to take away from all of this, what i think is the one thing, well, here it is. rudy giuliani. i cannot get this story out of my mind. that's why i'm going to focus on it right now. do you realize that someone that was the former district attorney for the southern district of new york, a very familiar prosecutor, is refusing to stop defaming and lying about election workers? election workers who have been proven, proven to have done absolutely nothing wrong. in fact, the federal judge who is overseeing that case has already ruled that rudy is spreading false information about ruby freeman and shea moss. he is falsely claiming this that they were passing around usb drives as, quote, they were vials of heroin or cocaine. interesting use of that description and analogy, is it not, when in fact it wasn't a usb drive. remember, it was a ginger mint being passed between mother and daughter. now it's a matter of how much the man who was once known as america's mayor will have to pay for defaming them, not whether he did, but how much he has to pay for having done it, the damages portion of it. but even knowing that he is in court today, this week, in the midst of a trial on that very issue, it's not stopping him. i mean, i remind you, he was the former u.s. attorney. he should know better than this. >> do you regret what you did to -- >> of course i don't regret. i told the truth. they were engaged in changing votes. >> there is no proof of that. >> oh, you're damn right there is. stay tuned. >> how about you just tell us right now. because stay tuned to me means you're trying to find a reason to reverse engineer. tell me right now what the evidence is, or maybe last month tell us, or the month before that, or at any point in time where you had opportunity to demonstrate there was any evidence whatsoever. i mean, i deal with the court of law. he knows that quite well. i'm not staying tuned unless i want to hear more about the damages portion of the trial. and there are very real world consequences to all of this. i mean, it wasn't just a theoretical thing whether ruby freeman or shea moss would somehow have been attacked by people verbally, they wouldn't have felt in fear of their lives or their livelihood. just listen to this example of threatening voice mails left for ruby freeman and shaye moss. they were actually played in court today. they were emails full of obscene and racist threats. i'm going play some for you. but i'm going warn you, not only are they disturbing, they were directed at people who just community as election workers. >> you're going to jail, ruby. you're going to get locked up, ruby. that's election fraud, ruby. what was on the usb drive, ruby? you're all going to [ bleep ] jail, you piece of [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> hey, this is shaye. i hope you like jail, because that's where you're going, on your way to hell. >> and based on what were these taunts relayed? i mean, imagine if you picked up your phone and there was a message like that on it. and frankly, some of the other ones are so riddled with obscenities, so riddled with vicious racial slurs, we have to actually beep out most of them, making it entirely incomprehensible. today we actually heard from shaye moss herself, and she said that her worst fear, and imagine this, after being an election worker, after having what was said about her and the defamatory statements that were made, that she is now afraid that her son would find out that her mother would be maybe hanging from a tree, or getting the news at school that his mother had been killed. can you imagine what that was feeling like and what it still does? she had to tell him that racism is real and that she felt like someone like shaye moss, and i hope that she hears this, because nothing that you have done warranted that behavior. i haven't planned to stay tuned, nor shall we all about some figment of one's imagination that was not presented in a court of law in a ruling already issued. telling the truth, setting up powerful people to protect your son and do what's right for your country and help democracy by actually being an election worker, what were you supposed to do? and to think about how personal the attacks have felt, what it's felt like to you to now question your own ability and perception of yourself as a mother. this is where we are. and the next election day is 328 days away. and guess what? stay tuned for this. you're going to need election workers to protect our fair and free and fair elections. but who would raise their hand to do this kind of job after just an example like this, what happened to shaye moss or ruby freeman? the big question is why. why won't rudy giuliani stop the behavior? what's behind it? that's what's got my mind spinning tonight. through all the different news, this is where i'm focused, thinking about what on earth is the motivation. well, let me ask ken freedman, because he was the campaign spokesperson back in 1993 during rudy giuliani's run for new york mayor. he is also a consulting producer for the cnn original series "giuliani: what happened to america's mayor?" i'm glad that you're here. i've really been racking my brain, thinking about just the idea of stepping on the rake time and time again, knowing you already had a defamation finding. i mean, you heard what shaye moss had to say today. >> yeah. >> tell me, why do you think rudy giuliani is doubling down now? >> i think he's taken a page out of trump's playbook. you know, trump is defiant. he has been trashing the state attorney general letitia james after every court session, and rudy is doing the same. he's given to excess, that's for sure. and you know, i wrote a column about him in the october 9th, 2019 where i advised him to stay away from trump, to stay away from fruman and parnas, and instead he returned to the ukraine the next day. he doubles down, as you said earlier. if you told him he made a bad hire, he would give that person a raise and a promotion. so if you want him not to do something, you tell him the opposite. >> so reverse psychology would have worked. maybe telling him go ahead and defame them. then that would have maybe had him stop it? here is what i'm asking, though. walk me through that psychology. because what is it -- what's at the core for him? is it that he's trying to emulate the courthouse steps conversation to trump, as you say? or is it something about it, is it an ego that says you can't tell me what to do, i'll do whatever i want? is that where it's coming from? or something else. is he trying to please, or what? >> you alluded to it earlier. no one knows the law as well as he does. and, you know, i spent -- we spent two years researching the documentary on rudy. and i knew a lot about him already. but i learned a lot mother, including the fact he was best of class in the u.s. attorneys office. he was number three in the justice department at the age of 38. and he was a very effective first-term mayor. you may not like his bedside manner, but he really turned the city around. he was transformative. and he did it through sheer force of will. and he is used to willing people to do his bidding, the same way trump is. and it's not working anymore. so he's just flailing around, you know, desperately trying to, you know, stay out of jail, frankly. i've said on cnn and elsewhere that his only goals should be to die a free man. and i think he and trump -- yeah, if their lawyers are iteming them anything other than that, they're not giving them good counsel. and i think he is banking on trump becoming president again. not that he could pardon him in a state case, but i think the two of them are convinced that trump is going to become president and they're going to put the band back together again. >> well, i don't know if that needs to be a cover band and somebody else pretending to be or what, but let me ask you. you mentioned the bank. this is a damages case. this is not just a run of the mill finding of whether or not somebody has actually done what they are alleged to have done. this is also about what it's going to cost them. >> right. >> and we're talking about millions of dollars at stake here. and word on perhaps the manhattan streets is that he doesn't visit. is that part of the motivation? what is the impact of him not having the funds you think on his behavior? >> well, he is desperately lashing out. he doesn't have the money. everybody knows that. but they're never going to collect the money, the same way the sandy hook families are not going collect millions and millions of dollars from alex jones, in spite of his bankruptcy. so i think he knows that he's not going to -- he's not going to live to pay out millions and millions of dollars. he can't even afford a new car, frankly. i know that. that's how low on funds he is. so it's a question of collecting, right, laura? it's not just a number. you've had to actually collect the money. the damage. i don't see that. he doesn't have tens of millions of dollars. even if he sells his apartment. >> well, i think that's probably in the cards. but that's why i wonder about the doubling down. when one does not believe that jail is in the immediate future and that someone can't collect on the payment, then maybe being defiant is his way of punching out. you know, i'm just to really understand you and your relationship with him. i mean, this is somebody -- he married you and your wife. you carry around a picture of giuliani for years in that picture with you and your wife for years. >> yes. >> and here you are now, very vocal about who he is today. why do you feel it's so important to speak out? >> i feel an obligation, because i did know him when he was a terrific mayor, and i've seen the devolution of him over the years. and i feel it's my obligation, frankly, to share what i know and to try to, you know, prevent democracy from being overturned. that's -- that was a big part of our documentary. if you recall january 6th, he said "let's have trial by combat." and that can only mean one thing. let's overthrow the government, and let's take the capitol. and that's exactly what happened. you know, words matter. he should know that. frank luntz wrote a book called "words matter." and rudy doesn't seem to understand that, or doesn't seem to care about the effect of his words and his behavior. >> well, that's the crux of this particular case, right, the words. the idea of making statements that defame someone, that are false, that diminish someone's reputation or standing in a community. he has already been found to be liable for having done that. now it's about the damages, and even now he says he doesn't regret a thing. ken freedman, this is a fascinating, at least psychological study for a lot of reasons. thank you so much. >> you're welcome so much. thanks for having me. >> and of course i'm not going forget the fact that while we're talking about rudy giuliani, the focus should be on the people that he was doing that to, and what they're going through tonight and yesterday and every day since it happened apparently. also, republicans, they are on the verge of taking the next steps in their impeachment inquiry into president biden, but here is a little thing that maybe no one's really talking to you about, yet could it backfire on them? that's what everyone is talk about tomorrow, i bet you. we'll cover it right here next. all right. so time is of the essence, and voters are already making up their mind. look, the first caucuses are just weeks away. ron desantis is finally apparently seizing the opportunity to take the shots at donald trump that many wondered why he hadn't taken before, because he was, of course, trying to become the front-runner. well, here he was at cnn's town hall tonight. >> i think the first three years of the trump administration, the economy is better than it has been, but that last year with covid i think was mishandled dramatically. i went to the rallies with donald trump. he said he was going to build the wall and have mexico pay for it, and that didn't happen. i think, though, one thing in this race that i think is important to point out is donald trump flip-flopping on the right to life. >> hmm. i wonder where this person was maybe a couple of months ago. let's talk about it with our two esteemed guest joe walsh and karen finney, who was a senior spokesperson for hillary clinton's presidential campaign in 2016. seriously, people have been wondering about not just him, but all of the candidates as to why they were not addressing in a very pointed and direct way the faults of donald trump. one would assume you would in an election year. why do you think it's happening now, karen? >> well, i think he recognizes time is running out, and this was an opportunity to reintroduce, the reintroduction of ron desantis 2.0 with his cowboy boots and all, right, and it was an opportunity. >> maybe he watches "yellowstone" like myself. that's fine. i'm not going to judge him. go ahead. >> as you know, as a tall woman, i've dated a man who wear cowboy boots, and it only means one thing. that's okay. i think he recognized it's an opportunity. the question is, can he close, what is it, 40 point gap? and i think paul begala earlier this evening made the point that it's a 70-point swing from where desantis was a year ago. so he is clearly trying to show a kinder, gentler more empathetic, quote, unquote more human as we would say, particularly on abortion. it was really interesting how he didn't quite take the bait on answering the question that jake asked him about the situation in texas where the woman has just had to leave the state to have an abortion. >> 31 years old. mother of two. has a fatal diagnosis for a genetic disorder for a 20-week-old fetus, and now had to leave the state for an emergency abortion. >> he used it both as an opportunity to attack trump for flip-flopping, but also to try to, again, seem more compassionate. it was interesting. he said the legislature had put -- did you notice the legislature had put forward this legislation that had a bunch of different exceptions, and that he went ahead and signed it, when in the past, he was -- i did and it was about me. and there were some other places where he kind embellished let's say the facts. >> even when it happened, when he signed it, he had an event that night, and he did not address it fully at all. >> it is an issue republicans do not want to talk about at all. laura, it's too late. he got into the race like haley got into the race months ago, not to beat donald trump. they decided from the get-go we're not going beat him. we can't beat him. we're just going to wait to see if we can be the alternative if something happens to trump. something didn't happen to trump. he has increased his lead in iowa. it's just too late. >> well, you know, he is still going to go if it's too late, he would go against president joe biden in a rematch. and you've got republicans trying to now secure an impeachment inquiry against him. we are hearing about the reverse engineering. we haven't heard about what the high crime misdemeanor is. silly me, i thought one had to come first. chicken, egg, which one comes first? apparently now it's the inquiry itself. is that going backfire? >> yes, yes. short answer. >> okay. and the will. why? >> this is what the base wants. this is what trump demands. and truthfully, joe biden would love this. >> you think he would love it, really? >> oh, gosh, yes, politically the will be anathema to most of the american people. as you said, there is no reason for this. and most americans don't know the difference 2001 the beginning and impeachment inquiry. look, they're beginning an impeachment of joe biden. that's there is no reason for that. that is going to backfire. >> what do you think? >> i completely agree. number one, it's going to be particularly bad for republicans in those 18 districts where joe biden won because their right-wing colleagues have been trying to convince them hey, you're just going to be voting to agree that we should have an inquiry. we're not really voting for impeachment. guess what? they're all going to face "you voted to impeach joe biden" in districts that are very conservative. that are going to say what did you do for me. they're going to go home at the end of this week having not really finished their work, but they had time to vote to impeach. an impeachment inquiry for joe biden. >> laura, and the speaker was asked today what do yaw want your biggest accomplishment these two years to be. he said "increase our majority." there was no legislation. there was no policy. we want to increase our majority. that's what they're trying to do. >> with threw is a big part of the base that suggest democrats did this very thing to trump, and that he rebounded effe effectively because they thought there was no reason to impeach him. certainly not the same level of reverse engineering by far, but that's the concern about how this might play both ways. do you see that? >> well, i see something slightly different, which is remember all of the moderate republicans and republicans like joe walsh who migrated away from donald trump towards joe biden or just to not vote. >> you could argue that trump did nothing and then there was an impeachment. we could debate about how serious it was. this is an example, laura, where they're going to impeach and then try to find out if biden did something. >> reverse engineering. not one of us -- you have a b.a.? >> no. >> what do you have, bs, what do you have? engineers? >> not an engineer. >> that's the point i'm trying to make. we got you. karen, joe, thank you so much. the point was we're not engineers. tomorrow be sure to check out the cnn town hall with vivek ramaswamy in iowa. abby phillip. chris sununu just endorsed her. that's at noon on "inside politics." ukrainian president zelenskyy is coming back into washington. in fact, he came today. but this time it was a very different washington, d.c. he did not get the warmest rece reception. so what's changed since the louisiana time he came to make the case for aid in his fight against russia? some are obvious. some not so. we'll dive in next. first time i connected with kim, she told me that her husband had passed. and that he took care of all of the internet connected devices in the home. i told her, “i'm here to take care of you.” connecting with kim... made me reconnect with my mom. it's very important to keep loved ones close. we know that creating memories with loved ones brings so much joy to your life. a family trip to the team usa training facility. i don't know how to thank you. i'm here to thank you. putin is banking on the united states failing to deliver for ukraine. we must, we must, we must prove him wrong. >> president biden trying to make the case to skeptical republicans to push forward more military, more economic aid to ukraine. his plea coming during ukrainian president's third visit to washington, d.c. since the war, and he came with his own sales pitch. the difference this time? well, an increasing number of americans are no longer interested in buying in. you see this purple line? that shows steady growth and how many americans say the united states is paying too much. and it may not be that surprising when you lock at the actual map of ukraine. the yellow shows ukraine's gains in the recent counteroffensive, and you perhaps would not be wrong in asking is that it? but we'd be wrong to think of that myopically. the small gains are raising big yeses, like how much an impact giving more aid would actually have. republicans in congress are holding up aid package and timing it to increased security at the southern border. regardless what you believe, it's about terminating america's role in what's happening across the world and what we do or don't do doesn't just impact other countries. it also influences the shape of our lives here at home. i've got just the right guest to talk about all of this, because here with me tonight, former u.s. ambassador to ukraine bill taylor. i'm so glad you're here, ambassador. it is such a different perhaps washington that zelenskyy has now come the. and i want to go right there with the question. there is pushback. if there is no aid, and ukraine succumbs to russia, what next? >> those are great questions. first of all, in europe, that will mean that russia is right next to poland, and right next to romania. it's already right next to lithuania and latvia and estonia. but russia will be that much farther into nato's area. and if russia challenges nato, we're obligated. we're committed. we are obligated to support our allies. people will be asking at that point, well, i think people will be asking why did -- who lost to it? where were the people who were supporting ukraine at the beginning, as you said, when president zelenskyy was there the first time, standing ovations in the congress. and they will say what happened to them. the ukrainians have been fighting bravely for like 20 months. you remember, people thought they would last a week. >> they were very confident about the military might of the russian army, only to find the unbelievable strength of ukrainian military forces. >> unbelievable heart and strength. that's exactly right. and our support was crucial. and europeans. let's be clear. yooens have provided as much as more than we have at this point. yes we do more weapons. they do more overall in terms of the sport. but what the ukrainians have done themselves without any u.s. soldiers, they don't want our soldiers. they just need the tools to be able to push the russians back out. and if they don't, if the russians are able to overcome them because we get tired, and we let the raungs down, this democracy wants to join europe, then people ask who caused it. >> but it's the why. you heard in the town hall earlier hosted by jake tapper, he speaks about you have to take care of your own home first. that's been a common refrain when people have caucused about the maid that goes other places. taking care of america first, whether that's the phrase or not. when you have trying to be a liaison tweeze these two entities, how do you balance and address the needs to create and provide those buffers? >> you absolutely have to do both. there is no doubt that we have to be secure here in the united states. first of all, we are nor secure and europe is secure, and europe is more secure if ukraine is the buffer, the block between, the rest of europe, nato europe and russia. and that's what ukraine is doing right. now that's number one. but we are secure, we can do both. we have a defense budget. and that defense budget is to protect us, make us more secure in the case of two big enemies. frankly, the russians and the chinese. 5% of that defense budget is what we have given ukraine. so for 5% of our overall defense budget, which is designed to secure us, to protect us from the russians and the ukrainians are doing that job. >> but really quick, i think about putin, what's been going on. when you see the attention that the world has shifted towards what has happened in israel, in the israel hamas war, and now the kchsz is around aid for both ukraine and israel. putin stands to gain from the divided attention? >> he absolutely does and has. which is why i'm so glad you're paying attention to this issuen. and i'm so glad that it has come back into focus at least with president zelenskyy's visit. you're right about the different breeding. but he has refocused a lot of our attention on something that is necessary now. subsistence is necessary now. >> really important to think about what one action today, what the domino effect will have. because you can bet your bottom dollar that military operatives thinking about the next step and the next step. and time is running out. really important to hear your perspective in particular. thank you. >> thank you, laura. >> ambassador bill taylor, everyone. thank you so much. will is also news right now. we'll be right back and the very latest of what's happening next. (♪♪) (♪♪) (♪♪) get exclusive offers on select new volvo models. contact your volvo retailer to learn more. breaking news. the israeli army says that 7 of its soldiers including a battalion commander have been killed in a single incident? northern gaza. a soldier died in a separate incident on tuesday according to the army. it is one of the biggest losses of life in a single incident for israeli forces since the ground defense began. and on october 27th and takes the total number of soldiers killed inside gaza since october 7th to now 112. i want to turn to a minnesota man who is free tonight after spending nearly 20 years in prison for a crime he didn't even commit. marvin haynes was 16 years old at the time. he was sentenced to life in prison in 2005. the police charged him with the murder of a flower shop owner during an attempted robbery. this week, a judge overturned his wrongful conviction on the basis of unconstitutional witness identification. the judge writing in part, quote, there was no physical evidence linking pet in additioner to the crime scene. there was no dna evidence, friendship evidence, physical evidence, surveillance evidence, or other forensic evidence. marvin haynes now 36 years old, has always maintained his innocence, and he joins me now. marvin, good evening to you. i can't imagine what you must be feeling to know that it took nearly 20 years. but tonight, you are a free man. tell me about what that moment was like, marvin, when you first heard the news. >> first of all, thank you for having me on your show. i appreciate you. it was -- it was joyful. i was extremely overjoyed with emotion. i knew this day was going to come, but i had no idea how it was going to come. and i got the news on my birthday, on my 36th birthday. so i'll never forget that day that my lawyer called and said my sisters were vacating and i would be coming home if they exonerated me. so i'm just so appreciative of the new administrators in the county and through my lawyers, the innocent project, they saved my life. the evidence was there to show. the city was inured for it for 90 years. >> i mean, just to reiterate, not that you we leased early, but you were common rated. you did not commit this crime. they have recognized this. but 20 years of your life, since the age of 16, you are now 36 years old. i just wonder at first how this all started. did you reach out to the innocence project? did you reach out to certain attorneys to say look, i need help to try to convince and persuade and get everything filed. how did that relationship even start, marvin? >> i was -- i was sentenced to 33 years, which was life in minnesota, plus additional charges for assault. i went to prison, and i had no idea a wrongful conviction. i thought was the only man that was child from that time. i dumbfounded. i didn't know what the word exoneration mean. so i was lashing out as i was innocent. so when i got to -- when i got to prison, i went to the hole and i read about the project. they looked into my case, and they seen that i was innocent and they never stopped fighting for me. now i'm so appreciative. >> you obviously i see the smile on your face. you seem like you are still a very -- i see it right now. i know you can't help it. i don't blame you for smiling. who could blame you? i'm smiling watching you, just knowing you have the opportunity to be free and to have your name cleared in this way. but i do wonder, how does your mind stay positive? you must have had some very dark times over the past 20 years, knowing that you did not it in in house. >> i can't even describe it. it was faith that got me through that, and it was perseverance gone relentless. i never was going to stop until i got justice. when i got wrongly convicted, i told the judge i'm an innocent man, and i'm not going to stop fighting gal nhl i gte justice. it's just a shame that these people that are supposed to be for justice have engineered this injustice and sent the child to prison. it's a shame that these three did like this. but at the end of the day, in the past i'm looking in the future, and i'm an exonerated man, and i'm happy about that. >> i'm happy for you, marvin. if your smile is any indication, your future will be very bright. mr. marvin haynes, nice to meet you. congratulations. >> thank you. thank you so much. up next, the civil rights icon that you may not have heard about. the director of the new movie "rustin" joins me now to talk about the incredible life of bayard rustin, who helped organize the march on washington. test. > 30 years ago, gandhi walk to thehe sea, pickeded up a han of salt anand ininspired a a mo that brorought down n an empire. the time has come e for us to o the e same. we arere goioing to puput totoge largest pepeaceful prorotest in history ofof this nation. >> i'm big. >> 100,000 people. >> well, that was coleman domingo in the new movie rustin. he plays bayard rustin, an unsung hero of the civil rights movement, and a gay black man, a quaker who never apologized on who he was. he organized what you heard him talking about there, the march on washington. a little more than 60 years ago. joining me now the director of that film, george c. wolf. i'm so happy that you are here with us today. i've always been a very big fan of your work. so thank you for joining us. and this, of course, is no exception today. this actually could be an oscar-winning performance from coleman domingo. and i'm just curious. what was it about baylor medicine that push you'd to make this movie? >> he was a phenomenal figure. he was a phenomenal american. he was curious about other people. he was very inclusive. he believed so deeply and so fundamentally in democracy that he also -- and because of that love of democracy, any place he found himself that was not living up to the standards, he would challenge it. and spent his whole life doing that. so he is a phenomenal figure we all should know about and celebrate. >> i want to play another clip. this is the scenene betweeeen bd rurustin and t the then n direc ththe naacp. watch ththis. >> g gand i brouought t an e emn toto its niece. >> will someone please tell this man this is not india? >> for decades, the spca has been legally lead charge. have you talked to martin about this? >> i lost his number. he lost mine. >> welell, dr. king, who hasn't lostst my nunumber, has come to undersrstand that massss lobobbs sheer r madndness. > brown verersus board d is crowningng glory of f this ororganizationon. yet alall across t the sououth, negro o children sleep, , they whiteses' ugly signs i instead their dreams. counting on the courts to eradicate financial generalsy. >> that is so revealing. i knee that voice. i see you have some really strong actors in this movie as well, clueing chris rock. but organized on the march in washington, no walk in the park. i didn't come together the snapping of the fingers. talk to me the fight to actually even get the idea off the ground. and of course the skill in bringing together people around this idea. >> i was a brilliant organizer. and the thing that you just happened can respond to the violence happening in the south. john kennedy presented a bill which was going to be come to be known the civil rights bill. but he ended up replacing before he was dying. jay did that and the varied civil rights leaders that the dixiecrats in the south would not pass. so they decided biden in particular to have this march to celebrate, you know, and to celebrate american democracy and to celebrate the need to move forward with what was happening in the south and to make the smell that was democracy stronger and colder. so this coalition of people who were all very committed to the same cause, but different believes. naacp believed heavily in the court. other organizations, calculate top powell was involved. he was fighting in congress. they all came together in essence, and the organizing of this event was led by bayard rustin. there have been many marches on washington since this time. but this was the first time it was put together. and bayard did it with a group of kids. i mean, 18, 19, 20 years old. and they organized it in eight weeks. >> look, we are in a very trying and divisive time. i'm being generous even when i say that. to sort of have this -- >> yes. >> -- theme to be looking backward is it's really in the forefront of our minds. rustin himself was a huge proponent in spite of all these things going on of nonviolent action. and we're seeing threats and acts of political violence all over this country. what should our nation take away from his approach? >> i think we should take away the fact that the understanding that by virtue of living in a democracy, doesn't mean that you just get to experience that which is great about it. you have to be engaged in making sure that the muscle that is democracy is protected and honored and fought for and fought for passionately. fought for does not mean with weapons and guns, but with heart and with conviction and with making sure we elect the people who need to be elected and using the power of the vote and using the power of our hearts to make sure that we take the stand and we have the presence of injustice. >> so well said. unbelievably. so you talk about the muscle of democracy in tandem with the heart being our strongest muscle. so that's no coincidence. >> absolutely. >> george c. wolf, what a pleasure getting a chance to speak to you tonight. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> and thank you all for watching. our coverage continues. you're probably not easily persuaded to switch mobile providers for your business. but what if we told you it's possible that comcast business mobile can save you up to 75% a year on your wireless bill versus the big three carriers? 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