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Im sorry that does it for this Special Edition of ac30 60, the Karen Mcdougal, the interview. The news continues on cnn. Have a good night. Straight from the source tonight i am brand new reporting on a tense divide over who might take the stand next at trumps trial. My lead source has extraordinary inside first as a top doj a prosecutor, now as one of americas go to attorneys for highprofile clients, most recently, Britney Spears and critics tonight are calling for a Supreme Court justice to step aside from trumps appeal for immunity after justice, a alito admits a symbol of socalled stop the steal was flying in front of his house just days after june murray six, he says his wife is to blame for the upside down American Flag. Theres also new fallout tonight from a shocking cnn exclusive Sean Diddy Combs caught on camera violently assaulting his then girlfriend, a beating that he previously denied. Did his former assistant will join me live. Im Kaitlin Collins and this is the source fresh off of a cliff hanger in the courtroom, donald trump is back on the campaign trail tonight. Hes about to speak at a republican dinner in minnesota, were monitoring that for any news. But the former president flew there from florida after attending his youngest son, barrons high school graduation. Thats the reason he was not here in manhattan in court today after justice juan, were sean granted and off days so he could do so but shortly before the judge, a georgia court, he made clear that the end of this whole trial could be quite close as we hear at the source and been digging into what or i guess i should rather say who could trigger the next dramatic moment in court . Im lauren tonight that theres an internal divide among trumps legal team over whether or not to call Robert Costello as a witness . That would be Michael Cohens onetime Legal Advisor that he says not his lawyer, who claimed publicly that Michael Cohen is lying about key claims that he made about donald trump on the stand that decision which were told is still up in the air as of tonight and remains to be seen what they will ultimately decide comes after we sold trumps attorney has lead attorney here, todd blanche, have cohen on the ropes trying to chip away at his credibility inside the courtroom essentially Painting Cohen is a liar that the jury should trust ive also learned about a notable spectator at the trump trial yesterday, not in the rows of republicans who were up near the Defense Table that we saw later on television defending him. But one of trumps codefendants actually in the State Of Georgia, Jeffrey Clark was seen towards the back of the room yes. That Jeffrey Clark, the Senior Justice Department official, who trump nearly made Attorney General, the back off after others starting to resign in protest of that decision. The. One who wanted to leverage the agency and its powers to help trump overturn the Election Results in 2020 as far as clark goes, in this case, he is just part of the sayyed not really a main focus of the case, but the real show down at the heart of this, the alleged crime is a Campaign Finance violation and a cover up my lead source tonight has been called one of the sharpest attorneys ever at the justice department. He was a prosecutor on the dojs Campaign Finance taskforce, and hes currently in high demand as one of americas top attorneys representing clients, including steven spielberg, sean penn, most recently, Britney Spears at the rosengart. Welcome to the source as your first time here, its great to have you i mean, i could ask you a lot of questions about those three clients, but on this case at hand as it stands right now, weve heard your thoughts on this. What do you make of where it is at this moment, i called this a few weeks ago or it seems like months ago before the case started, are lawyers case and what he meant by that is a case that really and it may sound odd but somewhat unusual in a criminal case comes down to who is a better lawyer. And i say that because the government really should win every case that a charges and as a bonus case, it comes down to preparation, skills in the courtroom and thats the difference maker, right now, given what we saw last week, i think its a toss up, whereas going into any case, it really should generally be a shooin for the government. And what at what point did it become a toss up in your view because we saw the first day that todd blanche had a chance to crossexamining Michael Cohen. He didnt really land any kind of knockout blows. It is it is credibility. Michael cohen stayed very, even temporary or even mass yesterday was heating up where was that Turning Point for you . I think it was a close call in oman record, although we dont like to make predictions going into the case. But after wednesday afternoon, i think its a toss up and i think the defense has momentum going in that can change in a heartbeat. Thats the interesting thing about trials. Its going to be very interesting to see how the prosecution and theyve got a weekend to deal with it, will rehabilitate Michael Cohen, but theyve got their work cut out for them. If you are on the prosecution, i mean, what would you do when you get the chance to have Michael Cohen to read question him after after trumps team has done with it. Well, the first thing i do is i would shed him and i would shed myself. And what i mean by that is the government was caught unaware. And thats something that never should happen either. Michael cohen should have told them about the Text Messages even though its a long time ago. Or they should have through their preparation. And one of the things about being the government to my point earlier is that youve got all the time in the world prior to a case in determining whether to charge a case. And when to charge a case. And how to charge a case, to know everything. And they were caught unaware. Now, what will they do to rehabilitate Michael Cohen . And their own credibility with the jury, which is essential. Theyre going to have to come up with an explanation. I think Michael Cohen hinted at what the explanation is going to be. I thought it was weak but it was well, we talked about other things during that conversation as well, that 96 second conversation. So its going to have to be Something Like that. Or maybe theres another surprise. Yeah. And the question is, does the jury find that credible than 96 seconds you could have both of those conversations, but i mean, this is the Michael Cohen moment was certainly a standout moment, but this is bigger than that. And you know, i keep the knee back to the other testimony that we heard for david pecker from hope hicks, everyone who tie this back to the election, saying this is very clearly a david pecker said they didnt want the story from Karen Mcdougal to embarrass trump or hurt his election chances. Hope hicks said that trumps opinion in the white house was better to deal with the Stormy Daniels story after he was president , then then before i mean, do you think the prosecution has done enough to prove the Campaign Finance violation by hate to sound too much like a lawyer. But the answer is it depends potentially, yes, in part because the Campaign Finance statute, unlike very specific and somewhat byzantine federal campaign statutes, the type that i used to prosecute is very vague here, and ive got a note just so i get it correctly. New york election law 17152 prohibits conspiracies to promote the election of a specific canada and today through unlawful means. I dont know sitting here today exactly what that means. Its broad, however, and thats very good because it gives the government the opportunity to argue that what happens here, falls within the scope of that statute weve been hearing this repeated refrain from the republicans who have been coming and hanging out in those first two rows behind, behind the Defense Table about that, they dont think that theyve theyve made that theyve met their burden, that theyve theyve proven this case Just A Little Bit is my Attorney General said that well, lets i want everyone to listen to it because we put them several of them together. It starts with the Attorney General from my home state commenting on this there is no basis for this crime. Here. You have a madeup madeup charge. This is a madeup crime. What is the fine . Because everyone in this court has not been informed of what the prime end i think everyones kind of walking away there to floored boebert restart. Im not sure what happened there, but is the prosecution meeting their burden here, do they need to spell out that specific statute for the jury, which includes two attorneys. I should note. I think that he do because alluding to something that you said before the government, really all it has is its credibility. The judge looks to the government for credibility. The jury looks to the government for credibility. Theyre held to a higher standard and what the government must do, in my opinion, what they failed to do so far is take ownership of their problems, to take ownership of complex legal issues, to take ownership of credibility issues with witnesses, which i think they fell to do as we saw on wednesday with Michael Cohen. So i think its very important for the government not to run away from their problems including their Circuitous Legal Theory that they put together here. But rather take ownership of it and its now more important than ever, because i thought i think theyve lost credibility with the jury based upon what happens on wednesday that do you really think that one moment undermined the other days where you would see david pecker get up there, keith davidson, they had some even the Jeff Mcconney from the Trump Organization had some strong tests. I dont think that that one moment will overwhelm the rest of the case. But what and again, well see what happens over the next couple of days. The government now has time to regroup. But what does happen again, alluding to something you said theres a zeitgeist in any case and theres a rhythm to any case. And if the government loses faith, excuse me, if the jury loses faith in the government and loses faith and Michael Cohen, its a big problem for the government that has an overlapping effect. And it could control what the jury thinks about the rest of the governments case at the end of the day juries, often i think do the right thing. And in doing the right thing, they determine who do we like, whos most credible . The question is, has the government lost too much of its credibility to come back and win the case. We also have two other friends just hitting youre listening to this fascinating conversation. Cnn senior legal analyst and former assistant us attorney elie conic, also retired new york state Supreme Court justice joel kahn visor, elie what do you make of what his view of where the stands and what the prosecution needs to do in the next few days. So i agree with matthew. I think the moment we saw with Michael Cohen was devastating and i think its really hard to recover from that. I mean, as matthew said, your credibility is everything in one moment like that one moment where the jury is going to conclude either this witness was lying or was sorely mistaken that is devastating. And i think juries will make a decision based on one moment like that, that sticks in peoples head. Think about president ial debates. How many president ial debates through history do we remember for one moment. I think juries tend to be the same one visceral moment of collapse like that, i think can haunt you through to the verdict. Does that true, judge, is what youve seen. I think generally are both correct. I think the difference here is that everyone knew going in everyone in that room knew going in who Michael Cohen was the bar was very low. They knew him to be a liar, a convicted liar it says and testified to that has every right, not only that they probably read about it, everyone knew about it doesnt mean its disqualify, disqualify someone from being on the jury. So i think in this case, under these facts, its slightly different, but i do think that people need to, through their redirect examination, do some of the heavy lifting here to explain it. If they can, we document what i mean, theres still a question right now from what ive heard from both sides of whether or not theyre going to call this other witness for the defense, Robert Costello he is someone who the jury saw texts from castello to michael color, basically saying after Michael Cohen is very clearly and legal trouble, i can be your back channel to donald trump. Hire me as your attorney and through rudy giuliani, well talk to trump pill protect us, stay strong. All of these comments theres a divide though, because it kind of feels like a rabbit hole to bring him in at this point in the case i mean, whats your outside of you i agree with that. Im generally conservative. I dont think that decision is going to be left up entirely to the Trump Defense team. I think trumps going to make the decision. And i think what weve seen from him is more is more as a trial lawyer, i think elie would agree want to be generally conservative the defense has momentum now, as a result of what they did to Michael Cohen, its hard for me to predict what theyll do maybe they think castello would be icing on the cake. Hes a forceful person, is a former federal prosecutor as well on the other hand, they might want to just lay low and let Michael Cohen be the last witness theyve heard from. Yeah. I mean, the prosecution has Robert Costello emails that sounded a little tony soprano like when you read them, when you were reading them in court, i binoculars. I was looking at them and he was he kept saying, you my friends client, referring to donald trump. Right. Let me know if you have a message for my friend. Im a hard no, im calling Robert Costello if im on the defense team here, why you dont get enough out of him. First of all, if hes going to say what rudy wanted a pardon . And i mean, excuse me. Well, Michael Cohen wanted to pardon. Thats already come up. We already have evidence to that. If hes going to undermine Michael Cohen and other ways, we have emails between them already calling Robert Costello gives you very little upside as the defense and a lot of downside. The last thing you want is to have Robert Costello get blown up the way Michael Cohen just got blown up thats the last thing the jury takes, and theres no reason to do it. Its i think if they call them, its reckless and theyre asking for trouble. The judge has also been a singular point of focus for donald trump here. I mean, he rails against him and calls him corrupt every single day. There was seen and learned tonight that this ethics complaint that was filed against him because he donated 35 to a group that tries to help like democrats. It was dismissed against him last summer, and it was dismisses whats called a caution. Can you just what does that whats the significance of that . Well, ill say a few things. One is 35, he shouldnt have done it like we can all agree with that 35, however, is to minimise there is a new York State Commission on judicial conduct that reviews complaints of judges and ensures that any complaints are investigated where they should be and then theres action taken. I used to be a member of that commission and the lowest level that they can the lowest sentence if you would, is a caution which is what he got essentially dont do it. And that came on the heels of the ethics and ethics advisory committee. Advisory opinion, which said this is anything less than 50 is not anything we need to worry about. And it also came on the heels of professor Stephen Gillers saying theres no reason to recuse yourself here. So yes, youre right. Donald trump goes in front of the cameras every day and he rails against the only person whos not covered in the gag order that he can who is the judge . But think about it for a minute. The judge has issued dozens and dozens of opinions decisions, rulings. This is what hes earning about the 35 Charge Mission is headed down the middle fairly throughout. Yeah. So hes picking on the one thing thats not how trump sees it or frames it or certainly would not acknowledge a grade. But what how does that could that obviously trumps legal team does not want him doing that publicly out there every single day if its trumps convicted here, which we dont know. This is the judge will sentence him. Thats right. Thats right. I mean, as an attorney, is that like your Worst Nightmare for a client it absolutely is. But theres only so much control both that they have. Its certainly is your Worst Nightmare. And the really intriguing question is going to be whether or not he testifies in this case. I mean, to me, thats the backroom discussion. Thats the ultimate discussion. His lawyers do not want him to testify. Will they get to make that ultimate decision . No. Its up to him. Elie, i have to ask you about Jeffrey Clark being and we saw carter page. There are other allies, rudy giuliani, son has been coming in but geoff clark being there and someones stressed to me, he was not with the trump entourage. He was there on a zona as a free agent. That really caught my attention. I didnt realize he was there until i just saw while the open to the shove, lets just remember who Jeffrey Clark is in the whole scheme of things. This is the guy who was a very high ranking doj official under donald trump in the closing days when trump was trying to steal the election, Jeffrey Clark was trying to work a back channel and get himself installed as the temporary Attorney General. And what he did is he drafted a memo that was false fraudulent. He drafted a memo that dot he wanted doj to send to the State Of Georgia saying, we have detected potentially significant Election Fraud in georgia. He wanted to send it to the Georgia Legislature and say, you need to convene a convention to reconsider your electors. That is an outrage and i will say if donald trump becomes president Heaven Help Us if he makes Jeffrey Clark, the Attorney General, i dont think he ever gets confirmed by the senate, but i mean, this guy, hes under indictment now in georgia, Jeffrey Clark, and for good reasons pleaded not guilty, but we certainly could see him in a Second Trump Term will see elie honig, judge as are met the Rosengart Great to have you joining us up next here tonight we have new backlash that is coming after the discovery of what we just mentioned at the top of the show, that stop the steal symbol that is widely recognized by people who participated in january this time it was seen outside the home of a Supreme Court Justice Samuel alito, new calls are coming tonight for alito to recuse himself from two key january 6 related decisions. 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I want to warn you because were going to show you this video and it is disturbing at the beginning, you see ventura and the Hotel Elevator barefoot trying to put our shoes on and then around the corner here in the video is shes got her bags with her comes diddy holding a towel around his waist, running down the hall he grabs her by the back of her neck and he throws her to the floor, Still Holding his towel closed with the on the other hand, as he turns to kick her seconds after that where you see him grabbing her bags here on the hallway. Hes seen here sitting down and it chair grabbing an object of the table. We believe its a vase and throwing it at her this incident is important and it matches the allegations that are in a now settled lawsuit that she filed against him last november allegations about what happened at these since closed Intercontinental Hotel and los angeles diddys Attorney Says that there was no admission of wrongdoing as a result of that settlement. And i should note that he has previously be a manly denied these allegations, but after cnn obtained this video and published it today, venturas now husband appeared to respond on instagram posting a message addressed to the women and children on their he says in part, and im quoting him now, men who hit women arent men. Menu enable it and protect those people arent men to all the survivors. Your stories are real and people believe you to the abusers. Youre done. Youre not safe anymore. Youre not protected anymore. And the men by your side or just is weak i want to bring someone in who knows did he personally susie siegel was his former assistant during the time that he began dating cassie ventura, the singer. And i should note, you became his assistant as a part of the reality show to work for him . I did. Everyone remembers watching that. I mean, to first just i mean, what is it like for you to see this video that came out today i felt sick and i felt violently angry and i felt like im sure a lot of men and women feel looking at that that video that its so disturbing that the video doesnt lie i mean, when i watched it, what stood out to me initially after elizabeth wagmeister, god it was shes barefoot in the beginning and its like she was so quickly running out of the room to get to the elevator that she didnt even put her shoes on yet. I mean, thats terror. Thats what you would do if there was a fire, right . You would just run out, grabbed what you could. So i can only imagine looking at that. The fear that she felt she had to get out of that room and bear fee in order to be safe or protect yourself you worked closely with him . I did. I was as assistant between 2008 and 2009 and they were dating when i worked for and what was what was he like and what were what did you observe about them at this time . I observed nothing that would lead me to believe or there was never scuttle bud about it. I never saw him speak harshly to her or be abusive toward her or anything like that. I wrote in the limos with them. I went to parties with them i guess what i would say is even though i never saw anything that could corroborate whats in that lawsuit and what we just saw there was not one cell in my body that was surprised why not you know, its going to sound a little bit weird because i dont have any facts right. And nobody is going to call me to testify. But i would say that its womans intuition i would say that i was around him a lot and i got a feeling for who he was. I didnt see anything that could get him in trouble, but i think that the Power Dynamic in a situation like that, especially her at the beginning of her career, so young and beautiful and talented and she hooked herself or became involved with somebody who had so much power. And i felt that working for him. Im sure the whole team felt that and thats right. Hes a mogul. So of course hes the big boss but i think that you could imagine certainly in my interactions with him, you could imagine how that would dissipate and sort of seep into every aspect of his life. And especially his relationships. Yeah. Because she was 19, i believe, and he was 37 when they first began to imagine how that would be. Then hes rich and only is he rich, but he controls your career. And all you want in your career, right . Is shes an artist. She wants to make music. She really was an artist, is an artist. And now all of a sudden, shes with somebody who could make that happen for her and it doesnt happen. So you dont you dont it wasnt anything specific. You just youve got a strange, uncomfortable feeling from high mean, it was i think its more to do with the way that he treated people. Again, nobody was mistreated. That i saw i didnt feel mistreated, but it was very clear to me. Again, this is intuition, right . This is what we pick up as women and humans are smart and have been around he just didnt see your humanity when he looked at you, i felt it felt very obvious to me that everyone was just sort of there to be used the teeth and get the most out of you for example, i went to go work for him pretty soon. In your person, it was sort of an odd thing. I have a fancy masters degree, whatever who cares but it was you know, he wanted to get me for as cheaply as he could. And most people would just dive in and take it right . Because you think that youre gonna get something by working for him and i wonder how that video, which he denied these allegations and those allegations turn the lawsuit. I mean, hes facing five other civil lawsuits that are accusing him of a range of Sexual Misconduct and illegal activity. Everyone remembers the raid at his homes in miami and new york where it was part of the department of Homeland Security that deals with human trafficking. And actually, note, he isnt been charged with, and of course, theyve maintained that he hasnt done anything wrong but it must be really strange to see what we see now in Black And White on that video. And to be someone who had worked for him, well, there you go. Thats how you know that your intuition is, right . Right. I didnt see that proof. Obviously i saw with the rest of america today. But when i saw it, i knew that that was something that he could be capable hello. And hes hes a genius, hes brilliant. Hes One Of The Best minds ive ever been around but i think when the Power Differential is so awful and you just can get away with anything that you want susan siegel. Thank you for coming on to talk about that. Thank you so much. And i should note that the grammy awardwinning songwriter and one of caseous close friends, tiffany red, is going to be on cnn and Just A Little Bit, shell be joining laura codes tonight and 11 00. 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Martin, sundays At Night On Cnn denied Top Democrats are calling for the Supreme Court Justice Samuel alito to recuse himself from all cases involving the 2020 election including that major decision that we are waiting for right now. On whether and to what scope for President Donald Trump has Immunity Seton has now confirmed this. New york times reporting that this upside down American Flag flew outside of the justices home just 11 days after january 6, in New York Times was first to report this story to explain why this is so notable. And if you dont know why, here it is an upside flag and American Flag is a symbol that is popular with trumps supporters. And is unknown symbol of 2020 election denialism. We saw a lot of it in those days after the election in 2020 leading up to january six. Today after the New York Times published this story, Justice Alito did not deny it in a statement, but told fox news that his wife was responsible. He said that Martha Anna Alito did this over a disagreement with a neighbor who had displayed an f trumps sign its remarkable here tonight to talk about all of this is former new york city mayor built of lazio soon to be working with the biden campaign. I should note former Deputy Assistant to President Biden Jamal Simmons and cnns political commentator, s. E. Cupp and jamal. I mean even if you take a bit his word, the justice year that this was his wife do is wifes doing after she got into an altercation with a neighbor that was ugly that they said things to her, and then she did this i mean, hes not denying knowing the symbolism of what that meant, especially in such a fraught time. Hes not whats disturbing about all of this and you can include whats happening. Justice thomas, as well its so obvious that they are being conflict. They have conflicts here and we need to find a way to have a Supreme Court that people have confidence in im afraid that in the trump era, this is just becoming the norm of how we do business. Or all of the things that we took us sort of customs no longer apply. If members of congress who are calling each other names and talking about their appearance, youve got Supreme Court justices that are hanging out with donors. And before they have rules buildings to make. And then you have a Supreme Court justice whose wife is final flag upside down in a way that im sure every conservatives, certainly every conservative jurist knows this is an appropriate, yeah, i mean, his statement, hes not denying that this happened and hes not even kind of disavowing the message that that could have sent, even if it is truly over a the neighbor. This goes beyond any partisan consideration. This is the most important legal body on earth. The Supreme Court, the United States of america. And you cannot have a semblance of conflict there. And i think actually democrats and republicans who have been on that court would agree on that over the generations. So now we have two justices who have overt conflicts and meanwhile, the court is trying to resist the kind of ethics rules that everyone else in government has to live by. It makes no sense. And i actually wanted to remind everyone the American Public does not believe that election was stolen almost twothirds of americans believe that the 2020 election was the legitimate election, obviously was. So i have a Supreme Court justice taking a political stand right there. Unacceptable, unprecedented out of step with the American People. And then acting like thats not a conflict. It is what would be great if he voluntarily recused himself and showed an honorable approach that might give people some faith and our institutions again, well, and i think when you mentioned clarence thomas, i mean, you think of clarence thomas, his wife, ginni thomas, and her efforts and support of people around january 6 . Yes. First of all, that picture makes me nauseous. Generally. Generally the upsidedown flag has serious meeting both before and after january 6, and its literally makes me nauseous to see it on the lawn of a Supreme Court justice is deeply, deeply troubling. And the point is that she knows better. Hes been adjusted for 18 years. She knows better than to do that. So does ginni thomas. They all know better. So to say im a little alito know better than to abide this so thats troubling. But i think the problem here is people are going to hell. Why is everything trumps fault . But you have to trace this to trump because that flag was flying for trump because trump said that the election was stolen. Trump has cheapens so many of our institutions, including the meaning of democracy. Hes made it cheap hes cheapens the importance of our legislative body and congress thats why people are acting like this in congress, because its cheap now it doesnt have the meaning or value that it did before because he doesnt care about any of it. Its all for his use. Like its a monopoly board game. If it lines is pockets and if it gets out of his way as hes trying to get power than its fine anything else is useless to him and i think thats had a big effect, not Just Congress democracy, the Supreme Court, i mean, the ripple effects we are seeing them daily that i think the two decisions that are coming there before the court are massive and theyre both related to january 6 to a degree, obviously, trumps immunity case, but also the other case that is about what the january 6, its riders can be charged with in an obstruction statute. I mean, these are consequential decisions that Justice Alito, as of this moment, is part of making these are consequential decisions. Theyre the most consequential because the question is not just about an individual moment. The question is, are we going to have a country where we are governed by rules customs, law . Pause that. We all can agree upon. And when if we have arguments, those arguments are going to occur in a way that doesnt lead people to throttling each other on the streets, right . Is opposed to be the point of politics. Listen, im, ive been some rough and tumble campaigns. I have lobbed grenades over the wall rhetorically at people, and ive had them shot back at me. But i think we all know at the end of the de that when its over, we say congratulations to the winner. We shake hands and we go out, maybe even have a beer together down the road and we fight another day. You look what were seeing now is an extremism and its not in concert with where the American People are. I think this is the big, big story here. When a Supreme Court justice is calling into question the legitimacy of an american election. And again, were the vast majority of americans say, wait man. Now, that was legitimate electron joe biden won by over 7 million votes what that sets up is a new recognition among the American People of what they care about. Now, i think in the end, im a progressive, im a democrat, but i think there is a moderate core to the American Experience to the american political reality. And people look at Something Like this and they say thats so far outside the mainstream. And i actually think this is going to hurt republicans heard of money, lets counter, because i agree with you. Obviously, i agree with you completely however, i dont think voters care about this, right . When theyre going home and they cant afford gas and groceries, and they havent gotten a raise in five years. Theres other stuff this isnt really the stuff theyre thinking about i think theres a high level argument about about the threat to democracy that we can have because were comfortable, okay. Were not worried about our paychecks, right . I think for a lot of other people, this is kind of like noise you know, the, the sort of the stuff of the elites because we have the, we have the liberty of worrying about my child is worrisome, but i dont think its a voter issued a challenge to distinguished gentlewoman . Yes, you may. Whos whos a wonderful commentator and knowledgeable . And i would only say this, it brings it back to the Supreme Court. Yes, Supreme Court equals to decision to take away a womans right to choose. Yes. So i would say i so high. Well, not only that, im saying i think the signal here is the Supreme Court as an extremist reality that has done something unprecedented in american history, taken away a fundamental right and this election will hinge large on the questionable when tried, choose, i fundamentally believe that weve seen that in 22, just a great yeah. I mean, they make medical decisions. 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This hearing was a about Attorney General merrick garland, but it quickly devolved into personal attacks, deeply personal attacks with congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene criticizing congresswoman jasmine crocketts appearance prompting a response congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez do you know what were here for . Were here you know what youre here for. Well, you dont want to talk about i think your fake eyelashes are messing up order. Mr. Chairman and gag order of your midi order. I would like to move to take down ms greenes words that. Is absolutely unacceptable. How dare you have another person . Are your feelings, her words down . Oh, oh, girl, baby, girl. Oh, really dont even play baby girl and i dont think youre going to move and were going to take your words down secondary motion crockett is responding saying that congressman green is a racist and shes also facing her own backlash for this comment is crockett. Im just curious just to better understand your ruling, if someone on this committee then starts talking about somebodys bleach blonde, bad built butch body that would not be engaging in personalities, correct. What now chairman i make i make a motion to strike those i dont think thats im hannah Fine Clarification on what you said were not going to were not gonna do this like you guys earlier literally get calm down. Calm. No. No, no. Because proceed youre not recognized you with your yellow im going down. You please call me to calm down you are Out Of Control as if verified those are the esteemed rooms of capitol hill. All those people are paid for by your Taxpayer Dollars and yes, that is what happened in a House Oversight hearing last night my next source tonight was in that chaotic room, democratic congressman Shantel Brown join does in congress im just glad that you didnt have any insulin lets lobbed at you and you were taught part of this, but can you just what was even like to be in that room last night we it was it was embarrassing. It was mad our finest hour. But i think its important that we talk about how we got there the fact of the matter is we had that late night hearing because my republican colleagues thought it better use of their time during the day when we would be conducting regular business at 11 00, which 11 00 a. M. Which was the time the meeting was originally scheduled. They thought their time would be better served in the Courtroom Auditioning to be trumps number two. And so we had to delay the peoples business because republicans want to be entertaining the master manipulator of maralago, instead of doing real work. So when we have extremis and the most extreme member of the committee, like the congresswoman of georgia launching personal attacks. This is the result that you get they have no agenda. They have no policies, they have no plans. They truly are the party of no. What we witnessed yesterday was complete distraction of them showing that they have no ability to govern as a result, we are the most Unproductive Congress in this nations history because they dont have a plan and because they dont have a plan, they were rather hurl insults, then tried to discuss policy. I mean goh what youre talking about for people who werent watching yesterday, a bunch of the house there was i remember as were up here in new york and were in the courtroom. I saw them with former president trump. So they pushed the timing back. I mean, so it wasnt night congressman raskin, the Ranking Member of the democrat Ranking Member on this committee, that you saw there looking justice confused. But as Congressman Comer did, german gomer, he seemed to suggest that it was suggested to him that alcohol was involved. I mean, did you see any drinking or did you hear that as well it was not the most professional environment that we were in. I cannot speak to what were in the individuals cups, plastic cups were in the Committee Chamber and it was an unusual sight, but i think its also important to recognized for folks at home who did not who do not know this. This was a threehour committee. And what you witness was a snippet, a well edited Put Together Snippet of some of the most i guess, low lights of the meeting and the fact that many the fact that this Committee Meeting was even held was really pointless partisan, petty, and the fact that they are trying to continuously desperately find reasons to impeach the president or members of his cabinet is again, an effort to distract from their inability to govern i was proud, to launch. Go ahead. Can we just plastic cups . Is that normal two people normally bring in like like solo cups to the room it is nonnormal, caitlin, i think that the people would expect better in the highest offices of land, just to reminder to the folks back home the congress is a coequal branch of government to the president and the Supreme Court, right . And if the president acted like this, you know what we would call it donald trump. And thats the problem that we are experiencing right now. He has emboldened his maga minions to do what they are doing, which is insult people, tried to embarrass them and distract from their ability to really not be able to put forth any policies that benefit the public. When i came back home, one of the top questions that i got going through the air i hope you arent on that committee. Are you on that committee where you there that is not what congress represents. And so when again remember does what she does. This is what we get. So when you put people in positions of power and they dont really know how to exit restraint. It is going to turn into chaos and confusion. She has been successful. If the queen of chaos and confusion, well, and it takes away from from even what they were trying to to do, even though you described it as pointless. But i mean its remarkable. Congress of they for caveat to say plastic cubs here tonight on friday are glad to have you and then, happy birthday, mom thats so cute, happy birthday to your mom. 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