Lies, and that audio tape, Donald Trumps hush money trial, has taken a detour into the seedy underbelly of hollywood the lawyer who played the gobetween between each trumpled effort to buy stormy daniels. Silence gave the jury some critical facts about the pan, the pain process to get this deal done now that lawyer also got a dose of hardball from trumps lawyers now did it poison his credibility with the jury . Well, well find out. Im abby phillip, and youre watching a Special Edition of this slide. And im laura coates in todays day in court and it was filled with unsavory stories to say the least. I mean, the sex and there was plenty of that and not just a rumor, trysts between the former president or a porn star or a playmate. The defense put Keith Davidson life on display for the story and his noir like character arc, apparently as the guy who makes things go away for the rich and the very famous the lie is now, there were plenty of those from the former president , including, well, this one well, im not allowed to test if i am under again idea im not allowed to testify unconstitutional gag order. Nobody has ever had that before. We dont like it, and its not fair again that is a lie. And maybe most importantly, there was the audio tape today, this surreptitiously recorded conversation between then candidate donald trump and his thenfixer, Michael Cohen about that cash deal that trump wanted to use to bury those stories about these alleged encounters i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david so im going to do that right away. And i spoke to alan about it when it comes time for the financing, which will be listened what well, ive get hold on. I got no, no will be hearing and hearing about that audio tape. A lot here with this some studio is robert wray and navarro, joey jackson, jennifer rodgers, and dante mils so much to unpack there. But lets start with the audio tape. Actually, robert, im curious about, you your take on this i mean, that tape, it really gets at the heart of this, which is trumps voice. The jury hearing it really for the first time but also trump weighing in on this deal talking about how it should be done to a degree and acknowledging that he understood what was being done on it his behalf. Yeah, i suppose so except that thats not really what the charges the charges, whether or not he had the intent to conceal as part of Advantaging A campaign or to commit a Campaign Finance violations. So yes, they have him on tape. The question is is that indicative of intent to conceal . Yeah. Well, its around he wants to do it in cash. Well, its people would agree that would be something someone would do if they dont want to paper trail. Its around the edges, but it doesnt really get to the heart of it, which is the question of which is what makes it a felony . The issue about whether or not it was done are intended to benefit a campaign. And that the prosecution doesnt have what they hope to have is enough other surrounding atmospherics where it would be reasonable theyre going to argue in summation for the jury to infer that donald trump had that requisite intent. So theres a lot of atmospherics that happened today, and i concede the interest in the public interests and the salacious and the unseemly and the hollywood and the sort of quote, unquote extortion then that goes on to do catch and kill and all the rest of this thats going on. And i guess were in day ten of this but the question is, whats its impact ultimately, i, robert just threw out a bunch of bob. I know you the ultimate question which is whether or not he has criminal when so let me give you the counterpoint to that salma defense guy, but ill be prosecutor person just to respond to that, this is critical information. Whats critical critical with respect to Donald Trumps knowledge and that conversation between cohen and donald trump, why is that . Heres why. Number one, now, granted, they were talking about the Karen Mcdougal deal, correct . The Karen Mcdougal deal was not that was the playboy, right . Excuse me . He play mate. But what it does is it gives trump some knowledge with respect to what cohen is doing. It gives trump some knowledge with regard to what his fixer is up to. It gives trump some knowledge with respect to deals like this being made. So what you can do is argue and you know, thats l4. You can argue to the jury reasonable inferences. So trump knew about the stormy excuse me. He knew about the camp mcdougal deal. He spoke with you with regard to how it would be finance hit you had every conversation with him about that, but he knew nothing about stormy daniels. He had no knowledge as to what was going on there. Thats just not a reasonable inference. So yes, you can argue that its on the periphery, et cetera, but i think it goes directly to a very core issue with respect to what he was doing and whether Michael Cohen, which just out there acting on his own, or whether he had right. Knowledge and he was acting at the behest of trump. And thats significant, of course, none of this is in a vacuum. We know, we know that is not television. Remember what the judge said that very beginning where this is not going to be like a law and order, a perry mason episode. Theyre going to have to build upon each of their witnesses and not one is going to give everything. But you look at the jennifer and thank and youre putting the jigsaw piece those together, trying to have a clear picture. Theyre looking to build on this this witness said this this witness said that the inferences are not just for one person, but from the jurys recollection. Yeah. I mean, less than they started with david pecker who had a meeting with donald trump and Michael Cohen. All three of them together talking about during this campaign, you can be our eyes and ears and youre going to figure out if there are problems for us and helps solve those problems. Thats where we started. Then we had a few parents hey, mason moments talking about made for television with the cross of Keith Davidson and the jury sits up and says, well, wait a minute, maybe the defensive scoring some points and then prosecutors come back and say, well, wait a minute, we have a tape and were going to leave you with the last thing that brings us back to donald trump, the weakness of davidson of course, was that everything he did was with cohen kind of leaning being into this defensive. It wasnt donald trump, it was Michael Cohen and then prosecutors come back and say, no, no, no. We have donald trump, dont worry, were getting there piecebypiece as you say, laura, what a thing is when you when you talk about proving this tastes, you do a intent for you had this stylish that he knew that this was going on and asked what their phone call does. He knew he knew he knew that payments are being made but you also had the establish intent and i dont know if thats there yet. If you look at the defense, what theyve been doing, crossexamination, theyre making it clear that everybodys doing this, right. This is something that highprofile people celebrities, theyre paying people off and not necessarily because of elections, because these people werent running for office theyre doing it to save their reputation. Why cant donald trump do it to save his reputation generally, to protect the interest of his, his family. Right. And if thats the case or the jury believes he was just doing what all other celebrities were doing, then it doesnt meet that felony level of trying to impact an election thats the part that i think is different though is okay. So we may not have established Donald Trumps intent, but theyve pretty much established everybody else around him. Intent has very close circle, right . Whether its pecker cohen, davidson, you talk about theyre all talking about the campaign. Theyre all talking about what it means. Theyre all talking about the timing theyre all cd characters. Theyve also i think establish that but theyre the characters that donald trump chose to surround himself with and they certainly knew what they were doing and why they were doing an anna, to that point, joey, i know you have bit of the transcript that goes exactly to that, which is all the folks around them as head of was just say they were like, oh, wait, hold on. This worked. They really war. So lets give you a sense of some of the transcript. Its like if you were auditioning for apparently mason, my read in court today questionanswer. All right. So here it is heres the question. What did you mean when you say what have we done . Answer. I think that there was an understanding that this is a text between dylan howard and i write hes the content guy from national enquirer. And that there was an understanding that our efforts may have in some way, i should strike that. That our activities may have in some way assisted a president ial campaign of donald trump question and how did dylan howard respond to your text . Answer, oh, my god. There you have it. If i can push back a little bit. Got pushed back a little bit. What, does his impression of why trump, donald trump did it matter . It comes down to why trump did it. Not why anyone else surrounding it did it. So on the other side, those payments were made, right . Weather stormy, daniels new those payments were made for a specific reason, are not mcdougal new four specific reason not davidson new force pacific reason or not . It comes down to why trump did it happen the answer is that jurors, we always say when were parading in front of them, you use your common sense and good judgment to anna navarro is point, right . Everyone around you knows whats going on. The coconut. Everyone around you, the coconspirators. Remember the theory of the problem . This is about a conspiracy and a coverup. A conspiracy indicates that they are those around you who are conspiring with you collectively to break the law. To cover up is in the paint and so right now, theres never going to be i wont say never because sometimes feel really guilty and it shows, but sometimes its not a smoking gun sometimes you have to rely upon jurors to bring their everyday experience into a courtroom with them. And if everyone knows the bucha knows the baker knows the Candlestick Maker must know two. Thats the donald trump in this get out personally rivaling. No im good this wednesday, im not gonna hear dramatic reading but what if what if a juror hurry differently and heard instead of what have we done, we may have assisted as if you didnt intend to in the first place. The fact that hes saying, what have we done . I could see one juror, perhaps again themselves wait a. Second. Did we just do what we think we did as opposed to what should have been joe Mission Accomplished, that thats one risk of this that could possibly happen when it falls into the sowhat category and also falls into the category of look, these this guy Keith Davidson quite clearly testified that his agenda, among other things, included using the leverage of the election in order to extract the payment. Thats a very odd way of saying or being able to conclude that the purpose of all this was to influence a camp payne, i think the crossexamination was subtle, but pretty effective when you to suggest that, look, whats going on here in this unseemly world is a lot of shenanigans by people who have an agenda the 40 slice of the action that this attorney makes with regard to a recovery and what they were angling and aiming to do in this environment, even though there was a Campaign Going on, had edit anything. But to do with the campaign, but had everything to do with using somebody who is a candidate in order to figure out how to obtain an a. I do want to make just one obtain an objective for a client that was financial. I were the attorney stood to make an enormous slice of that actions are always thats the purpose represent client i want to just make a difference. I want to make too factual notes here so Keith Davidson says he was paid 10,000, which is not an enormous sum of money. But secondly, on redirect the thing about the, the, the was actually correct and he said he misspoke it was not attributed to him or to stormy daniels, but two hi, my boyfriend boyfriend of the publicist. Okay. So what sort of tell but the point is, it wasnt coming from them, it was from someone who was actually sure. Yeah, totally tangential to this doesnt change what the migration i do it changes it changes where that motivation came from, which i think if youre in the jury, that would matter. I do want to go to Katelyn Polantz because she has some more about Keith Davidson as well yeah. Laura gnaby. Lets look at Keith Davidson on the Cross Examination where the defense team is questioning him, not just about these situations where hes talking to Michael Cohen and die donald trump, but theyre also trying to distance him and discredit him from all of whats going on there. And the way that emil bove did that, Donald Trumps defense counsel, in this crossexamination, is he tried to make the point to the jury that Keith Davidson, over many years, like a decade, worked for a lot of difference celebrities or worked in the realm of different celebrities representing people who had stories about them that could be negative. To silence them so those people include Charlie Sheen, how cogen, manny pack you, lindsay lohan, tele tequila. She was out there in the mix as well, and what was happening in those situations as far back as ten years ago, one of the clearest examples is with Charlie Sheen, where there were women that Keith Davidson was representing that had stories about Charlie Sheen and then those stories were somehow buried what . Emil bove, the Defense Lawyer was trying to say in his crossexamination of Keith Davidson, is he kept asking him about extortion or extraction, about how his memory might have been fuzzy around all of these clients he was representing in a way to put him in a negative play. Face for the jury as theyre thinking about this man, this attorney representing stormy daniels. Heres a bit of that backandforth related to one of the clients, the Keith Davidson represented around Charlie Sheen. So emil bove asked him, you know, who Charlie Sheen is, right . Keith davidson, i do. And youve represented some clients who you helped get paid by Charlie Sheen, right . Ive represented several clients who had claims against Charlie Sheen and who you extracted sums of money from Charlie Sheen on behalf of, correct . There was no extraction you took steps to cause mr. Xin to pay, correct we asserted that there was tortious activity committed and valid settlements that were executed. So some of this that emil bove is doing here in the courtroom before the jury, its subtle and it suggestive to the jurors, but it is something that he may try and argue later on that the defense team might try and argue later on whenever they have all of this evidence into the record, theres another really brief exchange, just so you can see how theres wordplay going on here between the Defense Council and Keith Davidson about what he was doing and what kind of a person he was bove asked him. I remember im asking what you remember. All right. Can Younswer Davidson in answer to what beauvais im not asking you to assume anything. Im just asking for truthful answers. Okay davidson, youre getting truthful answers, sir. Exchanges like that happens several times over the course of today that subtlety and suggestion coming across in the cross, that defense team had for Keith Davidson a lot in there. 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And for that matter, his own lawyers over trumps inability to stay quiet, the judges right now ill decide and whether trump violated his gag order on additional four different occasions, just days remember, after Fighting Trump in contempt and warning him of jail time as a possibility or panel is back. Joey redoes that exchange today because the judge didnt seem to be mincing his word that the judge was not. So this is about as you note, the gag order. So here reads official transcript from court, but hes running for president. This is of course, trumps attorney. He has to be able to speak. So, your honor, is right. He can walk out there and he could go, right. Thats where that door is or he can walk out there and go left. Thats what but the presses and make a statement which hes entitled to do and has to do, your honor. So we are not the court interrupts some lauren saying what thats why he is being allowed to do that. Thats why that entire area has been set up. The way that it is set up to ensure that your client as a candidate for presidency has the opportunity to speak about absolutely anything he wants, including the District Attorney of new york. But there are just some things he can not talk about and that of course goes to the specifics of the gag order, right . He could attack alvin bragg. All he wants to his heart content. He can talk about biden. He can talk about the judge, which he does regularly by hi, the way, but you just cant talk about the witnesses. You cant talk about the jurors. You cant talk about families so the judges are saying, i have to make balanced limits with respect to what your client can do and thats the exchange. So part of what hes saying too is, look, im just im calling david pecker nice. Thats what ive done. Ive said he was nice. Whats the problem with that . Why can i say that . Can i make this statement . And the mobster accent oh, nice to nice how she got there. Oh, to like, okay, fine. Im in new york today, but we think about the saying, hang of nice theyre saying no, no, no, no. Thats thats code. Hes trying to suggest stay nice, keep being nice. Otherwise, theres a problem. And then also the idea of calling the jurors democrats. Hes taking issue with that. Whats the problem with calling him democrats . Im just saying theyre overwhelmingly democrats and then i had a quick a quick jury. This is also kind of, theyre afraid of a intimidate they should dog whistle yes is there a question here theyre afraid. Dont know if you were doing there is no doubt that you know that theyre worried about witness tampering juror intimidation. All of these things. And if donald trump is good at something well, hes got at a few things. But one of the things hes very good at is dogwhistles and blowing them in a very effective the way all it takes. But this is the gag order. Ill say this tunnel trump is phenomenal at controlling the narrative. He knows how to trigger people and get them going. Take, for example, what he said today about not being able to testify. He didnt use that by mistake. He knows hes not going to testify. Theres your answer, right . There is donald trump going to testify . No. Because he already said the judge told me i can. So when he doesnt and if this goes south, he has at the fall back on because his people will believe them when he says he was instructed not to testify, he doesnt do those things by accident. So those words like, oh, hes a nice guy, right . Hes telling him, all right. Were still good. Were still good right now. Stay stage, they would do and what youre doing you now stay low. Dont fire me any shots and were still good. Hes using those words on purpose. The prosecution is calling it out, but the judge has a very tough line to walk because you cannot restrict free speech and he doesnt want to do. I am a skeptic at this gag order ive questioned whether it makes any sense to even be deliberating over it. However, ive been convinced after talking to a lot of use smart attorneys that maybe its working because donald trump has not actually it seems violated the gag order since hes been punished. Technically so is it a too early to say that Mission Accomplished by judge marchand that this actually has kind of worked for whatever reason if it is way too early i am skeptical, should have a gavel. He would find with a gag both that if a gagne half a gag order cannot be effectively enforced if it doesnt have an Enforcement Mechanism that matters to the defendant, 9,000 does not matter to donald trump. And if you take jail off the table, it doesnt matter. So why have one tooth and why and why spend all of the courts time on it. But but he hasnt violated it yes. So far slowed down. And remember these four statements were made before he came out with his ruling on the first batch of nine. So he really hasnt violated in a long time in jail, is still on the table when we you probably are sure hes paying attention to it also equal application. I mean, the line hes been saying that there are two systems of justice. Hes been using that to his advantage. Thats narrative. Hes crafting and i do believe we have a legal system in search of a Justice System but hes trying to suggest that he alone is being singled out or political persecution. So if a judge were to say, you know what, p is not going to follow it anyway. So i guess you of all defendants, youre the one that doesnt have to have a gag order. You can make comments about the jurors. You can make comments, but youre not going to follow it anyway, that would in fact put them above the law. Unlike any other defendant, can you imagine having a client who your honor, hundred fall anyway. So you know what hes just substituted, what hes complaining about right so now, instead of complaining about the judge and the jury, hes complaining about the gag order. Its all about what what am i the victim of today . But doesnt matter. You know what out of this for a second. Hold on because because its the right thing to do, political speech is at the top of the wall under the First Amendment, you have an active president ial candidate running for president , okay. Hes on trial. I get that one of the problems of a gag orders when you start getting involved in content, its one thing to shut everybody down and say, nobody talks about this case. Its another thing where trump has to deal as a president ial candidate with Michael Cohen who feels free to basically as a potential witness in this case who apparently will testify free to comment. All he wants and donald trump is is being gagged from having comment with regard to a critical witness in the case while he is a president ial candidate, let me speak this is this is a difficult situation to be in. I understand for everybody for the prosecution, for the defense, for donald trump is a president ial candidate and for the judge, i think its pretty apparent from what jennifer said. I think youre right that he is paying attention to the line which is the threat of imprisonment. But lets talk about that message has gotten so far so far, it should be stated the prosecution has not asked for imprisonment under a citation for contempt. They have simply asked for the penalty of fines. Always different. Could we get back to something thats very critical . Number one, you mentioned Michael Coleman can say anything he agreed to stop. He has stopped. Okay. So lets clarify that the second thing is yes, theres a campaign, yes is political speech, but there are also people are endangered. There are also consequences to when you have a bully pulpit and you have followers like that. There are real consequences. You remember what happened to the speakers husband, right by some deranged person who went in and he inflicted serious damage with a hammer. These are real a gag order there is not. Okay. We just want to suppress the Person Running for president. Its about the consequences of your actions. You cant yell fire in a theater why . Because youre right to free speech. And is where it impair someone elses right. You cant just defame people. Why . Because you can impair rare mutations, you can damage peoples ability to support their families here if youre running for president of the United States, you have 70 Million People who believe every word you say, whether or not its true when you speak to an issue of a witness, that witness can be harmed. You speak about a juror that juror is in danger. You speak about a family member, something can happen. There are people. So we can talk about free speech. All we want and president ial speech and political speech. Lets talk about peoples safety and lets remember that our First Amendment has exceptions. Look, im all for protecting jurors and i think the integrity of the process needs to be protected, but you cant design a gag order thats going to protect against whats 70 Million People might do. Hes now got that isnt very limited. Gotta, you gotta careful i think the judge up to this point, how is has been has been now a medical student carveouts speak absolutely anything he has to say hes a candidate for president hey he says as he could talk about witnesses, no matter whether danger and say her to say anything to political speech, doesnt mean its not without any constraints, but the notion that you think youre going to step in and start modulating and having a judge modulate. And regulate the content of his speech. I mean, that gets into some serious Prior Research Great Questions that i think his lawyers are right to point out, and i understand the judge has gotten fed up with it, and thats too bad. In my opinion i think donald trump is going to do his level best under advice of counsel to follow the spirit of this up to the line. That doesnt allow are forced the judge into the showdown potent put him in jail juror, but i asked to be off the panel because they felt like they were in danger because of all everything going on around them in the press. So if donald trump can go and talk about their and he can talk about the judges family, the courts the court staff. Youre putting people will endanger and i think the judge is being very careful not to make it too expansive because you dont want to restrict speech is very important. The First Amendment, right, but we cant, we cant put peoples especially where they had the choice for the decision of deciding this case and you want them to do that when they feel safe . Well, we have a lot more to talk about this very issue abeer he the important for us to remember factually though the judge did allow in the last actual order, not only nine out of ten were found to be things in violation of the gag order. One was in reaction. 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Its easy to overlook one of the most serious comments that he has made in recent days. And it has echoes of 2020 donald trump suggests that he will not accept the Election Results once again, throwing baseless doubts on the democratic process and quote if everythings honest, ill gladly accept the results. I dont change on that. If not, you have to fight for the right of the country. And by fight it comes the same week he will not rule out my islands around the election if he loses, quote if we dont win, you know, it depends. It always depends on the fairness of an election its eerily similar to the reframe that weve heard from him before we fight. We fight like hell. And if you dont fight like hell, youre not going to have a country anymore that just moments after those comments were made, his followers stormed the capitol to try to stop the certification of the 2020 election. Robert wray and anna navarro are back with us along with cnn political analysts. Coleman hughes and Natasha Alford trumps words are always the subject of debate whether they matter or not. I think theres no question though that after he did this a version of this in 2020 something did happen there was an insurrection on the capital. This time around. Is it really responsible to just treat them as words . Coleman, i dont think it was responsible last time. In fact, during 2020 when he was debating President Biden and whoever was in charge of that debate asking the questions asked, will you commit the exact same question . What will you commit if you lose any said the exact same thing he said. I dont know how to see if its fair. And i remember right at that time, i tweeted anyone who cares about the peaceful transfer of elections should consider what you just said, a deal breaker now many people at the time would have responded to me. Okay. Well, look, trump only does a third of what he says. Hell hell do would just true. And so they might have said he doesnt really mean it. Theres no way that you can say that this time we know what he means by that is heads, i win tails, you lose. It will be fair if he wins and if, if he loses it wont be fair to him and his supporters. Yeah, natasha, there are those who might be looking at this and saying, well one, you take him to literally write, we remember that resonate again, but also there has not been the insurrection or a Seditious Conspiracy charges against him when it comes from a federal case. And so they might say, well if there was not a criminal connection made, then why should you assume violence would take place at his hands again i mean, i think that response is just too technical right. At the trump leaves things open for a reason. I think its very intentional. This whole idea of fighting for your country. Its a rhetoric that allows those people to decide for themselves what that means. So is it violence . Is It Intimidation . Epipoles, is it running for office . We now see that over 100 and election deniers are actually in congress, right . So its sort of choose your own adventure in terms of what it means to fight for your country but its not playing fair, its not playing by the rules of what democracy is supposed to. But let me add a little bit more meat to the bones on the violence piece. This is from the Time Magazine interview that he had this week. He says, hes asked by the author, are you worried about Political Violence in connection with this novembers election . Trump says no, i dont think youll have Political Violence the question you dont expect anything. Trump says, i think were going to have a big victory. And i think there will be no violence if we win there wont be no what there wont be any violence this is i was thinking today, i actually think this trial is helping donald trump because but for the fact that we are doing dramatic readings and trying to decipher whats going on through court sketches we would have led with that Time Magazine interview, which has so many things that should alarm americans who believe in democracy. And instead, were doing that. So i actually think the trial in a way is helping donald trump because its diverting our attention from the horrible threats, threatening, scary dictator like authoritarian things. He is saying and things like that Time Magazine, its also keeping him off the Campaign Trail where he says a lot of stupid, horrible things every time hes out there so yeah. I mean, i look, im going to take as, long as there are people like the el paso shooter who take him literally as long as there are people like the january 6 insurrectionist who taken literally, im going to take him seriously, taking a january 6 one as you guys saw the interview last night, the Kaitlan Collins had with senator j. D. Dan. So really its still on a shortlist, essentially im, a vp vp candidate in the vip stakes for trump, but there was this one when he was beginning to even with trump off the Campaign Trail minimizing what happened on january 6, even questioning the validity of the fear of mike pence, listen to this okay. Let im extremely skeptical that mike pences life was ever in danger. I think politics and politics, people like to really exaggerate things from time to time a lot of ground with party senator, a lot of folks that Democratic Party kaitlan act as if January The 6th was the scariest moment of their lives. I think look, january its six was a bad day. It was a riot, but the idea that donald trump endangered anyones lives when he told them to protest peacefully. Its just absurd i mean, many would argue. We look at that. I remember seeing the footage of members of the Senate Running for their lives being told to take off any of their pins are identifying insignia isnt any kind. So if they were attacked inside of The Capital Retired Der otherwise, theyd be harmed. But this is sort of rewriting of it. This history. What is your reaction to this, robert, when you hear, when you hear this, the minimizing of what happened on january, theres even questioning whether there was even true fear for his own life of the Vice President i what ive said since the moment had happened is that i did not think that the president then president conduct with regard to the three hours that was the delay in telling his supporters cease and desist and go home was a huge error in judgment. I have never believed that that error in judgment was sufficient to warrant prosecution, and so we can have a long debate about whether or not it was incitement insurrection, and all this other stuff and whether mike pences life was in danger and so on and so forth. It look, we ought to be about, i mean, look, weve got one trial where for apparently were going to relitigate the 2016 election. Now you want to talk about this one where we litigating the 2020 election and were supposed to be focusing on the election that we currently have, which is the 2024 election. I think what donald trump was saying to answer your original question is i dont really find that the accuracy of results and the integrity of elections is all that big of a deal if the electorate is clear about who the winner should be, we only get into these difficult situations because the election is so close and a few thousand votes in a couple of states actually make a difference on who the winner is going to be. I mean, i think what donald trump is communicating is, im running for president. I intend to win. And if i went, its going to be a large enough margin of victory that youre not going to have any of this nonsense about violence or question the integrity of voters or anything else. Its going to be a clear enough mandate. Where the country has spoken nonclear now clear lost by a bigger margin to joe biden than he won over Hillary Clinton the idea that its so close that you cant decipher it. He was the one who created that myth and the first process closer to the election because of the delay litigation wise to push it closer and closer . Those are but let me ask it as point though youre i think youre getting ready to say, i mean, part of the concern here is, is it all in the Rearview Mirror . I mean, talking about relitigating aspects of it isnt it relevant to know what the behavior of a president might be if you the oval office, theres a direct line between the past and the present, right . When you say fight like hell for your country and you think about what hes saying now these are i think pretty clear directions to people that anything goes that if i dont win, that means that something went wrong and i think this is the power of a lie. You say it over and over. Over again. You sow doubt in peoples minds were even those who, who thought that january 6 was abhorrence as it was, maybe start to question whether there might be something to what the writers did. Its about the repetition of the lie to increase that reason we are relitigating it is because they the candidate is donald trump. Again, if the republican candidate was nikki haley, was any other candidates, this question would not arise, but we are relitigating it because the guy whose words lead to an insurrection on january 6 is running again. And so we already know what his words are capable of ensuring and you have ensured that he is the candidate by attempting to a take them off the ballot. In colorado and other but for the intervention of the United States supreme court. And you have ensured un elbowed every other republican potential candidate out of the way as a result of four indictments in an election season against the leading president ial candidate. And as the result of that, yeah, were going to relitigate this because the country is going to make a decision about whether anything about luckin bit about, about, about whether i made public i like it or not. Okay. But were really good at relitigating it also, in part because a good chunk of the country apparently now close to more than 50 of the country thinks it was a bad idea to elect joe biden in the first place. Thats why were re litigating it. So theres everybody takes a message to biden while running against anybody else. This would not be a question thats a question not because of joe biden. Its a question because of donald trump, a man who did it once and its going to do it again. Id everyone what once ive said things that lead to an insurrection, i call the proud boys stand by we got to leave it there. Everyones stick around for us much more ahead. But tonight in charlotte, President Biden visited the families of the four Law Enforcement officers who lost their lives in a deadly ambush. They were killed while attempting to serve a warrant at a home it is the nations deadliest attack on Law Enforcement and eight years and one of the fallen is alden elliott, a marine, an officer, a husband, and a father. And today the city honored him with a procession. A man who left his home for work like any other day. But this time never returned. Alden leaves behind a young son and we want to take a moment to share with you the obituary that he wrote about his dad having a child should never have to write vo who is 12 years old, rights . My daddy is a hero. He died getting the bad guys. Thats what he was good at. Hes a marine, hes a police officer. He is kind and patient he keeps my mom and i safe he is my daddy. The best daddy . We love playing video games together. He really likes mario zelda and metroid return of sadness. We collect pokemon cards. 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Golden, we think about this who are you thinking might be the one to have the odds ever in his or her favor . Yes. I mean, if i were the decision maker, i think you can make a strong case for marco rubio. You saw how between 2016 and 2020, trump had a hughes rides rise in support with they span a community and it would make sense for him to try to double down and tripled down on that trend which could have a really material effect in some key states. And Marco Rubio Might be the guide to help them do. I dont see it that way. And ill ill tell you why first, i think so much more eloquent than trump. And im not sure that trump will ever fully trust him. Right. But also Marco Rubio Is Cuban American The Hispanic Vote is not monolithic. Were not one homogeneous group, and i frankly dont think marco and what he stands for and him being cuban american, will it help in florida . Yes. But thats Trump Country already. Thats very much red right now. Well, it help in other states . Will it help an arizona will it help him about i dont think itll help us much. I dont think marco rubio carries the punch with the pan Hispanic Community that he does in florida where the Cuban Americans that already in the bank for trump. How about governor kristi noem not exactly sure. Lets be zero on it at this point in time. Why is she off i think its a little awkward, right. You dont want someone whos putting you unnecessarily backwards and it feels like such an unnecessary story to tell. Like why would you ruin your chances when you know how important this moment is by telling this awkward story. But i do think i agree with this idea. He doesnt want to be upstaged, right . You saw what he told vivek, dont speak more than a minute. If i introduce you, he wants somebody who is going to be loyal, almost like a puppy and i think tims no, dont know top right now that was on purpose. But tim scott, the sort of excitement, the sort of i love donald trump, thats just kind of, its sort of a Blanket Approach to loving donald trump. I think its that simple, and i think that there are some black voters who are open to being persuaded, not the majority. And tim scott might be able to do that. All right, everyone. Thanks for being with us. This app our robert, anna and natasha coleman. Thank you all and stand by. Our coverage continues next this is an area where you have never been to before without to step out and neat little home in bleeder of the crossbar, e. Gang is one of the fbis ten most wanted. The destruction in the violence, the deaths that it played out. Do you take any responsibility for that what is it going to take to bring stability and a future of calm . To this country. He only says he made mistakes and is not perfect. He blames politicians today, at least gangs home a power doug hello, ghostbusters its duck of doggedly moon. 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