Cnns Breaking News welcome to the lead. Im Phil Mattingly in for jake tapper today and we are live outside the new york courthouse where today one of dahman ill trumps most loyal aids in the first four, Trump White House employee to testify, took the stand in the hush money cover up trial. Hope hicks acknowledged to the jury she was nervous to testify at times she giggled in one instance, actually cried on the stand leading to a brief delay in the trial now hits describes starting to work for the Trump Organization weve 14 before becoming the Trump Campaign spokeswoman in the 2016 race. And ultimately, the White House Communications director. Now she testified about the campaigns panic behind the scenes when they learned of the now infamous this access Hollywood Tape that donald trump was upset when he heard the news and staffers agreed that this was a crisis. Picks one on the testify that showing learn about Karen Mcdougal, who alleged aid nearly yearlong affair with donald trump when contacted by the Wall Street Journal just four days before the 2016 election, want to dive right in with cnn chief Legal Affairs correspondent paul read them. It hadnt criminal Defense Attorney stacey schneider, police are with you because this was a a significant day. Everyone was waiting for hope picks to testify, see where she was gonna go with things, given her proximity to the former president. But the atmosphere i think was also critical in this moment. Hope hicks said from the top, im very nervous. Yeah she cried at one point. What was going on in built to a crescendo because at the end of her direct examination from prosecutors, she testified that trump told her he was aware of the payment that cohen had made it to keep Stormy Daniels quiet because remember the heart of this is allegations that he falsified Business Records that appeared to be a retainer for cohen, but this yes, the trump is aware that cohen paid daniels and knew it wasnt for legal services, that it was indeed hush money. And he also told her that he knew that suppressing that story was a good big ahead of the election, whose glad that it got out after the election and thats all very powerful for the prosecutors case. And it was a few moments after she said that while they were switching to Defense Lawyers, that she broke down on the stand, whatever colleagues and sayyed said, it was issue realized that she had just provided something really damaging against reformer boss. Now, well say once Defense Attorney has got a crack at her, she also provided some helpful testimony to them, most notably that trump was concerned about the impact that the Karen Mcdougal story went have on his wife. And thats really a large part of the defense. So definitely the most emotional day that weve seen on the stand so far into that point, the build from the prosecution laying out the entire timeline over the course of several hours and it was at the very end that we got those critical moments from from hope hicks, apollo was just detailing what do think the jurys take away from today should be . Today was like a blockbuster of testimony from hope hicks. It was unbelievable. There were so many points scored for the prosecutions case, which is this builds up and background of the story leading up to the election and why allegedly Michael Cohens payment to Stormy Daniels was in aid of the campaign as the prosecution has gotten previous witness to testify to what was also what was happening here. Here in which the jury was taking in, was that every time hope hicks described Michael Cohen, it was what was with this tastes theres this theme coming out from the defense, from trumps team that Michael Cohen mightve got gone rogue on this and theyre going to try to prove it. So by Stormy Daniels saying he was inserting himself in the campaign it wasnt really part of it, but he was called im sorry. Not sorry. Okay. Thank you. Were expect a lot of different layers is coming we there are a lot of little tidbits that hope hicks toss to the defense, even though shes the prosecution witness. But when paul was describing her crying, i think its so significant because of the fact that the defense is in calling her as a witness, and she and trump had a very long term excellent relationship. He was very fond of her. They sell out in 2022. And for her to be crying on the stand. I i know what that feels like because hes scary and she knew that she had stepped into it and said something that was not going to help him when she revealed that he was aware of the payments to stormy, daniels, even though that was after the election, it shows knowledge and intent and we are not expecting we meaning the attorneys who tried these cases the time. No way. I dont care what donald trump says. I dont think hes going to take that stand. It would be way too dangerous to what you were saying that there were points that okay. Said during the cross that are effective its such a good background. I hope hicks, because shes not one of those people who totally turn on donald trump, right . She hasnt had books, she has been on cable tv, she hasnt gone completely against him. Theres no sense of veterans have much publicly at all and there were points during crossexamination worth the defense got what they wanted, that he is very short yeah absolutely. Even on direct, she had very warm comments even though theyve been a strange since the january 6 investigation, there were very warm comments that she had about his gift for messaging, his work ethic. Shes clearly not someone who is hostile to, the defendant. And so that makes it more powerful. Anything that they can get out of her and on defense on the different crossexamination. Not only did she talk about how concern trump legitimately was about the impact this could have in his family. She also talked again about Michael Cohen cohen, as i keep saying, no one has anything nice to say about Michael Cohen is the one thing that unites both sides of this case is no matter who is doing the questioning, something negative about about Michael Cohen always comes out and youre just talking about how he was the fixer. But as because hes using a broken things and im laura charitable commissions are laughing and i laughed when i read i love when she said Michael Cohen doesnt have a decent are nice bone in his body but its Something Like that. It should everyone is just so against Michael Cohen. But the Big Takeaway From Folk Six testimony is Michael Cohen, no matter how hard trumps defense is trying to distance Michael Cohen from campaign activity. Hes still calling hope hicks all the time and saying, ive got this intel on Stormy Daniels ive got a negative statement on story. Daniels retracting the story so campaign dont worry because ive got it covered. So you know, whether he was in the campaign or out of the campaign . Youre acting as trumps attorney its all Connect Trumps world is all connected. The campaign, because private life, Michael Cohen, and even though we were talking about just now and throughout the broadcast today, how the defense scored this victory because they were able to get hope hicks to say yeah, trump was really worried about melania well, why wouldnt he be hey, its an allegation about an affair. Its disruptive, but that doesnt take away the motive and the intent and the concern trump would very likely have on his campaign and bringing in the whole trial is about bringing all of these witnesses into show. Trumps motive and can end intent allegedly was to benefit his campaign his family may have been a motive what is likely secondary considering all the machinations weve seen so far, and were not even halfway through the trial. Right. And so pushing towards that one where they directly connected to the former president , which is clearly sophie had been trying to do, right. Guys stay with me. I do want to bring in cnn political commentator alyssa farah griffin. She wasnt White House Communications director under former president trump. It and im not sure you can find a lot of people who have a kind of a more analogous path. Then hope hicks, then you, alicia, on some level, including the idea youve testified in front of different panels related to the former president. Youve held the roi, youve been in the rooms as you guys have been trying to figure out how to respond to crises once, specifically. But im interested. You worked in the same white house at the same time in 2020. What did you what was your read on how who picks was today lets said, i thought it was a mixed bag and i expected that i said as much in advance hope hicks is not me. I was never expecting i was going to welcome her to the Trump Resistance after this testimony. Her testimony was never going to be Cassidy Hutchinson going in front of the january 6 committee. She is somebody who is loyal to trump to the very end. She never spoke out about january 6. You just kind of quietly went into the night. We learned that i guess they havent been in communication and some time. But i think what she did, shes a very shrewd person. Shes calculating how she operates. She was there under subpoena and she said exactly what she needed to say to not perjured herself to not incriminate herself, but nothing more than that. So yes, there were some wins for the prosecution. Obviously acknowledging are being able to state that trump acknowledged the payment that Michael Cohen made. That was a big win, but there were also some key ones for the defense. And i i have to think thats by design. She has such genuine affection for donald trump for his family. She was almost like an extended member of his family, so i think this explanation about he wanted to make his family proud. You didnt want Melania Trump to see the newspapers. I think thats going to resonate with the jury, and i just want to share one thing, stephanie grisham, who was sort of what hope picks was to trump to melania. Trump pointed out that Melania Trump consuming all of her nose. Shes a voracious reader on social media and online, not through print newspapers. So that wouldnt have really helped her from learning about this just as a factual matter. But i think it was an incredibly mixed bag. If that was the key star witness, you know, i dont know that. I think its a rock solid case in many ways. Can i see you make a really important distinction about kind of your path host white house, and hope hicks, his path, which i think people need to understand it. And when you think about that, what do you think it was like for hope hicks to be in a courtroom ten feet away from the former president in front of a jury and the highstakes case like this yeah, i couldnt help but think about that because she had such a close relationship to donald trump. I think this was truly emotional for her. I mean, this is someone unlike other senior staff like myself, she would go and have dinner at ivanka and jarretts house. She was close with the family like truly a friend of the family. So i think for her this was a lot more she felt like she was having to testify against somebody that she cared about for someone like me and others who spoke out just about his and fitness for office. The, you know, just the oat trying to overturn the election, the events around january 6, it was frankly a lot less emotional. It was truly just this is whats right for the country. Its the obligation we felt we had as Public Servants who collected a taxpayer salary. This is a very different individual without regard that said shes credible. Shes in the room. I think she shared some incredibly useful information in did if anything, giving clear, very clear, made clear that donald trump was aware of this payment from that Michael Cohen made on his behalf yes, theres no question about that. And i think, you know quite well that he was involved in everything when it came to statements and the life despite what may have been presented but otherwise, lets fair, griffin, its always but thanks so much. Thank you blake, dramatic day. For sure at the trump hush money to cover up trial. What it was like to be inside the courtroom today . Once trumps most loyal advisers spent hours on the san are laura coates, she just out from the course is gonna join me next with us imagine a future where plastic is not wasted but instead remade over and over into the things that keep our food fresher. Our families safer in our planet, cleaner to help us get there. 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Oh, well, that current contained can you i mean, the idea that we were all waiting to hear from somebody whos maybe the connection between the campaign. Remember the whole purpose of the prosecutions argument is that this was all done to try to benefit the campaign payne while she is that link to get us from the stories of cachin kill two. Now what happened, what was striking to watch the former president walking to the courtroom. Youre talking about somebody who you are so accustomed to being in these opulent settings by design and intentionally, here he is an ordinary defendant in a criminal courtroom where a judge walks into the corner courtroom and just says, is the next witness ready . Were jurors are filing in, walking behind him. Where you would normally have a buffer zone thats quite extensive secret service. Now youve got Different Court personnel who were lining the hallway i want lining the actual aisle, but in all respects, it showed you just how this is an actual criminal proceeding in this level was also striking to me was how emotional hope hicks became. It was a moment that i think people were not expecting to see i dont want to rub it explain it to you because theres no cameras in the court, right . Were reading for sensational reporters were getting a slide feeds if everythings being spoken. You were involved in that today too. We appreciate it. But it didnt seem like there was anything that drove that moment. And then all sudden theyre taking a break. Shes trying to stand what happened. There are two moments you can point that. So when she was done during examination, shed been talking her body was turned toward the jury. Most of the time away from the former president in stage, she was answering her questions towards parts the jury, and then the direct examination ended where the prosecution ended on in discussion about a point whether she believed that the campaign would have been impacted by the publication of these articles are of these stories and she acknowledged and back was the case. Then there was a moment when a male beauvais, the attorney for donald trump, came up and took to the left term. And when he got up, he had an ordinary questions bill essentially talking about winder director to our next moment in time. And then her body kinda turned and she gulped for a second. She closed into herself momentarily delay in her head began to bow, and then she turned for a second away to lift her hair back and turned her face away, at which point it was apparent that she was becoming emotional. And you can tell but the attorney for trump was lump of funneled in that moment as to what he had done his hands raised for a moment, he looked over so briefly towards the Council Table to see if theres a moment at triggered and then to the jury quickly to figure out how they were receiving this because no lawyer wants to get up there and have somebody whos already softspoken, told you shes nervous when she walked into the room . From somebody who had a slight figure in terms of being not a big presence in the courtroom was not a charismatic or overly verbose person but that now whatever he had said, made the jury thinking what happened here. And so then he turned and said, well, do you need a moment . And at first she i think questioned and pause. Then looked back and said, yes, i do. And then turned her head completely the away as if to shield her face from being visible of crying. Now, right behind or theres a bailiff and there is their tissues. Theres water and she is turning her body away. Is it . You know, selfconscious of what was happening then may got up as she walks around she is having to pass by the foreign president. Id say somebody who was like a family remember to her, i remember what your ivanka and donald trump, the former president , looks up towards her and i could see his face very clearly. He looked a bit concerned in the moment not as the concern that coming seed said had hurt his case, but that he was concerned is eyebrows were to parse different ways to look at her face and she covered her face. And her hair, and then slink around tims have to shrink herself it was a moment that you hadnt seen in wars, not expecting. And then he stood stoically. Is there looking straight ahead. Both his attorneys were on his on either side of his body. Todd blanche, a male beauvais. This nichols was down a wire down the table. She had not spoken to them, but they were both trying to speak in his ear. He kept looking straight ahead. Ahead of him as if in that moment the weight was there. Now. And thinking about what would be true that it could have been either shoes overwhelmed by the entirety of base. I mean, youre talking about someone who said shes not spoken to hamsun 2022 after having been so close to him, his family and then there was a moment when shes acknowledging that this was an issue for the campaign, but there was a lot of testimony that came in about how he was concerned about Melania Trump he respected his wife. He asked for newspapers not to be delivered to the residents when there was unfavorable headlines that may have impacted for perception of him. She talked about all of those things in that moment. I think that she was sincerely overwhelmed by where she was in that moment. This is foreign where the closest advisor that the former president has had on the stamp, he clearly had a friendship that went back decades with david pecker, didnt a close relationship at all some of the other individuals who have testified should with the cspan guy, like everybody should want to be friends was his reaction throughout the course of the testimony. You he was pretty stoic. In fact, im looking straight ahead. I kept leaning and cranking my neck to see every time there was a moment how he was receiving it when whitman, the first lady, formerly had been i mentioned what he said it, but what he looked at it matter. It seemed to me, unlike the demeanor were hearing about when say david pecker, who was someone who knew for decades it wasnt like somebody who is who knew everything about them, although he certainly had a relationship with them it took a very different scenario and i couldnt help but wonder, given that hope hicks at first come into the family operation through his own daughter, ivanka. Theyre not that far apart in age, Frankly Ivanka and hope hicks, although hope hicks is younger, and i couldnt help but think of bout the fact that she was being brought in and part as a kind of Character Witness in the way that rhona had benton, the righthand woman of donald trump. They both talked about him and being having their trust and respect. They both talked about their relationship, the excitement and what she called chaos, but a good pass at times. But then and there was this moment fell when she described the access Hollywood Tape and the fallout as a crisis. It she wasnt mincing words. She wasnt trying to hedge and suggest i mean, wasnt a thing. I mean, i guess it was she knew that it was they talked through the republican response what was happening at that time. He was leaning in. I understand as well on those issues but i was looking to the jury. I wanted to see how the jury was receiving her because in the end, thats all that matters for the prosecution. And i noticed that when they were taking notes and her testimony first before she was crying and emotional, they were looking towards the person asking the question, the prosecution, he looked back at her almost like a tennis match but then after the moment she began to cry they were leaned in to understand, i think in part what had happened, but also what was going to happen next . Was she going to be triggered somehow again, did her testimony the offend trump in some ways, did it help the prosecution and i think that was the moment you realized how much of an important witness this this was for the same reason you were leaning in waiting for whole picture, so im going to connection to come in soap was the jury and ill enjoy this because this is how emil bove, an did he said. So after all going through her resume and working for the white house, et cetera he asked her, but in all this, you had no idea was going on back at Trump Headquarters and documents, right . In Business Records and she says, no, i did not. Which remember. Thats why were here. Were not here just to talk about whether he respected his wife or her opinion right here and talk about whether or not Mitch Mcconnell are 17, john mccain criticized trump. We were here because its a falsified Business Records case. And so as important of a witness as she was to Connect The Dots the area where the prosecution must prove is there a case about falsified records well, bats of missing jigsaw piece that we will look forward to hearing in the de account. Yeah. Clearly, all driving to trying to present oh, yes. You can give you my Pool Reporter and coordinate any day, but theres actually a pool, right . Yes, there is that. But i just wanted to make sure im going to go swimming pool. I wanted to present thanks for coming out your appreciate. More coats. Was in the courtroom today also today, hope testifying about first learning about that infamous access Hollywood Tape . It was where reported, emailed are asking for comment that reporter who went on to publish that bombshell can join me. Next witness hey, there, brenda. Its carole exactly. So which like are we operating on . You mean arm . Its all connected asking the right question can greatly impact your future. You share your an orthopedist. 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You can do anything, whatever you want, grabbing by the i can do anything they were fair hold with the Washington Post reporter who first got a copy of the tape and broke that momentous and bombshell of a story in 2016 is now an Investigative Reporter at the new york times. David, i just have to ask him were talking about this trend of break a little bit. Im facet how surreal was this first criminal trial of a former president , the current front or the current Presumptive Republican nominee hey and youre at the heart of a full day here it was really surreal. I mean, as a reporter, you never really get a chance to see Something Like this. On the other side and the side of the people who are answering your questions. So it was fascinating for me to see all the reactions and the different, different sort of responses they went through after that question, i sent in, i only saw others sort prepared responses that came back today. I can see the rest of the story what surprised you when youve got that fuller picture one thing i guess two things. One was the First Response that we got from the Trump Campaign from hope hicks that day was we had sent them a transcript of what trump said in that video, and she said that doesnt sound like mr. Trump and i always thought really like that does not like trumps to you. I sounds like him to me and ive been hearing him talk. I just hear him in the speeches but she got that response from trump himself. We now learn trump said to her, i didnt sell me something. I would say so then we sent them the video itself and then they confirm that it was real. Also was struck by her initial response that one of the options was just denied, denied. Deny you before they even tried to figure out whether this tape was real was really trump on it. She was in denial mode and that was the way that that campaign worked. And in fairness, a lot of other campaigns work yeah, i guess what was different about that campaign . And do you make a good point in the sense, look, Campaign Press people arent there to help you most times, particularly we get the types of stories i remember your stories, youre doing about charitable giving. You had a full range of investigative pieces that you guys gotten a battles over what was different about the battles you have with them versus other campaigns youve covered usually campaigns will try to sort overwhelm, you know, call you up and yell at you, tell you 5,500 reasons why youre wrong are the things that youre focusing on or not the right things . The Trump Campaign had two modes. One was just silence. Youd send them a bunch of detailed questions. So its something you are writing about and they would tell you nothing. The second was falsehood youd send a bunch of questions. They would call back and tell you something that was 100 wrong famously want an example in there. And my reporting of trumps charitable giving, i was told by the Trump Campaign and no uncertain firms that trump had given away Million Dollars to veterans that it turned out later hed given 0 of so those are the two modes, either lying or not responding at all. This was a really rare example the Access Hollywood day, when they finally responded truthfully and said yes, this was him yeah, slight Accounting Error when it came so this term will give it real quick before i let you go, we got about ten seconds left to see your emails in this type of forum and format what do you think well, let us Build Everything right . And im glad i was polite. You never know whos going to read your emails or where so in this case, i was glad i had the right tone and ask the right things in that email. Yeah. If its a good reminder to all of us he sends. 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Well, im not allowed to testify under a gag. I can testify staffing suggesting that the gangland is not to testify and judge juan roshan confirming today, as we all knew, the gag order does not stop trump from justifying, nor does it limit what trump can say on the stand are legal panel is youre going to dig in all this polymer server, you. What is your sense right now in terms of when you talk to his defense . What theyre thinking about is a boxes play out is their client going to testify according to the sources ive spoken with at the beginning of this trial, this is absolutely something that was on the table they believed that their client was capable of getting on the stand and adding constructively to his defense. Now, i pointed out his conduct in the last few civil trials that here just blocks for mirrors so lucky you didnt behave in himself. He was rude at times, obnoxious and that really hurt him when it came to the verdicts in those cases. And they said that he had learned some lessons because there, but i think what weve seen is in his answers and evolution making it seem less likely that hes inclined to do that. That could be because he sees the risks. It could also be because the defense is like, we dont need it. Were really doing well here with a witnesses that the prosecution is put on. I hope they do well with their own witnesses as well. So at this point, if i had to bet like 5 when big money, i dont think that he will take the stand. All right. Youve heard theres money on the table here just for sean is yet to rule on the four additional alleged trump gag order violates patients after initially ruling trump violated nine times 9,000. Whats your sister when we can see a ruling come down and how much patients do you think the judge has here if these violations continue . I think were going to get a ruling on those other gag order issues early next week. I dont think the judge has a huge amount of patients for trump and violations of the gag orders that happened in the past that said the latest batch of alleged gag order violations didnt seem to irk the judge quite as much as the first batch does. So although i would expect them to impose some sort of sanction, i dont think hes going to the hammer here. And as far as trump testifying, i dont see it happening if i were on the Trunk Defense Team and he wanted to testify, i would tackle him before he made his way to the podium. It will not help the defense and it will give the prosecutors a pandoras box of issues to open and crossexamine trump on all right. So weve got somebody 0. 5 bucks on it. Tom is saying he would physically intervening it does happen. Do you think four president ial testifying this as a lawyer, as a lawyer, no. My goodness Defense Lawyers never want defendants charged with crimes opening their mouth on the stand can go. Anyway, that it can be broadened. You say one thing, its a trapped or to something else. And who is, who is the biggest mouth on the planet . Donald trump . It would be the last thing, but the rule of law is that the client decides whether or not they testify and not the lawyer. So thats the one piece of strategy in the case that is all only up to the defendants. So the lawyers decide what witnesses are calling, they decide the order of the witnesses. They decide what testimony they want to elicit. But this is purely a decision in trumps domain. And i want to i want to add something a very interesting observation about donald trump from today that came out of hope hicks, because i was on his television show, The Apprentice and i know how he operates when people talk out of line and when Hope Hicks First took the stand, it was reported from inside the courtroom that he closed his eyes and theres been a lot of reporting on that. Thatll hes sleeping. How could he be sleeping while this is going on . And then yesterday, you remember he social media posted that i wasnt sleeping when my eyes are closed i hold my blue eyes blue eyes. Im taking it all in. I dont think hes taking it all in. I think he is coping i think he is self soothing when he closes his eyes. It has nothing to do with sleep. I think he knew the moment that tropics was taking that stand that it was going to be party for him. It was going to be embarrassment for him. It was going to put together the three pieces of his life that are theme of this trial. His business operations, his campaign operations, his white house operations. And then lastly, his personal interactions. Right . I dont think he head much care for any of the other witnesses, even though he said david pecker, like you said earlier, as his friend of 20 years, he doesnt care about Michael Cohen. He cared about thank you. Keep wanting to call her Stormy Daniels for no. No reason. To the point though, because actually appreciate the question. I want to ask tom. Tom, when you hope hello. And i talked about soften how important hope picks was just because of her role. We dont know who the prosecution will or could call on monday. We know a whole lot of people played very significant roles in this whole process that havent testified yet. Who do you think is next well . I dont know if hes next, but i can assure you were going to hear from Michael Cohen at some point. I mean, hes the one whos going to have to connect all the dots here, fill it because what the prosecutors had been doing is putting forward and arguably compelling circumstantial case theyre showing that Michael Cohen was working behind the scenes busy is a beaver trying to open llcs and cut deals and that sort of thing. But what the prosecutors have yet to do is to directly Connect Trump to what cohen was doing. Thats the missing link they need to draw that line. Im not sure how theyre going to draw that line. Other than putting Michael Cohen on this stand and when they do that, its going to be katy bar the door and crossexamination because you know, that is the moment that the Trump Defense team has been waiting for all of these months yes theres no question about that. Whats your sense right now in terms of this prosecution feel like they need to do more, put more people up, build more towards cohen. As he possibly on monday. So yeah, its a fair question and we expect Michael Cohens testimony so one could take a full week, both the direct and cross. Now we have the whole photos up there. I think its less likely now that Kellyanne Conway would need to be called because really the most important thing is she would contribute. We expect, you never know, you dont know is the impact of the access Hollywood Tape on the campaign and hope hicks really got it that also Karen Mcdougal, again, her cachin hell deal is not at the center of this criminal case. Its unclear what additional value she would add. So im sure they might have some other summary witnesses, perhaps the stove, so get up, help introduce evidence is possible. They can call some folks who worked at the Trump Organization. We know the Defense Lawyers will do that bolster their argument that trump really wasnt aware of what was going on with the invoices and this retainer, but it is possible that cohen could go next week all right stacey tawam, paula, two weeks down two plus weeks down. Who knows how many more laughter appreciate it guys will todays testimony, dredged up a lot about trumps 2016 campaign that impact the 2024 raise our political insiders, join us next ive never once had and to wait for insurance to approve a test or approved medication, you didnt have to worry about any of those things, thanks to the donations and our family is forever grateful because its completely changed our lives. 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How people inside the Campaign View her now, well, people inside of the campaigns still have a lot of respect for hope hicks. I mean, what we know about the reason that that she hasnt spoken to trump since 2022. Is that all of this is around her testimony to the january 6 committee being made public. And in that there was a series of Text Messages in which she really went after donald trump over january 6, she went after talking about how this was going to harm his legacy, but also harm white house staffers who hadnt gotten jobs outside of the white house, essentially saying they werent going to be able to find those jobs when they left the white house. And this really rankled a lot of people that were very close to donald trump, but i will say speaking to people close so both hicks and trump they still have a mutual admiration for each other. They still talk very highly of each other. I think part of that was clear in the courtroom today. Part of her getting emotional when she was talking about donald trump and specific events that have been parked donald trump are looking concern according to our reporters in the courtroom from when she started crying, there. I dont think this is something that her campaign is necessarily worried about. I actually think that they more have a fondness for hope x to that point. Sure. Michael todays testimony on packed a lot of the Greatest Hits of worst moments have Donald Trumps 2016 campaign, the access Hollywood Tape he won in 2016 i guess, one of the questions is, do people care by people . I dont mean the base, the republican base, the people who vote in primaries but a. General electric heading into november i dont think so. Feel i mean, i think most people look down on trump and theyre not surprised by the access Hollywood Tape. In 2016, and theyre not surprised by the salaciousness of this particular case. Its almost expected donald trump never retreat himself as this great moral arbiter, if you will, this great spiritual person thats just not who he is. And orality is as a strategist when i think about why people arent concerned about this, im not thinking about phil, what theyre telling pollsters in terms of, oh, im a good person, im a decent person. Im thinking about what are the things that they arent saying . And i want to kinda look at their background. I want to look at their research and prepare for this. I went and took a look at the top websites viewed in the country. Two of the most top sites in the Country Filler rather salacious, if you will. So the point that im trying to make here is that there are a lot of americans who will look at this and i say, well, hes a guy. It does this is a matter, just like an access Hollywood Tape came out, a lot of people say, well, thats just the way men talk. And i do believe theres a significant percent of americans, not just republicans, who believed that and they will dismiss it ashley, you to that i made dispute. Thats just how some men talk for sudesh rucker wasnt saying thats the case. Hes some people think, but i certainly feel the sense i get the sense when you talk to people, its baked in, right . They know they were there seven years ago, eight years ago, weve kind of gotten past that as a democrat how does the Biden Campaign counter that at this point well, you know, when the access Hollywood Kate tapes came out, i bought it shouldve been terminal to his Campaign Aide clearly was not. He was elected president. But there has been so much that has happened since then that i do think some voters may look at the access Hollywood Tape plus the january 6 case, plus the classified documents, clays plus january 6, just in general and his administration over the phone for years and say, this is too much and we dont want that. So its not just this case that will be a deciding factor, but its still tout totality. The one thing about todays testimony though that is like kinda sayyed belief almost as someone who is looking at the 2016 election and saying, how can people not care . Is that when you talk about grabbing some women by their private parts, you no, thats wrong. Even if thats just how men talk and when you are busted and caught on tape, and it should have taped your campaign. And the fact was today we know they knew it was wrong to for so long and the trump era and the trump world and pretended like thats just how men talk. Now they know what was wrong, and now they are had to hope hicks had to admit on the stand today that it was wrong. And i think that is an important shift for the American People to know. Its not just the wakeman talk, its wrong and it shouldnt be accepted and it chef is definitely should not be accepted for a president kristen i know it feels like youre a legal reporter on some level these days, but you are in fact leading our campaign for sure if the former president s get 18, hes actually going going to be doing campaign related things over the course of this week, it has got a big fundraiser in palm beach, florida is gonna be joined by several potential Vice President ial picks. Whats your sense and talking to . All right, only try knocked everything down. Where does that stand right now theyre still trying to figure out exactly whos on the shortlist. I think donald trump himself doesnt really know exactly whos up and whos it was down because it changes every single day. We know that there have been times when doug burgum has been coming out of his mouth nonstop saying with jd vance, both of whom will be there this weekend, these candidates just have to spend enough time around him and around his inner circle to make sure theyre still getting the favor of bility around his inner inner circle and in his ear where to possibly be a pick for Vice President all right. Ill definitely be watching that and well be back here monday ashley Kristen Holmes. Thank you, guys very much. Now the other major news today, a congressman and his wife indicted where there are accused of taking more than a half Million Dollars fridays from thats next hi, my name is kim and i am 41 years old. Ive been given the opportunity to work from home. So that means lots of video calls. I see myself more and i definitely see those deeper leinz im still kim and i got botox cosmetic. I wanted to keep the expressions that i would normally have your rent. 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