, he turned to costello and said, mr. Costello, i want to i would like to discuss proper decorum in my courtroom. Costello interrupts him and says, but im sorry, go ahead, judge. Merchan, i want to discuss proper decorum my Courtroom Castellows is right. Judge has okay. So when theres a witness on the stand, if you dont like my ruling, you dont say jeez. Okay. And then you dont say strike it because im the only one that can strike testimony in the courtroom. Do you understand that costello says, i understand. Judge has okay. And then if you dont like my ruling, you dont give me sayyed and you dont really we are eyes, do you understand that . Do you understand that casella said, i understand that. I understand what youre saying. Were sean said, okay. Thank you. Lets get the jury back and then theres this moment where the judge says to him, are you staring me down right now and castula says, no, im just wondering how and the judge is clear. The courtroom. Clear the courtroom, chaos ensues does are trying to more shot all of the press and the number of media, people are objecting, saying we have a right to be here are lawyers here, and the officers saying everyone has to get out, has to get out. They remove us all. So everyone leaves the courtroom of everyone. No, they didnt remove the politicians that were there supporting trump. Theyve removed the members of the media. And this one row of members of the public and the courtroom and then we have the transcripts. So now we know what happened after that. And the judge had said to castello, serwer, your conduct is contemptuous right now. Im putting you a notice that your conduct is contemptuous if you try to steer me down one more time, i will remove you from the stand and castula says, can i Say Something, please . The judge says, no, no . This is not a conversation wow maggie great stuff. Before, i have never seen this before in a trial, were donald trump as the defendant and the witnesses, the person who is drawing this kind of outrage from the judge is not what i expected because we have been looking for trump to be the person acting up in ways the judge would find upsetting think it has a few times, but not like this. But it was not entirely surprising because anybody who has dealt with bob costello knows that he can be a wildcard. And this is why a lot of people in trumps world thought calling him was a risk. And we got to see what a risk it was because this all took place in front of the except for that. But at the end but the objections all took place in front of the jury the parts of cross that took place today by the prosecutors were not great for costello and so Michael Cohen, who is a key witness in this case, has gotten pretty roughed up by the defense, by todd blanche, in particular are specifically i should say and today he he said he stole from the yeah. And that was that was a key moment. And in some ways was more significant than what happened last week, which was a pretty dramatic moment. But to then go into closing with what Marsha Marsha and clearly thought was a sideshow. And he made that clear when he was talking about whether even let castello testified to certain things Have Castello behave if this way, and then just sort of Have Castello reinforce part of what prosecutors are arguing here, which is that there is a sort of manabi aspect to this case into a lot of the behavior by the trump people. It just doesnt seem to help. Im pleased. Its like as if fox news jumped out of the television and into the courthouse today. Thats been the risk all along of bringing in a character like michael. Costs are like bob costello. He is someone who obviously thrills the right with the way that he attacks Michael Cohens character. Im sure he thrilled donald trump with his testimony last week in front of the house committee. But in a Courthouse House that is not the tone and the demeanor. I mean, we talk all the time about how judge merchan is a very softspoken judge. He does not want people. He does not raise his voice. And the general conduct of council, prosecution and defense is even toned and measure an even when they are making objection or Something Like that unfold in this courthouse its its a sideshow let me the judge judge, i mean, what do you make . The judge handled it. Well, you know my first comment would be just another de at office for judge merchan. I mean, i cant even imagine i would levitate out of my seat if i had a witness who is a lawyer an officer of the court, and knows better than to talk over me and give me the i when he sitting there, i think he handled it perfectly to warn him that he was going to hold them in contempt. The Greater Question is from a tactical standpoint, why they called this witness and jurors tend and ive said this before to cleave to the judge, the judges, their protector, the person who breached them, sends him off at the end of the day. They dont like when a judge gets walked on by a lawyer or in this case, a witness, it leaves a really bad sensation of bad taste your math and you know, to your point about stealing from trump, that got washed over by this witness there was a moment and they took that moment away by calling this witness with all due respect, your honore. And i dont mean to talk over you know, im the Defense Attorney. Im like, Ladies And Gentlemen Of The Jury Michael Cohen admitted two grand larceny. Grand larceny admitted that to the prosecutors in the in within the statute limitations but to Hearing Charges against him. He is so in their pocket theyre so indebted to him that they didnt even charge him with a very simple crime. He admitted to the crime. He admitted it to them. Its an insult, arthur, i dont i dont disagree with you. That thats a moment in the case. My question is, why you then you dont use a counter narrative costello. Look, i wasnt in the courtroom. You guys were i dont know what that and i will tell you this, judge, when i am Defense Attorney and im calling witnesses. And now, after ive walked, the jury is watch the judge, go question answer a question, answer question, answer. And now i go up and i asked the questions. Objection. Sustained. Objection. Sustained. Objection. Sustained. You know what i looked at the jury ago. They want this hushed up. They want this hush stuff. They dont want you to know this wasnt how the jury was looking at lets talk about the substance of costello this testimony, and lets talk about costello. Anybody remember the mla report . Hes actually a big figure, maggie. We were just talking about this. He the exchanges between him and cohen are according to Robert Muller a dangling of a pardon from donald trump, but he was allegedly sort of the emissary from trumpworld to cohen to dangle exactly. And thats what youre going to hear in the cross tomorrow to add to this atmosphere of mafioso stinking corrupt relationship between donald trump and Michael Cohen. The record castellows irish. So i know you talked around mafioso and a guy named costello for the record, is i did make that it a little sensitive. I meant i meant its presidency italianamerican generic organized crime can i just make a point that arthurs point, it is true. They called him because he tells a counter narrative and he tells a different version of a story than what Michael Cohen does with similar facts, he tells a version which is actually it was Michael Cohen reaching out to me and theres a more extensive version but that wasnt what look and the caveat we dont know what the jury thanks. And we need to say that over and over again, at least in the courtroom, that wasnt what came through. Because he was stepping on himself. It wasnt just the objections. He at one point, susan hoffinger, the prosecutor who was during the crossexamination of him was asking a question and he spat out speak into the mic and the jurors, two of them looked at each other when he did that. So i dont i dont know how much of that counter narrative came through. I understand what youre saying. I think the client was very happy, but i think what the defendant is happy with and what the rest of his team is happy with his not always the same thing. Thats all im saying one other point that i would just make in terms of what the judge said about how judge merchan handled it. I think they were sean has actually been bending over backwards to be fair to the defense, the Defense Cannot Stand Him and thats very clear in everything. I think that with a lot of things he has done, he has tried not to be in confrontation with donald trump how you justify kicking out the press and keeping in Donald Trumps supporters when you say clear the courtroom, i dont quite know how that works. The judge was also even before costello took the stand he expressed some concern for the defense that this was not a wise course of action. He basically was like, are you sure you want to go down this call to sack . Of this Pressure Campaign allegedly that Michael Cohen said he was subject to. He tried to warn them and they didnt listen and they put him on the stand anyway. And well see what the result will bend the other moment that i noticed today was with the clip from cspan. You know, that there was an inability apparently to stipulate and then they stipulated later they thought better of it which youd get at sidebar and say, are you kidding me that you wont stipulate to this . And i understand its a Death Cage Match in a nobody wants to stipulate to anything at that point, but im not sure that thats a good tactic to du and maybe thats what the former president , lets talk about. Michael cohens stealing from the Trump Organization. I mean, how important is that well, i think it is it gives the defense the opportunity to say hes not just a liar, but hes a thief so you double up. It is important and its going to come out and closing arguments and theyll lean heavily into it. I just dont know whether. The jury doesnt have baked into the narrative already. This is a bad guy, and theyre not particularly surprised about from my perspective, i dont know that its as severe as it was made out to be in the moment today where i would agree with that because i mean, just being in the courtroom, i felt like there was a little but if a dichotomy between people who were in the room and outside of the room. And i was an overflow but i was hearing the arguments as they were happening the gist of the story was both bad for Michael Cohen and also bad for trump because at the end of the day, the story was essentially that trump that Michael Cohen got a company to pay for trump to do better in some stupid poll that no one cared about and trump didnt want to pay the company and that Michael Cohen eventually gave them 20,000 in cash which and then took the money that the Trump Organization repaid him bad for Michael Cohen, but also the sort of little Between The Lines part of it is that trump probably would not have paid them at all. How about this . That doesnt make iri has been and weve covered it for four weeks trump is so careful for this money. He knows where every dollar goes he signs every check that tiffany frame 650 grand weight that when you didnt know that agree with you on that. And i think that i was surprised that the that the defense didnt actually doubled down on that because youre totally right that its not actually clear whether trump knew Michael Cohen was actually paying that company. And the defense never really went down that road to say, well, if trump is so careful widen he know about this it is worth remembering the prosecution did mention this in his direct testimony, so this was not a hidden imam shell. The other thing is cooperating witnesses often do terrible things and they get passes all the time and isnt that right i just need to say this for my own peace of mind. If donald trump is sitting in that seat, it barack obama was sitting in that seat, or joe schmo was sitting in that seat, whoever it is, i dont care what party or a member of if i am the district attorney, the way i was raised in the law, you do not bring the very first case ever against the president of the United States under these facts and circumstances where your main is somewhat flawed, as Michael Cohen, if i brought this case to joe highs, the brooklyn de in 1995, he would have said already, were not calling it. I also just do think yes, they did. That prosecutors did mention this. They didnt exactly signpost it, so its still read like something as a surprise. And also the Keith Schiller texts last week, theyve got introduced that were talking blanche big sort of pseudo perry mason moment. I dont know why the prosecution didnt bring that out in the first place. Two, there have been a number of missteps by the process. You seem like youre i mean, its well, i dont deplete. 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Baking aisle by more than liebermann at the pentagon this cnn or Breaking News tonight, Funeral Services spanning several days begin tomorrow for iranian president ebrahim racy, who was killed along with eight others when theyre their Helicopter Crashed and faki conditioned the mountainous northwest part of the country on sunday, raised his death comes at a precarious moment in iran is history both domestically and internationally. Cnns, ive and watson it has more iran in a state of mourning commemorating the shocking death of iranian president Ebrahim Raisi during the frantic hours when rescuers searched for the missing president. The most powerful figure in the iranian political system, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Coming A0b0 declared the government stable and strong maddow, my dear people, whether you are sitting here or well hear my speed to later, do not worry. There will be no disruption in the countrys work inside iran, highly polarized reactions to the sudden death of a leader. Ryan racy has been a taste of repression in your offer a very long time. Im not surprised that many will celebrate raisi it was a Regime Hardliners sanctioned by the Us Government for allegedly overseeing deadly crackdowns on iranian protest movements. And the us and Rights Groups say he took part in an alleged Death Commission that ordered the execution of thousands of Political Prisoners in 1988 which raisi has never responded to i see more contiguity then change. Regardless of what happens next according to the iranian constitution, the littleknown Vice President muhammad mokhber, has now become interim president , paving the way for elections to be held within 50 days. This is a system that has managed this kind of turmoil in the past. So in the short run, it can certainly manage a choppy waters. But in the longer run, its a system that is ideologically bankrupt messages have condolence are pouring in from longtime allies like syria, as well as russia, which launches iranian shahid drones against cities in ukraine also publicly morning raisis loss. Iranianbacked militant groups such as yemens, houthis, hamas lebanons, hezbollah meanwhile, few tears likely to be shared by iran. Sworn enemy, israel the two countries long shadow war exploded into direct for tat longrange strikes just last month. I dont think he will shift anything in the region or in terms of irans relationship with its neighbors are neighboring powers. Thats because most of the power iran leinz, with Supreme Leader ali khamenei, whos still in power and hes the one who is calling all the shots how the Islamic Republic deals with this deadly crash may set the stage for a much bigger future challenge. The question of succession for Ayatollah Khamenei ii the countrys 80 yearold Supreme Leader, ivan watson to cnn we should know the New York Times and the Washington Post reporting tonight that Iranian State media saying that the Helicopter Crashed resulted from a technical failure undercutting a former top iranian official who earlier said us sanctions were to blame earlier today, the white house was quick to undercut any suggestion and had a role in the crash the United States had no part to play in that crash. And so thats a fact plane and something. Cnns free to korea joint as now how, how important, i mean, how significant is this it is actually pretty significant because there are two things going on. Rockin in israel have been engaging in a fairly dangerous for tat, if you remember, april 1, israel kills and iranian general official of sorts two weeks later, iran launches 300 missiles and drones at this row, then israel does something very moderate in response just essentially took out one radon is fine so thats the International Context and the domestic one is i havent mentioned is the how many the Supreme Leader is 85 years old. Racy was seen as the oddson successor, the guide, the president who died, the only other person people are talking about is how many son much taba that would be very, very unusual. The remember this is a regime that came into power because it believed, did not believe in the dynastic succession that the chavez iran represented for it to become its own way. A dynasty that would be turmoil, i think. So. What would i mean, whats going to happen . Well, first, company has to die. Hes 85 years old, has been ruling forever, but there will begin. Youre going to start getting the factional politics his son is going to make a bid for it. His son was shopper, has never held any office in an inner run before, so it would be a very unusual move. He is untested, but its, a, black box, but the only the only two people who are being discussed, were raisi, the president who just died, and come any sun, how much power does an iranian president has as a pair to the Supreme Leader . I mean, how, how do you, the Supreme Leader set strategy, the, the, the president can execute that strategy. He cant even or so its almost like hes the Secretary Of State to the press. He doesnt but its significant racy the boat, the guys who who died, i had them both on my my program. They are real hardliners. There was a Power Struggle in iran between somewhat more moderate and more hardline factions. But when trump pulled out of the iran deal hell all that happened. The moderates lost out completely. This is now a hardline country verging on a kind of military dictatorship. Everybody. All your options are shades of hardliners and have the demonstrations largely. I mean theyve, been effectively crushed, right . This regime came to power through revolution. It knows how to stay in power and not have a revolution over unseated. Its a very clever mixture of lots of repression a certain amount of patronage, escape valves here and there, things like these elections yeah, that was a heroic movement. But ultimately, its very tough when the regime is willing to use brute force on a massive scale frigidaria. Thank you so much. Appreciate it were nauta, ukraine where heavy fighting continues as russia tries to advance in the eastern kharkiv region, rushes trying to change the shape of the battlefield is this billions in new us aid begin to arrive last week, the pentagon said the first installments included air Defense Artillery rounds, armored vehicles, and antitank weapons. Nick paton walsh has more on what the battle looks like right now from the front lines dusk begins a race to hide before dark its this Drone Units First Night in a new Location Patient twilight a tiny window when perhaps you can set up without the russian drones that are always, always above seeing you as clearly like so much in this fast changing war. Their task was unimaginable when moscow invaded the target is on the Horizon Russia itself into which they fly and plant minds on key roads they wait for dark those lights twinkling over there on the horizon that belgorod, russia how close theyre operating towards russian mainland putins latest offensive towards kharkiv has made the fight personal for artyom is parents live about a fiveminute drive away and fighting for his literal home is unsettling val1 need. Someone to deal for bakhmut use yet to Scholarship Blockbuster for now now for the first of many times, that only defense is to listen for drones now that does not those but im not how. Long all right. Well, lets battles raging nearby may help them goh one noticed they resume any strike could also ignite the two minds that fitting but they here another drone such an escalation over two years into the war to now see ukrainians flying drones of explosive straight into row inside. Sasha watches it cross the border. Most recorded on a hoarder is awesome when theyre busy the. Vps can communication. Last remarkably when russian jamming kicks in, the drone keeps going. Primary changed colon two, and theyre able to pick the signal up again deeper inside russia they spot the target road. They will mind drop both payloads and head back a gps problem means that drone crashed lands, but they have a spare they once elsewhere managed 24 sorties in one night but they have to be spotted only once. And these shells may not pass overhead we leave quick gohlkes might salford first to avoid drones the road littered with antitank defenses, not laid out in time to hinder russias latest advance. And now they have only courage and endogeneity to hold bag for Dark Nick Cow is morale among the soldiers right now is as the russian attacks on kharkiv have increased i think its fair to say a group like that will with were pretty boyd by the task theyre given, feeding, they can actually take the fight. Is it were back into russia to russia, something we didnt even know. Indies happen that they were laying mines to interrupt the ability of russia to get across its own borders. But whats i think in other units, weve been talking to around this area. It isnt particularly great. I think there is a sense of disconcerting that has not been adequate Fortification Put in place in the northern border to hold that russian offensive that took place about a week ago. Back. And also that were going to see a slow arrival potentially of western aid into peoples hands to give them the upper hand. The staggering thing anderson, those to see how drones have completely changed daily life on the front line, pretty much every unit weve been with since weve been here in the last week at some point, weve been told to run for cover to get away from the visibility of russian drones flying overhead. Sometimes they simply dont even know who the drone belongs to when others above them. And its most likely russians trying to spot targets for the intensive Airstrike Tszuj Halftime Bonds or superior artillery. Theyve got more ammunition currently than the ukrainians to bring them to bear on those positions. So it does appear, yes. In recent days that rushes as violence may have slowed their certainly not making huge strides. Deeper into ukraine that perhaps they thought they might be able to but ultimately it is an uphill task certainly, and its one that may get tougher in the weeks ahead because at this stage, there are thoughts russia may start probing and other parts around the front line rather than necessarily focusing on the areas is already hit here north of archi vanish behind me, just weve heard explosions over the night, but its desolate, it utterly silent lights off, harkey, bracing frankly, for any potential russian attacks tonight, madison, nick paton walsh. Thank you. I appreciate you being there and be careful is still ahead. Billard stops by to talk trump biden, and more than from his new book, he dives into commentaries. Hes made over the last 20 years as host of hbos realtime. Well be right back organic soil from miracle grow has grown meat the best garden i have ever had good soil and you get a good result look at that. The broccoli was fantastic. 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The book is really good. Youve described it as being like the bible. You can pick it up. It just read it. Im not sure a lot of people will agree, but i guess what you mean because you can im just saying you should put it by your bets on the nightstand and read a few passages each night because but its basically the, your commentaries from the last 20 years. Yes. We edited and kind of read exact. Imagine i wanted to people kept saying to me, you know, these editorials you do at the end of the show when it is what i worked the hardest on there. I mean, they really hold up, they really do. I appreciate you saying that, but it is true. I went through them luck not all of them do or did and thats why i spent all those months when we were on strike going through all of them, pick the creme dela crown reef. I got to say i was skeptical when i hear is like, oh, 20 years of stuff. Yeah, its really when youre dealing, when you have 20 years of stuff, you can be very choosy and just take real great stuff and put it together. I put it in chapters and made it makes sense by topic. And it is kind of like an encyclopedia of every, gosh darn good thing i ever sat trump. It seems to hate you get not blame him. Im im you early on. He stood me in 2013. Yes. Thats about the orangutan thing, which is a ridiculous law. Would people think it was some, you said Something Like, well, they think its a defamation. It was not a defamation lawsuit. It was way stupider than that. And Michael Cohen was the one who delivered the letter, but i had he was offering obama 5 million no. Actually, to produce his College Records because hes a racist and he thinks its suspicious of black man went to college, apparently. Okay. So i offered him 5 if he could prove he was not the son of an orangutan because we showed the picture of an orange hair to rank attack and the coloring is exactly alike it does look like theyre related, but of course they couldnt be. But he came into court and demanded the 5 million. Because he produced his Birth Certificate proving he was not. In fact, and Michael Cohen is the one who delivered well, he wasnt a lawyer on the letter, but the letter is hysterical. I mean, that my client is not this really can you believe that this is the seems like its going to be the only trial that will go before the election. Well, ive been moaning and railing about that on my show because i mean, i tore Merrick Garland a new one a couple of weeks ago because i think the democrats blue it as they always do with this kind of stuff because theyve had for years what was all the delay about what why are we coming to the end . Of course, theyre going to try to run out the clock and they did. And so if this is the only one, the one thats the one they probably shouldnt have brought anyway, or if they did, it was really a election violation election Law Violation trial that should have been tried nationally on a federal level. And it wound up to be falsifying Business Records on the state level. So its already in the wrong court. And why didnt garland bring this earlier federally or why arent any of these being wrapped up in four years . Its just so ridiculously right . Book about how you this documentary religious and that youd said in the book that atheists often come up to you and say that theyve become atheists after seeing this, but that no one, no supporter of trump comes up to, you know, has ever come up to you and said, im no longer im off the trump train because of what you said or vice versa. I cannot change peoples. This is why, i mean, i really feel like one of the themes of the book is add in my show all the time. Im just saying, you can hate trump, you cant hate everybody who likes him. Its half the country. Okay. And i mean, look, no one was hard to run trump or will be harder on trump. And i think i was out front on predicting he was not going to leave office but you cant change peoples minds like that. Sometimes they just like a guy. And i also concede that there are so much, so much goofy and is also on the left that i do understand why people go. Yet trump is crazy and we dont really like him, but you know what, what youre selling scares me even more well, whats and thats what people i think have to understand is to see both those sides. Whats entering to me is you are very much, and youve talked about this on your show you call itself in n14, me, and youre going to see yourselves in the middle but essentially, because the right quotes you when you say stuff that antiwar, look at gourds and the left, yes decries you and then the left likes you when you Say Something bad about trump. And this is one of our big problems, is that were all in our bubbles we are all in our media bubbles. And so many people just want to hear coming back to them what they already believe in an echo chamber. Most america is in the center. But you dont see that in the media right . I mean, absolutely pertains to this network this network is trying to establish. Now, i think again, that we are the center where you can be either side. And of course that was very hard to maintain during trumps presidency because he does things that are so out of the realm. They are not normal. And so when you criticize him, you sound like youre on the left its a very hard thing to find, but thats what im always trying to find that place. And its not that were ever going to be agreeing on things. It just that we cant hate each other. I am tired of the hate. I dont want to hate half this country and i dont hate me for this country. Were going to take a quick break lot more with bill maher in a moment. 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Bill went on to say america is like a prison now where the inmates think they need to join one of the gangs to survive and we dare not walk on the wrong side of the yard belong or is back . It is. I mean, the polarization is so real and very how does that chain has you look back in the 70s, america was very polarized. There was political bombings would, so i dont know if its the same level or just a different form. Well, i think the difference is well, fox news came along in the 90s that changed everything that msnbc obviously became a mirror of that in a way. I mean, i think theyre much more realistic about what they talk about and i usually agree with them more, but same thing is that youre youre only youre only giving one side of the story, but frustrates me the most about the media is that whatever i hear, i dont fully trust, its not that i dont believe what youre saying, but i dont think youre giving me the whole story before if we go even further back than that, i think even before social media people just did not use to talk about politics 24 7 to everyone they ever met. First of all, you earn in touch with everyone you ever bet, but you are on facebook down. So facebook became a place where youre arguing with your eighth grade lab partner, kobe but ivermectin nurses you know, just so everybodys ginned up all the time. And so theres this level of hate. I mean, that you are quoting from that last chapter, which is called divorce and there are lots of people who talk about this divorce, you know, america should get a divorce or maybe we should separate into different states. This first, lets not possible. Second, votes not desirable. Our strength was always, i thought that our diversity that were different and im always preaching to people that everyones like you get over yourself, people grow up in different parts of the country with very different values and you cant own them are destroy them and theyre not going anywhere then itself deporting. You can win every election, half the country. The losers are still going to be here and they cant have them see thing. Were always see anything about each other it does seem like the many folks not i dont know if theres many, but certainly the loudest folks who get into congress run on. Not necessarily to make deals and to actually get stuff done. Its to own the libs are own the trump eons and its not necessarily about any kind of moderation is a nasty word, any kind, of making an ma will deal. I mean, to me, youre presenting more or false equivalency on this issue than i would. The democrats in congress and certainly dont agree with all of them. And there are some that are way out there once any names the squad that i dont agree with a lot of stuff. But theyre generally still a same party of our type of government are parliament, if you will, the republican partys unrecognizable, especially the congress people. Theyre just there to do form into nonsense. Theyre there to like, i burnish their credentials to get a show on fox news or the border deal and just people like Marjorie Taylor greene and just real mental midgets that who they are not interested in legislation. They dont know how it works. You really interested in improving the country. They are just interested, as you said, in owning the libs, making liberals cry, theyre tears and getting revenge, and also their cultish, their natural born cultish. I was saying this on my shelf friday night and somebody objected, but its true im sorry. The old line was always democrats fall in love, republicans fall in line and they always said they only, they fall in line behind their candidate. And now they found a candidate who is a cult leader. So that quality of falling in line very dangerous now, because its sort of in their nature well, i mean, you pointed this out the other day. I was obsessed with this the other day in court and i saw it on your show you have to dress identical now to trump. I mean, thats just weirdest thing to me. Its just the most clear is the clearest representation of just the ridiculousness theyre all wearing these red ties. I mean, there was a shot outside the courtroom were literally theyre all were in the same thing. Always a good sign when the rightwing parties starts wearing a uniform thats like i have been using this phrase, slow moving coup since before trump was elected the first time before he even got elected, i said this is a slowmoving goo this is just, i watch these dominos fall onebyone. The signs of a country that is moving into a different realm. And its happened in many other countries, famously rome was a republic and then it was a dictatorship under Julius Caesar and i see this American Caesar slowly taking his down this road. Thats the first thing i thought when i saw the red tie and the same theyre wearing the trump uniform. That this is a another rubicon were crossing. Bill maher graduations on the book. The book is just comedian said will shock you it is out now coming up next, remembering a good friend of mine and many others here, its at cnn and three, 60 will bureau at that youre calling some people find theres at an early age others later in life no matter when you find it. 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