Americans are not. This is at the end of the de, this will be about whatever the jury thinks about all of that, everyone. Thank you so much. Thank you for watching a Special Edition of newsnight on trumps Hush Money Trial. Our coverage continues with a Special Edition of Laura Coates Live next Stormy Daniel aspides back against attempts to shame her and her career. Another trump inside are tearing up on the stand and the judge rebuked zone trumps lawyers welcome to a Special Edition of Laura Coates Live so we knew all this was going to be coming out. Right. But we didnt actually know it would be this explosive for this amount of time trumps team attempting a fullon assault on Stormy Daniels credibility on now day 14. And his Hush Money TrialDefense AttorneySusan Necklace, who was the one grilling daniels for hours, trying to paint her as being only in it for the money trying to make it appear as if she had a huge vendetta against trump trying to make her appear very unstable and try in a tarnish or work as an Adult Film Actress and director and throw it all stormy wasnt having it. She was defiant throughout. She stood her ground and defended her character in spite of the oncoming assault and one of the more combative exchanges, necklace going after daniels about whether she made up everything about trump that was asking so you have a lot of experience and making phony stories about sex appear real, right . Angles responded, wow, im at, well, thats not how i would put it. The sex in the films is very much real. Just like what happened to me in that room look, we knew that trumps team wanted to appear aggressive and going after daniels. But heres the thing im thinking about. What if their strategy actually helps the prosecutions case. I made the defense wants the jury to believe and they do that this woman is all about the money she only cared about that and her bottom line that she was ruthless and shrewd and had every intention and making sure the story got out there somehow some way it cut cost to anyone but herself well isnt that exactly what Central Casting would look like for the person that youd want to pay off to keep quiet tonight, we will dig into how that could play into the jurys thinking and speaking of intense testimony, we also heard from a trump insider who worked in the white house just outside the oval office, by the way and our name Madeline West or howd and if is using her to try to Connect The Dots of what this case is really about if those you forgot with all the details have been coming in its about falsified Business Records and the 34 counts of it the scheme all to try to keep Stormy Daniels quiet and hide it according to prosecutors from the transparency of an election. And her testimony, by the way, it did lay some of the groundwork for trying to bridge that gap and Connect The Dots. But she also showed that she wasnt there to tear down the form of resident, even crying. She does bribed her white house departure. And the days of crying and shouting back and forth witnesses that that wasnt enough. The judge will he scolded the defense again after the jury left . He rejected two motions brought by trumps team. One was a modified gag orders that trump could now talk publicly about somebody who was the longer a prospective or future witness. But a past witness, Stormy Daniels and get another move for a mistrial based on what they thought was the unlawful and wide scope of questioning that came in about the details of the alleged Sexual Encounter and beyond a lot to unpack weve just got the right group to do all of it. Weve got cnn senior crime and justice reporter katelyn polantz, cnn opinion contributor and former house gop Investigative Committee councils of nelson, former trump attorney jim trusty. See you political commentator karen fannie, and former republican congressman joe walsh all of you to have shorter titles because my mouth theyre all here. Theyre all here. Again, here are coming. So great to have you so, first of all they needed to try to discredit stormy out. Thats the whole point of the cross but a really effective cross is one where you just get yes and no responses. Stormy. She was talkative, she was defined at times combative why did they spend so much time with someone who technically according the falsify a documents themselves is irrelevant, right . Im in the relationships are relevant. The fact that there was an nda is not disputed i think there was a shift of strategy thats not great. I mean, ive preached from the beginning, if youre on the defense side of this your entire strategy is make it a referendum on Michael Cohen, the entire case rises or falls on his credibility. Thats the perfect battlefield. I mean, you can crossexamine him for seven or eight months and still be getting good points. So please dont do that. Were gonna be done by 20 25, but we look easy. A target rich environment, its going to be a lot of phone to crossexamine him, but you want the jury to be thinking the only way we convict is if we believe this guy and i have to say from the other witnesses not stormy. It does seem to be gravitating towards hes the guy that could supposedly deliver this kind of cryptic theory of whats going on with the ledger and the check entries. So i think what happened is they started off disciplined then they had the ability to regroup over time and theyre talking to the client as well, and theyre thinking hey client has opinionated client but theyre looking at it and theyre saying, boy, shed gotten a bunch of gratuitous stuff like the original discipline was, lets not object too much. Thats not make it look like shes hurting. Well, that let her get into all these insane vivid details that hurt so they come back after the break and ago weve got to go strong after her so this has played out with a Mistrial Motion as well. That strategy of taking it on the chin, but acting like it doesnt hurt and then trying to come back in and essentially Opening Doors with their crossexamination for harmful redirect. So it kinda spiral into a different case for a few hours with this crossexaminati on, i dont think that was particularly helpful, but i will say shes also fairly target rich environment. I mean, when you have somebody on the stand talking about how shes been talking to dead people and getting paid for that. Theres gonna be some new york jurors that are like this Ouija Board Crap is, or they might not say crap and this ouija board stuff is really getting kinda silly and crazy. I cant trust this woman the, problem again for the state spent too much time dignifying her as a witness for a case thats about paper entries. I mean, i have i have love 0. 06. It was a hell of a moody i see why that happened, right. Trump went into the room and went crazy on his lawyers and said, you go after her and you deal with her and thats exactly what what happened. And thats why you had all this focus on stormy damage to your point when you shouldnt have and i think they hurt themselves actually defense that it will be interesting to see if they do to cohen, but i think she heard them. I mean, it was the way that they went after her and i tell you, i maybe its because i have been a Sex Prosecutor before, karen. Yeah. And one of the one yeah, its one of the one of the tactics people often will use as they in their defense will try to do and say anything to try to suggest that somehow the person who is stating that there has been a Sexual Encounter grande this is not something has claimed Sexual Assault or rape. She has said that this is consensual. Shes repeated over and over in the cross and shes not a victim. But they were intent on trying to talk about the number of sexual porins that she had done too to get to the partner count. They were trying to have the jurors be disgusted by her. And i guess jurors theyre not proves and i love that they actually think themselves. I have to think youre disgusting to believe you. Well, also, it is it was a time tested tactic, right of attacking in a woman for having sex, for having what some might think is too much sex or rough sex, or getting paid for sex, or all of it. They were trying to make it all very unseemly at to go after her credibility but i kept thinking, you could have avoided this whole thing if you just want a stipulated to the fact that they had sex, we would not have had to hear any of that, but trump wont do that, right . The heat fundamentally, he says it never happened. So that is why weve had two days of testimony from Stormy Daniels and youre right. I mean, its who knows how the jurors took it. One thing that struck me was just from the tone and tenor of how the Defense Attorneys were questioning Stormy Daniels versus hope hicks versus right . For some of the women on the jury, they might have not recognize that youre going to bully this woman and youre going to coddle these other women now i understand my home by the way, are the same or the same age. Now, or when they started perhaps as she was when she had this alleged encounter. And its led to that point, caitlin, i want to hear from you so because i am constantly wondering when there are two jurors you got to please you got to please the 18 that are in the room and convinced that theres gonna be 12 ultimately who will decide the case. You got the larger court of Public Opinion and electorate whats more important to the Trump Campaign . Trying to prove that he did not have sexual relations with this person. Or that was a clinton next but there or was it that this is a weaponized government . Well, judge merchan actually address this with just the lawyers at the end after the jury leaves and says to them, i dont know why you guys werent objecting more whenever these facts were first coming out, not only were you not objecting as these details are coming out into the record from Stormy Daniels is stuff thats making donald trump embarrassed as a candidate, his lawyers are saying that to the judge he is embarrassed as candidate. He wants to be able to publicly talk more to refute her story. And they didnt and they reminded the jurors today, during the cross of all of these details and the judge said there were other ways that you could have done this and you didnt. Your approach was one that is not working here legally for you to claim a mistrial at this point, talk to me about Hurt Me Astronomy by the way, is no Shrinking Violet as weve seen. And at one point they have, theyd asked for the gag order not to apply the people blackcurrant. She hasnt had protection was probably their argument. Michael cohen as well. Shes been tweeting tonight and she has been provoke. Yeah, she gets off of the stand six hours of testimony over two days and tweets real men respond to testimony by being sworn in and taking the stand in court obviously, taking a shot at donald trump, who she talking about we proceed, laura. Like thats why i think this just all politically helps trump this. Stormy has nothing to do with the crime. Youre right that trump probably shed go after her, but in a weird way, if he can make this about stormy and its just a weird, Yucky Flaying that he had politically, his supporters think this doesnt matter. Thats and if shes out there, 20 happening in the courtroom or is this about whats happening in the discussion afterwards outside the courtroom, he wants to be able to counter her message thats being shared about the reporting on whats happening, what shes saying in the courtroom. Yeah. Im luckily, youre right the, judge is saying no thats what she says to do it in the courtroom, put the facts theyre if theyre if there needs to be a counter to what shes saying, the place to do that is not not going your oath though, because he knows thats a whole big problem for him, so no lawyer, am i right is go let him on the stand. Am i wrong . Because obviously youve been pretrial rulings that would affect him dramatically in terms of testifying, the judge that he could be cross a lot of somehow e. Jean carroll is relevant to this case. Theres all sorts of stuff theyd crime plus examine an arm. But the reality i think is just a more straight tactical decision. You want to make it all about Michael Cohen, period anything else is a distraction. President trumping on the stand telling his story. Its a distraction. And the reason why they appear inconsistent with these other witnesses is theyre getting friendly crosses, theyre getting concessions without raising using their voice. That is by far the best tactic here for all of these witnesses that are controllers that are hope hicks types theyre upset, theyre throwing stuff out that helps or hurts both sides a little bit. But ultimately, dont turn it into a battle where you look like theyre hurting you. And i think that this i think youd go back to the gag order for a second. The gag order is become simply a measure of ego at this point, the jury is sequestered. Theyre told dont hopefully dont Pay Attention and immediate questions. Not in a literal told not to be able to look at not to do, theyre not in a hotel by themselves, right . Right. Right. I mean, i always wonder when the judge says dont Pay Attention in the media if theyre not all getting on their phones on the ride home, but but luck, the reality is theyre being told dont Pay Attention anything happening out about this court courtroom, just Pay Attention to what happens in the courtroom. So donald trump saying anything from a to z its not criminal on its face, and its not affecting the jury. They are trying to protect witnesses. Thats the other piece. Its not just well, heres the thing. I mean sympathetic when cohen and stormy now our taunting from the freedom of their speech while somebody i remember him are free hello, and he said in the past that hes going to stop now, the problem is for both stormy and michael, is that they have said a lot four years and they are you talked about rich targets in the sense of being able to cross on them everyone standby, we have a lot more to talk about. Dont you worry, especially that especially what was the indictment candle on bringing that up and all the merchandise i want to bring in someone whos been in court all week. Asha bach o shay, shes a Justice Department correspondent for usa today also a lawyer. Ayesha, thank you so much for being here. I have a lot of questions. And one of them let me get right to the point. I want to know what was the jurys Body Language and reaction . To the discussion and me crossexamination by Nicholas AgainstStormy Daniels, how were they responding the jurors were really attentive. They have been attentive throughout this trial, but they have not been showing their hand. It is not as if theyre really telling people in the audience what theyre thinking about, whats happening. You can see the kind of thing that lawyers often talk about wanting to see in a jury where people are turning their heads left and right, theyre following where people are testifying. If its the witness testifying, thats where their eyes are. If its a lawyer asking questions, their eyes turn there. So you can really see that theyre paying attention, theyre taking lots of notes but it is not as if theyre showing what theyre thinking it was a really tough crossexamination from Susan Nechele is today. But the jurors werent really tipping their hats about what they think its just really clear that theyre paying close attention. Show me their and describe the tone that Stormy Daniels had and reaction to the relentless questions from neck glas, where she was trying to suggest a lot about the work that she had done, the number of sex partners shed had in her films. It appeared from just reading the transcript and daniels would not be moved or was n was unbothered by the same time she was defined. What was that exchange like . Who had the upper hand . Yes. I mean, Stormy Daniels is clearly no Shrinking Violet. If anything, she kind of pay more into her own when she was under crossexamination, you could see that she was ready to fight back. Thats actually a point that Susan Necklace made today. She showed that when Stormy Daniels has been harassed by people online who it might be trumps supporters. Stormy daniels, house responded. So we saw that on the Witness Stand to when Susan Necklace was going after her challenging sometimes really tiny details that necklace said were inconsistent. But to mean stories that daniels has told daniels was ready to shoot back what does it matter or what . Really is the difference between these two stories . If one time i said that trumps body guard came up to me and said, mr. Trump would like to have dinner with you and another time i said trump did it, but the bodyguard is sort of trumps agent. Is that really a difference in the stories . My story has not changed. There was a time when nicholas really went after the fact that Stormy Daniels is an adult film star. And basically said, you make up things for money and daniels responded, whats happening in my movies is very real. And so is what happened between me and mr. Trump. So she had no problem handling a tough cross examination. I mean, i still stick to my same thought about that. The idea, if you want to paint her as somebody who was money hungry, shrewd, and with no principles. Thats who you want to pay off. And he wanted to have their story required. The allegation alone. Thats that to me. Rings credible that you would be motivated in that way, whether you agree with whether are allegations true or not. But then there was this moment two were both trump and daniels are making money for murder ten days, and hes got a mug shot. We look at the screen, were showing the trump merchandise. Hes got the golden sneakers. Hes got bibles, hes got Shi Selling A Candle comic books tshirts. I wonder have that landed with the jurors given this idea that it was the pot and the Kettle Arguing over whos black yes. I mean, you definitely saw people, two people who are motivated by money. I mean, daniel is really did try to push back against some of that story line from Susan Nechele less she really sad when it came to 2016, right before the president ial election, she wanted to tell her story that was more important to her money. And then even when she took the Hush Money Deal, what she felt good about is that it created a paper trail. It was it was a type of Document Documentation that i have this story to tell so she felt like she had some protection and she said she had security concerns, but definitely there was a lot of testimony and a lot of evidence that showed that Stormy Daniels cares about making money and has been successful. Today, we heard testimony about daniels tweeting that she made 1 million a lot of it from her book, which discussed the trump history, some from a reality tv shell. But she doesnt shrink when when shes cross examined about those things today when we saw the candle thats on sale on the website, touting trumps indictments. Susan nechele, you get 40 for each candle. Dont you . And stormy set actually about seven. So she always had an answer and come back you can definitely see theyre both theyre both people who think about businesses and think about money thats true. But im not sure that thatll be the most important thing in drilling down on what jurors think at the store because she owned it, will have to see, but it may come down to the real details in her story whether she comes across as being honest asia boxy. Thank you so much. La does come down to testimony. If i remind people this is about documents, right it does. This is not a trial within a trial as to whether or not this Sexual Encounter happened its whether there was the allegation that was sought to be suppressed and falsified Business Records as a result, for the purpose of trying to avoid having the campaign impacted, theyve got to bridge all those. 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I give amazing spongebaths. Can i get a room . [ chuckling ] chefs kiss. Free shipping anywhere nationwide im kevin lip ttac at the white house. And this is cnn now while weve heard plenty of wallace has gotten tawdry testimony, this week and Donald TrumpsHush Money Case this is really a case about documents. And of course about money. Now, in order to secure a conviction, prosecutors have to play a game of Connect The Dots the stablished trump orchestrated the plan to falsify Business Records to cover up the payment from Michael Cohen . Its where we delos to why to help his campaign. Thats a very important part. Now, prosecutors hope that todays testimony from former trump aide, Madeline Western out help jurors piece that puzzle together cnns Katelyn Poll Lands at the magic wall with the key points from today and how prosecutors could be setting the stage for cohen to take the stand. Caitlin did to mate is testimony. Move that need a little or if it didnt move the needle, it at least added a piece to the puzzle. So the main thing at the end of the day that we saw after Stormy Daniels finished her testimony is the testimony of two additional people who were working for donald trump. This is these are all of the witnesses that have been on the stand over the past couple of weeks that are the chain of people who all were able to see the paper trail and they were able to bring that into evidence. They were able to talk about things like invoices and checks. The donald trump was personally looking at signing, signing off on so that he could pay Michael Cohen to reimburse for this hush money. But this. One of these people, Madeline Western out she was the person sitting outside of the west wing and she was able to testify to who was in trumps frequent contacts. First and foremost, Michael Cohen, pretty important guy there in this trial. There are other people here, but shes helping to establish the connection directly. Between donald trump and Michael Cohen. Theres also, of course, tv hosts on here, professional athletes, some other important people in the mix of Donald Trumps worlds and Family Members that Michael Cohen is super important, having him on that list. And then ultimately Madeline Western out she was also able to testify laura about a meeting on february 5, 2017. She is the person that sent the email to Michael Cohen to get all of the important details that he needed to provide to the white house. So he could get in the building. Prosecutors are pointing to this meeting because they want to well edge. This is the meeting where the arrangements were made for this Hush Money Scheme for donald trump to ultimately give Michael Cohen his 130,000 plus much more to keep Stormy Daniels quiet caitlin. Thank you so much. I think there are a lot of people watching who were rewinding there show right now with a paddle, trying to see that list of people who were on, theyre seeing serena, theres the time brady i guys have questions about that, jim, first why do you think theyre bringing up all the contacts . What what is that i mean, obviously the jury knows by now they know Michael Cohen, they know they know david pecker. We know this, that the jury is going to be aware of this. Why is that contact less important its not as the bottom line and look, you know, i think theyve theyve played as hard as they can play with the notion that people well in a position to know about bookkeeping dont have a whole lot to say in this case. I mean you know, were not going to hear from allan weiss is a weisselberg if weisselberg is not a witness, which i assume hes not because he was treated like a failed cooperator by the by the government. Hes in jail right now as well, right . I mean, still show up from jail but i think theyve theyve kinda its almost the principle of exhaustion. Lets have everybody that could Say Something about how payments are done and who has a voice in that process . But at the end of the de, youre talking about an entries that say for Legal Services and supposedly thats a felony, but for Legal Services nda wouldnt be thats a crazy thin line for criminality and none of these people were really budgeting that issue so to me its going to come down to how the judge instructs on the motivation thats required for fraud. And then even if its a mixed motivation where it only requires some element to be the politics, which is pretty easy to establish. Hear i be substantial yeah, i mean, whatever the whatever that gray area is of substantial if they cant connect trump to the entries in any plausible way in which they really havent done so far, then it means its cohen cohens the right battlefield does it matter . Do you think i mean, were trump . He knows for what hes already laid the foundation and planted the seed that this jury is not going to be fair. Hes been slapped on the wrist for that as well in terms of the gag order, if it comes down to documents, theres normally are black and white how is the political spin going to address that . This is what it comes down to. And thats why i think the whole focus on Stormy Daniels and the other stuff helps trump this is a paper case but to your point, jim, it i mean, it it gets really down into the weeds and laura, theres a tough ensure. Trump did what he did to keep this away from the campaign. But that has to be a substantial motivation. Thats a tough bar to clear. Except in one go you, karen, because first of all, your past life as well, i mean, this this was talked about the timing of this is not like in a vacuum, right . Yeah. You pad this alleged Sexual Encounter happened in 2006. The payments, though were made a few days after, i believe the access Hollywood Tape came in, which is a few days before the november election. Actually happened. Take us back to the idea of what was going on about the fallout because thats thats the key for them to talk about that substantially aspect that it wasnt protect his family it was because he knew it impacted the campaign. So a couple of things access Hollywood Tape comes out october 8, and after a rough summer, that was a huge deal, right . Because as we now know, right at the rnc, they were trying to decide can we replace him on the ticket . He was already having trouble with white suburban women which as weve noted, continues to be an issue for him and success and thats why he hires Kellyanne Conway they know that this is the kind of story that could do real damage. Then you have so theyre trying to hold it back october 28, dont forget jim comey comes out. Now, what Saved Donald Trump when the access Hollywood Tape came out, it was melania. People love, folks dont remember. It was her coming out affirming that . Yeah. Its just how boys talk locker talk. That created a Permission Structure for women to say, okay, we can excuse that if she says its okay, then its okay so then as i say, cut to october 28, we have jim comey come back out and ironically, one of the arguments that donald trump was making at the time was that if Hillary Clinton was elected, there would be lawsuits that would be wed be dragging through the mind because of all of her baggage well, cut too. Here we are tonight having this conversation. I mean, i want to say that this is kind of deja vu and karen, youll remember this with the Clinton Impeachment matter and everything that happened the public never got their arms around the fact that it was not about the Sexual Encounter with Monica Lewinsky was about perjury, which is why they were impeaching him and everything happened. And i think thats the same issue. Youre raising here, which is that this is a very sophisticated down in the weeds, nuanced thing. You have to really understand to get to the criminality. And i dont think the public just thinks that deep. I think they see the porn star, they see the salaciousness and they got all, this is a guide qizan and his marriage doing trumps been applied one mean, im old enough to remember seeing the magazines on the stand as a kid, trump has been in our life for a really long time. Time doing this kind of stuff and i think that thats where theres a disconnect, laura. I dont think the public they think its about sex with the porn star versus what its really about anything about that to it, since theres no cameras in the courtroom and theres no audio, you dont know if youre not watching all day long and it covers you have no idea who is eliciting that test . Its the money. When you hear that there are conversations about tweets and about missionary positions and who was wearing a condom and whos not you think that thats the prosecution . Who is getting that testimony to come out as Stormy Daniels and it doesnt. And you think okay, well, theyre trying to do this as opposed to how its really coming in and just fuels that same narrative thats part of i think it was nearing the benefit of not having those cameras and the quorum. Thank you, everyone so much. Next, we have one of the first journalist to speak with Stormy Daniels about her story. And he was brought up in court today. 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Now, she says that she first did an interview about the encounter in 2011, but it was never published then in october of 2016, Michael Cohen struck a deal to buy her story in exchange for her silence, the price tag we all know white well by now, 103,000 bucks that deal didnt come to light until 2018, you know, when the Wall Street Journal revealed it a few weeks later then trump attorney Rudy Giuliani confirmed it existed but another reporter almost broke this story first, joining me now is take a weisberg former reporter with slate magazine, who spoke to daniels about the alleged encounter and saw the nondisclosure agreement, jacob. Thank you so much for joining me, im really eager to hear your impression of all this essentially because your name was brought up in court today by the Defense Attorneys whose neck wasnt here is the quote do you recall that in 2016 that at the same time that your lawyer was negotiating with Michael Cohen over a nondisclosure agreement . You were also speaking with the reporter from slate named Jacob Weisberg. Do you recall that daniel response quote, i dont talking with someone from slate. Im not sure the name. Now, for me, i actually called you her backup in court. Tell me about the conversation that took place yes. Well, i actually found my way to her rather than the other way around and it was earlier than october. It was soon after the Republican Convention in 2016. And i was trying to convince her to go public with the story, to give it to me in a form i could use it and she wanted money for this story and i explained to her that slade and other credible News Organizations like cnn, like abc dont pay for stories. She had more experience in kind of a Tabloid World in which they do. And she felt the story had value and she wanted to be paid for it. I think she was kind of indifferent whether she got paid for selling the story or for baking. The story go away. She did. Thats interesting because her motivation has been questioned a great deal as to whether she was into feared for her life. One of the nda to i think the phrase scenes with Hide In Plain Sight that it would give her some protection or that look in the day she wanted the money. But, you in your reaction with interaction with her she just wanted the money or the story to get out oh, i think she was much more interested in the money if shed wanted the story to get out, she wouldve let me use that and it would have come out or she would have given it to another news, urbanization. But i would say that hearing her testimony on tuesday and again today the, facts have been entirely consistent story she told me eight years ago, wouldnt let me use was the same story. Same detailed she spanked him with a rolledup copy of forbes magazine. And i remember i remember all the little bits what has changed, i think is her feelings about that encounter and how she kind of emotional content of the experience when she told me about it back then, she was very dismissive of it. It was no big deal. Trump was ridiculous. She didnt believe anything. He said he said he was going to buy her condo in florida, put her on the apprentice. She wasnt buying any of it. Kind of hoped it might happen, but she didnt believe it now, the way she describes that is something almost closer to date rape. She doesnt use those terms. She doesnt say it was coercive, but she said on the stand that she blacked out while they were having sex and she felt bullied that there was a kind of Power Imbalance again, same facts, different feelings and she does talk about she was challenged on that very point because she says interviews in the past, shes not a victim. She reiterated understand that it was not she was not physically or threatened or harmed anyway describes that is consensual at the same time as youve mentioned, it got the Defense Counsel on their feet, but that was insinuation that it was Something Different than that. Did that shift for the emotional feelings surrounding the event . Did that strike you as odd or make her less credible to you not at all. I mean, she used exactly the same language with me that she wasnt a victim. And you do want a point of comparison. Think about Monica Lewinsky, who came to feel very differently about her Sexual Encounter with bill clinton based on what she came to understand about the Power Imbalance so you can have the same story, but a different relationship to that story, different feelings about the story you actually saw the nda with cohen and asked she asked you what she should do about it. Do you remember that moment she didnt exactly asked me what to do about it. I mean, she was trying to figure out what to do about it. It wasnt signed. She explained to me about these pseudonyms david dennison, there was another document which she hadnt seen it, which i didnt see which explained the key he that this was her and donald trump and she had this lawyer, keith davidson, who negotiating this. And the reason she started talking to me again after a gap in october was she thought trump having made this agreement through Michael Cohen, wasnt going to pay up and she understood enough about him to know that he often makes deals and then reneges on them. And she thought after the election, he wouldnt have the interest in paying the money and she wouldnt get the money. So she was she was and then when when cohen did pet sign the agreement and did pay, then she went silent again with me so she she mentioned the idea of the election being a pivotal point, at least when she thought she would get made whole in her request her entire concern was that after the election, trump would would reneged on the agreement, wouldnt pay her an important detail, Jacob Weisberg. 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The family, releasing a portion of that video tonight and i warn you again, its incredibly disturbing for you the police are saying, quote, or deputy responded to a call of a disturbance in progress when he encountered an armed man tonight, that officer is currently on administrative leave. The Sheriff Department requesting an investigation still the family is demanding more information, insisting the officer went to the wrong apartment. The Sheriff Department, while they refute that. Heres airman fortsons mother and her message, the Sheriffs Department about her now deceased son who does Sheriffs Department. They took my gif. I need you guys to tell the truth about my son i need you to get his reputation right i want to bring in and crump whos representing the fortson family band to hear that mother describe her son as a gift just breaks ones heart into 1 million pieces. How is that family doing tonight . They are devastated beyond this leaf he was the brightest hope for his family. In fact he took care of his mother as well as his 16. Yearold little brother, andre, his ten you angel, harmony he talked about he is living his dream as a United States air force member to give his family a better chance at the american during. They are laura. This is a nightmare for any family and absolute nightmare to think about just watching that unfold the way it did, the amount of time twain, the door opening and the shots fired. And tell me about the Facetime Video that you released tonight what is it that youre alleging happened what his girlfriend was on Facetime Video with him substantial amount of time. And it is troubling. They talk about a disturbance. However so he was in his apartment alone facetime with his girlfriend, with his dog, and there was no disturbance. You look at his history. He is an american patriot. This is a good kid, no criminal history whatsoever. He respects authority. He was registered licensed gun owner they his girlfriend talked about her knock and the door. He asked who was he and his girlfriend didnt hear anybody identify themselves. She said, but then he opened the door and less than a split second, laura, i mean, hes trying to comply. He says step back. Right. Two steps back see this kid compliant . The officer never said drop your weapon and to epa, he shot him. It was on the ground and raju was even compliant then as his fight for his life, he says, drop the weapon and roger said i did. And then you hear on the Facetime Video where he said, i cant breathe, i cant breathe in the office get to talking about dont move, dont move. At many its my what did you try and life saved him i mean, its so troubling. Laura oh, so many i mean, this is not sandi the first time weve even heard about someone being shot in their home by Police Officers and you represented many families. We have all been watching what has been happening. I mean, these are not analogous scenarios. But when it comes to say a botham, john or a breonna taylor, i could go on with a Tatiana Jefferson just to name a few people who were all gifts to their families. Theres an investigation that is now pending we have sometimes seeing what happens and investigations. What do you expect to happen . How are they approaching the investigation is in a way that you feel confident . Well the family as his mother said do not try to justify this unjustified killing that video, laura, at the beginning, somebody from the leasing office, they say, what apartment isnt. She says, im not sure. They asked her again, she says, im not sure, but then she says 1401 apartment. And we believe they were wrong. They were simply at the wrong apartment. There is nothing the jazz that Roger Fortson was in a domestic dispute with anybody. And now this innocent drinks, gets us airman, this gift to his family is dated this is an active duty person as well as secretary of defense, lloyd austin saying through a spokesperson, tonight that he is quote, closely watching the reports of ehrmann for it since fatal shooting. And i do wonder what we might see from the militarys response. Ive what has happened to one of their own way 23 yearold active duty airman, described by his mother as a beloved gift. Ben crump. Thank you so much. Thank you. Laura god bless you thank you to you as well. And i want to thank you all for watching. Our coverage continues trump. Hush money. Trial gavel to gavel coverage. The way only cnn can bring it to you legal. 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