all right. so, admittedly, there is so much trump legal moves, that he may be having a little bit of trouble keeping track of it all. you've got election interference. you've got fraud, hush money payments, classified documents. yes, it's a lot. let me tell you what the main takeaway is tonight, the thing that puts, really, all of this in perspective. the presidency -- well, it just might be the ultimate get out of jail free card for one donald j trump. and imagine you are all in law school now. because, in a way, we all have become law students. how can all of this legal trouble just, maybe, fade away? i'm going to explain to you. but don't worry, no pop craze quiz, no socratic method. that's all coming up. but first i want to look at what we have learned just in the past few hours. first is kenneth chesebro, coming back to, maybe, haunt the former president. remember who he is. he's the ex-pro trump lawyer who claimed to fame was helping to cook up the fake electors plot, and pleaded guilty. remember that? down in georgia? to one count of conspiracy in the election interference case. now, he is talking to people -- investigative, not just in georgia, but in michigan, in nevada, and wisconsin, as well, of course, as georgia. now, if you are in a kind of old time gangster movie, you could say he -- like a canary. just listen to this exclusive audio of what he told michigan prosecutors about a photo op gone wrong, and the oval office way back in december of 2020. >> ended up explaining that arizona was still hypothetically possible because -- so it is, i think, clear in a way that maybe it hadn't been before then, we had -- to win. and that created a real problem. >> i think it was a real problem. absolutely. he told trump how he could still win, and explain how a so-called alternate elector that he helped to assemble in places like arizona and six other states gave trump an opening to keep contesting the election all the way until january 6th. there was another case. it's also a huge deal. i told you, a little bit of whiplash, a little bit of fire hose drinking here. this one might just put him back in the white house. how? maybe by kicking a can way down the road. judge tanya chutkan. you know her well from covering this case and -- come to pass. while she is now pausing, temporarily, the d.c. into election interference case, which could push that trial date that now we set for march of 2024 a little bit further down the road. and of course, the longer the case is paused, the closer we get to november 5th, 2024, and potentially a second trump term. now, jack smith has asked the supreme court, as you know, to step in and resolve a really big question in that case. the big question, of course -- does trump have presidential immunity? in other words, law students come in. -- with all this, you already know. all these cases are piling up. it looks pretty bad for the former president. but in the end, it may all come down to what happens on election day. because if trump wins at the federal level, of course, he may also win that great big old get out of jail free card. i've got a mountain of legal developments i've got to pile through with all of you here. with that, it's important to know, that important to actually get and assess, and i've got the perfect guest to do. it sam -- norm eisen, special counsel in -- sofia nelson, former house gop investigative committee counsel. so, first of all, first things first, we've got a fire hose going, all drinking through it. a lot of cases to get through. when it comes as major development today, this pause in this case before judge chutkan, it is very significant, isn't it? >> it is. we are on the clock in that case, because trial was set for march 4th. we are in december. we are counting less than three months to get to that case. and the question is, how many days are going to be eaten up as we have these appeals? there is two going on. there is a process going on in the supreme court. there is a process in the court of appeals. both, though, are moving at extraordinary speed. we don't know what the terminus will be. if they take 30 or 60 or 90 days off the clock, you still get that trial. instead of march, it's a trial that begins in june. you get that trial before november. if it takes much longer, it gets tougher and tougher. and it matters so much because of the connection between your two points, laura. if you look at that big new york times poll, where trump was leading biden in the swing states, if trump has a single conviction and sentencing, there is a 14-point swing. so, there is a connection between the trial date and the election date. >> sophia nelson, are you ready for my dramatic reading tonight? it's coming. it's coming right now, a little bit of a grinch who stole christmas moment. i'll tell you why. you know what i'm talking about, don't you? so, apparently, trump's attorneys had been arguing about that clock. because we all know that you never, ever should actually be serious in a filing before the court. but here you are. he asks about in talks about the proposed schedule. they say, this is an actual quote in a legal filing -- this proposed -- attorneys and support staff to work around the clock, through the holidays, inevitably disrupting family and travel plans. it is as if the special counsel growled with his grinch fingers, nervously drumming, i must find some way to keep christmas from coming. but how? you've been in private practice. you have served honorably in government as well. is this even remotely persuasive to a court, as -- the idea, you've known the schedule all along, and now the -- grinch who is doing it? >> first of all, they are unserious. we all know that. so, let's move on. secondly, the judge did give him a stay. judge chutkan did something that really people were not happy with today. i think that she made an interesting choice, given the fact that no judge likes to be overturned. so, if it goes to the supreme court, a court above, her and they go back and say, there is not going to be a trial, because he does have presidential immunity, there is a problem. i agree with everything norm eisen said about the timeline, and the process. it all depends on how fast this moves, and how fast they come back. one question i would ask you, norm, because you will know this better than me is, can she -- this parallel or the reason she stopped it is because you can't? for the reasons i said. i'm not really sure. >> trump's argument is, i'm totally immune as president. it's a losing argument. >> it is. >> however much time gets eaten up at the end of that -- they are going to say, you are not immune. >> hold on. is it that certain? i think so. he's not president. >> it's inimical to american law, laura. the whole idea is, there should be somebody in charge who -- we started a country in which everybody is subject to the constitution. judge chutkan wrote a very persuasive opinion. there has never been a case holding a president absolutely immune. i think this court, the supreme court, is going to toss that out. for sure, this panel, and the d.c. circuit -- >> -- >> it's a strong panel for the government. they are not going to recognize that. but the problem that sophia points to is, when you have made an argument that, hey, i am not supposed to be in this court at all, binding supreme court precedent to jack smith and tanya chutkan's credit, they followed the law. while that argument that trump is making -- you have no right over me at all -- while that is going on, you've got to pause most of the case. that is what tanya chutkan did. it is the honorable thing to do. >> with that -- >> and again -- the who've ill hooville -- >> rocket docket -- and the supreme court, it's going to be decided, i think, the most likely, nobody knows for sure -- the ads cluster around 60 days -- and you just go from march, to april, to may, maybe to june you can still get a trial in before the election. and that's -- >> of course, all of this while judge chutkan maybe pausing it, those who are building the case and preparing the trial, are not stopping, or they ought not to stop -- kenneth chesebro, for example, we heard the audio tape -- information about what he is telling those in different states. that is a very important point. because the witnesses, those who might testify against trump and other actors, they will not have a pause in preparation. they will still be held to account for that guilty plea, for what they must say on trial truthfully. they don't have a break. >> while you were prosecuting, you know the prosecutors don't risk. i worked on committee staff. you work. we don't sleep. there are days you don't sleep. so, i think it is actually to trump's disadvantage that they are not -- his lawyers kind of this whole pause, and we need christmas, thing, actually, for allhe reasons you stated. >> chesebro shows that trump knew -- while he were president, and the immunity aspect of it all -- lost. >> it also comes down to the immunity argument. that everything you do while you are the president is not immune from prosecution, if you knew about criminal behavior, perhaps. >> how could -- we >> apply to joe biden if he -- >> logic, hold on -- >> how could that be the law? once you are elected president -- bank robberies. >> there is my point! >> -- and even murder in the oval office. it can't be -- >> go back to the framers intentions -- ridiculous. anyway, go ahead. >> the average person thinking about how the supreme court takes a case. based on how ridiculous you are describing it, why would the supreme court -- >> to be settled -- >> they are just doing it for that reason. you think so -- i wish i could be as confident as -- >> this is clear -- article one, article two, article three. you've got the judiciary and the executive, and the congress, right? i think in this case, the supreme court and the courts want to be clear about what is presidential power. what is presidential immunity? we need to know that going forward, so that this never happens to us again. because this is a kangaroo clown show, in my humble opinion. >> look, it is possible that the supreme -- right now they are deciding, are they going to take up the question or not? they may. and they are going to get a brief from trump on december 20th. they also do not want to be accused of being grinch like. i was a defense lawyer, so i had to represent as a grinch. okay? that was my client base. they don't want to be accused. they may decide their last business days december 22nd. they will say, hey, we are going to consider this. and their determination might be serve, denied. they may say, chutkan was right. i think they will probably take it up. i think the votes are there. and they are going to say, in some form or fashion, there is no absolute -- >> i think -- anonymous as well. i think they are all going to agree. >> unanimity at the supreme court? that would be something to behold. norm and sophia, thank you both so much. coming up, what everyone is going to be talking about for weeks to come. i'm thinking -- it could derail the next election. -- this year, and -- is next. , >> all right. well, here is something that will derail washington for weeks. it's what everyone is going to be talking about for quite some time. let me bring you up to speed. because it would potentially up in the presidential election. the impeachment inquiry into president joe biden, the house voting today along party lines, perhaps unsurprisingly, to formalize that inquiry. just hours after the president son, hunter biden, defied a subpoena from republican investigators to give closed-door testimony. remember, he has been insisting that he wants to testify. but he's got to do it in a public setting. a lot to discuss now with beto o'rourke, a former 2020 presidential candidate, and a former congressman from texas. beto o'rourke, i'm so glad you are here. i have been curious about how you would think about all these different issues. so, welcome this evening, to the program. look, the republicans -- they got what they wanted so far. there is now an impeachment inquiry. biden is calling it a baseless political stunt. and i'm wondering, without any information on this high crime and misdemeanor, which we thought was the requirement, is any of this truly warranted? >> laura, first of all, thanks for having me on. i wonder if the seas really, at the end of the day, what republicans want. they may think they want this right now. but the fact that they have had years to investigate the president and his son, and have been able to turn up nothing -- and, it's not just me saying it. it is republican members of congress who are saying this as well -- means that, over the course of this next year, the american public and, importantly, the electorate, is going to become increasingly frustrated with the waste of time and resources and attention and focus. we have real, legitimate problems right in front of us, right now. and i think this is going to go further to make the case for reelection of the president. and it is going to make the case for the election of democrats to congress. because the american people want folks in those positions of power who are actually going to get something done. and as you know, republicans have a very narrow majority. there are competitive races all over this country, including three right here in texas. so, in some ways, this might be a gift to democrats, to the president right now. we saw what happened in the impeachment president clinton in the 1990s, and a resurgence in his power and the power of democrats. so, i would not be surprised if the same thing were to happen over the course of this next year. >> that's interesting. because, when you look at impeachment -- when the public proceeds it as a political hit job, so to speak, when they are looking at this not based in evidence, that there tends to be that reaction. and yet, we as a society, as you well know, of become quite accustomed to impeachment proceedings. we are not quite there yet. but we are at two in two years, when it came to donald trump. do you think he could arguably benefit, similarly, given that a lot of his campaign has been about retribution? and-for-tat and, hey, this happened to me -- why can't it happen to you? will this be a kind of a wash, given those two prior impeachments, based on asserted high crimes and misdemeanors, of course? >> i think we have to give the american people, and the folks that are going to be voting in the 2024 elections a lot more credit. i think they understand that president trump was impeached, not once, but twice for very serious crimes. shaking down, or attempting to shake down, president zelenskyy and the ukrainian government, to dig up dirt on the biden family, or trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power after eight lawfully, legitimately decided election. in fact, he is the only president who has votes to convict him from both parties. the first time that that has happened in american history. this persecution of president biden right now has glittery turned up nothing. and i think the people see that right now. and even republican members of congress see that right now. so, they are empty-handed without being able to pass a budget, move anything forward in the congress, or even make a deal on things that almost everyone in this country -- at least in the congress -- can agree upon, like sending aid to an ally that is under attack by vladimir putin in europe. to stave off a potential attack on nato partners and allies, which would involve the united states military, and a war that none of us wants to begin to imagine -- this is an american party right now, and the republican house is in absolute dysfunction. and instead of getting the job done, they have chosen this sideshow of prosecuting the current president with no bases and no facts whatsoever. >> maybe you can add to the sideshow you speak of hunter biden. right? he is somebody that they have been after for quite some time. years-long investigations. there are criminal indictments that have now been brought against him after a failed plea discussion over the summer. but he was on the courthouse -- the steps of the congress, rather, just today, and was talking about wanting to testify in front of cameras because of the concern of being used as a political pawn. now, he is telling everyone there is absolutely no they are there. but he was subpoenaed. -- to testify behind closed doors. do you think hunter biden should have appeared nonetheless? >> i think that prosecutors should follow the facts and the evidence as far as they go. and if he is found guilty of a crime, he should pay the price, as any other american would. what he should not have to do is play a central role in political theater concocted by the slim republican majority in the house of representatives. and i think he did the right thing today by showing up publicly and transparently talking about the allegations against him, about what the last few years of his life have been. and once again, saying very clearly, and without a predication, that his father has no connection to his business dealings, or the things that he has been alleged to do. but if we are going to talk about those who have access to presidents or former presidents, when you look at what jared kushner has done, trading on the name of his father, both while donald trump is in office and -- that is the big leagues of corruption and influence peddling. if hunter biden has committed a crime, and a jury or judge finds that to be the case, then, so be it. and it should run its course. but trying to bring him into a failed impeachment plan that has so far surface no evidence, no facts whatsoever, i think he did the right thing today by calling that out publicly. >> it sounds like putting the political cart before the horse. if it were only impeachment discussions, if it were only hunter biden, perhaps it would be manageable for the reelection campaign of president biden. but there's a headache out for the administration. as you know, there's been a lot of polling. one is a new poll out of marris university. it has biden at only 39% support among gen z. you have resonated with jen z for many reasons. why do you think the numbers for biden are so low? >> i think part of it might be that people are not fully engaged or paying attention yet. it might be that the president and his team have failed to effectively engage this part of the electorate. we are a little under a year away right now. and the clock is ticking. certainly they should make this group of american voters a priority. but i think that the president has an extraordinary opportunity right now to connect with those voters. and the issue is immigration. it is one that many democrats tend to run away from, because it is such a charged issue. as you know, it's at the center of negotiations around aid for ukraine, israel and taiwan. i think the president, who distinguishes himself from the former president president, and really from any other politicians, by being such a moral man has the opportunity to lead on this issue that resonates so strongly with younger americans. if he could say, listen, there are people who are trying to come to this country. i am going to make sure that there are illegal, safe, orderly pathways for them to do it, so nobody dies along the way in the process and we don't separate families so that we don't cage kids as donald trump did, and work to solve a problem that most of america agrees is the real challenge right now, not only will he be a hero for doing the right thing at the right time for the right reasons -- i think politically, this will accrue to his advantage. and so, i think this is a great opportunity for him to reject extremist demands by a gop senators right now who want to revive some of the worst trump era policies and really lead on an issue that young people really care about. >> you know, one of the things that has also been a factor here, as we emphasize about young voters -- you can probably guess where i am going -- he has lost a lot of support among latinos, among african american voters, and there's a lot of concern about his age in particular. do you think that president biden is the best choice for democrats to secure a reelection in 2024? >> i do. and he is the choice. there is no other choice. to be really clear, it will be donald trump versus joe biden in november of 2024. that is the choice before us. everything else is just static or interference or a distraction for the time being. it is going to come down to those two men. and when you look at the contrast, on any given issue -- and let's just go back to immigration. you know, trump wants to round up and deport millions of people who have made their home here in america. he is the person responsible for separating children from their mothers and putting kids in cages. we can either go back to that kind of shameful history in our country, or we can move forward with the president, who's made extraordinary gains confronting climate change, reducing childhood poverty, investing in infrastructure of this country, and navigating some very difficult foreign policy decisions better than just about any other person to do given the same set of circumstances. he has done a remarkable job. but to your point, laura, he has got to make the case right now of what the next four years will look like. and if there is an issue that is grabbing the attention of this country right now, it is immigration. for those of us who live on the border, where i am here, in el paso, and for people -- and especially young people across the country -- for the president to take this issue on, and not accept a deal that will revive some of the worst trump policies that we are rightfully so ashamed of, but will lead us forward on making sure that we make the most of those who are making coming to this country because they have nowhere else to go, to stay where they are fleeing from means to die in those places, and to give them safe, legal orderly pathways to do this, i think it would be a major achievement for his administration. and it would inspire people who right now might be checked out of this election to think about joe biden and ultimately to vote for him. >> that's 2024. is 2028 something you are interested in, beto o'rourke? well >> no, not at all. i am very focused on the moment and what we have got to do to make sure that this country stays on the right path. we know here in texas we have got our work cut out for us. and we started a group called powered by people that is folks on registering hundreds of thousands of voters to win these competitive congressional districts, to make sure that ted cruz does not serve another term, and to put texas is 40 electoral college votes into play. imagine if a democrat were to win texas. it hasn't happened since jimmy carter did in 1976. it would forever change what is possible electorally in this country. and i am singularly focused on that issue. >> we are going to have a lot more to talk about after a quick break. so, please stick around. we've got a lot to ask you, including about what is going on in texas, particularly over the issue of abortion. we will be back in a momenent. wowow back with us now to talk about the issues that may decide the very next election, -- let's talk about what's going on in texas. we've been covering a lot about kate cox. the texas woman who was forced to go to court to obtain an abortion after her fetus had a fatal condition. she was denied that ability to do so. the judge said so, but then ken paxton said no. she did end up leaving the state to get the care that she needed. you responded saying this, texas, this is texas should be changing. so how do you intend, or is it possible to change liz hammond? >> don't count texas out. i know that some people are tempted to do that, especially with news like this. you mentioned ken paxton our attorney general. as this woman is going through this incredibly difficult moment in her life. that threatens her health, maybe even her own life, being forced by the state of texas to move her pregnancy to a non viable pregnancy. and then ken paxton, the attorney general says, if you go get this court approved procedure. this abortion that might save your life. i will go after your husband, i'll go after the doctor, or hospital that facilitates this. and they may go to prison for the rest of their lives. so, don't give up on texas. if anything right now texas right now needs you the people who are watching right now. let's remember this, a little more than 50 years ago abortion was just as illegal in the state as it was today. but it was three extraordinarily brave texas women jane roe, lynda coffey -- are two attorneys who won against all odds, and before an all male united states supreme court, the decision roe v. wade. that for 50 years almost, protected a woman's right to privacy. to make her own decisions about her body. so, let's make sure that we support texas women right now. and there are a number of ways to. do it i'm focused on registering voters. so we can make sure we can replace people like ken paxton with pro-choice public servants, who respect the people that they are reported to serve in public office. that we win these competitive congressional districts. and that ultimately, our values are reflected in the people that hold public office right. now the 2024 elections, and laura i know that every person says this about every election cycle, but these really couldn't be more important. the lives of the women of texas are literally on the line. we also happen to be a state that has one of the worst maternal mortality crisis is of any state in the country. of almost any developed come tree in the world, it's three times as deadly for black women right now. so this is literally life and death. that's why registering voters, voting, getting out there and meeting people, volunteering where you can, organizations like ours powered by the people. that's the work that we need to focus on right now. >> now my friend and colleague abby philip has an incredible story on sunday about saving black women's lives and the maternal health crisis that we're facing in this country. again, this is not a developing country, this is the united states of america. which is why, as you mentioned, thinking about row the wait, and the decision. this priem court is taking up another abortion related. case whether or not to band -- which is the most commonly used drug for medication abortions. even in states where it is legal. are you worried about this court in particularly, knowing about the dobbs decision, knowing that it has a conservative majority, and they have been the ones who overturned roe v. wade. the fact that mifepristone is now part of the conversation. do you have concerns about not being able to count texas, or many other places? out. absolutely, and everyone watching this needs to, know the only reason you and i are having this conversation right now is the four years that donald trump was president, and the extremists justices that he nominated to the supreme court who have made this living nightmare of so many women across the country. especially in states like texas, but as you mention, that might be women in every single state in the union, depending on how these extremist conservative justices decide this case. a case by, the way which originated right here in texas, in amarillo. not to put too fine a point on it, but everything that we do over the coming year leading up to the 2024 election will determine the kind of country that we live. in weather women, not just in texas, but in any state, are free to make their own decisions about their body. and to decide their own future. that is not hyperbole. those are the facts. so it is incumbent upon each of us, yes voting is important, but that's the anti. that's just what you are expected to do. sign up with a campaign, volunteer with someone, run for office yourself if the filing deadline hasn't already closed in your state. and fight for the rights that we are about to lose forever. maybe the last thing on this. i think it just underscores how important it is that joe biden win reelection. and i know there are some people, for whom joe biden is not the ideal candidate, i get that. and as he says don't compare him to the almighty, look at the alternative. the alternative is donald trump. and it's more extremism, more control of women's bodies, and things that are so antithetical to the freedoms that we cherish in this country. so, it is all on the line right now, what all of us must do, is old but we can with what we have, and where we are. if you are in texas, that means registering voters, and winning every single election you can. >> it seems that roe v. wade will remain on ballots, at least in invisible ink, but certainly in the spirit as you describe right now. there are so many other issues -- thank you so much for joining us today. >> thank you. well two men in los angeles, they are now free today after being wrongfully convicted and collectively, they spent decades, in prison. they are not alone, there are others that were exonerated this week as well. we will talk about it next. can you imagine spending years, even decades in prison knowing that you did not commit the crime you are convicted of? how would you feel if one day you were able to walk freely once again. would it be relief, anger, joy. it turns out, probably all of the above. sadly, we are hearing several firsthand accounts of people who were wrongly convicted, who have now been released. i brought you one of those stories last night, marvin haynes, the man who spent decades behind bars, had his murder conviction vacated on the basis of unconstitutional witness identification. since i told you about him, we have learned of three more wrongful convictions. tonight, two men convicted of murder as teens in separate los angeles cases, are speaking out. mcgill siluria was 19 years old when he was arrested for a drive-by shooting in 1998. in a review of new evidence it was determined that he was misidentified, as his brother in a photo lineup. and he was released after 25 years in prison. >> a few weeks ago i celebrated thanksgiving with my family for the first time in 25 years. i got to meet the 15 newcomers in the family. we had amazing tamales, and i gave each family member a huge hug. i'm a positive person, and i always have a smile on my face. but that does not mean that i do not struggle with the trauma i went through on the inside. >> then there's the other la case. giovonni hernandez, he was 14 when he was arrested in connection to the 2006 shooting death of another teenager. his conviction in 2012, led to a sentence of 50 years 50 years to life in prison. there is new evidence, including cell phone, records that were able to be used, to secure his release. >> my case, and miguel's case, it's not unique there are more people in there who are innocent of a crime that they did not commit. i want to thank them for that. we need change in the system, we need change in our juvenile system. i just want to be that voice for those who cannot speak. >> in illinois, brian beals is now free after spending 35 years behind bars. he had been convicted back in 1988 for a shooting death of a six-year-old boy. newly-surfaced witness statements showed the beatles was actually the target of the shooting. not the perpetrator. as for marvin haynes, even though he has had 20 years of his life taken away, he told me last night that all he wants to do is look forward. >> when i got wrongly convicted i told the, judge i'm an innocent man, and i'm not going to stop fighting until i get justice. i had 16 years old i told him that. it's just a shame that these people, who are supposed to be for justice, administrated this injustice and senate sent a child to prison. it's just a shame, that these people did me like this. but at the end of the, day i can't look in the past, i'm looking at the future, i'm an exonerated man and i'm happy about that. >> it really begs the question, just how many people could be behind bars for crimes that they did not commit? more than 1.2 million people, right now, are in state or federal prisons. while no system is perfect, even one wrongful conviction is one too many. i want to bring in cnn's josh campbell, josh, i'm so glad that you're here. you and i have talked about the justice system more broadly. and what can go wrong. i want you to just walk us through, a little, bit about what you are learning about these two freemen, now analla. these were different cases, but the process of exoneration happened in terms of the evidence collection, and how it could be proven. >> that's right, it's important to point out laura none of that evidence came to light the cause of the work of law enforcement. this was due to the dogged work of public defenders volunteers, and nonprofit groups, who work to ensure that those who are in custody are not being held unjustly. you and i laura, we both worked in law enforcement, we put people in jail. it's important to know that law enforcement is made up of human beings that are not infallible. it's so important that you have these groups out there that are essentially checking the work of the police, what we're learning in these cases, as you mentioned, two in los angeles today, two of four that we learned about throughout this week. authorities gathered evidence and then years later, after these groups work to bring that evidence to light, to present it back to the los angeles county attorney's office is, essentially overturning those convictions. >> just the idea of the fallibility of human beings. it's such an important point to think about, who's behind these decisions. -- of course the jury comprised of human beings as well. the dea says that both cases in l.a. show a real issue with how police are often relying on witness statements. talk to be a little bit about. that >> witness is obviously very important investigative tools. if you have someone who is at the scene of a crime as an investigator. you want to know what they saw. but there is a danger in law enforcement getting tunnel vision. and focusing just on what one person says, and certainly a danger if they are excluding other evidence. in the two cases that we have been talking about here, with miguel celerio, authorities according to the prosecutor today, relied upon a botched photo lineup that a witness looked at, and determined that now they actually got the wrong person in that case. in the second instance, it was just 14 year olds, as you mentioned gianni hernandez, wasn't rested for murder in a drive-by shooting. he claimed that he was at home, he was nowhere near the scene of that incident. and in fact years later, because of the work of these advocates, the l.a. district attorney brought in the fbi. take a listen at what they. found >> a new analysis of mr. hernandez's cell phone records by the fbi shows that his phone was not at or near the location of the shooting, and supports his alibi that he was home at the time of the shooting. >> so again, important investigative tools, witnesses, but when you rely on that and exclude other evidence, you end up with travesties like we've seen seen. here these men's collectively serving decades in prison for murders that they did not commit. >> just a tragedy in, that and of course we're all thinking about the families of the victims, who now are faced with the prospect that the person who is responsible has not been caught, is not being held to account, and somebody else in their place. josh campbell thank you so much. we will be right back. >> here's a full circle moment. we started the show with testimony about what happened behind closed doors. and now i want to show you a video that played out all across our televisions. there was an on court ultra keyshawn during a golden warrior phoenix suns games. golden state forward draymond green, has been suspended indefinitely after being thrown out of the game during his team's 1:19 to 1:16 defeat to phoenix last night. during the third quarter, green spun round, and struck the suns center use of nerc age in the face, with his right arm, dropping him to the ground as you see. they called it a flagrant foul. he claimed after the game that the hit was, accidental. but, now it appears that he might be suspended indefinitely, following yet another, incident. thank you all for r watching. ouour cocoverage conontinues.

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