Welcome to the whole store. Im Anderson Cooper. We are less than seven months away from the next president ial election. But even now, for years after joe biden one, there are, there are a number of down trumps porters who dispute those results. And thats not all they dispute. The january 6 attack was an insurrection dispute. The idea of separation of church and state in america. Some even dispute that the last super bowl was played honestly, and they blame taylor swift for rigging the outcome over the next hour, cnns Donie Osullivan dives deep into the undercurrent of viral misinformation by speaking directly to those who believe in conspiracies and those who are trying to battle them this event today is at a church but not entirely clear what kind of church it really is one of the Guest Speakers there today is a man by the name of derek evans. He spent three months in prison for his role in the attack on the us capitol and now hes running for congress that was excellent. Thank you so very much. Thank you. We are on to with us today, a gentleman that has extremely interesting stories. Derek evans ajs six survivor, and hes wanting to account as well. So lets give him a warm welcome. We also. Thank you for coming out. Your never eight days of Solitary Confinement was are fused the Covid Vaccine while theyre holding the hospital called risser exchange, we need to release the january 6 prisoners and lock up he stole the Election NationalMedia Headlines about you is january 6 insurrectionist. Now hes running for congress what do you want people to know about you beyond . Thats big headline. Well, first of all, my husband and im a father. Ive got four beautiful children. I love my family very much. A lamont community. I love my country and i think its despicable that the media and particularly cnn, has helped paint this false narrative of insurrection. How would you characterize what happened on january so january 6 was the most patriotic de of mine going up with his during the golden rule i did nothing wrong that day. We have natural godgiven rots in this country. I know a lot of people out there and a lot of your viewers who were probably a lot of good people, but they believe that our rods come from the government. Thats simply not true or rods come from god or gone down calm down and back down. Heard reminding people hello to be peaceful and nonviolent and nondestructive in the capital loss of property i did more to control the crowd and the police did that de and im the one that goes to prison. So why were you sent to prison . Because this is a political charges right now. Im a political prisoner. All these people in prison around our political prisoners, you did decide to plead guilty out a practicality. What i mean when youre facing 24 years in prison, what options you really i was ready to move on with My Life And The Constitutional is written for one reason, one reason only is written to prevent the government from infringing on our natural godgiven rights. What i was doing that day was not only protected by the constitution, it was protected by those natural godgiven rights of free speech, but also of course, theres a Separation Between Church And State is not theres no separation of church and state thats another law thats been portrayed by the lab. Theres no separation of church and state. Theres not one ever invoking religion to promote our politics and justify our actions is indeed before he was running for congress, derek made a name for himself, harassing women outside Abortion Clinics but what was happening here . Ive got two pronouns in this church, it felt different hi well i guess we got the fake news here. You might as well get The Real News because here, Conspiracy Theories Reign Supreme years and i have a very high level source who contacted me the other day and said, and you need to get this out because this is the playbook you look at oklahoma, you look at 9 11 and you realize the reason planes flew into buildings and bombs have gone off in certain places is because theyre destroying evidence. Youve been labeled an extremist fossil. Yeah, you would say falsey the stuff he posted on Christmas Day what about it . The democrats being you probably shouldnt have that. I want to see fauci in handcuffs. Ill let see mayorkas in handcuffs. I want to see them standing right now in front of a jury shall i want to see them in front of a jury shackled in a Military Tribunal and whatever the jury decides, we accept that that outcome keep in mind that this is warfare. This is a battle of good versus evil. Now the second class citizens, the suppressed, did not have Freedom Of Speech the dod, by the way, is behind the development of the covid shots behind the development of this horrific Killing Machine are we have a candle. All right, welcome. Im at a good day. He later that evening, some of the congregation gathered nearby at a Sister Church this is a free call from jeremy and incarcerated individual at citrus county, florida for the last 826 days. I observed that the political Prisoner Of War in my whole country jeremy brown was a member of the O Key Purpose Militia and was seen outside the capital on january 6. He called into the church and began preaching Conspiracy Theories that trumps supporters werent really responsible for the attack january 2021 will be claimed that sign compartmentalize Unconventional Warfare operation play and executed by Copper Elements within the department of the intelligence community, and federal Law Enforcement this is gorgeous how are you . Good, nice three to see thanks so much ravenous yeah. My name Rachel Powell and ive had eight kids. So ive been busy i have my seventh grandchild coming up to be born this year this is your last weekend before you going to prison for the next four or five years, have you been spending the weekend . I know its not a funeral procession, but it kind of reminds me of that. My friends, my family, theyve been coming in and just been really busy, which is good because when it gets when it gets quiet for a minute, thats when the motion settings. Do you remember where you were when you heard this . Biden had won the election . I do. I was at my house and i got a Phone Call Thing that biden won and i was like, whats you couldnt believe it . No, absolutely. And people around me couldnt believe it either. You cant believe it. I still cant believe it what did you decide to . Go to dc on january 6 . Well, how often does a president asked you to come to a rally doesnt happen. At some point. This goes from peaceful protest to you having ice ax and your hand, like somebody gives you the icer yeah. Who . I dont know. You dont remember youd admit this as a bad look, obviously. Oh, totally know how down my field when i look at this picture, like, oh, my goodness, like you had an accident or end you broke window you are shouting over a bullhorn to tell people to take the building yeah. Why should people believe that you werent trying to overturn the election and do something illegal and cms insurrection its ridiculous. If we wanted if we went there with a plan to take that building with as many people as were there. We were coordinated. Wed have been in there and like 30 seconds have you ever had a moment where youre like maybe im wrong, maybe biden that she won the election maybe im the Conspiracy Theorist no. Not at all. Now so in a few days youre going to be reporting to federal prison, right . How have you talked about that to your children . Yeah. Im sorry. Its like my last week and before i go, it but im like i love my children so much and it feels like the last thing they can take from me and im thatll be the hard part. And i dont deserve this. And when kids dont deserve it, what have we not been through enough like this . The last thing that we have to lose as each other it had been just three years since the Capital Attack the day that cost lives and ruin lives but the truth of what happened that day has been so twisted lies about january 6 was have been relentless, almost like it was a coordinated operation so forms. 20 confirmed incidents. That dozens of fads, mpi, just State Operatives who infiltrated the trump crowds on january 6, us capitol, we have total on top of all the other proof, more proof that those who took part in the attack are being loaded in churches. Oddball corruption that happens surrounding january 6, the feds direction because we know that the federal government wasnt and the man who incited at all these still bigger so this has says rachel, we love you, trump are you hoping trump . Pardon you. I know hell pardon me. Thats not a hope. I know that trump will pardon me. Rachel still had faith in trump even phasing the election lies that were sending her to prison but how will i read these lies among the wider trump base . I went to vegas to find out. Do i put it all on red . Are all on black tonight . I put it on 212121. Okay yeah bad. How did you sleep crazy. Good. That sleep expert guy at Mattress Firm match me with my perfect mattress. I feel like things are clear now, you know, like i dont like, you the right mattress matters will find yours. Mattress firm good job. 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I believe trump is the only hope are either on the earth from police doing a whole lot of trouble i feel like the Mainstream Media, but makes me feel like my views are, im wrong for having my view i was a lifelong democrat until 2019 until 2090. Yes. But change donald trump get cnn. Thats what we thought. Yeah. Are you guys going to cover it like accurately . You dont think is accurate . That really i think you guys do soundbites verjee most your news and information now, i go to multiple different sources, like telegram i try to stay off the main sites, like facebook itself. My god, all got algorithms and stuff like that that are designed to hide your post. You get fat check unphased. Well factchecked by some guy that is 30 years old living in his mosque basement. I would love to speak to put it on the camera if you dont want to share, we might as well put it on camera the job of the journalist is to ask the questions, allow the person to speak, and just report the facts. What was spoken. Would you like for me to pull up the definition of journalists . Okay. But thank you, julia, i met juliane a diehard Trump Supporters from texas, who has in vegas for a gun show i have a god given right to speak my own truth. She Still Believes the 2020 election was stolen, but there are facts the facts have shown that the election was stolen. Whether youre willing to look at that and accept that, and really show whats going on. Thats your issue, not ours. We want the god freedom that our constitution and our Bill Of Rights is based on. God given Constitutional Rights there are two Different Things right now. So theyre not read our ead the constitution read it out loud to yourself so that you hear what the words of the constitution say. God isnt mentioned in the Constitution Sar you had to learn the constitution to becoming a us citizen. No, i couldnt you did it. You did not have to learn the constitution or the Bill Of Rights died coming citizen foreigner, us citizen. My moms american, but this isnt, this isnt about me you just made a statement. You made you tried to make what year spring, is a factual so how would that god is not talked about in the constitution and Bill Of Rights. Okay . Okay. Hold on. I can pull it up on my frontier if we can make sure im trying to, i might have just gotten something wrong which theyll probably use that to you have to let me say this. And this is probably why i get it in the United States, the Federal Constitution does not make a reference to god as such. Although it uses the formula, the year of our lord part, which is capitalize in article seven yeah, theres only one lord capitalised l0 or do cell. There is a reference to god odd and our constitution. And in our Bill Of Rights, certainly an article seven, and article seven do read it once states the date. One reference theres enough it refers to the year of the lord, capital l or theres only one lord religion has. Always played a role in American Politics. Hope pius the 12th said into the hands of a merrick god has placed afflicted mankind, a may three but whats happening now is different. Prince jason we just talked your guy did a place right now. Hes democrat. I dont even want you around this church, didnt get out get out, you demon get out your baby butchering an Election Thief you cannot be a christian invoked, give a crowdedness, nike, we are going to have One Nation Under God and one religion under god. Im tired of the separation of church and state junk. It has a name its called Christian Nationalism. I say it probably we should be christian nationalists january 6 crosses everywhere. Huge poster of a white jesus with the make America Great again, red hat as a christian, it just grabbed my guts and got me furious were going to reclaim america for christ, retake america for christians. So we hold up president trump, but for the tray this is an explicitly Christian Country trey the bible says, those that truly follow jesus christ take it both force this perversion of patriotism and face has postures across the country worried that their flocks are being led astray i see in American Christian nationalism toxic anxiety and rage. And i see it tearing families apart Christian Nationalism is not christian at all. I started getting called names by people that i loved and had known for over a decade i was called a Fascist A Communists and then i had a spirit of fear every piece of evidence cells a story how it really happened with jesse l. Martin tonight at nine on cnn allergies with a leg they wont stop me. Nothing beats my graph. 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And this is cnn close captioning brought to you by gilt visit gilt. Com today for up to 70 off designer brands, it has the designers that get your heart racing. Had inside a prices new every day, hurry be gone in a flash, Designer Sales at up to 70 sop gilt. Com today there is a demonic hedge of protection around joe biden if this nation is going to succeed, they better put christians into office you vote for the person who holds closest to them. Look a Worldview Value they preached Christian Nationalism and they pray for trump but this pastor says they are leaving their flocks in a dangerous direction as a father, we give you this time, as we think about how we manage our common life together as we think about government and politics are concern today is local extremism. On the right side of American Politics so thats what what we have tried to this event today is organized in response to Christian Nationalism. Weve recognized that theres a deficiency in Training Pastors to how to actually engage scripture, and then apply that into the political life. And so it is an answer to what we saw as an aberration from the teachings of jesus, which is American Christian nationalism. Those kinds of pastor Caleb Campbell knows a lot about extremism he used to be a neonazi skin head who played the drums when i was a teenager, i fell in with the group and skin heads and did that kinda after high school. We had a woman from the church was dialing drummers and called me and said, can you come play at the church . He began thing here at the Desert Springs bible church 23 years later. Hes still here lets in this room. Where you had your awakening . Yeah. Are traditionally call it like a Conversion Experience . And i was baptized in this room. Its been quite a ride. I definitely didnt expect to be pastor, much less a pastor in church like this. Do you know how many times god is mentioned in this . And the constitution . Zero yeah. It gets mentioned once i think our lord, just in terms of in the year of our lord Evangelical Christians of which i am one im a theological evangelical. They are generally operating under the assumption that the Christian God is all over the declaration of independence, the constitution. And then ill just invite them to read it lets read it together and lets just highlight all this spaces that anything uniquely christian shows up and youll notice that we have not had to plot our highlighter there are certainly ideas that have been shaped throughout Human History by the christian tradition its not power that dominates are six pastor caleb is not alone in his fight against Christian Nationalism in milwaukee, where trump will officially be declared the republican in candidate at the rnc this summer pastures Jackson Jacobson and shaw are also sounding the alarm. Can you really with a straight face, look at life, teachings, way and Death Of Jesus and line that up with the correlates of Christian Nationalism, anti muslim racist antiimmigrant. I mean, it just doesnt work what ill hear events is the Founding Fathers for Christian America was built off christian values therefore, this is a Christian Country and we should have christian government why then is jesus nor christianity mentioned in the constitution then why would you even placing their freedom of religion . So to me the argument is silly, is nonsense. Im going to really have a problem with christianity of you say that it was found of a christian values with the things that took place, right here on american soil. What was done to the Native Americans land, what was done to my people, eight others . Dennis, i can sense that youre particularly but yeah. I mean, i this really gets to you. Yeah. Does ive headed up to here with distortion of one of the most astonishing revolutionaries into a white cheeses wearing a red maga hat its just unbelievable to me. I think one reason that younger people are walking right past the door to church is because of the idiocy they see in this movement so a lot of americans believe that god views america as special we tell ourselves that thats part of how we have justified things like warfare. This crusade this war on terrorism its going to take awhile. Weve said were the good. Theyre the evil. God has this relationship with the past few days when ive been at that window upstairs, i thought a bit of the shining city upon a hill. Reagan invited okay that america is the city on a hill. Well, thats jerusalem thats biblical language used of jerusalem in 2020, Pastor Campbell began losing congregants so as a evangelical preacher, ill alliterate. It was floyd fauci and the federal election so what were they angry about oh, the way that we navigated a Global Pandemic our response to george floyd and his murder, just the fact that we called it murder was met with resistance and then the federal election came. And i was accused of advocating for the blue team because i didnt from the Stage Advocate for the red team. I dont tell people how i vote and by taking that posture is viewed as a betrayal of what god had chosen some of his congregants left for you Dream City Church at place steeped in Christian Nationalism is the duty of our christian nation to select next and prefer christians. For their rulers very special. Thank you to the Dream City Church. The Hosting Peace to foster caleb has spent months attending christian nationalists events, something he documents in his book, Disarming Leviathan most of the folks that ive met, like on the ground im not talking about the leaders and the purveyors of American Krishna they truly believe that this is what god wants. I honor their patriots because i share much of their sentiments but they are afraid theyre anxious about being erased. I think at the heart of this movement is the anxiety of ethnic or racial that our way of being in the world is under imminent threat do you see similarities there and wash you are looking for . Yeah. Its what all of us are looking for were made as communal creatures, were made for each other so for me as a angry rage filled teenager i found those things in this community in American Christian nationalist circles, many people are finding safety, belonging, purpose. The problem is that youre not actually truly safe if you ask a critical question and a christian nationalists circle you will be tossed out. Youll be viewed as, you know, theres one of the phrases, a rhino, a republican in name only but this isnt just about christians and churches its about how distrust and fear is affecting our understanding of reality i think you guys do sound bites. My conversation with joe back in vegas had been briefed but he had given me as number to stay in touch theyll pay joe. How are you doing i thought our conversation the other day was very interesting. So i wanted to see if youd be open to chatting about that a bit further. Maybe id come come to colorado to visit because it you sure mom lets go to colorado when the. Jinx came out, i thought, oh, my god when bob has a friend, he expects blind loyalty. Are going to be why do them surprises have you heard sling tv offers the news you love for less weight. You look and sound just like me actually i am, you. 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I wanted to understand better why joe doesnt trust someone like me a journalist from the socalled Mainstream Media he let us hang out with him for a couple of days here in grand jury junction, colorado have you always been interested in politics since obama ive been pretty interested in politics. Okay, so 2008 yeah what was it about obama that got you interested it was just all the talk around resident of the United States is a very smooth talking character. Hope is that thing inside each of us, there is no challenge too great great, no mission too hard. Its up there and hes very articulate the words as flow, right out of his mouth. Obama you got to be careful for smooth dockers so if you want to find out whats going on in the world, just right now today. What do you do that check out different platforms that i feel that i can trust one being telegram telegram is definitely one. Yeah telegram is a platform first developed in russia that has few rules, few moderators, and no factcheckers they made their big rise to fame after the 20 in 20 election. So explain that to us telegram gets big when, when twitter and facebook and even google, like youtube and stuff were sensoring a lot of information that they were calling miss information cnn are we got some more Breaking News coming into the situation . To room right now with the president s twitter account has been suspended. I feel like thats an insult to people to not be able to look at information into discern it themselves. Theyre basically calling that person is stupid joe says his facebook account was banned for sharing a meme about january 6, becerra on my phone one day and all of a sudden has been deactivated. How does that feel . It was horrible i liked facebook social marketplace. We can do business, you can find things. So its like being cut off of a part of life. Its like thanks a lot. Mark or whoevers in charge. So whats a channel you follow on Telegram Phone to see Somebody News for today. My favorite one, its called patriot memes. Its a lot of memes thats care couple of minutes. Not a woman, not a hero not a woman. Thats the bud lights person present carrying skills, right . Were not a hero george floyd i visited joe a couple of weeks before the super bowl it was just as the Conspiracy Theory, the taylor swift was helping read the game to help biden started circulating online. Whos one of the first things that popped up on chose feed . Lets go to something thats like news though. Yeah, citizens, this is from Benny Johnson by now. Everyone knows taylor swift has a government psi up. And this is exactly why Corporate Media is having a meltdown about it. You dont believe taylor swift as a gordon say i dont know what to believe about taylor swift. Its good to keep your mind open. Could she be now shes dating a pfizer and bud light agent in the nfl because were a few weeks from the super bowl yeah. Nurse, take an endorsement from taylor swift. There . Yeah. Via ministration and then whos going to win the super bowl. But you dont take the super bowl is goodness seeing it. Do you think i think footballs braved . Yeah. Okay theres a cnn clip in here. Watch cnn has a meltdown over. Our coverage of the taylor swift sayyed up. Here are the latest Conspiracy Theory making the rounds at the super bowl will be rigged for kelce and the kansas city chiefs. And the endgame is swift endorsing fighting after the big game. Here are some of the messages. Im trying not to laugh circulating on social media. Vivek ramaswamy, i watched which win the super, but did she do trying not to laugh . Im trying not to laugh. You dont kind of thing. So why isnt it okay to take that in into let it register and think about it for a minute. Could that be possible . That there could be some funding going to taylor swift or stuff like that that could lean her into a certain direction so that she would support somebody i mean, that could be totally possible i call that a Conspiracy Theory. Okay. Sure. Yeah. What what i find most difficult to believe, but the taylor swift, travis kelce super bowl Conspiracy Theory is that you think the democrats the so organized organized. Do you think . I do . Yes were gonna get together as well as reading the super bowl. And taylor is going to back biden for president thats just so much stuff like that is so much organization, but not that hard. You dont think rigging the election, itd be a lot more complicated this is a fraud on the american public. We know there was massive fraud. It was a rigged election it seems that trumps convincing one of millions of americans at the last election was rigged has opened some kind of gateway that the election was stolen. Results the results are to say thats, thats another law thats been portrayed by the lab. Theres no separation of church and state which one morning . Troll by the illuminati their life twist. And theyre tagging the children there kind of files the gateway ten alternate reality. You where anything is possible january sinks some kind of inside job where taylor swift and rig the super bowl are you a cue fan . Like them . I like watching them. Joe had been generous in sharing his news habits with me. So i showed him some of the news that i read. But you never see these shared around your telegram channel. And while i wasnt there to change his mind, he was pretty surprised to find out that cnn fact check next President Biden okay. So joe biden said, Gun Manufacturers are the only industry in america exempt from being sued during this is false. And we laid out there as to why what he said is false yeah, i like that. And look, theres a lot more you should do that more so we have these fact checks here, biden rice, but we obviously have way more trump and, thats just because trump says more stuff thats false trump and manufacturing jobs trump claimed in november speech in texas, we created an incredible 1. 2 million new manufacturing jobs. The us actually lost 170,000 miles factoring jobs during trumps presidency i dont know if its right or wrong again, its in your sights but if we go, as you say, go our research, we click in its from Economic Research organization like we do put in the source material, were not plucking it out of our eyes this is from the Federal Reserve bank of st. Louis. So term the fed john trust, if no, not really we are at an impasse. My fred look, i appreciate your willingness to sit down and talk the kind of Conspiracy Theories joe was seeing every day on telegram might seem harmless, even silly. But theyre not theyre corroding trust in american democracy. 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But you end up watching dear right ill at all of them, right there youre like, i dont know whats going on today so big contrast to politics in the state its not, a swan a bonus that has made it really become this kind of ground zero of Election Craziness i think it becomes a battleground because as verging on losing its redness, they want to keep it as red as those rocks yeah. Jerry roles spent most of her life working in the court system. Good morning, mr. Chairman. And members of the board, but nothing prepared her for becoming the Election Director of a small county in arizona. In my career ive done a lot of things i have been treated better by murderers, Child Molester is thieves, rapists, the defendants have treated me far better than the political parties. And the elected representatives Military Step in and reading what are election. Jerry is just one of hundreds of Election Officials that have been driven out of their job because of hate and intimidation in her resignation email, jerry said that she had been subject to ridicule, Disrespect Attacks on her reputation and not just from voters i had the party chair in my office and for other people and they were yelling. Theyre threatening, theyre veiled threats. The republicans and our county, they want their party to be on top to maintain control and you voted for trump in 2016 . I sure did. You were a registered republican . I was all your life . Yes. The first guy i ever voted for was Richard Nixon not proud, but its true you said you heard all sorts that the things that people believe what have you heard them believing . I had a guy tell me that he could hack into our election equipment through the power outlet. He could come in through the one ten power outlet they believe that all of those folks that are volunteering are being paid to handle the ballots our somehow i dont know Sleight Of Hand they believe that were somehow doing something with them, not counting them. I dont care what anybody else says. Our election was stolen superstition or superstitious superstition. Jerry lives at the first of the Superstition Mountain range in arizona she says the intimidation that forced her to quit her job was fueled by miss information. Some stuff you just said there. But what people believe hacking, true, a power outlet, Everything Else . Nonsensical people watching when i say, if theyre just stupas, theyre just stupid people but its never been like this before. It never has been like this. Before. I and im not stupidity what they are saying is nonsensical. No, theyre not stupid people. But they have a drive in an agenda and so they will craft that message to serve their own purposes and they really dont care about truth or integrity. They just want the outcome their outcome i think thats it. So why all this haste, why all this vilification of you i wish i knew i i really dont know. I just know that i became a target and i began to feel very unsafe or end up in gallo even humans probably not right . The research and do my own research. And do you all third Party Checkers all you do is be allen dukes because one of those factcheckers i had heard about like whos back checking, you know what i mean . You dont know whos acting alan regularly receives threatening voicemails like these you are the Scum Of The Earth i really hope you people get whats coming to you and it will come to you, have to worry hes a former cnn journalist, his factcheck can company has worked for the likes of facebook where his fact checks appear over four halts posts. Its a Program Facebook introduced a few years ago to try and curb the spread of misinformation what do you think people imagine . Fact checkers to be . That im. Part of some conspiracy or conspiracies that im this evil plotter whos trying to steal their voices from them. How do people feel when they get factchecked i imagine just like if i were to walk up to you and tell you that youre wrong about something. So you can understand why people are off. I understand this and be off at me. But that doesnt make our work faults or unimportant or negative, or a conspiracy allen, jerry and pastures caleb jackson, jacobson and shaw are all on the frontlines of the fight against disinformation and division in this country. Theyre standing up for community for integrity, for truce if you believe a lot of this misinformation youre going to believe that our country three is on the brink of extinction or destruction it can lead you to take action that you really wouldnt otherwise do. And that can be very dangerous. I think we are at risk of terrible violence, increasing violence in this country whatever is going on right now its not fair to people who work in Elections Department and it is runing what is the cornerstone of our democracy the biggest for me is losing our church, our way of worship i dont really know what the big solution is. Were doing. What we can ive noticed in the public conversation, a lot of despairing and a lot of derision and a lot of their too far gone. I dont believe that at all. I believe that every person can see we have truth. The bible is full of stories like that. And our churches full of stories like that and our history is full of stories like that so dont give up in the remaining months of this years president ial campaign, donie will continue to investigate and report on the misinformation hes seeing in politics on both sides hi thanks for watching the whole story. Ill see you next sunday