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And donald trump, apparently agreeing on something most ben calendar that neither biden shen and thats unprecedented in modern history. It all came together quite suddenly, i would say on wednesday morning following this challenge from biden and trump lost two debates to me in 20 0. 20 that he hadnt shown up for debate. Now hes acting like he wants to debate me again. Well, make my day pal. Ill even do it twice. So lets pick the dates i hear youre free on wednesdays oh, okay. The former president did not take long to rsvp. He hit back with this job posting. Its my great honor to accept the cnn debate against crooked joe biden, the worst president in the history of the United States and a true threat to democracy on june 27th likewise, i accept the abc debate against cricket job on september 10 thank you djt. It is rather interesting that the Biden Campaign insisted that one of the rules is going to be they will cut the microphones to eliminate interruptions if someone talks too long so that they can avoid scenes like this one the question, the question, justice left, would you who is all right. Had our panelists year former federal prosecutor, Elliot Williams, jonah goldberg, the cofounder and editor in chief, the dispatch, and mark mckinnon, former adviser to George W Bush and to john mccain. Welcome to all of you good morning. Mark. Youve written this about these debates. You say, quote, i view that challenged throat down as a classic Master Stroke for biden. I know from experience, the most important asset of candidate can have is the perception of strength. The worst thing they can have is the perception of weakness, which is what biden was dealing with until this morning, of course, wrote that yesterday, is this not also an acknowledgement from the biden team that they were behind and they needed to do something to shake up this race yeah. Thats thats how you win elections okay. Now is the obvious you get an extra, you gotta tumor, youd say take the chemo yeah. Exactly. So what do you think he needs to . They, must be confident that he can actually step up to the plate because this is not without risk, is absolutely high risk, but i think first of all, whats the other option a. That he doesnt debate, right. And thats thats just not an option that would just prolong and extend the notion that biden is weak and afraid to debate donald trump. And he does have a real perception problem. About his age, about being frail, about being mentally acute enough to be president. So the way to fix that is to get on stage and prove it i mean, theres questions about both of them. And the only way were going to find out is whether or not they both get on stage. So biden could have avoided this for months and done the classic stand back on the incumbent and phase months of stories of Trump Hammering him for refusing to debate. Well, sorry. Yeah. Jump in. But the remarkable thing about that, as in trumps social media, he actually lowers expectations on President Biden and saying this guy can barely string as sentence again, hundred percent. Im up against, which is many things in our political lives now, dont follow the playbook anymore, but debate oneonone is make your opponent seem better than they are. Such that managed the expectations going. So people totally totally true with debate. So its all about expectations and trump is making a classic mistake by lowering expectations i agree with making the mistake and i agree with the entirely this was a very smart move by biden from a position of weakness, but it was a smart move to do the problem with the lowering expectations thing, which i agree with you on on the old earth, logic rules really but earth logic rules the prominent on the pillow goes on rally after rally, talking about how biden is an invalid and all that kind of stuff. He cant All Of A Sudden what he could because hes trump, but like it would be weird from two All Of A Sudden say, but hes a brilliant debate. Just say nothing, right . He could avoid that one extra line in the tweet that that sort of points out what a bad too, because youre creating an environment where biden walks into the room and doesnt begin drooling upon himself. And then as i do think the other factor that was smart about this is because with so much early voting, yeah, you need to tell people earlier about the differences between them because right now the conversation is weirdly not about im trump mean that you wouldnt know that from watching any of the cable channels, what this trial going on, but its really not about trump. Its really about the state of the country and all that kind of stuff and making it a choice rather than a referendum to do at a much earlier, right . Well, and weve talked about to how age is obviously a dominant theme. It really in many ways is code for weakness when you really dig into the numbers but again, this is what the American People are expecting was. This is how mitt romney put it in an interview last night, watch this the image that comes to mind as those two old guys on the muppets, you know, that sat in the back that learned walgreens waldorf. All right thats what comes to mind. But i actually think therell be a huge audience for these debates so just to remind you who stellar mould are far watch this it looks like to ancient old guys sitting in a theater box watching television crazy, no one would watch junk like that. I mean, its onpoint its onpoint now, Who Staedtler and whose waldorf . I dont know. How do we identify. The other thing to pick up on jonahs 0. 1 of the points raised in the Biden Campaigns letter to the president ial commission was, these are too late and people start making their decisions lets do, it for. Four months before. And the idea that the commission may its memory be a blessing, but the one that im sorry no its fine. No, but the idea that the commission would have scheduled its first to the president ial commission on debates were scheduled first debate in september, just doesnt track how the country votes. Now, i will say mark one of the consistent features of every president ial campaign. I have covered in my career is hatred on both sides for the commission on president ial hundred percent. And i was there in 2000 we tried to do an end run around the commission and listen the purpose of the commission is a noble one, which is to ensure that theres gonna be a debate and that there are rules established in this case we dont need that because theyve agreed to debate and theyve agreed to the rules. So c a commission. Were going to talk more about nobody cares about the commission. The commission, commission itself nobody is either march im not going to watch it because its the commission does not at the end. And i think that campaigns know that right at the end of the day, all people want to do see this. You guys on stage. All right. Coming up next . Here. Republican senator mitt romney, we played you a little bit of what he thinks about the debate there, but were also going to show you what he said about his thoughts on pardoning donald trump plus democratic senator John Fetterman. Join me live to discuss his new Mental Health initiative and this is something youve got to see this morning. Newly released dashcam footage showing the moments leading up to a semitruck nearly driving off the bridge will have that and five more things you have to say when it comes to investing, we live in uncertain times. Some acids can evaporate at the click of a Button Others can deflate with a single policy change savvy investors know that gold has stood the test of time im as a reliable real asset. So how do you invest in gold sandstorm . Gold royalties is a publicly traded Company Offering a diversified portfolio of Mining Royalties in one simple investment learn more about a brighter way too fast and gold at sandstorm, gold. 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Republican senator, and a reminder, 2012 republican president ial nominee mitt romney, sharing his thoughts on president ial pardons had i been President Biden when the Justice Department brought on indictments, i would have immediately a pardon to add a pardon, President Trump why . Because it makes me President Biden. The big guy and the person i pardoned a little guy. And of course, romney is not just any student sitting senator, as we mentioned, he was a republican president ial nominee in 2012 and is perhaps the sharpest gop critic of donald trump in the senate. He voted to convict him not once but twice in two impeachments all right were you surprised to hear me say this . And he wasnt directly asked about whether trump he wouldve done Something Like this. Its its sort of remarkable thing, especially as the Supreme Court is now weighing should trump be immune from all this. Yeah, i mean, ive only heard the clip that we played here, but this was talked about a lot traditionally, youre supposed to accept your guilt. If you accept a pardon, right and ive always thought this would make immense sense if it kept trump from ever running again. If he just said, heres the deal, your pardon . My left bank. My left base will hate me for this they hit the same way. People hated gerry ford but if it keeps trump out of politics and spares at all of this, it would have been a nobrainer to me, but that wasnt necessarily myths rationale there. It was much more of a political thing, maybe in the fuller context hes got other reasons. Its interesting the mentioned gerald ford and its president texas hasnt ever appointed, but very sexy, but bringing back his pardon nixon to unite the country and part of the rationale is, yes, this guy did horrible things, but there will be so much unrest on the other side if we dont pardon him, therefore, its worth department. Okay. Fine. Whatever that thats a Defensible De The Problem is that he goes on to say that biden should have also pressured new york prosecutors to not bring their cases and thats disgraceful. Theres theres pressuring prosecutors, but i think its an interesting notion, but i think you have to let some of the evidence in the trial play out for them. What do you pardoning for romney did kind of office for a little bit more of an explanation of what he was going for here. Lets watch that we may not have that. Do we have that mommy get resolved before the election . Its not going to have an impact before the election. And frankly, the country doesnt want have to go through prosecuting a former president i think the American People have recognized that President Trump did have an inappropriate affair with someone who was a porn star. I think they realized that then they realize he took classified documents. He shouldnt have and didnt handle them properly, that they understand that as well that they realize hes been lying about the election in 2020 they know those things so johnny, he seems to be saying it would be better for the country to avoid this which, you know what do you think based on his or an explanation, its very difficult to run through the full contra factual, right. But like look i think everyone get trump and a lot of people get the causality backwards when they talk about how these trials are election interference. And again, i dont like the brags trial i think it shouldnt have been broad, but yeah the the causality is its trump ran for president as an act of judicial interference, right . He announced so early, so as to make it more difficult to prosecute them, theyre not hes not being prosecuted and make it difficult for him to run for president and avoiding all of that. If romneys theory would a work that ive been fine with it . It just reminds me that romney would have made a great president. It was a terrible candidate that cut. He governs are really well. Its the right approach is the right ideas, the right now. Yeah. I mean, i covered that campaign from the press plane and mitt romney has certainly come to play pretty unique spot in our system in a donald trump driven world. But i think a lot of people have learned a lot about a man who was very differently viewed on the Campaign Trail and he is now all right. Coming up. How the kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs match to anger women. Im gonna go thats that is an understatement hes in his Commencement Speech will show you some of what he said. Plus a ritual like no other at the naval academy, which is one of the five things you have to see this morning. How would really happen with jesse l. Martin, sundays At Night On Cia you know, whats brilliant think about it. 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Just a short time ago, chinese leader xi jinping greeted russian president Vladimir Putin in beijing. As he kicked off a to de state visit, the two have had their first summit and signed a joint declaration hoping to show the world that theyre close ties are getting stronger. All of this, of course, in the shadow of russias latest attacks and ukraine bringing Putin International scorn, seen as marc stewart joins us live now from beijing. Mark, good morning to you. Thank you so much for being here what is the overall goal here. And what are the implications for the west good morning, casey. I think first and foremost, its about this idea of mutual admiration for each other from a military standpoint, from a political standpoint and from a strategic standpoint. And that was very obvious today. Weve been watching these images come in. There was this red carpet welcome for Vladimir Putin. There has been so much military pageantry, but lets make it clear. This is not a visit, just between Vladimir Putin and xi jinping and to show off this no limits partnership between china and russia this is very much a way to snub the west and the United States, especially as china really tries to assert itself as this leader in a a New World Order of sorts of way of viewing the world than the west on this topic of ukraine, which is of course at center of so many of these observations. Its the fact that xi jinping and china has not condemned the war in ukraine it is saying that its a neutral observer and all of this infect xi jinping is calling for his talks are has suggested that at one point, in fact, i heard from one source here on the ground and Mainland China who suggested that qizan pink very much would like to be a Peace Negotiator between russia and ukraine. So in many ways, this is also tilting to a beneficial relationship. Four china with all of that said, if Vladimir Putin did not travel alone, he brought top Military Advisors with him. He brought top Security Advisors with him. So this is going to be very much an involved conversation between all these different parties. Not only about the war with ukraine, but also the worldview and the conflict in gaza. I should also point out, casey, of course it is evening now, here in china, its thursday and the two men will celebrate this relationship, 75 years of diplomatic ties between china and russia at a gala that is set for this evening here in beijing all right, marc stewart for us and beijing, mark, thanks very much for that report all right. 23 minutes past the hour are five things you have to see this morning. Dashcam video of a crash that almost caused a semitruck to drive off of a kentucky Bridge Driver tried to avoid a swerving car and the truck ended up dangling over the ohio river she was eventually rescued by a firefighter. Thank goodness. 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Its very nice its that time of at the naval academy, the pleads, scaling a 21 foot tall, Greased Obelisk covered in 200 pounds of Vegetable Shortening to mark the end of their freshman year, its known as the Harnden Climb and it took them two hours and 19 minutes to reach the top and replace a dixie cup hats with an upperclassmen hat all right. Come on up next here. Donald trumps former fixer back on the stand today is the defense plots a new strategy and still ahead oneonone with democratic senator John Fetterman. 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This is supposed to be the final stand off with his worst enemy and trump is asleep reminds me of this climactic confrontation from star wars. You cant win strike me done. I should become more powerful than you can possibly imagine my favorite things in a single clip, politics and star wars cant resist that. When Michael Cohen returns to the Witness Stand in just a few hours, we understand that the defense is going to be trying out a new strategy, calling call it the liar, liar pants on fire approach. Sources telling us here at cnn at the defense Defense Plans to try to drive home the point that cohen is a convicted liar because they were unable to achieve a gotcha moment during tuesdays crossexamination. Trump attorney todd blanche tried at some points and tuesday, he brought up lives that cohen told to special counsel Robert Muellers investigators when they interviewed him in 2018, blanche asking cohen if molars Team Questions ginned him about the trump moscow project. And he said, you lied to them, right . Cohen replied, yes, the information i gave was not accurate. Blanche responding. So its not accurate is not Accurate Information to lie. Cohen says sure todd then asked, do you recall lying about anything else or were you only lying about that are being inaccurate, whichever word cohen. I dont know rudy giuliani, former prosecutor, was calling for this liar, Liar Strategy against cohen from the very beginning, six years ago, before molars team even interrogated cohen much hes destroyed himself. Chris, as a witness i prosecuted 5,000 cases. Id never prosecuted case on this guys testimony. Hes contradicted so many times that i mean, you begin your crossexamination by saying which set of eyes youre going to tell us today, michael, lets go through them now. All right. At panels back, Elliot Williams todd blanche, is he was he the right person to do this because i sort of i dont understand why they have to change strategy to do this now on their second day of cross, after they didnt seem to be able to accomplish it in their first attempt. Its hard to know todd blanche is a great, theyre all great attorneys on the team. Lets be clear, there they have experience in court experiences former prosecutors that all make sense now, going after the liar, liar pants on fire strategy, strategy is really out of the textbook for how one would typically crossexamine a witness. You even if the witness has given testimony thats believable so far and try and he as the witness still has prior convictions for lying and one of the things that they could have started out with, but was by saying you lie to your wife, youll add to the irs, you lied to congress. You why did you lie to the federal authorities . Is there anybody you havent lied to . Why should this group of people even believe what youre saying today and that may actually be the strongest thing they could do with him because his testimony otherwise has been quite compelling. You just attack is credibility and hope that that plant something and at least one jurors mind isnt most of his lying in the service of donald trump, though it is. And he said that quite directly on the record that i did this for the my job, my wife for donald trump, and in fact, even when he was wasnt saying it, he was saying it because questions they were asking about his relationship to the Trump Organization they spent days building this skeleton of a case around how donald trump favors loyalty and relies on his people and so on. So its clear that this is all in furtherance of donald trump and to your point, frankly, if you talk to Michael Cohen he will say that everyone should know that i was doing this to benefit donald trump. And so perhaps that sticks with the jury as well. So one of the other questions, of course, is whos going to show up for donald trump today . This was what romney had to say in that mitt romney had to say in that interview he did last night about all of the supplicant. I guess, unclear at politicians who have paraded to the courtroom and defensive donald trump, watch romney think its a terrible fault for our country to seek people attacking our legal system thats an enormous mistake i think its also demeaning for people to quiet apparently, try and run for Vice President by donning the red tie and standing outside the courthouse its just i felt awkward where i one of those individuals classic Romney Understatement yeah, i find the red tie thing creepy. I remember a friend of mine coming back from the 2017 cpac. There they are. And he was like, yeah, its all over all the all the college kids, all college bros. Theyre all wearing dark suits with ties that go past their crutches and hes like trumps one. Hes taken over winter, rest like donald trump that no, its creepyits like, i mean, its its its like an identical i mean, mark like its unmistakable yeah. And thats its fealty to trump. Thats what its all about, and thats the coin of the realm for anybody in Trumps Republican Party is to show absolute loyalty. Start by Dressing Ligand and looking like him the vec needs collar stays. He does he does to the question of whats been proven or whats not in the trial would be great to ask each of these people, do you believe or not that he paid off a porn star after having sex with her, right. And no ones really disputing that central fact. Now theres other questions about was it a felony . Hello. And he was the Campaign Next is can you prosecute him and send him to jail for it . But but yeah, i well leave aside, but theres no one thats not in dispute except the one person is denying it is donald trump. Hes not taking the stand, which is his right. Every witness that has come forward and the common sense says that this happened, yet theyre still rallying behind that as their cause . And its i mean, i think the point is that the point that underscores trumps very existence, which is yeah, it all happened. We expect that from him and it doesnt matter to me and is that where we it seems like thats where we are right. All right. So lets turn to this different story. Its Commencement Speech season, and that is, of course usually an opportunity for Community Leaders to i mean, some of them. Lets lets be honest, some people have lots of cliches, but theyre usually very heartwarming, shooting for lets star has never give up. But then there was this one, Harrison Butker, the kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs, took a different route. The threetime super bowl champ is facing backlash for a speech that he gave at Benedictine College over the weekend. Watch some of this i think it is, you, the women who have had the most Diabolical Lysed to you. How many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage . And our thinking about all the promotions and titles youre going to get in your career some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but i would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world. Im on this stage today, enabled to be the man i am because i have a wife who leans into her vocation an embrace, one of the most important titles, vole, homemaker, part of what plagues our society is this lie that has been told to you that men are not necessary in the home or in our communities . As men, we set the tone of the culture, be unapologetic in your Masculinity Fighting against the cultural emasculation of men so the nfl put out a statement. They said this quote, Harrison Butker gave his speech in his personal capacity. His views are not that of an nfl, of the the nfl as an organization, the nfl is steadfast in our commitment to inclusion, which only makes our league stronger i realize im the only woman at this table for the record, i dont think any of you are unnecessary you dont really set the tone for dont ask my wife that, quite what to do the thing is so stunning to me about this is it just feels like such a huge step backwards in our culture. And i interviewed John Bolton One Time and he said something that really struck me, which is he said mark, there is no arc to history, progress is not guaranteed. And thats desk restructuring, but i keep thinking were so past this and yet here we are again, like in the back, in the 50s. Heres there are people who hold those views in america and no comment. Heres a line that also struck me along all of this abortion ivf surrogacy, euthanasia, as well as growing support for degenerative cultural values. And there are people, one linking ivf to euthanasia asked on par and two, there are people in that audience. Im certain even at benedictine university, whove had abortions, who have had who have ivf four or whatever else. And the idea that is wagging a finger at them is equally troubling. A look, it just kind of a smorgasbord thing, right . I mean, he also said that theres some bill in congress that would ban biblical explanation about who killed jesus. I mean this, this, theres something for everybody in here right now. And i think its one of these things where theres a certain sort of those are reactionary kind of pushback that comes up, that bubbles up, that is amplified on social media in ways that in the old days, it wouldve been much more difficult to do this kind of thing in public, but would have stayed with the audience that it was intended for, which i mean, it was a conservative catholic audience. And i also do want to say, i dont think anyone is saying that this table is saying that people who theres an incredible amount of work that goes into running a household. And if thats what you end up doing, that is incredibly, it is admirable and it is fine. I think the disconnect is that hes giving this speech to a bunch of women who are graduated from college about to go out in the world with all of these various opportunities and to say to any of them, if theyre if theyre top goal is not what he says. He thinks it is, which is getting married and having children that thats not admirable there were some female Sports Reporters who reacted to this. The former nfl sideline reporter, lisa grow hay, nfl if you want to continue to grow your female fan base and any other marginalized group has straight white men are already watching your product come, get your boy i liked nfl networks jayne slater. She said Harrison Butker, three words, bless your heart and then there was this from broadcast or jackie remal, its disgusting. Hes up there in front of women who quite obviously have Career Aspirations and telling them they should only be one thing and lean into that. Unlike men who can wear many hats without issue, of course i mean, i have a daughter, gianna, you have a daughter this message ill do everybody else all and the message for them stick to kicking harrison. What the amazing to that, to that point, think about the Us Womens National soccer team that was probably as dominant as anyone has been in any sport the month they started talking talking about equal pay, everybody said, oh, shut up and dribble, youre just politicizing and dont care. I do think its important point to be made here is that young men are in real crisis in this country, right . There have real prompts. 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Optimum welcome back to cnn this morning, millions of americans suffer from major depression each year. And one and five are struggling with a Mental Health issue. This month may is Mental Health Awareness Month and our next guest, pennsylvania senator John Fetterman. Using his platform to introduce legislation to try to establish a commission on Mental Health in the senate. The goal is to expand access and affordability for Mental Health services, something that the senator understands himself last year, fetterman checked himself into a hospital for treatment for depression heres what he told cbs about that experience the whole thing about depression is, is that objectively, you may have one, but depression can actually convince you that you actually lost. And thats exactly what happened and that was the start of a down a downward spiral i had stopped leaving my bed ive stopped eating dropping weight i stopped engaging some of the most things that i love in my life. All right, democratic senator John Fetterman joins me onset now. Senator, very nice to see you. Thanks for being here. Its readily or yeah, youre doing this with senator tina smith, who also came forward and talked about her own struggles with Mental Health. How do you think what youre planning would help others and it also, its something that people still seem to feel the need to keep to themselves. A lot of time. And you have really set an example in talking about it. How has that changed your life and how do you hope it will change other peoples lives . Yeah. Well, we want to make it a National Conversation as well, and its got to be bipartisan because it is now, its not just a red county or a blue county its for everybody. And if if its not, you, its probably someone that you know, are you love or you work with or whatever the needs that kind if a conversation and just yesterday, i had a two Student Groups of visiting him, my office and two people referred theyd like, yeah, your your conversation last year helped me and i decided to get help and thats the reason why im doing thats why im happy to be here today to just say, hey, we have to normalize that and its okay to have those feelings, but its really important to go out and get help do you think some of this is generational . Lets i mean, youre honestly one of the younger members of the senate and augusta body though it maybe yeah well oh, old, young, young does reeling. Its very relative in our town but i will say that its an important conversation when i first signed into the walter reed, i thought this could be possibly the end of my career on that, or itd be very damaging, but after that, i got very lucky. I was able to get help and was able to get better so i wanted to pay it forward and i wanted to take that platform that i have to talk about it for everybody. And where its a judge in texas she visited and she said, hey, it was your conversation. I got getting help and ive met people regularly in here that so its a National Conversation and im just grateful to be here today because a little over a year ago, i have emerged from walter reed and im going to be talking about this so one of the things that can be really challenging for people who are trying to address this is insurance coverage. Its hard to get for Mental Health challenges. How would what youre doing today try to help that . It must be so difficult. I was i was very fortunate i was able to turn the walter reed and of course thats all going to be a lot of people so but we need to expand those resources. And also there must be pretty hard to even if you have insurance for that is to get on the docket for a therapist to talk to people as well . So i think we really need to address all this again, and thats why having it in a national perspective, not just the state one or local i think we need to make sure that is part of health overall. So its not separate Mental Health and physical health. Its all just part of Overall Health so senator, we had some news earlier in the show about senator bob menendez of new jersey, who is now on trial and were learning he was missing yesterday and then i have the same Set A Trial Panels here is still sitting here laughing as well. They see it. The defense seems to be saying that his wife was doing these things without his knowledge. Your reaction . Yeah. Yeah. No, he was wondering like, how could i be more sleazy . Its like, oh, i can blame the life and then i found out that he had a twin. So now it could be very novel they could say, well, thats actually the wife and my twin im going to why do you think Democratic Leaders wont be, wont call for him to step down in a stronger way i dont speak for anyone else, but ive been clear back in september that he has hes entitled to have a day in court like hes having right now, but he doesnt have the right to remain in the senate. But now that were at night and were going to find a how this shakes out. But, but its been very clear that its a lot of troubling kinds of evidence. And now even expanded just the gold bars in the mattress and the cash. Its now he was a credibly accused of being a Foreign Agent for egypt and qatar. And those are parts of the negotiations for the hostages in gaza. And how can this guy get a classified brief . I dont know why. Anyway, he could get but that youre from a swing state pennsylvania we were different jerseys in terms of our most important pennsylvania politics, your sheets guy. Im a wahwah girl. Im on the right side i think im on the right side but you know. Okay. Well, we can set that aside and continue this conversation. But we wanted yesterday the President Biden is agreed to debate donald trump. Was that the right call . And what do you hear from voters on the ground in pennsylvania . This is a very close race. Why is President Biden basically . Its been a conversation. I been having for eight years back in 2017 was my first campaign. Its like somethings happening with trump, his connecting with people, and then of course it did in 2016, ive been saying that in 2020 that its going to be very competitive. Ive been close and thats what it was. And thats the same conversation that were having now in 2024 trump is and i dont understand it necessarily why, but hes very popular in pennsylvania and its going to be close and competitive and more than things that are going on right now. I dont think its going to have the kind of impact on that people have to decide, do i want to very stark choices here and its going to come down to a very close election. All right, senator John Fetterman. Thank you very much for being with us this morning. I really appreciate it. Youre never going to win me over and shed sorry. How well will and all the steelers too. I hope im an eagles fan. Goberts oh, no, that microaggression you. Very much for being here. I really appreciate it. All right. 53 minutes past the hour here is your morning round up. The Supreme Court delivering a win to civil Rights Groups and democrats or ordering the state to use a congressional map that includes a second majorityblack district. Many see this as an opportunity for democrats to net a district In The Deep Red State Classes today are remote at uc irvine staff has been told to work from home as well as Police Continue dispersing the last remaining protesters from an encampment on campus a new bill in florida, changing the States Energy policies. And in some instances, deleting entire sections of state law that talk about climate change. This comes as florida is dealing with rising sea levels and record temperatures all right, now this we gather here today to say goodbye to a once venerable Political Institution. Tuition. But commission on president ial debates. The commission past away doing what it loved, facilitating president ial and Vice President ial debates for nine alive section cycles. Only to meet its maker after President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump circumvented it. We should note that the commission disputes its time of death. They are still ready to plan and debate. They say they left us though, with countless memorable soundbites and moments youre no jack kennedy is political patronage. I went to a number of womens groups and said, can you help us find folks and they brought us whole binders full of women im so such a nationally west fund. Would you and we will all be haunted by the ghost to frustrated moderators past sir wheres lets have the moderator of this debate . And i would like you to let me ask my question our own Chris Wallace in lieu of flowers. We ask that our viewers please tune in to the cnn president ial still debate on june 27th. La, wed be watching i just i wish i told it i loved it when it was still here. The commission, we have so much unresolved feelings over our life together mark, can you explain why it is the campaigns hated the commission so much and like because it literally was this feature every time debate season came around when i was covering these campaigns of fighting with this commission that has a very noble purpose. Lets be clear and a lot of people did a lot our work to bring these debates to the American People, but it clearly wasnt working. Yeah, i mean, i remember in 2000 during bushs president ial can im paying, we fought very hard to go around the commission and got hammered for that but the reason we thought against it and other campaigns do is its so constricting a dictates when, where and how you debate. And in the modern era and today. As i mentioned earlier, the purpose of the commission was to ensure that there our debates and that theres some agreement to the rules in this case. We have two guys who agree to debate and theyve agreed to the rules. So rest in peace i think itll be back. What is dead may never die i dont you think that right . Its not, its not done yet know its going to have a halflife. First of all, commissions dont disappear. So itll be around the cockroaches after the nuclear bomb. Its never going oh, im in three days will it will The Rock Roll from the tomb . And what would emerge we keep making as erection jokes all day. We theres a lot we can do here. So lets dig into whats going to be different about this and why President Biden and trump were both willing to agree to this jonah, because they have agreed on a set of rules, one of which is that the biden team really wanted the microphones to cut when the time was up we showed that moment where biden basically told trump to shut up on the last debate stage. They were very, very frustrated by that. Hows that going to change the experience plus the lack of a Live Audience . Yes, i think the lack of a Live Audience is the really important one. Its something ive wanted for, you years, i think Live Audiences are really distortive of the experience of how people process political information and the live mike thing. Its funny, everyone in your setup earlier the hour, youre talking about how this live mic thing would prevent moments like this where biden says, will you shut up, man, and the weird thing is, will you shut up man was probably bidens best moment in that debate because he was speaking for a lot of people. So you never know how thats going to actually play. I have a recommendation on that idea what theyre trying to do is we limit the ability for somebody to step on the other persons opportunity to speak and do two filibuster the time why not penalize the person whos doing that and give that time at the end of the debate to the person whos time was taken away, kinda like in soccer, where you have the extra time yeah. Its an interesting, its an interesting thought. We actually have a Chris Wallace talked about how frustrating this was for him. Lets watch that i always felt that the audience was a pain in the neck some people are like, well, thats going to hurt trump because he plays to a crowd. I can tell you as somebody whos been on that general Election Debate stage twice in 2016 and 2020 people arent playing to the crowd. It is a very intense circle there between the two candidates whose, whose podiums are just ten feet apart. And the moderator one thing i will also say, when you cover covering a president ial debate from inside the hall, when you were experiencing it as a member of the audience doesnt tell you a thing about whats actually happening. Intubate because you, everyone and americans consuming it on television and you miss all of that. And really, what tends to matter is how people talk about it. The next stay on that day after the whether its the writeups or the articles are the recaps and thats when people think about the key moments. Often they werent what they felt in the moment. Its what they read about it the next day for sure. All right i will leave all of you with this theres three or four people around me are still there six is marvelous entertainment. What point are we just routing . Thanks for him. He nearly got to look cool go to work. You can get out as match between the Philadelphia Union and New York City Fc last night, the crowd was very into it. The league has named the little guy rakhine, who and right into his record setting, john on the pitch, the Philadelphia Union put a lot of minds at ease with this update. The raccoon has been seafloor released. He is fine. 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