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For joining us. The news continues now, right here on cnn its tuesday, april 30, right now on cnn this morning, Breaking News Protesters at columbia break into an academic that make building a barricaded themselves inside. We are live on campus growing concern in israel and in congress, the International Criminal court is preparing an Arrest Warrant for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and donald trump back in court where the prosecutions third witness is laying out how the hush money for Stormy Daniels was actually paid 5 00 a. M. Here in washington alive. Look at venation its capital on this morning. Good morning, everyone. Im kasie hunt. Its wonderful to have you with us. We begin this morning with breaking overnight at Columbia University. Dozens of protesters breached an Academic Building next to the Protest Encampment and they barricaded themselves inside. Others outside the building, formed a human chain to block out access to the entrance in these images from inside columbias Hamilton Hall, you see one protest or using a hammer to break a window and others moving furniture to block doorways. Its worth noting this building, Hamilton Hall, named for alexander hamilton. Its home to the office of the dean of Columbia College and has been the site of many protests over the year is notably in 1968, cnns Polo Sandoval is on columbias campus early this morning, covering all of this forest polo. Whats the latest casey, this would be a Significant Development you see for nearly two weeks that weve been following this both on and off campus. Protesters, these propalestinian demonstrators have really kept to that in cabinet itself, in kelvin and question. That is really the start of this Massive Movement weve seen across the country. However overnight as youre able to see in some of these pictures, not only from the ground, but also in the air, you can see what appears to be many, many, many demonstrators, individuals that have actually gone up to that Hamilton Hall, as you pointed out, is a significant important building here housing the dean of Columbia College and appears to use a benches, tables as well to barricade the entrance of that of that building and other footage that weve also seen, there does appear to be indication that these demonstrators are these individuals, many of them with their faces covered forced their way into that building. As you can see in some of the pictures, or at least you may be able to make out some of the visuals, even looking out through the window from the inside. Obviously this building would be closed at during the overnight hours. And in one instance, youve been hanging a palestinian flag on the exterior of the building as you point out this facility, this specifically this building that is not far from the encampment that weve been discussing for the last two weeks, that has been the stage of previous Student Demonstrations and 1968 to increase awareness about the vietnam war decades later in 1985 was also used to push for divestment from companies with South African ties during the apartheid. And so this is really just now the latest chapter. However, this certainly would mark a potential significant escalation as Columbia University officials since yesterday after they impose that 2 00 p. M. Deadline to clear out of the encampment, which coincidentally is just about 50 yards from Hamilton Hall, have remained relatively restrained compared to what we experienced, what we saw just under two weeks ago when they reach out to the nypd for assistance and clear up, clearing out another encampment. So in the hours ahead, it will certainly be significant, at least important to watch what will be the universitys next move . Will they once again reached out to reach out to the nypd . I can tell you casey, just from our vantage point, again, the campus is restricted, so were not able to make our way onto the campus it is very quiet. You wouldnt know it if you didnt have those pictures that have come in from from the campus itself. Only Security Personnel and an occasional police officer. But this certainly might mean that we could expect that check to change very soon. Casey hello we heard some from students were just kind of getting at reaction is this is coming into us overnight. I want to show you a little bit of what some of those students said and well talk about it on the other side. Watch the people who are already inside Hamilton Hall decided to smash the windows and then put bike locks like around each door handle so there was also another student who described students who were trying to get in front of the mob as well. How do you understand kind of the tensions inside this group of people . Yeah whats going to be interesting to find out is who or what organization these individuals may be associated with. In fact, its even to certain to positively say that they are all students what we have seen though for the last two weeks are mainly students keeping two confines of that encampment and weve been on campus basically every day during that window. Thats available. Thats offered depressed to make their way onto campus. And i can tell you that a majority, a majority, not all, but of these demonstrations have kept to that lawn. So thats why this would be something fairly significant here. Now with the potential for the Summer Striation to spill out of that area. And now affecting this building, potentially even leading to some damage that weve seen on video again, at least 200 students were reporting at this hour are currently barricaded inside at Hamilton Hall, Polo Sandoval for us, polo out. Well come back to you as this unfolds this morning. Thats very much for being there for us and this is the latest seen as the protests grow each and every day at College Campuses across the Country Police in riot gear responding the demonstrations at virginia commonwealth universitys campus in richmond last night. This video from cnn affiliate ww bt shows people being taken into custody. Its clear this hour just how many arrests were made similar seen in austin, texas . Thousands of protesters were arrested yesterday on the ut Campus Demonstrators have now been arrested on more than 20 campuses across at least 16 states. And of course, this has become a Major Political flashpoint. People on capitol hill responding to it after his visit to colombia last week, House Speaker mike johnson plans to hold a press Conference Today to announce what his House Offices its calling a house wide crackdown on the virus of antisemitism spreading throughout College Campuses. Johnson previewed it when he spoke to reporters last night this is not an expression of free speech. This is the this is the threats and open intimidation of the lives of innocent jewish many of them are fearful of the class. We need moral clarity on the issue. We need everybody from the president on down to speak out about this and say that it is clearly wrong and it jewish students are not secondclass citizens and they can attend classes just like everyone else joining me now to discuss is eugene scott, who is the senior politics reporter at axios eugene. Good morning. This of course, these scenes playing out on College Campuses. Its coming straight into our political debate. You heard at mike johnson there, this is of course something thats very difficult for President Biden a to grapple with korean john pierre at the podium yesterday, essentially saying its up to each and every university to deal with this kind of trying to stay above the fray. How long do you think they can do that . Not long, especially because mike johnson is quite frankly, i believe using this opportunity as a chance to unify his party, which really needs some unity right now, given where he stands with a few members in his party, this also has played into the gops consistent Talking Point that caused just are out of control. And when you see buildings being breached, there there are safety issues that people who are even sympathetic to the Palestinian Protesters are are concerned about. And so not seeing the white house take a more starch stance on this really does give johnson and other people in his party a bit of an advantage. Yeah, this building is really interesting to me because it clearly there is so much history. There was 1968, it was during the height of the vietnam war, again in 1972, was occupied id also over the war and then it was 1985 to protest apartheid. But the reality is its been a really long time since weve seen this, right . Right. We have been many decades now removed from that era. So to kinda come back to this is its really, as you point out, quite something to see, especially when you see the hammer breaking the windows. Lets lets also look at some of our colleagues on capitol hill yesterday. One of the issues that has become a flashpoint here is how to use federal money obviously, there are many investigations into antisemitism on campus is going on right now. Lets listen to what some of those lawmakers had to say my bill would actually strip federal funding from institutions that allow antisemitic activities to take place. If our tax alice shouldnt be going to universities that allow antisemitism she persist. Sotos homes disgraceful and Love University of dumb, too little and a soft fruit or jewish students, i do think that these Institutions Fusions of Higher Learning if they fail to act then federal funding should be stripped from them how much traction do you think this is going to get at this point . I mean, and again, i think we should underscore there are certainly peaceful protests. Peter, who are out there supporting palestinians who are suffering, who need humanitarian aid. However, we have seen in app points very ugly antisemitism rear its head. We have just like weve seen, an increasing antisemitism over the last few years. And this a right now is showing how different places that its showing up. I think whats really interesting is we know that i believe more than 20 campuses are finding themselves having students protested they range some are public, some are private, some are big, some are small, some are in major cities summer and smaller towns different schools will be affected differently by removal of federal funding all or to some degree received some federal funding. But this could have a Significant Impact on the educational experience at some schools and wastes that it wanted other very interesting point, eugene scott. Thank you very much for being with us this morning. I really appreciate it. Are coming up next here. What would the us do if the International Criminal court issues a warrant, an Arrest Warrant for Benjamin Netanyahu, loss, four officers killed while trying to serve a warrant or bring you that and well have much more on todays Breaking News, Student Protester at breaking into and now occupying an Academic Building at columbia. 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We do not support the investigation, and i think that kind of answers that question when we say we do not support this so we do not believe its in their in their jurisdictions another House Republican told axios that retaliatory legislations already in the works. If the warrants do come down, cnns max foster joins me now, live from london. Max, good morning to you. The icc. Theyre an independent organization. They have also issued warrants its against Vladimir Putin can you help us understand how and why this is coming together . And also the impact of this if it does come down for the Prime Minister of israel what was israel in the as you say, dont recognize it, wouldnt have any impact there, but it would have see impact. Then yahoo, if wanted to travel to countries like the uk canada, all the countries that do recognize the icc. So weve seen that with putin he hasnt been challenged Country Trees which do recognize the icc presumably for fear of being arrested, it could be a recipe goes there. Also is the optics of this. As always is, it suggests that those countries support the icc decision, which we might not necessarily do also the Israeli Government has been warning israeli embassies around the world that this might come down and might increase antisemitism as well. So all very unhelpful. As far as the us and israel is concerned, it doesnt relate to the wall. By the way, it goes back some years and is largely in relation to the building of settlement right . So max, as far as netanyahu is concerned, i mean, weve talked so much about how his domestic political situation is something thats front of mind for him and is affecting potentially the conduct of the war. We know big picture. They have put an offer on the table that tony blinken and saudi arabia yesterday called extra jordan narrowly generous to hamas and im interested to know what you think that says about how netanyahu feels hes clearly under intense pressure from Hostage Families in israel to try to bring people home on the one hand, on the other, does this Arrest Warrant affect him from a domestic perspective . I think its this itd be the sense wouldnt it . There is this view and other parts of the world that he should be arrested. And then it becomes a debate within israelis and divisive figure. And then all of his opponents would suggest this is what youve done. And maybe you should be arrested. It i mean, it would inevitably play into the debate. So its incredibly unhelpful in terms of the deal the debate now is not whether or not there will be some sort of ceasefire, whatever you want to call it, is how long its going to last. Will it turn transition into a lasting peace . So this is why people are so positive about blinkens positivity if you like, because if theres a potential now, this is what that entire region has been looking for. Countries like saudi arabia or lasting peace, which can transition into a place where gazans can return to normal life. All right, max foster for us in london max, thank you very much. Always appreciate having you see you tomorrow all right. Coming up next here for officers shot and killed while serving a warrant in North Carolina. Well bring you that and Breaking News Protesters now occupying a building on in columbias campus. Well keep you posted as this unfolds 10,000. 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Good morning i want to start with a little bit of what were hearing from some of these students. This situation started to unfold shortly after midnight overnight. Theyre occupying Hamilton Hall, which is it has a lot of history around this. It was also occupied biden 1968 of course, at the height of the vietnam war, heres how some of the students over and describe whats happened. Watch two very heroic students decided to get in front of the mob that was pushing the tables in front of each doorway at Hamilton Hall. And they were trying to almost negotiate with mavi. And then when that wasnt working, they just decided to stand there in front of each doorway. And tried to be the human barricades. They proceeded to push him out, shove him out, almost, lift him up, and he was resisting so what shes describing is a physical confrontation. It sounds like from the perspective of people who were trying to prevent the proPalestinian Protesters from doing what they did here. We should also note there was at one point a palestinian flag that was flown outside of this hall. This obviously has become a Major Political flashpoint here in washington. What do you think . Reaction is likely to be considering now, i mean, this is a stepup, right . And we we are, and were working on kind of reporting out how this is also happening at other campuses across the country, but its gone from encampment to what theyre saying occupying buildings. Yeah, the reaction de at least from House Republicans for sure, is going to be strong and fierce from a lot of democrats as well Speaker Mike Johnson telling reporters just yesterday that administrators need to condemn this behavior in these propalestine protest that are getting out of hand. Some of them moving into an antisymmetric area that needs to be condemned and House Republicans said they are going to figure johnson to House Republicans are going to focus on this quote quite a bit this week, as you mentioned, those that Press Conference that wasnt initially planned, it was Just Announced yesterday where they say that theyre going to announce this wide ranging investigation. There have already been a few probe is looking into antisemitism on College Campuses. But johnson saying that thats going to now be expanded. So definitely expect to hear much more about this potentially more bills on a docket. Theres one antisemitism bill on the docket for this week to come to the floor, it would essentially change the definition that the Education Department uses to enforce antidiscrimination laws. But how minority leader hakeem jeffries, the top democrat, Calling On Johnson to stage another vote on antisemitism legislation. So this is just the beginning in terms of how congress is going to react to this unfolding of course, the challenge clinch that all of these administration, these College Administrations are dealing with the democrats are dealing with, is that, of course, there are plenty of people who are trying to express very legitimate concern, identification with palestinians who are suffering, who need the humanitarian aid. As you point out, republicans have focused in on and we have seen a number a very ugly incidents of antisemitism. This is something though that is dividing the Democratic Party because of political pressures. There. I want to show you how to democratic members, dan goldman and alexandria ocasiocortez who come at this from slightly different perspectives, how they each talked about it. Watch i think we need to talk about whats right and the right thing to do is to not call police and to not call violent enforcement. Men on kids that are really not hurting anybody or doing anything wrong. Theres no question that everyone has a right to free speech. But you do not have a right to make School Unsafe for other students so what do you make of how each of those are talking about this differently . And i will also note for what ocasiocortez had to stay theyre columbia has been trying to avoid bringing police badge, right . They had been trying to deal with this and kind of let it peter out. They thought that they were going to escalate by bringing police in they didnt do that. And now were here. Yeah, this is sort of been the divide that, that democrats have been struggling with since october 7 since hamas brought that attack on israel brewery beginning this war, its pitted those proisrael, a lot of jewish democrats against more propalestinian democrats who are concerned about the mounting humanitarian deaths in gaza and like i said, weve seen this play out at every juncture of the israelhamas war. This being now the latest flashpoint. I mean, the interesting thing is dan goldman. He wasnt, he didnt visit columbia last week, but a few of his Jewish Democratic colleagues did jared moskowitz, kathy manning, some other ones . Im sorry. Actually, dan goldman was there. He was on columbias Campus Walking through and speaking to jewish students and essentially saying that the administrators need to do a better job of protecting this cohort of students. While councilman ocasiocortez also visited columbia last week, but not to walk through the school and to speak to do as students. But she spoke with a propalestine demonstrators and she spoke with the folks at the encampment. So were really seeing this splitscreen develop between democrats, which is why i said that the top, there earlier, that House Republicans are going to do a full court press on this issue for democrats, for somebody like jeffries leading his caucus, its much different because this has been something that has divided the caucus again, at every juncture of this one longrunning war. Well, and you have the white house essentially saying cringe, im, here at the podium yesterday saying its up to the administration of these colleges to do this, which demonstrates how difficult it is for them. I mean, as his reelection fight looms, yeah. And weve seen House Republicans and some House Democrats call on the columbia president to resign. So theres a lot of different ways that folks are coming at this, but also this issue is been a weak spot for President Biden. I mean, we saw that uncommitted vote in michigan. I think youve got up to what, about 20 that shows that there really is a contingent of the electorate that is frustrated with his handling of the israelhamas war. That is really frustrated. Hence, criticized those mounting humanitarian are you in deaths in the gaza strip . So democrats are sort of having to figure out how to walk around this issue and how to figure out messaging on this issue. Because again, it all gets back to pitting those proisrael democrats against the propalestine progressives and liberals. And its been something that the colic is really struggled with. And honestly, it has not really figured out a way that to bring the entire group together on such an explosive visionary, very explosive issue michael shaw for us. Michael, thank you. I really appreciate it. All right. And just hours, former President Trump will be back in a manhattan courtroom. His Hush Money Trial resumes today. The banker, gary ferro, will continue his testimony from friday. He is expected to walk the jury through the paperwork for a Home Equity Credit Line that the former trump lawyer, Michael Cohen used to front the hush money that was paid to Stormy Daniels to help us understand where all this is going. Lets bring in cnn legal analyst, joey jackson. Joey. Good morning to you. So what do we think those first few days . The testimony from david pecker, the former National Enquirer publisher, that was salacious. There were a lot of details to add digest, i guess is what i will say how do you think that this testimony is going to stack up to that is a banker. Its about alone, its kind of technical, but it does seem to illustrate what a big deal this was me taking out a Home Equity Line of credit is something that you do only when there is something thats very important to you without question, casey, good morning to you. So yes, the Pecker Testimony was Salacious Button because prosecutors certainly wanted to lay the foundation. Remember for what the case is all about according to the theory of the case, they being prosecutors is about the conspiracy and the cover up. Now, we get to more dry testimony, but certainly testimony thats needed. Why . I think what prosecutors are doing case he is trying to make Michael Cohen as irrelevant as they possibly can. Yes, we know hes a sentence drew a witness in the case. We know we significant and well lay everything out, but all the other witnesses. Right. You have packer who testifies, right . You have, of course, trumps longtime Administrative Assistant who testifies, hey, Stormy Daniels was visited or is in the ledger somewhere as was Karen Mcdougal and by the way, she couldve been visiting that his stormy because of the fact that she was auditioned for celebrity apprentice. Now we have the issue of the banker. We have the issue of the shell corporations that were set up and designed to pay Karen Mcdougals. She was never that never happened. Of course. That was fronted by the National Enquirer. But now we have the essence Stormy Daniels laying the foundation, laying more paper, dont have to believe Michael Cohen believe all the information and all the documentation and all the ledgers and statements that lead up to, as you know, the hilal Home Equity Line of credit, why did he do it trumps team will say, hey, acted on his own, he act that out fealty to the boss. Trump had nothing to do with it. The jury may have a different conclusion. A different conclusion indeed, joey, were still waiting on this gag order question. My understanding is were supposed to hear about it at some point this week. I mean, have you seen anything over the course of the past few days that might add to the pile of things the judge could consider it or hear how where does that stand in your view so it stands with i think that the prosecutors are really calling trump on everything and anything that he may post or that he may say that relates to a violation of the gag order, right . Obviously, youre in a president ial Election Year that the former president should have the ability to the political and too bad mouth the judge and bad mount the prosecutor. That is mr. Bragg and mr. Judge. Marsha, can but youve got to stay away from other people, like jurors and witnesses, and family members et cetera. And so i think where it stands is there waiting prosecutors to ensure that it is inclusive . That is the hearing of every thank that trump may have done that would have gone amiss of this gag order giving their by the judge more information and more of an inclination to do with prosecutors want at this point, prosecutors want to hold Trump Accountable to the tune of financial fines, right . Well see whether it escalates from there, but i think certainly thatll be a day when the hearing comes on thursday to hold. Mr. Trump accountable whenever casey, the judge says to the attorneys, hey, im on impressed, you, losing credibility here. Its never a great sign not a great sign joey, big picture. There was a former assistant da wrote this editorial in the time she basically argues that this case is very runofthemill. She said, the simplicity and runofthemill nature of the prosecution makes it easier to defend against claims of politicization in the following sense. Mr. Trump was a businessman for many years in new york long before he was president , if others would be prosecuted for this conduct and no man is above the law then he should be two do you agree with her in this sense . I mean, as we know so much about this as a political tug of war, about credibility and the former president at trying to undermine the legitimacy of the proceedings i agree with the great senator from new york, Daniel Patrick moynihan. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. No one is entitled to their own set of facts. The reality is, is that prosecutors have a great deal of discretion, casey and in that discretion, you see some cases moving forward, other cases not i also hear people say, hey, you know what it was passed . On, this prosecution specifically by the southern district. So theres nothing to see here. Nonsense. Ive tried cases that have been passed on by other Law Enforcement entities that are seized upon by others. And so i think that if were going to, lets use the editorial now against the rider. Say that everyone is equal under the law than that applies so what prosecution that prosecuted believed to be appropriate. If you have someone attempting to some vert an election in any regard and theyre doing it in a way thats allegedly illegal. I think there needs to be accountability. And so the prosecutor could have prosecuted yes. The financial case decided not to opted to do this. Well, within their discretion, if theres a i can hear jury will decide if theres not a violation and nothing significant. Hell be acquitted thats ash system of justice prosecutors do what they think is appropriate to protect the public. I think its perfectly legitimate prosecution. I think the jury could be fair and reasonable, and well see what they say in their verdict. All right. Joey jackson for us. Joey. Thank you so much. Cnns Trial Coverage starts today at 9 30 a. M. Dont miss it. All right. 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Physicians mute, physicians, you chew, how it really happens with jesse l. Martin sundays at night on cnn. Close captioning is brought to you by skechers handsfree slip in neil, handsfree skechers slip and sandals, Light Company sandals. You never have to touch or bend down the put on the exclusive Heel Strap Guides are put into place. Lets get through, slip and sandals now, Secretary Of State Antony Blinking is in jordan to meet with king abdullah. He is trying to jumpstart, talks to free israeli hostages bring a ceasefire to gaza. Hell also visit israel later today during, ill discuss democratic strategist joel rubin. He served as Deputy Assistant Secretary Of State under president obama. Joel. Good morning. Thank you so much for being here as weve also been following this Breaking News at home, i think it really underscores the urgency of Secretary Blinkens mission big picture. Do you think we are closer than we have ever been to a hostage deal on a ceasefire or what is the status of these talks . Yeah, were really close. Casey, its not done yet. And its Secretary Blinken talked about how it was very generous offer. Hes putting the pressure on through the arab allies that he met with yesterday in the gulf. And hes going to continue to meet with the real Stumbling Block is the question of what happens next. Actually, its not necessarily the technicals of the deal itself, but is this going to be a sustainable . Are permanent ceasefire, which is what hamas is seeking. And are seeking guarantees that they wont be obliterated quite frankly, quite frankly, by israel after hostage exchange. I mean, were getting really into some diabolical turf here, right . Now where hamas is holding onto these hostages as a last chance protection. And israels arguing if they dont get the deal, if theres no exchange, we could see israel invade rafah, which of course would make what were seeing on our screens right now at the campuses explode. So were really to tense moment and its very close, but its not there yet. Yeah. Well speaking the campus is i want to bring this to our viewers because its just in here to cnn were reporting that banners have been hung from Hamilton Hall. And again, Hamilton Hall. Is this storied building eye on the campus of columbia of maine Academic Building, but it was also occupied in 1968 during the protest movements. Theyre again in 19 and 72 again in 1985. But joel, were just learning, were working on a turning these pictures around so we can actually show people video obtained by cnn shows the building after it was taken over as banners are displayed from a Building Window that read heinz hall and intifada. Now, the one heinz hall, the Student Group statement explained thats an Honor Of A Young And Girl Hind Rajab from gaza. She was found dead in her car with her relatives after she came under israeli fire. So thats what that means. But this intifada a banner, can you just i mean, this is being hung against a backdrop of a campus where jewish students have talked about feeling unsafe. We have seen instances of antisemitism rear their ugly heads. How do you view the hanging of intifada on the building . Well, its incitement language. When you put it into fada as basically a public display of a position of a protest movement. What youre doing is youre telling jewish students in particular that they are not safe. And so its a dare its a challenge to what the administration of columbia is pushing back against. And i think its unfortunate because for those palestinian activists and propalestinian propene activists who once you get the message across to a broader audience, this is not how you do it. By scaring fewer students in by telling the American People that you want violent revenue pollution. And there are other ways to get the message across that language that goes too far outside Hamilton Hall early tuesday morning, were also reporting students were chanting from the river to the sea. Palestine will be free again, that means explain. Well it from reverted to see is a classic standing for for elimination of the state of israel. And thats when the Jewish Community gets its backup as it should. And we shouldnt. Im american jew and ill say that probably that the idea of elimination of the state of israel is a clear antisemitic argument. There are ways to get across the need for a ceasefire, the need for peace, the need for a twostate solution. And thats really what we should all be aiming for. Thats what to go back to this diplomacy. Thats what a secretaries act advocating. Thats what the arab allies in the middle east are advocating to. They want a day after scenario thats not easy and its not as if Prime Minister netanyahu is exactly grabbing that goal either. Hes been rejecting it. So theres a lot of work to be done. But if we want peace in the middle east, there has to give me a twostate solution. The idea that one victory over the other and nobody get and one side doesnt get any land. The other gets everything. Thats the recipe for continued fighting and more. Can i come back to the intifada word again because i mean the straight translating is arabic word for uprising. But theres a lot of context around it and how its used currently can you just kind of give us like the oneonone on what that means and how it would make a student perhaps he was a supporter of israel or comes from israel or any of those things feel well, five to the first intifada goes back to 1987. Actually, when there was a uprising in the west bank. And into 1988 against Israeli Occupation there. And so this is its continued as an argument for liberation of palestine. And for revolution the thing now is when nc fathers advocated, when theres an argument about it in favor of, of the palestinian position, its arguing that violent activity is what should be executed to achieve the goal that globalized the insofar the, for example, is to attack israel. Attack israel both from a physical perspective and boycott divest from israel. And its very aggressive term, it does not bring in people, it does not build alliances, but it does build what were seeing, which is a lot of hostility right now and that unfortunately makes jewish students on campus particular and those who support the state of israel feel very nervous about their safety. Its not, it doesnt mean peace. It is not a call for peace. It is a call for uprising. All right. Joel rubin for us, joel. Thank you. I really appreciate it. All right. Lets take a little breather and go to sports. Now, defending nba champion Denver Nuggets send lebron james and the lakers home home for the summer in a game five thriller, andy scholes has this mornings bleach report, andy, good morning. Morning, casey. So jamal murray just coming through in the clutch once again for the nuggets and theyre now moving on and they tried to defend their nba title. This was a fantastic game, pick it up late in the fourth quarter. Lebrons going to drive here hes going to get the bucket to put the lakers up by one. Now, moments later off the ms arun board gets the offensive rebound, gets its a murray knocked down to three, the brahma they make too three now free throws to tie it. Then it was marie coming off the nikola jokic screen and he does it again. The clutch bucket there, lakers no timeout. They dont even get a good shot off in the final seconds. Nuggets when 108, 2106 murray, 32 points and once again, was like is it is a dream come true, obvious bears on your side to get it done in this fashion. We know saying i dont know how long im just happy for us all right. So lebron and the lakers now ousted by the nuggets for a second straight season, the broad, he has a Player Option for next season, so he could become a free agent. He was asked, well this could have been his last game with a laker tonight. Was there any thought at all . Just could have been your last game with the lakers im not going to answer that appreciate it all right interesting answer their elsewhere the Thunder Finishing off the pelicans 97, 89 to complete the sweep of that series. Last this was the first series win for okc since 2016. And ill wait the winner between the mavi and the clippers, you got two more Playoff Games coming your way tonight and our sister channel ten the knicks, are going to try to close out the sixers at seven easter and then the pacers have a shot at eliminating box that one. Is at 9 30 back at it again, baby ball right there, man feels good to be ic i remember coming here 12 years ago. Man all right travis kelce, he was all fired up after signing a new contract with achieves their reportedly makes him the highest tight in and football according i felt network calcium get our and 34. 25 million over the twoyear deal casey, i will say its been quite a few years for travis kelce, threetime super bowl champion now and dating taylor swift hes arguably the most popular player in the entire nfl. I will say his quotes about being famous in kansas city is not the same as being famous around the globe. Now taylor swift i hear that all right, andy, thank you very much. Really appreciate it. Up next year, if you are just joining us, rep. Breaking news overnight campus unrest escalating protesters at Columbia University, barricaded themselves inside the historic Hamilton Hall plus a tragedy in North Carolina, four officers killed in the line of duty youre calling some people find theres at an early age. 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