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13 yearold sister, cara gordon, who lived at the residence. There were three other individuals at the residents, including a minor inside the home were able to hide and avoid being shot by gordon as he went through the house and searching for them following the shootings at approximately 09 01 a. M. Gordon drove to the unit block of edge would lean levittown, where he forcibly broke into a residence after which he shot and killed 25yearold taylor. Taylor, daniel, with whom he has two children. Following the shooting, he fled the scene at the time of the shooting, there were four other individuals present inside that home one of which was injured after being bludgeoned by gordon with the Assault Rifle she was transported to jefferson towards dau campus for her injuries at approximately 09 13 a. M. Gordon committed a car jacking at gunpoint of a 44 yearold man from morris fill at the parking lot of the Dollar General On Bristol Pike and more seville . The operator of the vehicle did not suffer any injuries gordon is believed to currently be homeless and has ties to the trenton area at approximately 11, a. M. The honda see rv that was the car jacking Victims Vehicle from bucks county was located unoccupied and the 100 block of Miller Street in trenton, new jersey at approximately 12 22 p. M. We received information that gordon is currently barricaded in new jersey with hostages hes inside the residence on the 100 block of Phillips Street and trenton. We are referring all information regarding that aspect of the investigation to the Trenton Police department . At approximately 12, p. M. We lifted are shelter in place i will answer the questions that were able to answer at this juncture. And ill turn it over some big excuse me for one second. Im going to im going to turn it over. Thats okay, joe. Im going to turn it over to chief whitney for a few additional remarks, thanking the resources, the tremendous region sources that have been devoted to investigating and preventing further criminal acts from this individual. And then well answer questions good afternoon, everyone. This was an Outstanding Team effort by the Law Enforcement community here in bucks county in addition to our District Attorneys office, we had assistance from the Pennsylvania State police, the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, and the federal bureau of investigation. We also had help from all of our surrounding communities that sent representatives to a staging area. While this incident was still dynamic and unfolding, to investigate reports that were coming in and assist us in securing the three different crime scenes that we had here in Falls Township. So my thanks to everyone who assisted us today. It was an Outstanding Team effort the spelling your name just for the record, please . Yes, my apologies gen. Shorn schf orn, bucks County District attorney gen. Is just je and thank you. My name is Nelson Whitney and el son who it and ey, im the Chief Of Police for the false Township Police department. Have you guys had previous contacts with the whether false counter anywhere in the county are outside. Weve had minor contacts in the past, but nothing that would indicate anything like this would happen. Woman who was injured edge her mother and a child was its the mother of the deceased victim. And yes, you very flanger. We dont believe to be that the injuries are serious. However, there may be serious bodily injury, but we expect that shell recover from those injuries. Where were the children . The children were present when the shooting happened you know about the motive. Obviously, we cant speak to that at this juncture one minor yes several of the Family Members at the first residents were successful in being able to hide from the shooter. One of them is a minor whos 14 years old. Here there were three individuals and the residents who were in hiding just generally speaking, they were all family other child who times burkina 13 excuse me so there were three other Family Member hiding in the first home in the second home, there were two other Family Members talking. Is that correct . No, not correct. Im sorry if i misspoke in the first home, there were three Family Members hiding in the other home. There were other Family Members present however, there was the deceased victim and then her mother who was injured as a result of an assault. And then obviously minor children were present. Mean and speaking to the Family Members do you know if theres any history of Mental Illness out first . Anything that would indicate nothing of that we can speak of at this juncture. How many weapon he believed that have i know the missile . We know initially he was armed with a long gun he may be armed with other weapons. I dont have specific information on that. What type of he was armed. My information is that he was armed with an ar15 teams style Assault Rifle at this point legally owned it obviously, this investigation is still pending. We will investigate every aspect of how he can come into possession of these weapons i understand that police were pretty close by on the shooting, was already pursued or interaction that officers have within boeing that there was no pursuit. Enforcement that location i dont really yeah. Yeah, im sorry. I really dont have specifics on locations of the calls for service or the nature of them that this time i just know that qualitative definitely there was nothing that to us indicated that Something Like this would happen how long again, well gather that information and report back with updates but as it relates to this matter, its obviously ongoing. And so i think at this juncture, any future questions we will certainly be providing more information as we receive it, but where i think that isnt criminal history, i can you know, i cant speak to that. If you confirm actually, dmat residents and friend. Thats been confirmed if i guess hes held lets do we know pools, whole medicines that are relevant . We understand he has ties to that home and believed to be family ties to that home. And how many residents are currently in their lives now, i cant speak to that at this juncture. Obviously thats an ongoing situation. And how long was the shelterinplace for, you . You know, approximately how many hours . Approximately three hours, i would say about three hours. Which towns or townships did that extent . We put that out just for our community here in false stanford how did you get everybody off the brake probably we were in we were in contact almost immediately with the organizers of the parade and let them know that we needed to shut the parade down. We also had officers go up and down the roadway and warn people to go back to their homes neighboring community to close down businesses as well. I would say that we certainly appreciate that everyone took that seriously. It was a dynamic situation at first. We werent sure where the actor was or where he was going to end up. So out of an abundance of caution, we wanted to keep everybody safe. And i think the community did a great job in honoring that sure. I will provide that to you if you dont mind off right. Off the record. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate your time thanks, everyone. All. Right. That was a Press Conference out of false township, pennsylvania, which is the location of the first part of what has become a sequence of events involving a suspect who as ive been identified as 26 year old, Andriy Gordon, you heard there from the District Attorney bucks county, gen shorn, as well as the falls Township Police chief Nelson Whitney, who talked about the residences where a gordon is suspected of going to wear three killings have consequently taken place. And you heard from bucks county da hey, ashore and who said one of the victims of 25yearold was someone with whom the suspect has two children weve got a Team Coverage of this developing story with us right now, former Philadelphia Police commissioner charles ramsey, former nypd detective tom bernie, and cnn Danny Freeman, also with us. So danny let me begin with you because this is a multifaceted investigation. While we heard from the bucks county authorities, their talked about the events that allegedly transpired there this morning. This investigation is also across state lines into trenton, new jersey, where its believed and we hope to hear from authorities in trenton, new jersey in the same form of this kind of Press Conference, but thus far weve learned that this suspect is there is barricaded in whats believed to be a resident and there were allegedly hostages as well. Bring us up to date based on the information we heard in pennsylvania first. Sure. Absolutely well, actually, let me do this because obviously, if theres a lot to digest from that press comments, but we have some information from new jersey, actually, which we just got in. Ill just read some of this is from a Trenton Police detective, lizette rios, lieutenant. Yeah. Theres that rios who said told cnn, i should say that the residents inside of the house that police have been focusing on this the images that you see on your screen right now, the residents have been successfully evacuated with no injuries. It doesnt say i should know. It doesnt say specifically they use the language residents, not hostages in this particular case, but at least the residents in the home that weve watched for the past hour or so, Police Focus On in trenton new jersey, the residents have ive been successfully evacuated. They do believe that the suspect, though at this point, is still inside and barricaded. They note that at by them in Trenton Police notes that fbi resources are on standby while the atf, new Jersey State Police and Mercer County Rapid Response team and the Mercer County Homicide Task force are also all on the scene with the police department. So i just wanted to make sure to get that upticks. We just got that with in the past few minutes or so. Theyve read if i may just speak about the press congress that absolutely just a lot of information we had heard the we would reported rather the police had said that this was a domestic dispute in essence, the killings prior to the scene right now unfolding and trends and we got a little bit more information that again, at least one of the people that he killed allegedly was the woman with which he had two Children Police also or i should say, the District Attorney said that gordon is alleged to have bludgeoned the mother of the woman who has his children with the butt of his Assault Rifle. One of the things that was interesting is that the police chief of false township was asked specifically, was this suspect on their radar at all . And he said hed had minor contacts with the fall false tanja police in the past, but i quote, nothing that would indicate Something Like this would happen. So again, a lot that we learned from that particular breast cancer, but i wanted to highlight those as unbelievable sequence of events. We still dont we didnt hear an explanation as to how this even got started in Falls Township. But those descriptors allowed us to see what hes being alleged of doing in that jurisdiction. And then there was an alleged car jacking that took place . No relation between the person whose car was carjack, notably was not injured but injured. Have you having a note for that stood out to me from that particular Press Conferences that the first their three locations of crimes in pennsylvania. The first was when two people were killed. The second was when one person was killed, and the third was the car jacking. The District Attorney in bucks county, gen sean said that in the first location were the first two people were killed . There were several Family Members in that residents who were actually hiding while gordon came in and cleaning children, including at least one miner who was a 13yearold. You cant even imagine what amount of fear there must have been in that household this morning. All right. Danny, i want to bring in some other folks too. Because as we said, is a very multifaceted investigation and at same time were looking at images seen earlier in trenton, new jersey, which is the focal point right now where its believed the suspect may be. And again, in this imagery, we saw earlier, you see Law Enforcement on that second level. You can see to the right of that residents, theres a ladder. We watched offcamera, not live on television, but we sought offcamera. We saw the investigator or the authority walking up to that second level and you see right here her opening that, getting into the window and then escorting somebody out. Weve since learned danny through your reporting that all of the residence is how theyre classifying the people in that house. They have all been taken out safely. All right. With us now, a former fbi Deputy Director andrew mccabe. All right. So so andy, this is cross state lines which is why we also love your expertise because now this possibly as a federal investigation right for Crossing State Lines. So if indeed this suspect continues to be in there, talk to us about the priority of events, trying to negotiate with this person or perhaps the priority is really trying to get residents out safely. Now what possibly is transpiring so for you hit the nail on the head there. The first thing if you have the opportunity to do it and it looks from this compelling video that they had the chance to and took advantage of it. You want to get as many potential hostages residents are actual hostages out on, out of that building and off the scene to safety as you possibly can. And what youre seeing there is a very careful, incredibly dangerous, risky move, but one that successfully evacuated number of those hostages every free time, you have a Hostage Leave the set. The level of risk and danger reduces somewhat and that is really the thing that Law Enforcement is focused on Going Forward as their everybody thinks about Hostage Situations in terms of a tactical entry where a Tactical Team morris swat team goes in and confronts the offender or the Hostage Taker in reality, that is the thats the option of last resort. Its incredibly dangerous for the Law Enforcement folks involved and for anybody whos in the house until when less people are in imminent danger of serious injury or death, youre going to put that tactical entry off as long as you possibly can. And if you can put it off by engaging with the Hostage Taker, talking to them, negotiating with them, striking deals for things like food or communications or access to talk to other people. Youre going to do that as long as you possibly can. So these things can typically really drag out if it starts to drag out like that, thats a sign that they do not believe that anyone inside is an imminent danger of death or injury. And what about from a Public Safety standpoint because youre talking trenton, new jersey, which is very heavily, densely popped philae. Were looking at what appears to be a duplex and while we are hearing the reporting that residents have been safely escorted from that building, you also look at the proximity of that duplex to the next one over and whats likely across the street, et cetera. So what is likely happening involving the law enforce . Course print resources about keeping people where they are communicating with other residents in the area, evacuating. I mean, what is transpiring possibly well first theyre responding Law Enforcement officers are going to be dealing with City Officials to understand based on plans, based on surveys, based on Building Permits that may have been filed, they want to understand exactly what that target residents involves. How big is it, how many . Many rooms, whats the layout . They also want to know if its been combined with any of the structures that are adjacent to it because that would give your subject the ability to move surreptitiously to a different location. So theyre gonna be doing that in the background upfront as they determine its safe to do so. Theyre going to probably an interact with each one of those adjacent residents, each one of those structures on that block. And if they can, they want to get those people out of their evacuate them, take them to a place of safety where they can be cared for and cater to until this is all over. Thats not always as easy as it sounds. Sometimes you have, you have homes with people who have medical conditions or mobility issues and they cant be evacuated quickly and easily. And so you want to communicate with those folks. Maybe give them a Law Enforcement presence in their in their location to make sure that they are safe, where they have to post up and stay inside so all of these logistical issues cues are being addressed in the background while we watch whats going on in front of the house. And of course, on that roof, there were folks are doing their work and andy are there federal resources that are being devoted to this right now in addition to the municipalities no question. I think you heard at the Pennsylvania Press conference that there theyve already interacted with their federal partners at the atf and also at the fbi i would expect that the new jersey officials have done the same thing as you mentioned. There is an interstate element to this crime started in pennsylvania. Now seems to be centered in jersey certainly a source of jurisdiction, although i should say car jacking is generally theres a federal offense for car jacking because of the mobility involved with carjackings. So theres theres plenty of federal nexus here to involve the resources from the fbi and other agencies oftentimes in smaller, more rural spots, your federal partners can bring tools and capabilities to a situation like this that you might, the local agencies might not have like Hostage Negotiators or or hightech surveillance capabilities that can actually give you eyes and ears inside the hostage location. But here youre talking about some pretty big municipal departments, Mercer County, trenton, bucks county, and in pennsylvania, very close to philadelphia. So theres a lot of robust Law Enforcement resources right in that local area. Okay. I also want to invite to this Conversation Former Philadelphia Police commissioner charles ramsey, also with us Hostage Negotiator, a tom verjee. And i wonder tom if i could go to you next because while were hearing reportedly residents have been safely escorted it out. We dont know if there remain any others or anyone who is being classified as a hostage at this point. So what likely is happening right now to make sure that communication is underway with the suspect while delicately also tried to figure out how to bring anyone it out of harms way good afternoon and wild crazy tragedy to be happening on as saudi. And this is something that Police Departments trained for and hope that never happens and as been mentioned by my colleagues the idea here is to try to lower the temperature of the room, so to speak. We clearly have an individual who is well armed. Unfortunately and has snapped. So now you have someone whos going through and emotionally emotionally disturbed and has weaponry to harm. Hes already harm to other people. Probably has no qualms about harming to police very likely. And you could certainly harm himself. So the idea is to try to at least calm things down enough where the adrenaline starts to dissipate a little bit as best as possible. How do you call them things down especially given what you just laid out . You know, the sequence of events that are being described as very violent lead to at least three deaths. It that police are confirming right now. So how does one maintain calm in what is a very erratic situation . Well, on the police side, theyre gonna be rational thinking fairly calm people. I mean, theyre going to be certainly theyre generally is going to be running a little bit too because they dont want to get injured or worse in this situation because we have to work under the assumption that this person feels as if they have nothing to lose and and if they wont go out in a blaze of glory, theyre going to take everybody else with them it seems so thats how they started. Were just hoping that the day doesnt end that way. So again, the idea here is to try to reason with someone who is who may be still somewhat unreasonable. And deescalation tactics are of paramount importance here and its not, its not easy thing to do. Usually after everyone is kind of in a place where theyre stationary and they dont feel like theyre sort of for lack of a better term under the gun to hide somewhere else or to carjack somebody else and flee or whatever it may be then things start to naturally calm down a little bit after something that they feel that they can use that this suspect might want then thats you try to find something, some sort of Common Ground, right . To establish that link to. You have to try to bring that person to a much more reasonable place. And then as was mentioned before, to get these other people out there, which theyve already done. So. Thats the good part about this, is that no one has an imminent danger at this point, except maybe the suspected bringing the Temperature Down that sounds like a gigantic, colossal i challenge chief ramsey. Let me bring you into the equation here. What phase of this investigation do you see this right now, theres so much that we dont know, but we only understand that some of the residents have been evacuated safely. We dont know if that person is by themselves, but how do you see things happening right now . And what, what would be the priority . Let me just very active right now. And the good news is it looks like they were able to remove the residents from that building that changes things dramatically when you dont have civilians that are inside with an armed suspect im sure they were able to get a lot of intel, a lot of information from the people that worship are evacuated to know how many people were in there. Did they know the individual . Is this is someone who they are familiar with or did he just randomly forces way inside of a home . So theyve gotten a lot of information and i believe that its why youre hearing now that all the residents are out. So now its the negotiators trying to make contact with this individual. To talk to them. To try to get them to come out. Now, theyll wait them out. I want to just highlight something that andy said earlier. I mean, the fact that you saw those Swat Officers using the ladder to go up and evacuated people from the second floor. That is a very risky move, but one that had to be made. Those officers put themselves directly in harms way to get innocent people out of that building. So really thats something that they trained for. But i think people shouldnt underestimate the risk thats involved in doing Something Like that. So right now hopefully didnt negotiators are able to make contact with this guy, tried to talk him out no way amount. As long as it takes if he doesnt have innocent people in there. He cant kill anybody else inside then time is really on the side of the bleach right now. And talk to me about the options that communication because when you say talk to i mean, that can come in a lot of different forms, right . We dont know if he has a cell phone. We dont know if theres a land line there. We dont know if a megaphone is used. So what are the variations of ways in which you just have them there . I dont know if theyve got a Cell Phone Number or wade objectum, but thats what then go shaders do. They do their best to try to reach out to this individual and make some kind of contact with him. He is a known individual because hes not no some of the Family Members or others may have a Cell Phone Number. They may have an idea as to how to actually reach out, whether theres a landline and the house is a possibility. But theyll do what they can to try to be able to have some kind of verbal communication with this individual, to try to coax them out. And as tom said, really try to deescalate the situation so it can be resolved without any more death mishnah ramsey, if i can jump in, its Danny Freeman over here you know, obviously philadelphia tremendously well and i imagine you have been up to perhaps this area of bucks, but certainly trenton as well can you just describe it from my understanding, having reported in philly for awhile, this is a pretty calm area, at least certainly the Pennsylvania Side that doesnt normally see triple homicides turned carjackings, turn barricades situations, right no, youre right. I mean, you just dont have that kind of Violent Crime occurring on a regular basis and bucks county one you just dont and so is highly unusual when you have Something Like this occur. And i think thats wasnt white. Residents took something so seriously when i got the information that there was a potential active shooter an area and you saw businesses shut down. He saw sesame place where i take my granddaughter quite frequently in the summer. Thats an lang horn in bucks county that was shut down that st. Patricks day parade. People took it very seriously. It is not common to have Something Like that. Take place in that part of pennsylvania all right. Thanks for all the general were and take a short break, danny. Thank you so much. Are going to stick with stick with me right here on the set as well. Were going to take a short break for now. Well continue to watch the ongoing developments. They are now the focus being on trenton, new jersey will grow back United States of scandal with jake tapper tomorrow at nine on cnn thing your family does yeah. That thing someone made it a thing way back in the day but where did it come from and how did it get all the way to you curious . Ancestry can help you find out. Because that thing has a story and its still being written what are you waiting for sale . 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A stand off with a suspect in a triple killing it continues that this hour in new jersey, although that the killings reportedly took place in pennsylvania, Police Say Three people who were held hostage by the suspect inside a residence in trend in new jersey are now safe after being escorted out all of this comes after three people were shot and killed earlier in the day in what officials are calling a domestic related incident in Falls Township, pennsylvania and then Authorities Say the suspect then allegedly carjack car jacked someone in pennsylvania before Crossing State Lines and then the vehicle was located there in trenton, new jersey. And now the focus is at this residents here in trenton, new jersey were already are and where authorities also say residents of that location as you see in pictures reported earlier, were all safely event actuated, are Polo Sandoval is there in trenton, new jersey, not far from the location which is the focal point of the investigation. What do you learning about all the events transpiring their involving what has been identified as a 26yearold suspect so for at the newest and the latest, is that this has now evolved into a form of a standoff situation happening between Trenton Police and the suspect identified as the 26 yearold menn Andriy Gordon. This is as close as we can take it take you right now, the yellow tape set up in this trend neighborhood, the home that you just showed our viewers is actually about a block just down on this street beyond the second yellow tape. And then where you see that Ambulance Stage as well as other emergency personnel, you take a left and thats where the home is. In fact, just a few moments ago, emergency personnel, Law Enforcement here on the scene actually deploying a police drone to try to get a birdseye view of the home where they say gordon is essentially barricaded and weve seen these pretty powerful, dramatic images of individuals actually evacuating that second floor of the home. And that is why authorities do not believe that theres there is nobody else inside that house except for the suspect that clearly an advantage for Law Enforcement are right now as they could strategize right now before they perceive they move forward. Whats important to also keep in mind is all of this sorted about a 15 mile dry 15 minute drive south of here in a philadelphia suburb which is where coordinates believed according to police to have shot and killed two individuals before he then proceeded to second home, were shot and killed. A third individual. Their people found hiding in both of those houses, which is absolutely just an incredible detail here to here from investigators before eventually committed that car jacking in a parking lot and that is what eventually brings him to this neighborhood. Trent new jersey, where he abandoned the vehicle actually not far from where im standing. And then according to police, eventually made his way to that house. All of this again, starting at about 09 00 a. M. This morning here we are hours later and now investigators are hoping to bring this tour to a peaceful land. I can tell you that this has been anything but a peaceful, quiet saturday for people, not just here in this neighborhood, but also were those shootings happen as shelter in place orders, temporary ones were issued, even forcing the cancellation of a of a parade in one of those communities fortunately, though again, investigators, police have now contain that to this particular stretch of road and trenton as they hope to bring this situation to a peaceful end and bring 26 years yearold Andrea Gordon under custody friday and then polo. Have you learned whether there is any of familiarity or relationship between the suspect and why that residents why those people in that residence . We heard from investigators, justice or while ago they saying that at this point they do believe that he had family ties to that residents. We do understand that bucks County District Attorneys Office also released the identities of some of those victims were related to gordon in terms of the suspect at this point, they say hey, they did have what they described as a minor contacts with him before today, but nothing that would lead investigators to believe that this was an a horizon that this horrible incident, what happened today in terms of a weapon that he is believed so used according to investigators during these initial shootings, they say that he was armed, likely with a long rifle, possibly an ar style rifle, according to the bucks county investigators, and also potentially other weapons as well. Its important also keep in mind here, fred, that even before that alleged car jacking took place, the gordon is believed to have driven a stolen vehicle to that very first scene. So now as we get a better idea of the events that transpired this morning, it seems that he drove according to police, has stolen vehicle to the first location, proceeded to the second one, and then eventually car jacks. An individual does not harm them, fortunately, and then makes his way here about seven miles away from that from one of the shooting locations where it ends in this standoff, all right. Polo sandoval there and trent, new jersey will get back with you and a moments still with me as a former fbi director, assistant director andrew mccabe, as well as Hostage Negotiator tom verna. So i wonder thomas, i could go to you quickly on if if fits the case that all of the residence or if they were hostages, even for a moment, they are all out of that trenton, new jersey a location, how does the negotiation change when it was negotiating to release the hostages . But now if youre only dealing with the suspect, how does the tone change . What kind of exchange of information or promises, if you will, are made to try to end this peacefully so generally in a situation like this, this, this happens in three different stages, right . You have the the Hostage Taking or the incident itself, the attack and someone takes the hostages then you have the demands of the negotiation, and then you have the termination of the incident. So thats were in Negotiation Stage at this point the its still fluid situation. Selective they the the termination of the incident would be the guy coming out preferably with his hands up and surrendering to police so they could take them into custody. Unless he comes out with both barrels blazing against the police. Were they are forced to use Deadly Physical force to protect themselves or someone else then ideally, they would want us to end in a peaceful situation and thats what theyre trying to negotiate now with again, someone who is not really up until this point has been a little off today to say the least, you know, youre dealing with someone whos emotionally disturbed and with any emotionally disturbed person. The tactics of the polices is to sort of isolate and contain them, which theyve done. They have, theyve been able to remove the occupants of the household, which is fantastic. Because like you said, like our other colleagues have mentioned that in upon itself makes it a little easier for the police to now just negotiate with one person without him necessarily threatening imminent threatening other peoples lives and safety now some time has expired here, right . And usually in these situations, if somethings going to happen in most situations usually happens within the first 30, 45 minutes, or 60 minutes or so of the incident. Thats where emotions are running the highest, the adrenaline is pumping and rash decisions are you . We made, but now that sometimes its expired, theyve been able to potentially make contact with him and or negotiate with them, hopefully that in upon itself, as we mentioned in the last segment the objective here is to deescalate the situation come to some sort of Common Ground where he will hopefully give up on its own and they could just take him into custody. And then we can move on so anima cave, there remains a lot of volatility here though, right . I mean, even though hostages may have been released a for suspect who is holding hostages. Thats usually the leverage that allows them to feel like theyre in control of the situation, right so now if the suspect no longer has that leverage how do you see the volatility of this situation . Only escalating sure. Well, i think tom is right to to characterize the number one priority. Now that youre hostages are off the scene is containment. And so they are really probably moving resources into position in 360 degrees around that location to make sure that if he if he realizes hes lost his leverage hes stuck in a house surrounded by Law Enforcement. If he entertains the idea that he might be able to escape i mean, this is somebody who has escaped already today several times, stolen a car to get to his first crime scene, committed a murder. There somehow traveled to the second scene hijacked a vehicle to get to new jersey. So this is a very committed, very violent person. Who is allegedly committed already three murders today. So Law Enforcement approaches this guy with the assumption he is as Armed And Dangerous as it gets with an ar style rifle. And somebody whos already killed, people, people in his own life today. So theres absolutely no reasonably that he wouldnt strike out lethally against Law Enforcement if he harbors the idea that he might be able to get out, you want to make sure your resources are positioned so that he cannot get out of that house without being confronted by Law Enforcement. Youve gotten everybody else out of the area. Youve evacuated close residences on that block you want to establish complete control and then you wait, right . You talk, you negotiate, you try to build rapport with this person. You tried to build a relationship of trust between him and the negotiator. And you try to you try to negotiate around those things you can do for him. You of course, will not send anyone else into that setting but you might negotiate over food or water, or access to communications where the ability to talk to someone that he wants to speak to about advice, maybe someone from his clergymen are a relative who he relies on it for advice and guidance. Youre going to have those people lined up ahead of time. Youre going to ive already coach them on what sort of things that you want them to say and the directions youd like them to try to influence him. And you wait, theres no reason to take additional risk at this point by sending a team into that house. If at some point they determined he is just absolutely never coming out out of there. He knows the only place for him to go is jail for the rest of his life or be killed in the process of trying to avoid that. And so he decides hes going to stay in there forever. Obviously, he cant stay there forever. And at that point, youd have to send in a Tactical Team. But thats a long way off. We have really just tucked in to a city tuition that Law Enforcement is capable of maintaining for a long time. Wow, thats fascinating. Okay any mccabe and i, tom vernier. Thank you so much. Dont go far because again, we continue to watch the situation that one can call standoff only because what we understand is that this suspect who is being blamed for three killings earlier today in pennsylvania . And after a car jacking has made his way to trenton, new jersey, believed to be in the residence that youre seeing right now . Were in negotiations could be ongoing after sure. Peaceful release of residents of that house has already taken place, but now continued negotiations with the suspect himself will be right. Back after this was caught in the trap and he couldnt get out. 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All right, welcome back to our continuing coverage of a standoff in trenton, new jersey where a suspect who is being linked to a triple killing across state lines in pennsylvania in Falls Township he has now allegedly in the residence that youre seeing right now in trenton, new jersey after the killings and after a car jacking, he allegedly cross state lines, went to this residents apparently has ties to the trent, new jersey area police were then able to surround this residents, were they were safely able to help evacuate other residents who were in the home. It was reported earlier that he had hostages and so weve only heard from police at their calling them a resident, two were safely evacuated from this duplex were seeing images from earlier today where you saw Law Enforcement to put a ladder and able to get to the second level burst through a window. Were able to escort at least one person that you see right now in this imagery, who then was able to descend and walked down that ladder safely. But the situation you should is ongoing Hostage Negotiation Negotiators are presumably negotiating and talking with the suspect to try to end this safely. Heres a suspect, 26 yearold, Andriy Gordon with me right now, cali stimson, he was assistant us attorney for Violent Crime the washington, dc us Attorneys Office, and prosecuted Homicides In Dc and maryland. Im so glad that youre able to be with us now to just give us some familiarity about how negotiations will be ongoing now, apparently all the hostages are residents of that duplex, have now been evacuated safely thats great news. But negotiations continue possibly with the suspect how do you envision that is happening . How are they communicating with the suspect and by what means and what do you believe is possibly being said to an individual who has it was being accused of a sequence of erratic behavior yeah. I think as your previous guests said that goal here is to dial the Temperature Down, speak in a calm, cool, and collected way his family is probably provided the Law Enforcement his Cell Phone Numbers are using bull horns or some other means to communication and trying to get the guy to engage and try to rationalize with him that its in his best interest to turn himself in. Things will be fine. But i mean, when you kill three people and you still two cars and your sprint across state lines is not a rational human beings, so its really up to him. Of whether or not he dials the Temperature Down and accepts their invitation to turn himself in one way or the other. Frederik of this is going to end. Its probably an end before it gets dark, because once it gets dark, things get a little more dangerous. And its either going to end with him taking his own life sadly, or hes going to turn himself in and hopefully no Law Enforcement officers just get injured. And then the hard work of putting a case together starts and i suspect theyre already starting that in bucks county where this case will ultimately be tried well talk to me about the great risks that persist even though many of the hostages or people who are residents of that building have been safely even vacuum waited. You mentioned ever then theres nightfall, but before you get to that point, talk to me about the great risks involved here as Law Enforcement tried to get in there safely, communicate. Like you said, either by bullhorn or cell phone, et cetera. To try to talk to somebody whos already demonstrated allegedly demonstrate it. Did violent behavior right. And number one, we dont even know if this guy is on something besides adrenaline. If he has a long gun and he has an ar 15 type weapon that has a long reach out and touch ability. So he could just start randomly firing that weapon through walls. And ive assumed those walls and windows wont stop those bullets. So those Law Enforcement officers and those people negotiating are putting themselves in grave danger. They are aware of the risk im sure they have body armor and whatnot. But these are heroes, everyday heroes, and these types of domestic since the patients pop up all the time and these guys are im sure welltrained. So hopefully he does the right thing in terms himself, in but with his recent behavior in the last 12 hours, who knows . Yeah, colleagues, stimson, i hope you can stick with us. Were going to take a short break for now as we continue to watch the standoff taking place in trenton, new jersey back anderson cooper, 360 weeknight today on cnn okay. 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