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For being with us. Its time for anderson tonight on 360 braking news, new reaction from the former president after he said its practically impossible to secure the bond, nearly half 1 billion. He needs to deliver for seven days from now. Also tonight, the bloodbath he promised if hes not back in the white house and why the battle over what he was actually talking about at a rally over the weekend may have overshadowed but all the rest of what he said were keeping them honest and more Exclusive Reporting from haiti and how ordinary people there are taking Desperate Measures to try and stay safe from the growing violence. Good evening. We begin tonight with the former president , a selfproclaimed multibillionaire telling a new york courts ford, he cant secure the nearly half 1 billion bond in his civil fraud case in a court filing today, just a week from the deadline, his attorney wrote the amount of the judgment with interests exceeds 464 million, and very few Bonding Companies will consider a bond of anything approaching that magnitude 10 million of that 464 million is from the part of the judgment against eric and don junior. And just moments ago, their dad on his social network, the man who often boast about how liquid he is, rights, the Bonding Companies have never heard of such a bond of this size before, nor do they have the ability to pose such a bond even if they wanted to . Joining us. Now, trump biographer and Investigative Reporter david kate johnson, cnn senior legal analyst, elie honig, and cnns kara scannell. So more to the former president s attorneys say. So we learned in this that they had approached 30 different underwriters, people that would secure the bond and none of them were willing to do this, including some of the Biggest Insurance Companies in the world. No, trumps lawyer her say that some of the reason why they wouldnt do this is because they have their own internal limits not to secure a bond in excess of 100 million. Trump needs five times that amount. So that was one of the big issues, but they said with a major obstacle that they faced was that none of these insurers would accept real estate as collateral against the money that they wouldnt underwrite. So they said they wanted only cash or stocks, something that could quickly turn into cash. And trump doesnt have that on hand. They acknowledged that in this filing, and so they came to the judge saying they are unable to get this bond as part of their effort to try to either have the judge knocked down the size of the bond will tell them they dont have to post it and just kind of take them on faith that they can. The new York Attorney general for loves can take his assets once this Appeal Process is over. So really whats The Next Step . Well, either he posts the boundary, doesnt and its important to understand. He gets to appeal no matter what theres been, frankly, a little bit of misreporting that he cannot appeal until he post the bond. He can appeal. Thats a constitutional right that he has. But the difference is if he manages to somehow come up with the money or get a bunch on, then Letitia James, whos the plaintiff in this case, cannot try to seize his assets. In the meantime, while the appeals pending. But if he fails to post that bond, come monday, yes, he gets to appeal. But Letitia James is going to start seizing his assets now its not an immediate process is not going to turn trump tower into james tower immediately, but she can start the process to actually take control of and then liquidate, sell off some of those assets. But then who decides if they would lower the bond. So this is what trump is now asking the new York Appeals Court to do. He seven, that would be done before next monday. Hes saying i need you to do before next monday. And its worth noting, anderson, there are examples and trump cites some of these in his brief, where courts of appeals have substantially lowered bonds. Theres one example in the court had a 38 billion judgment lowered the bond to 1 billion theres another example where there was a 30 million bond that was lowered down to six figures. So courts of appeals will take big numbers down on the bond, but its up to the Court Of Appeals david i mean, what does all this indicate to you about the foreign presence, financial situation well, not all, certainly not worth the 10 billion that he claimed. And a bond is not the only solution for him here, anderson, he could borrow against some of his real estate. Heres the problem he faces if you have a mortgage on your home and you need some money, so you want to get a Home Equity Loan or second mortgage, you cant get it without the approval and permission of the First Mortgage holder and i suspect that trump has run into problems with First Mortgage holders saying, no, were not going to let you but any additional leans on these properties of years. Carroll, what would be The Next Step for the Attorney General . So i mean, they have put the posture this whole time that theyre going to be aggressive in this case, theyre going to move forward. So theres no sense that they would reach some kind of deal on their own. They have opposed any kind of Reduction Option in the bond and any delay in their posting of it. So i think we will see them begin to take the first steps to try to seize whether its specific properties, bank accounts, all of his assets, they do have a very good sense of this company having spent years investigating them. So i think well see them move pretty quickly out of the gate. Is it likely that an Appeals Court would knock down the i mean, you said there are other examples of them knocking down a bond, but if they were to do that, is it likely that would be done in the next seven days . Do they move that fast . It would have to be done in the next seven days because if not, then mondays monday is a strict deadline and the arguments that trump makes is he says he has likelihood of prevailing on the ultimate appeal. This is actually separate from the appeal of the case itself. He argues the award was excessive. They were defects in the actual ruling. And he says, i need this bond put on hold because if not, i will suffer irreparable financial damage. I will lose money that i can never make back, but yes, the Court Of Appeals is going to have to rule on this by monday. Yeah. I mean, david what l is referencing is the lawyers for trump are saying he shouldnt be forced to sell property to raise money because it would result in massive irrevocable losses. Textbook route irreparable injury in quote, given the judgment and the 91. 6 million bond that he posted for e. Jean carroll case, spending pending appeal hes also got the tens of millions dollars in legal bs fees, enlarged part to his pack. Where do you see the future of his personal fortune and business heading . Well clearly as elie points out, the court has a lot of discretion about what to do here. They could lower this, but he could also, by the way, just sit on it. Theres no requirement for this intermediate Court Of Appeals in new york to act on this. And trump doesnt have a right to appeal to the higher court that as he can ask, but the this court in new york can simply say we dont want to hear this but all this shows the trump is under tremendous financial pressure. And in every area of his life, i mean, one simple example, he had a party at maralago and you had to pay for your drinks . Thats just not usually the way you do things. Its with a fundraiser david cay johnston, elie honig, kara scannell. Thank you. The former president continued to complain about the upper after he warned at a rally over the weekend that there would be a bloodbath if hes not but elected. Quoting now from his social media posts today, the Fake News Media or excuse me, the fake news made a big deal out of the word bloodbath, knowing that it was about are shrinking auto manufacturing business. And the fact that they use the same name all the time. Now, before we go any further, heres what he actually said in context. Saturday in ohio were going to put a 100 tariff on every single car that comes across the line and youre not going to be able to sell those guys. If i get elected now, if i dont get elected, its going to be a bloodbath for the whole thats gonna be the least of it. Its going to be a bloodbath for the conscience so as you hear, he certainly did start off by talking about carmakers and apparently a bloodbath if hes not elected for the whole car industry, but he stopped himself and then elaborated saying, quote that would be the least of it, meaning the car industry then said its going to be a bloodbath for the country keeping them honest. The former president now backtracking and claiming he was just talking about cars. But in the same speech, he said that if he does not win in november, it might be the last election this country has and this is what trump does. We know this. He uses apocalyptic language and incendiary rhetoric, thin claims. Hes being misinterpreted. Its not anything new for the former president saskya, a fellow republican, said this about trumps speech the general tone of the speech is why is why Many Americans continue to wonder, should President Trump be president . That kind of rhetoric. Its always on the edge, maybe doesnt cross, maybe does depending upon your perspective thats Louisiana Republican Senate Bill Cassidy conceding a point about trumps events that many if not most, and his party gloss over now, trump said plenty of other stuff as well. Heres how the rally began. Please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated january 6, hostages those hostages, hes referring to, of course, are the jail january 6 rioters, four of whom the Washington Post identified as having been charged with assaulting police officers. Thats the former president s saluted over the weekend. People who stormed the capitol after another inflammatory speech of his, whom he prays with his very first words on saturday well, thank you very much. And you see this spirit from the hostages and thats what they are as hostages. Theyd been treated terribly and very unfairly. And, you know that and Everybody Knows that. And were gonna be working on that suit as the first day we get into office was going to save a country and were going to work with the people to treat those unbelievable patriots. And they were unbelievable patriots and our hostages and patriots. This is what he said about migrants young people that are in jail for years. If you call them people, i dont know if you call them people in some cases than not people in my opinion, but im not allowed to say that because the radical left says thats a terrible thing to say and before he was done, trump added in another thinly veiled threat we better straighten out our elections. We better get smart because the people of the country are not going to take it. Were not going to take it were not going to take it any longer. Perspective now from conservative attorney George Conway and former Capitol Police officer harry dunn, who we should mention is running in marylands third Congressional District as a democrat. George i mean, we i feel like we had this conversation and theyre not on this particular word before, but hearing him talk about a bloodbath for the country came to mind its classic donald trump. You, the context here isnt that he was talking about the auto industry. He was talking about the auto industry, but he uses this apocalyptic language, this violent language consistently almost on any topic and the reason fundamentally is true context and the true context is his state of mind. His mental is mental abilities, and his his personality disorders. He is a narcissistic, psychopathic. I mean, if you look at the definitions in the dsm5 the Diagnostic And Statistical Manual for mental disorders. He is clearly associate path and a psychopath. And that that connotes an individual has no conscience, no limit sees nope is a pathological liar as we see about his discussion of the january 6 and the socalled stolen election mean he cannot help himself. He does this stuff because he doesnt care about the consequences of because he catastrophize is everything in order to cause his, his cultic supporters to support him and to do his bidding and its just i think where weve been dancing around the main problem here. Its not his rhetoric. I mean, his rhetoric does cause problems, but the cause of his rhetoric is his fundamental mental instability. Officer done. I mean, you were firsthand witness to the attack on the capitol. You know what happened that day . When you hear the former prison United States calling these attackers hostages, what what do you think and its good to be witchy dot, good to see you. My friend. Im not surprised its more of the same thing that weve heard from him before. The rhetoric that he continued leading up to january 6 fight like hell, you wont have a country left. He said those things in the individuals that attacked the capital, my fellow officers and myself, that would those individuals parotid those same phrases while they were attacking us, while theyre marching through the halls of the capital. So they dont fall. Those those words, they dont fall upon deaf, deaf ears donald trump knows what hes doing when he says that, and he knows that his words have power and he knows that individuals will will follow what he says now with clear, he may have been talking about the auto industry, but who uses the term bloodbath . Talk about the auto industry, bloodbath as a violent term and ive only heard it used in one way. So even knew what he was doing and hes hoping that somehow secretly his followers are listening to what hes saying. Hes saying the quiet part out loud. Hes hoping that theyre reading between the lines to say if you know what . I mean, george, the form prayers also said if he loses the election, quote, i dont think youre going to have another election are certainly not an election thats meaningful. It seems like most people just shrug this stuff off at this point as o, thats just trumping trump you cant shrug it off. I mean, that is classic. I mean, what psychologists would call that, thats classic projection. He is stating what he intends and hes hes not well, he is not he is just not well. And thats the reason why he says all these things. No normal person would say these things in the problem we have is that people want to fit donald trump into a normal mode. It gives, it brings to mind, i think one of the failures of the media is that theyve tried to explain him in the way that you would explain a normal, healthy, or somewhat eccentrics human being. But he is completely off his rocker. It reminds me, for example, of when former head of this network, chris licked, met with donald trump before that cnn town hall and said, go out there and have fun. Thats not something you say to a sociopath. Thats not something you say to a psychopath. The problem we have with donald trump, and i think its going to be, i think the floodgates on this are going to open is that people have tried to know formalize him for too long. He is definitively manifestly unwell. He he is a sick person as the president. President biden says, hes a sick puppy and also officer, i mean, given the i mean, this is gonna be a Long Campaign and if this is the rhetoric at this stage of the campaign, i mean, do you talk to your colleagues, officer done about this type of language is our worry among from you or others that Something Like gender six would happen again but to go back to the point about Donald Trumps saying that if he doesnt win, theres going to know whether elections or anything like that. Id argue the opposite. I believe that if he does win, there would be no other elections. I mean, he said it himself that he wants to be a dictator. At what point do we stop . Talking about his rhetoric and on the surface level and actually take it for what it is hes proven to be a man of his word when it comes to threats like dead. So i think we have to the courts arent doing it. Congress isnt doing it, although that would argue thats why im running for congress to do something more than whats being done right now. But its up to the voters that are up to its up to us. We are the people thats going to hold donald trump accountable and responsible and to talk about january 6 happened again. The point of accountability is to deter things like this from happening again, open to this point. Yeah, theres people still that have been held accountable for their crimes. The foot soldiers, if you will but overall, were still litigating if the president can be held accountable for this three years later. Something is the Justice System is broken. People are being held accountable or everybody except for him. And we need to do it as americans its up to us to save it because its clear that the Supreme Court isnt going to do it. Were seeing in that the all these hiccups that jack smiths investigations are are common across. But its up to the American People and we need to do it at the ballot box, just like we did before we rejected them before, and weve got wed have to do it again harry dunn. Appreciate your time. George conway as well. Thank you. Coming up next Exclusive Reporting from the growing chaos in haiti. David culver, join live from portauprince of capital. He describes as postapocalyptic also, cnns jake tapper on the release of a wrongly convicted man after more than a dozen years in prison. And how this remarkable story was made possible in part by jake tapper is dad will explain that ahead. This source, but Kaitlan Collins, tonight at nine from Meat Free Monday to Sizzle Pans Sunday so many, ways to save ready while it happy. But 365 by Whole Foods Market look, we know its gonna be a big change, but its the right thing to do. For all of us. Its just your mother and i went different things, which is why we got sling t. V. We can watch live and free t. V. Allinone app. Thats right. 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The Supreme Court today indefinitely blocking texas from enforcing the law, preventing State Officials from arresting people they suspect of entering the country illegally, something the Department Of Justice argues is a job for the federal government only. Cnn, its at 11 derek joints is now with details, so what does todays decision actually mean Going Forward well, it means that the uncertainty around the fate of what is known as senate bill four, sb four continues to hang in the courts and essentially what the us Supreme Court ruling today says is that its an indefinite and possibly temporary block. Okay. Of this bill. And its a highly controversial bill that has been tied up in courts since it was signed by Texas Governor greg abbott back in december, essentially gives local Law Enforcement smith here in texas the ability to arrest people they suspect of entering texas illegally. And it also gives judges the ability to deport migrants back to mexico this has been criticized by immigrant rights and if it gets in the Biden Administration that have brought these lawsuits, now, if the us Supreme Court doesnt issue any rulings on this in the coming weeks, there is its court date scheduled for early next month. Were oral arguments are expected to be heard in the fifth circuit fifth Circuit Court of appeals in new orleans. So its exactly its very difficult to tell at this point exactly how this is going to play out in the court system. But for now, anderson, the bottom line is that this controversial bill here in texas we will not take effect for the time being 11, derek, thanks very much. Now, do we go to hany and what weeks of growing disorder and violence during the daily existence of people who live there. But ive seen their lives narrowed by down to the very down to the very basics, including simple survival. Cnns david culver recently managed to get back into haiti. Heres his exclusive report. Would it prints feels post apocalyptic this is basically the aftermath of the war, driving through the battlegrounds between gangs and police, we dodge a massive craters and piles of Burning Trash the police controlled these roads leading to haitis International Airport for today, at least, its been shut for weeks outfront checkpoints to search for suspected gang members and an Armored Truck to keep watch. It sits beaten battered, less than a month ago, we flew in and out on commercial flights here. Now, its desolate the country is encased yes. Essentially held hostage by gangs eager to expand their Reign Of Terror over the weekend, more businesses looted in car stolen, gangs, leaving behind a scorched path of rune were headed to one of the last remaining hospitals, centers. Thats still functioning in portauprince. February 29 was probably the worst. And as soon as we meet one of the doctors, call comes down. All right. Go ahead. If you need to get it a Gunshot Victim Heading into surgery, he takes us to him most of those cases that are brought here are gunshot victims from the Gang Violence with the patients family giving us permission. Wed go in as staff prepared to operate were told the 24 yearold truck driver was caught in the crossfire between police and gangs. The dr. Is showing me here images that are very disturbing, but they show an entry wound of a bowl, it basically around the temple and went right through and cause damage to at least one i the dr. Tells us the mans lost vision in both eyes. Another bullet hit his arms and so they will have to amputate his arm yes. We peer into the icu. Its full or most of these gunshot victims all of the marks that shes in pain, she feels the pain in her leg. And so how did it happen . Where were you . She was going to the market at six years old, a reminder . No one is shielded from the violence thats gripped haitis capital in recent weeks police are exhausted one local commander telling me morale is broken and that the gangs have more money and resources than they do. Low on ammo, their squad cars out of gas. It is personal for the commander. He was forced out with his family from their own home. And now this is his home, essentially police, at least in this community, do have backup in the form of local residents. Do you feel like gangs are trying to move in and take this area . For sure. While Many Community leaders call for peace, they admit theyre tired of feeling threatened so much. So some have created their own checkpoints and barricades staff 24 7, redirecting traffic and determining who comes in not everyone gets out. You can see right here at this intersection, theres a massive burn. Ill this is actually where the Community Takes justice into their own hands. About a week ago is the most recent such case. They captured four suspected gang members. They brought them here killed with ms is that their bodies on fire. The gruesome vigilante acts recorded in part as a warning to the gangs. But even amid utter turmoil, life moves forward. And with moments to celebrate outside the church. These bridesmaids excitedly awaiting their cute walk down the aisle portauprince is a city now shattered by the relentless blast of violence that are forced more than 300,000 so one of its residents out of their homes. Where are you staying here . Wheres your home in this facility right up there. They take refuge in places like this the School Classrooms turned dorm rooms are more than 1,500 people crammed in associates showing us this is her style. Thats first able to bring this is where she is set up right now in the classroom next door, we meet this woman, her husband killed by gang members. She and her fiveyearold, like many here, have been forced to move every few weeks that were sleeping hungry were in misery. She tells me wed probably be better off dead then livingness, life and david, i mean, is there, are there groups running these makeshift camps . Howre people who need treatment and how did they get into the hospitals . How are they getting food . Thats part of the biggest challenge here as far as those camps, i mean, much like this country, theres no one really running that people are having to figure out how to run it themselves. And there was an added layer of complexity with that anderson because wed have folks come up to us and physically grab us and explain to us how they were terrified and i assumed it was because of the gangs and they said not just the gangs. Weve now been forced into a community that doesnt want us and they are also attacking us and its because the folks who are their neighbors now look at them as drawing unwanted attention in bringing more gangs into that community. So they fear theyre essentially a magnet for me more trouble. As far as getting to the hospitals. That is a huge issue right now and theres basically no ambulance system. So you have people who will often be brought on motor bikes are just carried in some cases if theyre lucky to get through the gang territories, to get some medical treatment that was inside of one Emergency Room and standing with the dr. And i said, well, this one is actually quite quiet. And he said yeah, but that doesnt mean that things arent happening. He said, listen, and there was gunfire going up at the same time. He said, my concern is, i know that its going to be 12 bove 24 hours before the people who are wounded by those bullets you hear before they actually come in here to seek treatment. And by that point, its often too late. The man who was shot in the head, if he made it he did make it. Yeah, but this is the other thing. I mean, here he is blind and an amputee. And as the dr. Told me, his future is bleak here in haiti had been given given his physical disability. Now, hes going to face challenges that are going to be at times insurmountable david culver thank you. Be careful coming up next. The director of the truth versus alex jones joins me. Its an indepth documentary, fascinating. Look at how this Conspiracy Theorists was held accountable. Finally, for the dangerous lies he spread about the 26 children and adults murdered at Sandy Hook Elementary School did you know theres no t in skechers . 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New episodes sunday at nine on cnn last week, we told you about private conversations involving nfl star quarterback aaron rodgers, where he said that 2012 Sandy Hook Shooting was not real our pam brown said that in 2013, he had told her it was a government inside job and other sorts shared a similar story about rogers. Rogers whos on the vp shortlist for robert f. Kennedy jr. Later said in a statement, hes never been of the opinion that the events did not take place he didnt cite actually which events he was referring to in that statement, the outrageous lie that sandy hook was some sort of false flag operation was of course, propped up more frequently shared by conspiracy theorist alex jones. Jones now owes more than 1 for spreading those laws, which are recounted in a fascinating new documentary, the truth versus alex jones, tells the story of the fight for justice for the parents of the sandy hook victims. Now quickly and savagely, these lies spread because at a conference for mothers who, whose kids died by gun violence and i was in an alligator with this woman. She saw my necklace and she said, whos this . And i said, oh, this is my son ben he was killed when he was six, and she said, what do you mean . I said, well, we live in sandy hook kids. He died in his school and she said relying. That didnt happen. They said it, they said it didnt happen. And i was like what she said, no. No. They said it didnt happen. I was like no, what it really happened. And she wasnt crazy everything it had been years since since our kids were killed. And im walking down the street and seattle and somebody recognizes me and then he looked up things. How do you sleep at night, you son of a and i just think the amount of content that that person had to watch and digest in hold onto to where he could recognize me in some random city, 3,000 miles away from new town on some random de, like how much how much did he have to take in . The truth versus alex jones, premiers on march 26. Its by hbos on max, which is part of our Parent Company. Im joined by its director dan reed dan, this film youve done so many incredible films what was it about . Alex jones as Sandy Hook Shootings and there may decide to focus on it. I just became very interested in how lies spread and trolling. And i realized that this was a story that involve children in new england White Picket Fence territory i just could not get my head round. Who would tell lies about the murder of sixyearolds in new england. And it just seemed completely allies and natalie tell lies, but profit extensively off those lines. Yeah. So theres this incredible Business Model which jones brilliantly developed i think was extremely successful out which is selling supplements, bringing people into what they call the town square and infowars using outrage, using conspiracies and scandal, people come in and then they by his wares which are supplements and Colloidal Silver instead of man pills and stuff like that. Its actually selling Colloidal Silver. I believe here. So in the documentary, alex jones claimed for years when youre talking about in the documentary, but algaes for years was claiming that an interview i did with the family of no posner who was killed was fake. That was done in front of a green screen. I just want to show this part of the im grieving. Thats all we all are i wish he strengthened. Thank kept the peace in the days ahead and i thank you. Sorry. Thank you. Im going to need it. Now. A lot of the tens of millions of video views on youtube concerning the sandi hoax surround cnn i saw this footage where Anderson Cooper turns a supposedly theyre at sandy hook in front of the memorial and his whole four added knows blurs out. Ive been working with loose granted for 17 years. I know what it looks like. Its clearly blue screen somehow that was proof that we were not actually at that locale and that image of the town hall was being artificially protected but the fact that this whole thing can be staged, its just mindblowing ive never understood this. I mean, ive traveled all the world to tell stories, that idea that i wouldnt drive two hours, whatever it was to newtown to report on this tragedy it seems ridiculous and there would be a green screen. All of that, of course, is just complete fantasy. Its all made up. And yet he ran with that for years. You ran with it for years and years and years and repeated over and over again. And thats why in the end, the sandy hook, the moms and dads are these kids who were murdered decided enough was enough and they took him to court and they took him to court in connecticut, but also in texas. And it was extraordinary to see you document that it was schrodinger see what happened to alex jones when he actually faced the Justice System . Yeah. For me, that was really where the rubber hits the road with this documentary is youre in court. We had extraordinary access in texas, two cameras and about ten microphones and theyre alex jones is and he is confronted with his lies and theres nothing you can do to back them up and an amazing, very tough judge, amazing lawyers on the parent side. And his lies are just exposed. And this is the this is fake news versus the court system. And just it has prevailed. And yet, hes still out there still doing its thing the verdict that the parents the sandy hook families gotten connecticut was oneandahalf billion dollars by the time punitive damages have been added in. Thats an extraordinarily large amount, and yet hes still broadcasting and i dont know how much of that money to put the families will ever see. Yeah. I think that theres a hearing coming up in i think its in march about how Alex Jones Assets will be distributed later this month . Yeah. I mean, the lawyers rule still wrangling about how to whether to liquidate all of his assets or to do some kind of deal with him where he pays he pays down some of the debt for years and years, but infowars is still going. I mean, hes managed to get away for years and years and years. What do you hope people take away from this film . I think this is sort of Pivotal Point in the telling of lies that spread like wildfire of the internet. And this is the the only way the parents had to confront these lies and this monetization of their grief was to go to court. And i think what this tells us is the courts to Justice System is probably one of the last places we can get to the truth. Is that enough . Should we be doing Something Else . I have no idea what im just a filmmaker, but we need to confront the spreading of lives like wildfire, because otherwise, we have no way of we have no shared truth as a society. And thats very dangerous. Its extraordinary how he has profited off these horrific dan reed. Thank you so much. Thanks. Thanks very much. The truth versus alex jones is the Film Premieres march 26 on hbo. 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And despite many indications over those years that the evidence didnt hold up, this was the scene where my colleague, jake tapper is champions cj rice, a story for years. First, Matt Rice Outside of prison jake was made aware of this injustice by his father, who was once rices pediatrician. Philadelphia authorities had charge rice with Attempted Murder. Jakes dad said that he knew from medical records that were never introduced the trial that rice could not be the man responsible rights had a shattered pelvis at the time but the suspect was seen running away, which rice would not have been able to do, tapper spoke to rise about this moment its good to see you because the cej, youve spent almost 13 years in prison. Has it feel to be out it feels amazing. He said the air tastes sweeter. Air tastes sweeter. The signage shine different. Its a different Warmth Affiliate A sudden, as a free man, as can put it in words so these ladders from my dad, did you look forward to getting them . I did. Yeah, i did like a lot. Yeah. Because its a constant. So you get used to constants in jail. But most of them are demeaning or not so personal but a letter with ink on it from somebody on other side of the wall thats personal. That makes you feel human. The canon concern as a father had for me, it was genuine. My dad always says that we dont have a Justice System. We have a legal system, but theres no justice necessarily i can attest it. It i can attest it. It and jake tapper joins me now, i mean, youve spoken with cj rice since now. How is he . Hows he dealing being outside . I mean, its its just gotta be such a afterwards. So long dreaming of this. Hes, very, very happy to be on the right side of the wall as he puts it is still getting used to it hes also while grateful. Hes also you know, as one would understand, kind of annoyed an aggrieved with a system that stole more than 12 years from him for a crime. He did not commit and for a crime that the District Attorneys Office today acknowledged, there was very little evidence against him, not enough to prosecute him. And yet he went away in 2011 because chiefly because he had a really bad attorney and this all started with the letter from rice to your dad, who was you said is known him since before he was accused of Attempted Murder when he was a kid. I just want to play some of the conversation you had with your dad, dr. Tapper . Tell me about the first letter cj wrote to you from prison. He wrote me and he was very polite. Their dr. Tapper, could you please do me a favor and see if you can get the medical records from jeffersons hospital . From 2011, this sparked years. Of correspondence between u2 and i would still be writing them now, except hes not locked up. Right. And i know from being your son that these letters became important to you yes. I would look at his letter and then figure out what i was going to say in reply to him. Hes a fantastic writer. Hes very bright and ive shown you and other people his writing when i tell people who wrote what they were about to read or who wrote what they just finished reading. Theyre amazed. He also wrote about how tough it is being a poor black kid growing up in south philly, which spoke to you because you thats your practice. He grew up Walking Distance from the office of fifth and read and thats the neighborhood that i practiced in for most of the 48 years that i was in south philadelphia. This is one of the reasons why you chose to Practice Medicine where you chose to practice yeah to help these kids so nice seeing you time to your dad. Um, how is he doing tonight . How is he feeling about all this . I. Mean hes even more off than c2e to be honest. I mean, hes happy that she is free. Hes happy that the District Attorneys Office is acknowledging the injustice. But heres a kid that my dad testified in his trial in 2013 and said cj had been shot a few weeks before the crime. That he was charged with and could barely walk much less run and yet the state or the Commonwealth Of Pennsylvania is still pulling them away and hes still mad about it. And i understand why hes mad a patient of his had 12 plus years stolen from him in a system that seems to primarily protect itself more than seek justice and thankfully today, we had a District Attorney in a District Attorneys Office here in philadelphia. Larry krasner and his team and lawyers carl swartz and Amelia Max Field and others who were pursuing justice but too often, as you know, anderson, because we cover these stories all the time, the system seems invested more in getting arrests, getting convictions, than actually seeking truth and did the das office that they did their own investigation before deciding to drop the charges against rice, did officials find anything more than that you didnt know about . Absolutely. Because they had access to all those recordings of courthouse phone calls. I mean, now Courthouse Jailhouse Phone Calls it cj made and they one of the things that cj always argued was that when he turned in his phone, when he turned himself in after hed been named and as a suspect from a confidential informant, he turned in his phone when he turned himself in, and he figured that the police would get the Phone Records and ce he was in West Philadelphia at the time of the crime, not south philly, where the crime was, but the police never did that and he would play for his in competent attorney, please get the Phone Records. And she never get it. And what they heard, what the assistant District Attorney told me they heard in these Phone Conversations that he had with his mom and others was cj pleading with them, please get the Phone Records and him having cj having call after call after call with people trying to track down the phone because he was so convinced the evidence on that phone would prove he was not at the scene of the crime. And thats not what according to this assistant District Attorney, i talked to. Thats not normally what they hear when they listened in on these conversations, they normally hear people trying to concoct alibis, not people pleading for somebody to track down the evidence to prove the alibi. Jake tapper congratulations. And our best to your data as well thanks, anderson quick programming. No, jake, well have more on this case on my weekend show. The whole story, dont ms justice delayed the story of cj rice. Its sunday at 08 00 p. M. Eastern and pacific up next tonight, Vladimir Putin wins an election in name only face and faces acts of defiance during his Victory Speech breaks his silence also in the death of Opposition Leader Alexey Navalny i think this, is bad idea. Now, you tell me, i just think we find a pair give on etsy, you get mode once kalgoorlie its a pregnant cake. Dont pay any gift easy with gift mode. 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More now from Cnns Fred Pleitgen a Landslide Victory for Vladimir Putin that was never in doubt that a user with securing the russian president a fifth term in office and solidifying his grip on power with a record 87 of the vote. Its been given august a ditch. There are a lots of tasks ahead of us, but when we are consolidated and i think now it is understood to everyone no matter how hard anyone tries to frighten us, whoever tries to suppress us, our will, our consciousness. No one has ever managed to have done such a thing in history both the us and European Countries are condemning the election. And he serious Opposition Candidates were banned in advance and descend effectively outlawed. And yet a surprising show of defiance with protesters targeting dozens of Polling Stations across the country, setting fire to ballot boxes, pouring dye into others while in berlin, germany, thousands turned up at the Russian Embassy following calls from the opposition to swarm Polling Stations including yulia navalnaya, widow of the late Opposition Leader Alexey Navalny, who died suddenly in an Arctic Penal Colony The Last Mile Navalnaya said, she wrote her husbands name on the election valid and has vowed to continue his work. Then we could i teach nearly fubar and in his postelection address, putin, adria navalnys name for the first time, claiming he would have agreed to release him in a Prisoner Swap was one administrative resources. There are a few days before mr. Navalny passed away, some colleagues because asked me if there is an idea to exchange mr. Navalny for some people who are in prison in western countries maybe you believe me, maybe you dont. The person who spoke to me had not finished his sentence yet when i said i agree. But unfortunately, what happened happened. There was only one condition that we will exchange him four nuts not to come back backlash, not just from the us and its allies. Ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, describing the election as quote, a sham seemingly gamma are resist good dictator these days, the russian dictator is simulating another election. Everyone in the world understands that this figure as has often happened in history, has simply become addicted to power and is doing everything he can to rule forever there was no evil. He will not commit to prolong his personal power. And there was no one in the world who was saved from this russias ally, china though, was quick to congratulate putins real the saying it quote, fully reflects the support of the russian people with no one standing in his way. Putin is now on course to rule for as long as soviet dictator joseph stalin, for pleitgen cnn, berlin well, thats it for us. The news continues the source with Kaitlan Collins starts now see tomorrow straight from the source tonight, breaking the bank, donald trump needs about half 1 billion asap for the former president it says he cant find anyone to help him cover the massive payment thats coming due for fraud a week from the deadline, Michael Cohen is here to respond. Also. Are they getting band back together because paul manafort, who