Americans and book your first cleaning today for just 19. Im Katelyn Polantz at the federal court in washington. And this is cnn beep six, donald trump hosts The Apprentice 2024 edition with potential running mates maralago, but with all the challenges of being trumps number two, including a new refusal to rule out violence. Again, if trump loses, who does trump think can deliver four . Kim vp contender north dakota governor doug burgum joins me exclusively next and campus crackdowns, more arrests as colleges tried to turn from chaos to commencement, could protests continue and effect democrats hope for November Biden campaign cochair Mitch Landrieu and former senator and University Of Florida present sen. Ben sas ahead plus star turn riveting trial testimony recalls the damning access Hollywood Tape from trumps 2016 campaign. This was locker room boom, talk. Im not proud of it as the case against trump takes shape, can he defy political expectations again hello im. Jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is auditioning out of port for the weekend. Donald trump was bad in his elements, fueling speculation over who he might choose to be his number two. Yesterday at a Donor Retreat at maralago, mr. Trump called half a dozen a Vice President ial hopefuls up on stage and openly discussed whether one of them might join him on the ticket. In his remarks to top donors, mr. Trump also continued to lie about the 2020 election. He vented about special counsel jack smith and the other lawyers, prosecutor prosecuting him. And he referred to his democratic opponent, joe biden as quote, running a gestapo administration, unquote. He also said, according to the New York Times quote when you are a democrat, you start off essentially at 40 because you have civil service, you have the unions and you have the welfare and dont underestimate welfare. They get welfare to vote unquote. Quite a turnaround from on friday when trump was a criminal defendant compelled to sit in a new york courtroom, find by a judge for violating a gag order and forced to listen as a former top aide, hope hicks described his private reaction to that infamous access Hollywood Tape released in october 2016. Joining me now with one of the Vice President ial contenders on stage at maralago this weekend, north dakota, governor doug burgum, governor bergen. Thank you so much for joining us. So you were there with donald trump last night at maralago . Fogbow, where he claimed biden was like the gestapo, referring to the nazi secret police. Are you comfortable with the Presumptive Republican president ial nominee comparing the Biden Administration to the gestapo well, jake, first great to be with you and i would say yesterday we had an opportunity to listen to the president talked for 90 minutes without a Teleprompter Covering a wide range of topics and largely very upbeat because if the election was held today, trump would be winning and relative to the reference youre discussing, i mean, there was a short comment deep into the thing that wasnt really central to what he was talking about. But i understand when and i think americans understand and majority of americans feel like the trial that hes in right now is politically motivated. And if it was anybody else, this trial wouldnt even be happening. So i understand that he feels that hes being unfairly treated and i think thats reasonable that someone whos being kept off the Campaign Trail is the presumptive nominee is got some frustration about that. So a public trial with witnesses, the jury, defense counsel, thats like the gestapo, the nazis for police well, he certainly didnt say that yesterday and he wasnt referring to this trial when he made that when he made that discovery, made that comment but i do think that people understand that. I mean, im a business guy. This is a business filing case. If it was anybody other than a president ial candidate, this would be a misdemeanor. How it got turned turned into 34 felonies when it isnt even the alleged crime, which is they havent even convinced anybody there was a crime. But if it were, it would be a federal Election Commission crime and that would be pursued by the federal federal courts, not by a county da in new york. And so i think again, americans, the outcome of this trial doesnt affect them. What affects them is joe joe bidens policies, the inflation thats taken 30 of their savings. I come like A Thief In The Night Inflations than insidious tax that takes money away from people that need it the most at the low end of the income scale. And so the trial is maybe a spectacle for cable tv, but rami average America Perkins have already baked in what they think about President Trump, President Biden, theyre looking at the policies, not at the people, and they were better off on her chosen trumps policies. According to polling a plurality of the American People think that President Trump did commit a crime when it comes to this case and if you add in those who think it was unethical, but not illegal, its a vast majority let me just ask you if donald trump becomes a convicted felon because of this case, will that affect your support for him for president well if he becomes a convicted felon in this case, thats a just a travesty of justice because as i just had, when youve got a business filing error, that is for something that was again, its not illegal to pay people for nondisclosure agreements that happens all the time. Sure. This network and others have done that. So thats not a legal. And then youve got a again to trying to do this. And the only reason this trial is happening right now, its the only one that could actually be brought forward. The other four couldnt be brought the other three of the four couldnt be brought forward before the election. So this one is largely intended to try to achieve a result before the election. And then you can be assured as americans would know, that any kind of appeal would be pushed until after the election. So thats why everybody sees this is politically motivated. And like i said filing error is not something that would affect any American People that are trying to put food on the table and gas in the car. It doesnt affect check them. And so it this is why the outcome of this trial is not going to change. A lot of peoples minds. It might actually, in some ways help President Trump because it reinforces the idea that the Biden Administration is willing to use lawfare to try to attack a political opponent. Theres no evidence that joe biden has anything to do with this case from brought forward by District Attorney bragg and you keep its grabbing theres a filing error. I guess thats one interpretation. Another interpretation is that Donald Trumps attorney, michael cohen, paid hush money for to hide from the American People before the election. The fact that mr. Trump had had a rendezvous with a porn star, and that they wanted to hide that from the American People until after the election. So far the the evidence and ive seen suggests there are at least was some political motivation to this and they hit it so as to hide that from the public. Thats a little bit more than just checking wrong box on a form. But lets move on because i want to ask you about Something Else, mr. Trump said he the New York Times reported that that last night mr. Trump said that some americans get quote, welfare to vote is that how you see the electorate . You have, i think more than 100,000. North dakota is on medicaid. Are they getting welfare to vote . No one, i dont think. Thats the intention that he meant when he when he said that, but i i do think that what we have here is the when joe biden, he cant campaign on i mean, its open border policies. 2016. That was about immigration. Now, its about National Security and Public Safety and open borders is something the majority americans are very concerned about inflation touches every single american. The wars that are breaking out Around The World. So in places where where President Trump had success, joe bidens having failure, where President Trump was strong. Joe biden has been weak. And so thats what people are actually thinking about. But then you throw on top of things like the Student Loan Debt and you start trying to give away hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money. Its not even its like were borrowing to give it away. Its not tax and spend its borrow, borrow from the chinese and give it away when you see those, those citizens understand, those are like pre election payoffs. Those are like, hey, folks, please hes vote for us because were relieving your debt. So at what point is It Crossover Programs like student debt, to just vote buying and i think again, the people that are working hard and are paying off their debts and arent getting loan relief, are saying, hey, this is just isnt fair and america, people want things to be fair, not unfair and i think its clear that theres theres vote buying going on at a scale like never seen before. Does that offend you more than donald trump telling the room full of donors, wealthy people, millionaires, billionaires that hes going to cut their taxes is that, is that buying votes any different . Well, first of all, i just reject the whole premise of this idea of wealthy donors. I mean, the room of people that were there yesterday are all people that were job creators. These are, these are americans that were took risks that the not wealthy. Sometimes risk everything they had to start to start the business. While theyre wealthy now, because the american system of capitalism worked for them to create jobs to help them build their communities. These are among the most generous people in the country. Theyre the ones that are giving back to their two philanthropic efforts in building strong communities. They care about their kids and their grandkids because theyve been successful and because theyve worked on hard is not somehow that they should be disparaged. This is what we should be celebrating and these people represent the American Dream. And part of the way the American Dream word is when we have low taxes and low regulation and joe biden wants to ease proposing the largest tax increase in the history of america and proud of it, thats yeah, i wasnt disparaging them, but let me ask you something because its Something Else donald trump said in an interview with the milwaukee journal sentinel, and also with Time Magazine, hes refusing to commit to accepting the results of the 2024 election he told them walking journal sentinel quote, if everythings honest, ill gladly accept the results. I dont change on that if its not, you have to fight for the right of the country. Echoing language he used on january 6 when Time Magazine asked him about potential violence if he loses, he said, quote, if we dont win, you know, it depends. Now, you called the violence on january 6, reprehensible and you said it does not represent american values. Donald trump has openly discussing right now, pardoning all of the january 6 criminals. I think that you heard a song from them last night at the fundraiser in those criminals, by the way, include those who have been convicted in an American Court of violently attacking police. Hes talking about pardoning them and he seems to be leaving the door open to potential violence if he loses again based on comments youve made in the past, that that musk concern you well, i think the bigger context here. Jake is really about elections in america. I mean, you go back in my lifetime when 1960, it came down to one county. We talk about an election like its one thing in our country, but elections are still run at the state, the county, and the precinct level. And in cook county, it was very close between kennedy and nixon. Nixon conceded in 2000, theyve made movies about it and that election was contested for two months. In the courts afterwards. And it was so it came down to Broward County and some Hanging Chads in 2016, this network and many others challenge the results of the 26 claiming that there was an interference. We never challenge the results. Theres plenty more stories supporting sporting that im talking about the violin itself have decried yes. Well, you know, im im looking forward to next january when Vice President harris certifies the election for donald trump. I mean, the American People are the ones that get to decide these elections. But for both parties and for all americans, weve got to make sure that in every county, every precinct is beyond reproach that everybody can be confident in our country and north dakota, were doing that. Nobodys questioning the results of an election in any county or precinct in north dakota. It can be done, its done all over the nation except for in some cases, weve got, we couldnt have a handful of counties that this election could turn on again, and weve just got to make sure that when its done, both sides feel good about how it was counted. Do you believe joe biden won the 2020 election i i believe that joe biden won the 2020 election, but i also, based on the number of votes are in, but i think that because of covid there was a huge number of irregularities because we changed a bunch of rules in certain places and certain precincts in certain states and the number of male out ballots, not mailin. We do Absentee Ballots and north dakota, we do use make sure were verifying signatures. But when youre mailing out more ballots than there are people that are actually italy on the registers for the voting roles that creates a massive moral hazard. And then when youve got Unmonitored Drop Boxes and a bunch of single bullet votes that only vote for one candidate. I think all of us have to say is that the way we want to have elections . I dont know what it is it was a special case i mean, you agree with lets take a vote as a ballot that comes in, were its very unusual to get that many ballots where someone just votes for president and not for anybody else down ballot. Thats what im talking about Attorneys General that is a attorney general. Bill barr said that there was no significant fraud that would have changed the results so of the 2020 election, do you disagree with that or do you agree with that well, again, were talking about what are you talking about . What happened before the ballots came in or after they came out with we counted up all the ballots in this yeah. And im saying i just said it. I think that there was a special set of circumstances around covid where we had did things. Weve never done before. The millions of mail out ballots was a new thing for america. And when you mail out more ballots and they just go out to, i mean, i know people in states where they got three ballots mailed to them thats a problem and we should all be concerned about that. But im looking forward. We were talking about that, making sure that the 2024 election is secure and theres no need to keep relitigating 2020. We got to talk about the policies that are going to help people understand. Again, how do we make america safe . How do we get our economy strong again, how do we secure our borders . President trump is going to, is gonna do all those things. And this is a unique point in history because we havent, since grover cleveland, we havent had a former president running against the current president. So americans have got a better chance than ever to say, was i better . Her off under President Trump than i am under biden. And the answer for the majority of people is that they were better off under President Trump. So just quickly if you could, if President Trump asks you to services Vice President , will you say yes . Well, i think any of that right now is all speculation. I mean, as you open the show talking about the vip stakes and the group of people on stage. He couldnt get if youd add any more on there, theyve been fallen off the stage. And prior to that, he said there was 50. So i think the shortlist needs to be modified maybe theres a list of 50 if im on it who who would know, but its not why im out supporting the president right now is someone that runs a Natural Resource state. As a governor, ive had a chance to serve under President Trump has governor and under President Biden and i can tell you the difference is night and day for our citizens for our Small Businesses, because right now were under a barrage of red tape. Thats trying to basically shut down us energy. We were a big energy state and when we shut down us energy, the supply gets filled by other suppliers Around The World who produce it less cleanly than we do. So its, it drives inflation up, it destabilizes the world. It creates its puts money in the pocket of russia and iran and venezuela, our adversaries. And then it makes the environment less clean. And so its a trifecta of being in the wrong direction on joe Bidens Energy policies. And i understand that thats if we dont get that turned around the us is going to continue to be in decline relative to our position in the world is strong. Energy policy is going to be good for the worlds environment and its good for how we compete with china and russia and all the challenges we have in front of us, north dakota governor doug burgum. Thanks so much for joining us today really appreciate it, sir. 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Thank you so much for joining us President Biden condemned the escalating unrest on College Campuses this week, he called this a moment for clarity clarity, but, but even after the Orthodox Rabbi at columbia told jewish students to leave campus because it wasnt safe for them it still took a week and a half. I mean, that was two weeks ago that that happened. It still took a weekandahalf for President Biden to address the nation on this. And only then after pressure from republicans that even some democrats, why, why did it take so long if this moment called for clarity why was it so slow in coming . Well, first of all the First Amendment is critically important the president has always believed that people ought to have the opportunity to redress of grievances a government, this is not something new, its been gone on since the beginning of our time you see different campuses handling this in a different way. And finally, you see some campuses doing this better than others. The president has been very strong about this from the beginning. And the president came out the other de, and as he said, as he has always said, he understands that people have a right to protest, but they have to do so peacefully. But when it turns violent, thats when things have to end. Youre going to have a University President on after you have me on. And theyre going to continue to work through this, but the president has been very clear about this. Hes also been very strong about the need to stamp out antisemitism and islamophobia. Its very difficult time, very passionate opinions on both sides this issue the president has been handling it, i think very, very well, and hes going to continue to do so. Ive seen some pretty ugly antisemitic incidents, right where you are at Tulane University in new orleans months ago, i saw that it was caught on Video Politico has a story out this morning noting that a lot of the multimillionaires and billionaires funding, the most it explicitly anti israel groups, ones that think israel has no right to exist that are active on campuses that these groups are funded by big biden donors, the pritzkers, the gatess, george soros, David Rockefeller junior. Should they stop funding these groups . Are they causing unrest for the American People . Well, let me say this. I think that everybody has, the president has said nice to kind of get focused in on the very Core Principles of what i constitution allows and what our constitution protects. And that is this. Everybody has a right to protest, but they have to protest peacefully if theyre probe violently, that has to end. Theres no place for that. Theres no place for anissa semitism. Theres no place for islamophobia. Everybody has got a really get close to that understand that, and continue to act in accord with that. Heres what senator Bernie Sanders told cnn a few days ago about what the impact of bidens handling of the gaza crisis and these protests might be maybe of bidens vietnam or Lyndon Johnson in many respects, was a very very good president domestically. You chose not to run, in 68 because of opposition to his views on vietnam. And i worried were very much that President Biden is putting himself in a position where he has alienated not just young people, but a lot of the Democratic Base as President Bidens strongest ally in the Ascendant Progressive Wing of your party, warning that joe biden might end up like lbj how seriously do you take that warning . Well first of all, i think comparing it to vietnam isnt overexaggeration. This is a very different circumstance. I think that people who actually live through that very difficult time that would say that this isnt comparable. However that is not to say that this is not a very serious matter. Senator sanders also said a couple of weeks ago that notwithstanding where we are at this difficult time, that doesnt leave any good options for anybody that young people have a wonderful reason to vote for joe biden because they interested in climate that interested in their freedom is being taken away. They interested in relief of student debt. This is, as it has been, and jacob covered this very, very well. Theyre not a lot of great options on the table for anybody as a result of the Terrorist Attack that hamas invoked on october 7. And what has happened since then. The president , as you know, has been very strong in his call for Bibi Netanyahu to make sure that this humanitarian aid, make sure that the Hostage Crisis get resolved sooner rather than later. And then we get to a ceasefire. As soon as practically possible. I know that the Biden Campaign, the Bidenharris Campaign sees its support for Abortion Rights as a real asset for november. I have to note that it is 50 years in politics and ive been covering him for, i dont know, 25 of them joe biden it has been all over the map on abortion and 74, he said roe v. Wade went too far and then a woman should not have quote, the sole right to say what had happened to her body unquote. That was a long time ago, of course, 2006, he said, quote, i do not view abortion as a choice and a right just this year he said, quote, ive never been supportive of, you know, its my body. I can do what i want with it, unquote by his own admission, biden is an odd man out with his party on abortion. Do you think his own long complicated history on this issue, do you think it muddies his message and undermines the contrast with donald trump . Well, lets be clear about what the facts are here first, which is donald trump appointed three Supreme Court justices to the Supreme Court. For the specific purpose of Obliterating Roe Versus Wade and starting a war on women. And donald trump just this week in Time Magazine, when given a chance to think about how he was when he was president said that his biggest mistake was he wasnt mean enough. Then went on to talk about the fact that states, states, meaning Police Powers can actually monitor womens pregnancies and has said, when asked about what the repercussions of that are. Well, its going to be what its going to be, and the states have actually taking him up on that. So you have seen in the state of texas, youve seen an oklahoma, youve seen in florida incredible instances where women have lives have been threatened. That as Donald Trumps record, joe biden obviously has evolved over time. But in the last eight years of his life since his presidency, he has been very strong in his support of a very simple notion that he trust women to make decisions about their reproductive health. Donald trump trust the states that is kind of where it is right now and that is where both of them say they will govern from. I think most of the people in this country agree with joe bidens position on this issue. And i think theyre going to vote that way in the coming months. All right. Merely andrew, its always good to have you on. Thank you so much, sir. And joy he spoke his mind as a republican senator. Now that he leads a large university, what does ben sas think about the Campus Protests . Ill ask him next . Five good things. Listen wherever you get your podcasts i consumer cellular, we offer amazing 5g coverage backed up by Incredible Customer Service but that wouldnt mean much without super low prices you already know were up to half as much as the largest carriers. 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Were watching a developing story out of los angeles this morning where the university of southern californias said as the lapd is moving to clear these propalestinian antiwar encampments usc says in a new message that quote, people who dont leave could be arrested unquote this all comes after protesters at the University Of Michigan this weekend interrupted Commencement Ceremonies saturday the University Of Florida warned that quote, the university is not a daycare and we do not treat protesters like children so when it gets down to discuss, is the president of the University Of Florida, former Nebraska Republican senator ben sas. Do i call you senator . Do i call you precedent . Im not sure what im supposed to call you ben is good. Then its a glorious morning and gainesville, you gotta get out of here. Jake, ill call you back. I guess it feels weird though, so weve seen some disruptions already at the University Of Michigan this weekend. Other schools like columbia, obviously its been held for a lot of students and faculty there for weeks University Of Florida is holding Graduation Ceremonies this weekend. Multiple ceremonies what are you seeing . Are they being disrupted by protesters . Whats going on where you are . Its its pretty glorious, its an amazing day for a commencement. We have three more today. We have 17 colleges and schools were through about two thirds of our commenced cements. Theyre not being disrupted. What jav is a lot of tears of moms of firstgen kids store on their arms around their kids as they get to graduate. Obviously, a lot of these kids graduated high school four years ago. And because of covid, they didnt get a commencement. Its been a pretty glorious weekend to celebration around here. So that is what probably passions about gaza and israel aside, thats probably what most parents and students would want is a commencement where their accomplishments are celebrated. Obviously, however, there are free speech leinz and free speech and debate that we also hold, hold dearly in this country. Its interesting because notably after Governor Desantis ordered campuses at florida to deactivate a more radical propeller lets do an in group called students for justice in palestine. You opted to not do so because the freespeech concerns where does a University President draw a line between free speech concerns with the right of every student on campus to feel safe and secure. And also frankly to enjoy college and graduation their here great question. I think the line is between speech and action im a First Amendment zealot and its a glorious thing that our First Amendment gives us free speech freedom of religion, press assembly, protest or redress of grievances are five glorious freedoms in the First Amendment and what we tell all of our students, protesters and non is there two things were going to affirm over and over again. We will always defend your right to free speech and Free Assembly and all so we have time, place, and manner restrictions, and you dont get a takeover. The whole University People dont get a spin at cobb. She dont get a barricade yourselves in buildings. You dont get to disrupt somebody elses commencement but we dont allow protest inside. Im on my run this morning after i left the swamp, which is our football stadium, i got to run the state him this morning. I ran by our group of protesters waving their policy the name flag, we protect their right to do that, but we have rules and one of those rules is we dont allow camping on campus. And so you cant start to build an encampment, but our goal is not to arrest people. Its to help them get into compliance with the rules. They can protest, they can try in a persuade people, but they dont get a bill the camp, nobody, nobody else does either. So some of the Student Groups that have been protesting on the University Of Florida campus released a list of demands that divesting from companies that do business with israel or support military Industrial Complex as it were. I imagine youre not on board with that, but there are some smaller steps that theyre requesting, such as disclosure of the schools investment portfolio, creating a Student Panel to give input on investments. Would you maybe be open to any of that . We just dont negotiate with people who screamed the loudest that i just doesnt make any sense to me. We believe in the right of free speech. We believe in the right of Free Assembly. And you can try to persuade bait ball but what you see happening on so many campuses across the country is instead of drawing the line at speech and action a lot of universities bizarrely give the most attention and most voice to the smallest angry us group and its just not what were gonna do here you say you have the highest number of jewish students of any campus in the nation. Do youre jewish . Students feel safe, do youre Muslim Students feel safe i want everybody to feel safe here because i want everybody to be safe here. And i think right now everybody is safe. It was pretty great to get to celebrate seder weaken a couple of days ago we are the most Jewish School in the country. Were very proud of that are chabad, are hilal our greek life, jewish fraternities and sororities. Weve got some real special communities. We have plural communities inside this place, and were excited to lift them all up. And i think everybodys safe here and its a its a pretty special community president. Biden said on thursday that quote, descent is essential to democracy, but dissent must never lead to disorder violent protest is not protected peaceful protest is as a University President , do you wish that the Department Of Education or President Biden were doing anything differently well you know jake that ive made a pledge, ive taken a 36 month pledge of partisan celibacy, i think is the term i use. So i dont get near policy issues that get to the edge of politics. And were obviously in an election year. So i wont comment much on the president s positions or the Department Of Educations positions, but i will just say that its pretty obvious that theres not enough education patient happening on campuses across the country when we have all the screaming going on from the river to the sea, which river, which see, where are we discussing this in class . You know, when you, when you have para glider means replacing che guevara tshirts. I want to say which pair of gliders, the ones that the savages who raped teenage girls at a concert, like, i think universities and University Board of trustees need to step up and mine in shops more so there are definitely some policy changes maybe beyond my 36 month mark. Ill make more public arguments about ways that i think the Department Education could do more to advance healthy, higher read for 18 to 22 years, twoyearolds in the country. But right now i think we need a lot more university leaderships and a lot more boards of trustees to be asking fundamental questions about whether or not education patient has happened in our campuses before i let you go, i do have to Ask Donald Trump is once again the republican nominee for president in 2024. I think i know what youre going to answer is the answer is going to be, but you were one of seven republican senators who voted to convict him in his Impeachment Trial after january 6, 2021, should we interpret your vote as your view of his fitness for the presidency ive made a pledge and i keep my word. I dont i dont talk about all texas for 36 months. So the former president has an asked my advice on much. We obviously disagreed on a ton of stuff, but interpersonally, we could wrestle together pretty well but i dont im talking about politics. Im not im not good at ducking, but i get my word that im ducking politics for 36 months. But if you want to get into the really important politics of the future of College Football . Let me back on University Of Florida president then sas, its good to see you, sir. You look 15 years younger thanks, jake. Good to see you. Thanks for the invite. Vice president ial hopefuls auditioning for donald trump this weekend. Who is he likely to . 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Free keepsake app. We would love a chance to frame it for you this is cnn wounds news what im gonna do from now on until we get to novembers continue to go across this country and talk to people about donald trump, talked to him about how hes the right man in the white house. Get an opportunity to serve under President Trump. But ive had an opportunity to try to lead a state under President Bidens like a beautiful winning your back or a gale force when at your face, i think its important to support President Trump has republicans because i think he was a good president and i think he made the country more prosperous walker back to this date, are they . Union the vip stakes to be done, trumps running mate in full swing. My panel joins me to discuss. So first of all, we should acknowledge governor burgum coming on the show. He didnt do it to audition for the role, but it is something of an audition for the surrogate role. How do you think he did . Well, he just looked like he didnt believe half of what he was saying. He just seemed uncomfortable and it just is such a reminder. That this process, in addition to be vp for donald trump, is such a parade of debasement you just watch these people sort of have to put forward. Yes. I believe joe biden won the election, but let me explain why all of the votes werent, why things shouldnt be counted the way they were counted. I mean, you take otherwise some otherwise serious people and just watch them like kowtow to donald trump. And the only other thing i would say about his conversation, it was amusing to me to him defend Donald Trumps framing of student Debt Forgiveness is paying voters are welfare for voters when i believe doug burgum was the one who was handing out 20 gift cards to people to get them to donate to his campaign. It might have even been your dollar goes. I found that i found that interesting. What did you make of it all . Well, i went through the vip stakes in 2016 with then governor pence. I always ask the same question for all of the candidates, not just doug burgum is what do you bring to the president ial campaign that they think they need or they want more of, because thats really what Vice President ial picks do. Usually its either demographic, geographic, a policy area, or to unite the party. And so for all of these names, im like, what do you offer them that they want . So let me just bring in some sound for one of the other beef steaks, hopefuls, jd vance of senator from ohio, author of Hillbilly Elegy he was on Kaitlan Collins show the the other night talking about january 6. Take a listen im skeptical that mike pences life was ever in danger. I think politics and politics people like to really exaggerate things from time to time if they wanted to hang him look, caitlin did a few people say some bad things . Sure. But do we blame donald trump for every bad thing thats ever been said im going to come to you in a second, but you worked for pants. I mean what do you think . I mean, i dont think it was well answered. No put it this way or this way. I in one way, he is protected. He at the time he was protected by the United States secret service. His life was probably not indirect jeopardy. They would have gotten him out of there if they had to if they had to pick him up and carry them but were there people that were coming after him . Yes. What do you make of that answer just a little light hanging by the way it has hanging hang jd vance is from My Home State Of Ohio and the trajectory of his some has ideologies has shifted greatly ever since he want it to become a senator and get trumps endorsements. And so you saw him at some point go after donald trump opposed donald trump question some of Donald Trumps behavior. And then, now you see him flipping like most of the people who are on his shortlist for Vice President , the thing that makes me so nervous about this and the reason why it was a poorly answered question is because mike pence had to certify the election and everyone is wants our democracy to stand strong. Well, on january 6, donald trump pushed our democracy to the brink of breaking. And whoever he selects as his Vice President , we need to know what theyre going to do if he wins on in november so i its yet again, a frustrating position to be in because people are picking literally politics in this man who wants to destroy our democracy over the country, they swear they will sell. It was interesting to hear governor burg, im talking about when Vice President harris is going to certify the election in favor of donald trump. The next january and acknowledgement that the Vice President does not have the power to throw it all away you are the man, the post dog photos every morning on twitter so i want to get your perspective. Here is a political headline or politico article. Kristie, no Damage Control tours in full swing. It appears destined for the same fate as her late dog cricket dead in a gravel pit somewhere near pierre i have to say that is a great lead what do you make of why she why she did any of this, the killing of cricket, et cetera, et cetera. Well, its its a good set of first of all, let me just say, i i condemn shooting puppies. Just i want to go out there. Im on a limb. I know this issue bold i do love the idea of someone writing a book Called Never Go Back or dont go back, going back and revising her book theres also about her meeting with kim jong un. Thats right but i think the question actually ties up an important point. I agree with mark entirely on the the four things that people that campaigns look for and Vice President s but theres one, there theres the fifth kind of heat here, right . Which is trump, is looking for something, looking for someone to be a Vice President ial. Roy cohn, someone whos willing to say and do anything in his defense. And thats why i think burgum did poorly today. Its because burgum was unconvincing. I mean, if you look closely, you can see him blinking in morse code. I dont really believe the things i am saying right . And he wants someone to fully commit and i think what kristi noem was doing in that book was, pardon the expression dog whistling. And ill the donald trump, that on the the advice of people like corey lewandowski, that she was willing to know each other there are real guy that affect keep going and that you have to prove that youre willing to say and do anything on behalf. The messy, ugly stuff on behalf of donald trump, if you want to be as vip and i think that was the theory. So we only have a minute left. But speaking of a messy, ugly we still have hope hicks testified on friday and trump wanted to know how it was playing. This is about the Stormy Daniels and just my thoughts and opinion about the story versus having the story a different kind of story before the campaign had michael not may paid that, made that payment. And i think mr. Trumps opinion was it was better to be dealing with it now, after the election, and that would have been bad to have that story come out before the flexion. Its still its still gonna be up to the jury whether or not that is definitive but it does seem to suggest that the politics were at play. It does. I mean, i think she that was pretty damning testimony and shes somebody who knows donald trump knows him intimately, knows how he thinks in her presenting that picture of him saying effectively, this was politically better for me to come out when it did. Thats pretty damning that pretty much undermines the entire defense, but she did add that she was he was worried about how itd be received by mr. Trump because hes dropped as well. Of course. Thank you so much for being here. I want to tell you about somebody that my family we lost this week and what i came to understand about what this man taught himself in life. And thats next how it really happened tonight at nine on cnn from friends coming over moms coming over so many ways to save life ready while it happy. But 3605 by Whole Foods Market its really been a gift having mom live with us but as a nurse, my training told me she needed more help than i could provide. So i connected with a place for mom, my Senior Living advisor. 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