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Even with the cash infusion of 300 million after going public, company is not out of the woods. It is obviously hemorrhaging users as well. Thanks so much for joining us. Its time now for derson tonight are three, 60 just moments ago, the judge in the former president s new york Hush Money Trial expands the gag order on him in the wake of repeated online attacks by trump on his daughter also tonight, all were learning about the attempt to breach the fbi office in atlanta, who Authorities Say was behind it and whether this may have been someones attempt to Political Violence and later my conversation with in folding along with author Column Mckinnon and sting about diane son, jim foley, a journalist, kidnapped and murdered by isis. His remarkable legacy. What it was like to speak facetoface with one of the men who murdered her son good evening. Thanks for joining us. We begin with breaking news. The judge has expanded the gag order that he imposed on the former president last week. The move follows repeated online attacks against the judge and his daughter, including by name, like this one. We blacked it out here because she has no role in the case and its not a public figure seen as Kara Scannell is here with the tails from the judges rulings is the Hush Money Case in new york. Whats happened . Yes. So the prosecutors had asked for a gag order to be expanded in this case because of those comments that you just highlighted in the judge just moments ago, issued his order saying that he would extend the gag order which had prevented trump from making comments about any potential a witnesses, any prosecutors, court staff in the jury. Hes now extending it to include Family Members of the judge and the District Attorney, alvin bragg. Alvin bragg is not covered by the gag order, so trump can talk about him if he wants. In this order, the judge rights the court now a mens the march 26 order to include the Family Members of the court and the District Attorney for any of your county. This decision in order is equally narrowly tailored and in no way prevents defendant from responding to alleged political attacks, but does address defendants recent speech. He also goes on to say that this isnt a case of david and goliath, and that the roles are no longer in play as demonstrated by the singular power of trumps words have on countless others. He said that there is, he finds that there is a threat to the Integrity Of Judicial Proceedings and says, the threat is very real. Now, trump is not allowed to make statements about the judges family, so he could still make statements attacking the judge and the District Attorney, just not Family Members. Thats right. Hes extending it to include them within this becomes as you pointed out, the judges daughter or its not part of this case trumps lawyers had argued against expansion of the gag order, saying that the reason why trump is making these statements is because they want the judge to recuse himself from the case, believing that he is biased against trump, they previously made that motion. The judge rejected it. At the time was made based on the judges smalldollar donations to democrats. Theyve said in their filing today, trumps side that they intend to make another motion for the judge recuse himself and youll also have some reporting about expected witnesses at this trial. Yes. So its the usual suspects youd expect all the wellknown people that have been part of this case, Stormy Daniels is expected to testify. Michael cohen, hope hicks, and david who is the ceo of the company that published National Enquirer this is all part of the prosecutors effort to present this narrative to the jury that trump and others were scrambling around the election after the access Hollywood Tape came out, he was in touch with those on his campaign because they were afraid of how a new allegation like Stormy Daniels would potentially influence female voters. So this was all just days before the 2016 election. And thats part of the prosecutions theory why they made the payment and then why they were covering it up and so as the theory of the case is, this is the falsifying Business Records birds to commit or conceal and other crime. And that crime under the theory is to influence the election. So kara stay with us. I want to bring in legal analyst joey jackson, also bestselling author and former federal prosecutor, geoff toobin. Jeff, you surprised by any of this . You know, the technical legal term for this is whacamole they he trump is trying to skirt around all of these issues on the gag order. The Family Members were not covered under the previous one. Rational, person would think you dont attack the Family Members, but you want this gag or does he think it helps him politically to say, im being gagged . Yeah, i can i think i mean, this whole defense is a political defense as much as its, its a Legal Defense thats why he goes to all the hearings. He doesnt have to go to the hearings. This idea that hes a martyr, that he is being the victim of a witchhunt that is part of his campaign and now being gagged is another way that he is saying, i am a victim here, not a perpetrator and the trump filing basically says, well, if the judge had recused himself than trump wouldnt have to have had to go after his daughter listen im not sure about that reasoning and logic, but what i am sure bad is that you have to have an integrity two are proceeding, but its beyond integrity. Its about safety and security and the reality is, is that words have consequences, particularly when you have a bully pulpit like that, not president now. All right. But was proud president has significant followers and i think theres nothing wrong legally constitutionally, and practically with an order that ensures that integrity for the safety of others. Last point we talk about First Amendment, First Amendment. Well, you know, you cant yell fire in a movie theater, right . Or anywhere else, right . Where it could impair other peoples safety. You cant if the people as trump about that. He owes a lot of money about that because youre impairing other peoples rights. And so i think an order thats balanced to protect constitutional freedoms of speech. But at the same time, protect other people is the right thing. I think judge juan machine has done and theyre also this is about lives on the line people are in danger. That thats why caitlin got that interview, that remarkable interview with judge Reggie Walton last week. Because judges are worried about the integrity of the judicial system when the people involved are gag orders or limit, i mean, everybodys using the term gag order, but i mean, that implies he cant say what hes feeling. This is about witnesses. Its about jurors. Now its about the judges daughter, right and judges have the obligation to do two things. They have to allow the First Amendment rights of people, but they also have to protect the integrity of the trial and you cant have the integrity pretty of a trial. If witnesses think they are going to be killed because of something that is said in the news media thats what the judge is trying to balance here. And i think allowing attacks on the judge allowing attacks on the da, but not their families does strike a reasonable and appropriate balance. So trumps lawyers already talked about appealing where would they appeal this too . They would appeal it to the First Department in new york its probably not something that would get resolved before the trial starts, although this gag order will be in place throughout the trial because there are witnesses, there are jurors that the das office and the judge is looking to try to protect from trump making these public statements, putting attention and shining the spotlight on them as this case plays out, which is going to go for two months. How long do you think this trial will go on for . Yeah. I mean, it would surprise me. Qarrah, if it were that long, you know, best. Right. You there all the time. But look, the bottom line is that the judge has to ensure the prosecution has to put on their case, which would allow for numerous records to go in to determine whether or not they were falsification of those records. They have to establish their proof. And then well see what cross examinations look like. And then of course, the defense has an opportunity to put on witnesses if they choose to under no obligation that that witness list is a lot of witnesses they dont need to call all those witnesses. They are making a decision. It appears that they want to tell the full story of trumps relationship with the National Enquirer. Thats not necessary. What this case is, the technical requirement is just approve that the documents that trump filed with the government were false. Theres a thing prosecutors say sometimes thin to win, like only prove what you need to prove they are not going thin to win if in fact they call all those witnesses. This is now initially this was referred to as the Hush Money Case. Alvin bragg has now tried to sort of position and more as hush money for the result being election fearing that that is going to be the big theme of the prosecution, which is this is not about porn, it is not about extramarital affairs. It is about getting news away from the voters on the eve of the 2016 election. Thats the theory. Will the prosecution of the fence is certainly going to try to turn it into this is just a circus. This is just attacks on Donald Trumps and they have to do that, right, jeff . Not the defense, but certainly you have to establish the Election Interference to get to the felony. Right. And so i think thats what will hear about it into your other point. Theres often this huge witness list, but then to what extent do witnesses become what we call cumulative . Theyre all going to say the same thing. So you pare it down, but you have to give the Defense Notice of the witnesses so that they can adequately prepared even though we see all those witnesses, they may not all wrapped solu right. What happens if trump actually violates this gag order . And weve talked about this endlessly. Well, he it happened in the civil case and he was fined i think it was 10,000 once and then something that you remember thousand total 15,000 total fines initially ultimately, judges can protect a can punish contempt by locking someone up. I dont think thats going to happen, but initially finds is what is, what is the usual remedy for contempt. But if it doesnt happen why do we have a gag order . In other words absolutely. The judge has a number of options and it could be a fine, but you have to speak in the language thats someone understands clearly the economic language is not being understood because of the fines. Will you have the courage, quite frankly, to enforce the order to what we call put them in. And if you put him in, maybe that in terms of a violation of liberty politically, itd be great for him, but practically you have to give it teeth if you dont give it teeth, that is the gag order why impose one in the first instant care is it your understanding that is actually going to go to this trial, this whole time . Yeah. I mean, im one of the very first appearance is the judge told trump that he expects him to be he at every one of the days of the trial and that if he doesnt want to come, he needs to get a waiver to do so. The judge warning him we will move forward without you. So if hes not there, the evidence is still gonna go on. Theres still going to bring their case and trumps so that he understood that, but the judge making it clear he wants some there. So maybe hell be campaigning only on wednesdays because the judge sits monday, tuesday, thursday, friday, and he deals with other matters. So trump will be out on the Campaign Trail just wednesday, but this is the Campaign Trail, right . Hell be making a statement after every single appearance about the system. Its rigged that cetera so people will be covering is, it is, it is history being absolutely and look how much attention can he gets and he crowds out Everything Else you would think being a criminal defendant isnt the best thing, but donald trump has rewritten a lot of political rules of tube and joe jackson. Thank you. Kara scannell, always. Thank you. Coming up next. All we are learning about the attempted breach of the fbis atlanta field office. The drivers now in custody, would investigators are looking at . 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Com slash shave to claim your 7 trial well, were just about to dismiss our legal panel, but then theres breaking news, so weve just learned that the former president has posted that 175 million bond in the new york civil fraud case back here with the team what do we know about this . Yeah. This bond just hit the docket. Its underwritten by night Specialty Insurance Company is a california based ensure its for the total amount, the 175 million have been knocked down from the higher amount initially, right initially, he was supposed to post them on a 464 million he asked for a reduction. Were not to have to post it at all. Appeals court said that he could post one the 75, which is less than half, and he had until thursday to do it. So hes done it today, signed it today. So this is now posted that is satisfied. So it means that the new York Attorney Generals Office is not going to move forward to try to seize any of trumps acids with jerry. Good news for donald trump to do this. If he had not been able to post this bond, that meant that the state of new york could start seizing his property now, this situation is frozen for the duration at least of the appeal to the appellate division. First department, which is a notoriously slow chord so i think this means months of no action in this case against his properties good news. The whole idea of of a fee like this, its not supposed to be punitive. So i mean, that was one of the arguments that was made of well, it should be lowered because its not supposed to be punishing him. In order to be able to appeal. No, its not punishing him, but at the same time, there was a judicial judgment that was made. The judgment was in the amount of almost a half 1 billion. And you have an obligation to satisfy that. There was a trial that went forward. They were proof and evidence that were presented in the judges decision. He parsed every single witness assess the credibility of the witness, talked about how the narrative of that witness further, the cause of the attorney general, what am i saying . Im saying that there was adjudication of liability after a trial and as a result of that, the system provides for you to post a bond in the amount that was against you. So were used dropped it to 1705. You know what . I was not overly surprised and i think its good for the judicial system. And heres why i say that. You have a president repeatedly railing about everyone against him and everythings against me. And i think the system looked at it and said, look, lets be fair, lets be reasonable. Lets give him an opportunity to have his appeal on the merits while we stop this clock of continual interests interests accruing, accruing, accruing. And thats what this does. The appeal bond allows everything to be stayed. He can have that is mr. Trump is appeal on the merits and its a system thats inviting him to give meritorious arguments as to why he should prevail, even though we lost the new York State Attorney general case. And if he does, it will be reversed. And if he doesnt, itll go as is and that hundred 70 5 million will revert back to the half 1 billion maybe. I mean, the state of the state of new yorks argument is, look, we won this case. We should not have to have to chase him for the money later on if its affirmed on appeal as most cases are affirmed on appeal, if this theres affirmed on appeal, the state of new york will take that hundred 75 million. But especially knowing how donald trump operates, good luck, trying to get the other 300 million or whatever its going to be because he is notoriously difficult to pin down the argument that the state of new york made was finding if you want to appeal put up the money because we dont want to have to chase you after we win. The appeal as we expect, we know any details of what was put up for this. Well, he has to supply cash in order to back the bond and his lawyers have said he has the money to do that. This doesnt say specifically the breakdown if it fits its mostly cash or if includes some stock. It wouldnt be the new stock for the company that he just got because thats locked up for six months. But it doesnt break it down specifically. But part of trumps argument about the harm that you were referencing was that if he was forced to sell a property to raise the cash to post a bond, and then he were to prevail or City Appeals Court knocked down the judgment. He wouldnt be able to get that property back. So the Appeals Court gave him this lifeline of saying you dont have to sell a property if you can with 1205 and its lawyers view that as victory. All right. I think its now turn to you guys didnt do enjoy jackson, Kara Scannell. Thanks very much. Moving on and still more questions and answers tonight about the attempted breach of the you guys former new York Police Department Deputy Commissioner what are your sources telling you about what happened well, theyd been looking into this individual since this happened at 12 25, trying to figure out what his motive was to crash in and try and get through that barrier. And what were finding thing is someone whos a former navy man, whos been working for the last six years at an Insurance Company in South Carolina somebody who is social media so far is very noncontroversial, nonpolitical, familyoriented. So its raising as many questions as its answering for fbi agents. Obviously, when Something Like this happens, are they always on alert given recent history . Well, yeah. And i mean, you look at the cincinnati case you just mentioned there was a guy with an ar 15 who tried to breach the security at the cincinnati fbi i office, who ended up being killed by state police and the fbi in a shootout hours later. So they take this very seriously. Its why those barriers are there. Its why the double barriers are there. So if you get past one, you dont get passed another. But those initial moments once a car or rams into that barrier anderson, your heart is thumping as you approach that car, right . Theres a Security Booth not far away and youre wondering, is this an active shooter whos about to pop out with an ar 15. Is it like cincinnati . Is this whole car and massive car bomb . Whats about to happen, but you have to keep going and when they pulled this man out of the car, he did not say one single word. So the gut right now on the part of the people who are looking into it and my own is this is probably an individual whos going through a difficult mental episode probably not trying to attack the fbi. May be trying to get in to tell them something thats so far is only in his mind, but it certainly set off alarm bells and it certainly reminded 55 other Field Offices that security is a top priority especially with talk about weapon of the fbi, which hans and all the other threat threats that are increasing to fbi agents, Federal Process Scooters and judges. What might somebody be charged with if i mean, if it is a Mental Health episode, what happens . Well, on the federal side, destruction of government property, attempted to trespass on federal line on the local side, its going to be reckless endangerment, but those are going to be Holding Charges really anderson, what theyre going to first do is get through the evaluation of this individual with the medical professionals, figure out whats really going on with him, talk to family and friends, and then tried to get him to care. Or miller. Thanks very much. Appreciate it coming up next the deadly are in syria aiding or rons consulate, iran is blaming israel, what israel is saying and not saying about it, and who was being targeted next . This is the big gap kane who that do good job. We move when trucks or what do you do truck month better than anyone else you do trucks that work harder play harder . Can you do trucks that wind by breaking every rule of what a truck should be. 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South door this is the Big Game Time came through that do is the destruction and serious capital after ron says its console was targeted in a deli airstrike, both iran and syria, or blaming israel for the attack. What israel is saying or not saying in a moment, according to iran, seven Revolutionary Guard officials were killed, including two senior their commanders, seen as into catia, bertrand joins us now with more, what more do we know about who and what was targeted will understand the iranians are placing the blame for this strikes squarely on the israelis. Theyre saying that it was six missiles fire from an israeli war plane that brought down this console it in damascus. And theyre saying that they are going to take decisive revenge, essentially, they are calling this unacceptable. And of course, as you said, seven at least officials from the Islamic Revolutionary guard corps were killed, including two very Senior Commanders and the irgc. Israel iran, vowing to take revenge here, but israel neither confirming nor denying that they were behind this strike dead, telling cnn earlier today, according to a spokesperson, that this consulted was not a consulate at all. And according to their intelligence, they do believe that it was actually being used by the irgc and was being portrayed globally as a consulate when in fact it was being used for military purposes. So were not getting really any confirmation from these rallies that this it was them. But the iranians, of course, placing the blame squarely on the israelis and saying that they are going to take some kind of retaliatory measures, which is of course something that us does not want to see. They dont want to see this escalate beyond the war between israel and hamas in gaza. So theyre reaching out to allies and partners in the region now, trying to get a sense of what happened here, but clearly its just not bode well, for the tensions between israel and iran, given that if israel did do this, then that would have been an attack that iran, csis, and attack on its sovereign territory. Anderson. Meanwhile, the us is close to proving a deal to sell fighter jets to israel. What more do we know about that . Were learning that the administration is expected to greenlight and 18 billion sale of fft and fighter jets to israel. And it comes, of course, at a very delicate moment in the relationship with israel where the Weapons Sales that the us is greenlighting to the israelis are really under a microscope as administered as a lawmakers are urging the administration to condition aid to israel because of the number of civilians that have been killed in gaza as they tried to get israel to rein in their operations in gaza, these Weapons Sales have really been under scrutiny, but were learning, but the administration is preparing to approve the sale. It does have to be notified to congress and they will have 30 days to basically rejected if they are able to come up with a joint resolution, but thats a very high bar and it seems unlikely at this point that that is actually going to be blocked and the sale would send weapons and fighter jets to israel within about three to four years. But of course, it is the symbolism and it is the fact that the administration is agreeing to approve the sale that many people are likely to have a big issue with the split especially on the hill, anderson, tasha bertrand, thanks very joining us now with david sanger, white house and National Security correspondent for the new york times. His latest book is out april 19. The titltle is new cold wars, chinas rise, russias invasion, and america struggled to defend the west. So first of all, what is your assessment of this strike . Well, three interesting things about it. First, the iranians say that this was an embassy property. If it truly was its akin to hitting iranian territory and thats something the us has been trying to see is considered sovereign territory, right . Even a number is a Foreign Embassy in the United States is considered usually to be on the property of the foreign country so the iranians could make the case that you struck iranian territory. The second thing is theres been a covert war thats gone on for a long time between the israelis and the iranians. Youve seen Nuclear Scientists who were killed and bombings youve seen attacks on facilities. This, theres nothing covert about this. You saw the scope of that destruction this is where the war turns over. And thats where countries feel like they have to show theyre not going to be embarrassed that they will respond. The third really interesting element of it i think though, is that the iranians have to wonder how did they know that so many commanders from the quds force, the elite group of the iranian military, were gathered in one place. Theres either a human spy or there was some kind of intercept. But it was remarkable elegance that they could kill six of these commanders, seven of these commanders, and one in the same way that there has been remarkable intelligence that allowed whomever to kill Nuclear Scientists in iran. Thats right. And as they were commuting to work and so forth. So it shakes the iranians. It makes them begin to look for spies within mit. So in addition to the actual event, what youre getting is sort of a psychological warfare that were so plugged into you that we can get at it. And thats of course its been the key whenever the us and iran together have gone after an Iranian Nuclear facility, of course, remember it was President Trump who ordered the killing of the Senior Commander of the quds force, general soleimani, back in 2020, iran had said that they were going to respond after the killing of soleimani. What sort of response did they end up . They did some response, but nothing anywhere near what we had expected that they would. Heres their problem. If youre the iranians, youre thinking, am i falling into Prime Minister netanyahus trap here, that netanyahu has Many Political reasons to want to see this war expand a bit to the north, make him deal with the totality of israels adversaries at one time, youll remember that early in the war, the United States had to talk the israelis down from opening a second front in the north. So you have plenty to do in gaza as dont spread your resources. Netanyahu has always been itching to go deal with his belie in the north and theres plenty of domestic concerns. I mean, he has about his political survival and israel. I mean, he claims that most israelis are behind his actions in gaza but we feel look at Public Opinion polling. They dont necessarily, i mean, they may be back in the war. Theyre not necessarily backing him thats right. And you saw the size of those protests in israel over the weekend out on the streets. What that tells you is that enough time has gone passed since the october 7 attack . That were getting back to the politics as usual in israel, of those who are pro and anti netanyahu, that was all suppressed to some degree because israel was pretty unified by the need to go after hamas the other element of this that is big, of course, is what are our Arms Shipments have been in the State Department is under a lot of heat for that today. David sanger. Thank you so much. Thank you. Just had has been nearly ten years since american journalist james foley was beheaded by isis terrorist. Now, decade later, his mother has released an extraordinary new book exploring his bif and untimely murder. Her experience as well, confronting a man involved in her sons death. My exclusive interview with Diane Foley Along With Author Column and and the singer sting, next carbon, see an sunday, april 21 at nine im starting to think those bad idea might a paragraph on etsy new gif mode and get on etsy. 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And that is our deepest desire that this Foundation Make that happen in the best sense that our government can have better response to american hostages and their families that we can continue to promote Freedom Of Speech and educator asian in the world that the best of america can be well now a decade later, dianne fully is released and extraordinary new book. Its called American Mother, along with author Column Mccann its deeply moving book about jim foley and about grief and june fully story. So moved the Singer Staying that he wrote a song about him. Earlier i spoke with dianne foley and Column Mccann and stay first of all thank you so much for doing this. This book is truly incredible. It is probably one of the best books i have read in many, many years, if not in my life. And the writing is just so stunning and the story is so incredible can you just talk first of all, dana about your decision to tell this story, to tell jim store. Well, ive always wanted to tell jim story. I just was not able to myself. I really needed a brilliant author who could hear it and give it the form so that others might enter it and i really feel its a story of of loss and grief that we all go through. But also of the threat of the targeting of americans internationally that we went through and plagues our National Security today. So to me, there are many reasons i really wanted to get out there. So thanks to call them and sting ntu. You were given the opportunity to actually speak to one of the isis members who was involved in the murder of your son and you chose to sit down with them . Sure. Yeah. Youre right in the book, you said it was what jim would have done to rescue something from the baron to know who, to know why there was no doubt jim would have been first in line to talk with him he wouldve your friends thought you shouldnt oh, many thought i was crazy to do that. Many of the return hostages, but thanks to call them, who was willing to accompany me. And the prosecutors who allowed it you know it was so it was a bit of healing just to sit with alexander. Thats the mans name, alexander . Yes can you talk about sitting in that room . What i mean at one point, youre talking about almost almost smelling his breath across from you. You shook his hand at the end it was awkward at first. You know, but there was an openness and alexander, he here to of the british Jihadists Who had killed it, napped and tortured gyms. Stephen peter cassock and many others alexander chose to plead guilty to all those charges. And offered to meet with victims. So there was an odd openness and him what was it like for you to be in that room to witness that . Credible we walked into this Big Echoey Room in the center of a courthouse in virginia. There were prosecutors, theyre defense people, fbi agents, court clerks, dianne walked across the room, sat down at this table in front of her. Is alexander coty, whos killed her son hes wearing shackles on his ankles and hes in a prison jumpsuit. And she says, hi alexander it is a pleasure to meet you and out of that moment everything dissolved and everything became about diane and him and to meet was mythic. I mean, to have somebody go in and meet the killer of her son, add to talk about faith then to talk about courage, and to talk about forgiveness and also to talk about violence and all those things that operated between them. It was one of the most extraordinary moments of my life and i saw such moral courage, which is what diane learned from her son, jim, because he talked about moral i want to read just a passage that i think this is pitch 30 in page 39, i think these are like the sum of the two best pages ive ive ever read in a book. And youre talking about how you said it will she knows be almost impossible to tell others, her family, her friends about this moment. Hard to believe that the man who tortured her son the sobbing no more than four feet in front of her. Hard to explain that it is most likely not an act. Hard to illustrate how shes containing her emotions, hard to judge if he is exploiting the moment, even harder to explain that is not just the story of a oneyearold child taken from the rubble or father crying in a documentary or anonymous drone strike, or a tortured songs in our journey across a mountain or screed of hatred or tower coming down, or city filled suddenly with poison gas or scorched earth, or peddling of fear, or three Young Children front of a camera in a refugee camp, or man who ventured out from New Hampshire, or soldier who guided or remote drone or politician sitting in a suddenly small off because or a woman in east london edging her fingers along the photograph or sixyearold wondering about his uncle or chain hanging in air of a basement and abu ghraib or blow of a steel pipe against the bottom of a pair of feet and rafah or the thought of a fist and the kidneys are murdered messenger or the in candid prayers, the way it is all knitted together from wisconsin to london, to asking us to New Hampshire, to tripoli, to virginia. All these wild and braided things somehow held together and not by language. There is no word for it that she knows thats incredible well, was it was an incredible story to inhabit when i first stepped into it when we stepped into that room, i knew there was a story here for the ages that within that moment, we will be able to the capture all those are the moments because like dance it, its sad, its sad for alexander. Its sad for all the people in damascus. Its sad that jim is not here. Theres so such a an amazing coffee one of sadness around this. And yet shes decides that shes going to take something from this not only to keep her son alive, but to change the whole landscape of how we think about hostages and wrongfully detained people over the next few years, that takes courage, the courage of a mother, but also the courage of a courageous citizen as well. So for me, the story was just expensive stinging. How did you get involved with this . Well, i was asked by the composer of the documentary about about jims life. If i would write a song for the end and i watched the documentary was totally devastated by it. And i said, i simply cannot write a song. Its, theres nothing that appropriate. I mean, how could i possibly do that then i went home and i tried to put myself in gyms place. So in the membrane of his familys place, what what would be a ritual that the family could go through . They would bring them together somehow and i had this idea of a Table Being Set for an evening meal. And jim being late, but an empty chair being there, addressing the empty chair and somehow jim enters that Family Situation completely in my imagination. But it seemed to do the trick and the fact that im here with diane and column it did something but im very proud to its a hard song to sing especially with diane, but im glad to be part of the story. I mean, your person is strong fate. How are you able to survive the unimaginable what you have gone through is unimaginable for most. Wow, its, its the goodness of god through good people. Like all of you, through people really supported us and care cared about us. And held us up through it all and just gods goodness. Its like almost been like a superpower, like i had to pray very hard before we went into see alexander. I really wanted to be able to pray see him as a human being, see him same age as one of my sons, just to see him as a young man whos made terrible choices and, you know, thats whats helped me is just to know that im not alone in this thank god is with me and other good people. It good things possible. Anderson, i really firmly believe that column. What do you hope comes out of this . I think id love to see people recognize that the possible actually exists within the supposedly impossible. I mean, dianas is a woman who lives in New Hampshire and in an ordinary house and was a nurse practitioner. And its awful thing happened and she could have retreated and she decided, no, im going to take the world on undergoing a change things for other people. Thats sort of faith is is extraordinary and the fact that we can actually change changed the world and not refuse to not become cynical and refused to hope. I think theres a daring this there that i want people to see a risk to embarrassment or risk to do all sorts of things and to tell your story is an an important part of all of this. I think world is held together with stories and storytellers. And one of the beautiful things is that jim, jim story, even though hes gone, is alive and his voice is alive through dianne sting, you said about this book. This is a book that will shake your soul out what was it about about jims story, About Diane Story that i think jims stories, all of our stories, obviously, were not in that exact situation, but anything that happens to any of us happens to all of us. We are a community, a world committed, not just the american than english, irish would i look upon it . Refugees, for example, as us, they are not a separate species. They are also in a different situation. And every person can make a difference just to try to to make a difference for others well, thank you so much. This book is really, truly extraordinary. Thank you. Thank you again, diane, falling and column macarons new book. Its called American Mother and a found it incredibly moving and wellworth reading right now. You can watch actually sting perform the song he wrote honore jim foley, its called the empty chair recorded it in, replayed it in our studio. You can watch it on cnn. Com and on the cnn app, right now. Later tonight, youll also find it on instagram and twitter as well. Still ahead. After stepping back from public duties following his cancer diagnosis, king charles was seen in good spirits, welcoming crowds and attending easily for sunday Church Service. 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Com slash shave to claim your 7 trial in a rare public appearance, king charles attended Easter Sunday service in windsor just weeks after he was diagnosed with cancer. This was the monarchs most significant outing since his diagnosis and it comes just a week after his nephew, the sono Princess Anne said the king was frustrated that his recovery was quote, taking a little longer. Were now from cnns Max Foster Members of the public, hoping for a quick glimpse of king Charles Waiting Outside Windsor Castle but some were invited in by staff to get a closer look. It was a surprise because we were told that doctors had advised charles not to interact with large groups in case it compromised his immunity that advice appears to have changed after a Church Service and the chapel in Windsor Castle, an even bigger surprise when he came out and shook hands, confidence enough not to wear gloves, though Queen Camilla was spotted with a bottle of Hand Sanitizer a royal source told cnn the kings appearance could be seen as an encouraging sign of how his treatment for cancer was progressing never give were ld the rd ahead oks positive that encouging to see that happen in saying suggests the patient is tolerating their treatments. Well, theyre you know, theyre actively under treatment or wtever ase that theyre and theyre recovering, there tolerating and getting through those treatments. The kg was clearly in good spirits d im told hes been keen to get out anabt hasnt been abltomit to his diary of engagements can mall with The Public Eye being on tm. Its even more difficult, isnt it for them to cope with the measure of The Public Eye and the media or figure will find weve handled it really well and i think they need that privacy and the need that time to get together as a family and 40 each other most of the rest of the family joined the king to the traditional easter service, including Prince Andrew, who is bracing for this the allegations surrounding Jeffrey Epstein include his friend Prince Andrew heavily promoted netflix movie out this week dramatize the disastrous bbc 2019 interview the cost him his royal position probably the last thing the monarchy needs right now as it tries to rebuild your royal highness, notable by their absence, where the prince and princess of wales shes receiving her own cancer treatment. It has been an incredibly tough couple of months. Crimson palace isnt suggesting any dates for her return to public duties. Character less pressure now perhaps that the king appears to be cautiously returning to his own public appearances and max, i mean, it was nice to see king seemingly well enough to go out without a mask and gloves on. What more are your sources telling you about the decision that the palaces is making right now about his health well, i think it was a big reassurance exercise for the public, but also for the family. Theyre ultimately there to support the king. And now that hes going to be able to do a bit more, theyre going to take each engagement one by one depending on the medical advice. Then if hes able to do more than less pressure on them, particularly the princess of wales, whos going through chemo, has to consider that. And also has got the kids off school. At the moment. I think the next big challenge probably is friday. This big netflix movie its many people people will remember the interview is going to remind everyone of that. Its going to open up a new audience and its not just the associations with epstein youre going to see a lot of very realistic Behind The Scenes footage as well, showing how frankly out of touch Prince Andrew was unempathetic towards that genes victims, and these are the values that william and charles has been trying to move away from. So i think thats going to blow up again. Its gonna be a problem. You probably going to see a lot of it on social media. And were not going to hear much from this lot about it. I dont think but its not working royal. Yeah. Max foster. Thanks very much. Thats it for us. The news continues to source, but Kitten Collins starts now seeing them on state from the source tonight,