there was a powerful moment today, at the tribute service for former first lady rosalynn carter. her husband, seven of 77, years former president jimmy carter, emerge from hospice care to attend. he was seen there in the front row. we didn't hear from him, but their daughter amy did share a letter that he wrote to her mother, 75 years ago. >> my darling, every time i have ever been away from you, i have been thrilled when i returned, to discover just how wonderful you are. while i am away, i try to convince myself that you really are not, could not be as sweet and beautiful as i remember. but when i see you, i fall in love with you all over again. i does that seem strange to you? it doesn't to me. goodbye darling, until tomorrow. jimmy. >> there was quite a bond. thank you so much for joining us here in tel aviv tonight. laura coates live starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ good evening everyone, and welcome to a special two hour edition of laura coates live. abby has the night off. there is a clear violation of a shaky truth between israel and hamas, but may it -- both sides of the war confront this choice. to choose between peace, or to renew violence. there are two very different stories emerging this very evening, from the very same incident. clashes in northern gaza that both sides say marked a breach of an already touch and go truth. both sides are pointing fingers, and laying the braim blame on the other four skirmishes reportedly involving explosive devices. now, it is truly a classic fog of war incident. and yet, at least for now, both sides are choosing to look past it. we already know and witnessed a now nightly routine. the israeli government says it is received, and is then going to review, a list of hostages that hamas says it will hand over tomorrow. today, a starkly different view of the war, not from the front line of fighting, but from the choreographed hand over of israelis. this move comes courtesy of agency france press, and it shows hundreds lined up around the red cross vehicle, cheering shouting allahu akbar, god is great. the look and feel, it is very different than the slickly produced slaughter of the israelis, that the world watched on october 7th. at one point, you are going to see masked terrorist escort a person in a wheelchair to the red cross. now, i want to bring in former pentagon countered, excuse me alex -- . i am so glad you are here with us tonight. and looking at all that we are seeing. first of all, this idea of a very clear violation of what's happening, but they are looking past it. the hostages are still going to be released. what are you seeing, when you think about how this is all unfolding? >> that's a great question. and when the incidences unfolded a little earlier today, i was very concerned this is going to escalate, and potentially derail the ongoing transfer of hostages, and the temporary cease-fire that's been established in the negotiations have taken place. but it seemed as you mentioned, that it was an isolated couple of incidences that are there. and whether was fog of, or as you mentioned earlier, which is a very realistic potential, or whether or not this was a couple of actors who are trying to derail the process, it's clear that both sides do not see that as something that they want to move forward with, and they're gonna look past right now. >> and what you are seeing what is, exactly, top of the areas of evacuation. because of course, lined with all the hospitals. the two main roads use for an evacuation. you know of course that different bordering crushed -- , this crossing everyone's been looking at and looking to. where did all this take place? do we have an idea of the skirmishes? >> yes, the skirmishes. i mean, the israeli forces are operating mainly in the, north as you mention here. and you see wadi gaza, which is the line that he is really has given, saying everyone has to evacuate -- so, there were a number of explosions that took place at altogether, if you're not mistaken. tens of much machine gun fire that it kind of turned into a bit of a skirmish i think was the word he was earlier was an actor discussion where to place. >> and we know of course the aid director has been back in the area, and so we know so far of all of the people released, we are talking to women and children. there are still many others. now the conversations around the potential of releasing men as well. you know, what's happening there? >> great question. and bill burns is a fantastic cia director, and he has a very unique skill set and set of experiences, where he was a diplomat for a long time, and in a masochist. and what i'm with vladimir putin than anyone else in the administration. he was at dinner with him about a month ago, where a former cnn -- top will be on the phone with him, as they are crafting an agreement with arafat, back in the day. he's got a boatload experience, he knows how to, negotiated deal with tough characters. , and he is somebody that the administration has relied on a regular basis, to deliver sensitive, diplomatic notes or discussions behind closed doors with things need to get. so he's the right guy for the job right now. >> when you look at what we are learning. and we are hearing about the stories of so many, and many more, people who are free just today, these human being, as these people, these loved ones. we are learning about some who have to endure watching the horrific videos of the slaughter. does that tell you anything about the psychological warfare at play here? >> yeah, i think so. and there's a couple of potential reasons why they would do that. whether it's just pure, washing. whether it's a continuation of the torture that they need, or they were some of you may be particularly enjoyed. we know from the videos that were captured by gopro, that some of the hamas members were laughing, there's maniacal laughter in the background. so there's people who enjoyed what happened, which makes it even more sick. or, whether or not is potentially a warning. because a lot of the folks that were released had, at least one family member who remained captured, who they were co-located with for quite some time. and so, they may have wanted to prevent them from giving details about where they were captured, or their locations, specifically to avoid that situation, and giving up the information. and so to do so, continuously reminding them of the repercussions of what could happen, and to scare them to basically being quiet. >> that's a really important point, the idea of trying to use. this not only as a way of showing this maniacal moment, but also trying to deter them from saying here is who else is right here. so we don't even know what we don't know, at this point. and all the debriefings must be taking place. really, really powerful to think about all of this. an unbelievable for so many reasons. alex -- thank you so much for joining us today. and even the youngest hostages once released, are having to return to lives that may have drastically changed. cnn's clarissa ward spoke to thomas hand. this is the father of the nine -year-old emily hand. emily had been at a sleep over, a sleep over, on october 7th, when hamas attacked. now he initially thought that his beautiful little girl was dead. but he found out later that she had been kidnapped by hamas. now, she was released on saturday. and thomas hand says she's only just starting to even explain what she experienced. >> i said, -- and i'm like wow. i don't believe it. and, all of the sudden, the door opened up, and just ran. it was beautiful, just like just like i imagined it. running together. i squeezed, i probably squeezed too hard. >> it was a moment thomas hand thought would never come. told his nine-year-old daughter emily had been killed in the october 7th attacks, and then that she was believed to be held hostage in gaza. finally, reunited with her family after 50 days in captivity, freed but visibly haunted by her ordeal. >> certainly when she stepped back a little, i could see her face was chiseled, like mine, when before she left it was chubby, girly, young kid. the most shocking disturbing part of meeting her was, she was just whispering, i couldn't hear her. i had to put my ear on her lips, like this close, and say, what did you say? i thought you were kidnapped. >> she said, i thought you were kidnapped? >> she thought i was in captivity. > and what has she told you about what she's gone through? >> i thought she was in the tunnels, but she wasn't in the tunnels, they were actually fleeing from house to house, where i don't -- she said the -- , of the box. so you had to say like, how long were you in the box. when she said, a year. and, apart from the whispering, that was like a punch in the gut. >> there is that one photograph, right after your reunion, and your holding her, and there is this sort of seriousness to her facial expression. >> yeah, she's almost staring isn't she? well a little bit of a disconnect, with everything going on around her. >> has she cried? >> yeah, yeah. last night, she cried until her face was red and blotchy, and she -- she didn't want any comfort. i guess she's forgotten how to be comforted. i just had to wait until she could be by herself. and, she knows how to do that, she's very determined little girl, very strong. i knew that her spirit would get her through that. >> there have been glimpses of the old emily. her first request, to listen to beyoncé, and play with the family dog. but many moments of pain, like when thomas was forced to break the news to her, that his ex-wife -- , had been killed. >> does emily understand what happened on october 7th? >> yeah, yeah, unfortunately she does. we how do you tell her, your second mom is dead, killed, shot? when we got back to the hospital, i said to the psychiatrist, what should i do? she said, you just got to tell her straight, it's the best way. okay, but yeah, that was very hard, because we told her. and, her little eyes glazed open and she just went -- , what like a sharp intake of breath, a terrible thing to tell a child. but and, they recommend that you have to close the book. it sounds cruel, but you have to stop their hope. we've got to stop that [crying] i have to be final, -- is dead. >> and so, what is the next step now? how long do you stay here, how do you start a new life? >> the future is obviously to get emily back to health. and we will do that along the way. but, the next thing is along the way, we have to get older children, obviously, all older women, older men, all the hostages have to come back, they have to be brought back. >> clarissa ward, thank you so much. i mean, that was just got wrenching. you guys know that i have a nine-year-old daughter. and the entire time and listen to that, i'm thinking about what that must have been like, what the nine-year-old little girl's mind is like right now. to think that she had been gone for 50 days, believing that it was now a. d. a year. not being able to accept comfort, learning that her father had not been that captivity, that she is seeing him now, this disconnect. i mean, when we look at the release and return of these hostages, i know i'm keeping in mind, and on many of you are as well, about the road that must be ahead, for these families who think they are going to be receiving who left 50 days ago, and perhaps the innocence, that pure innocence is not coming back. and it is devastating to think about. and, i'm not sure at times, how you can put one foot in front of the other. but as they say, my mother always tells me, life must go on. i forget sometimes just why. up next, another cnn exclusive. liz cheney, blasting her republican colleagues, and revealing their conversations about donald trump. including why kevin mccarthy made that infamous trip to mar-a-lago. her fellow republican, on the january six committee is going to join me live. plus, a major moment in the 2024 race. tonight, the influential and well funded koch network, they have backed someone, and it's nikki haley. in an attempt to take donald trump down in the primary. jonathan carl is here. it's titled oath and honor, and it's due out next week. and lo and behold, cnn got a hold of a copy. cheney's chronicles various episodes, showing how republicans banned every which way to try to appease the former president, donald trump. here to talk about, it former congressman and january 6th select committee member adam kinzinger. and, the reporter who broke this cnn exclusive, special correspondent jamie gangel. i'm so glad that you're here. i have to tell, you i want to like take the book out of your hands and oh, thank you, i want jury to cover to cover. [laughter] i will hold it right here for a second. but, she is not holding back in this book at all. tell me about it? >> absolutely not. so, liz cheney is painting a scathing portrait of her republican colleagues, of the party. for what she calls, she calls them enablers, collaborators. she says they appeased him. and she talks about their cowardice. i just want to read you a couple of quotes from the book. she says, quote, donald trump cannot succeed alone. and, they are enabling him. i think what's important is, she has the receipts. she names names. the book is based on text messages, emails, personal conversations, meetings. and, it's really filled with revelations about what was going on behind the scenes. so, she talks about her relationship, her unlikely alliance with nancy pelosi. but here is an extraordinary scene, from the book. it is january 6th, it's the gop cloakroom, and republican congressman marc greene of tennessee, is signing his name to object to the vote. they all know, as she writes in the, book that it's a farce. and she overhears him say, the following. quote, as he moved down the line, signing his name to the pieces of paper, greene said sheepishly, to no one in particular, the things we do for orange jesus. well >> that's a new nickname, the orange jesus. obviously, she is talking about donald trump. >> he's talking about donald trump. so in public, they are supporting him. in private, this is, you are hearing what they really. say >> you know, in a way, we suspected a new part of that from the reporting over the years. people behind the scenes we'll talk about something, and then in front of the cameras. but there is also the snow that i think everyone wondered about. and that was, when former speaker kevin mccarthy, who is hoping to become the speaker of the house, obviously it was a short-lived venture. but about his trip to mar-a-lago. and this book talks about liz cheney's question to him, as to why he was in this picture, why he went down there. here is the picture we are talking about, what did she say? >> so first of all, when she saw that picture, she thought it was a fake, she couldn't believe it. this is just three weeks after january 6th, and he secretly goes down to mar-a-lago. and when he comes back, she confronts him. and this is the conversation that they have. cheney says, sorry. let me get it here. mar-a-lago, what the heck, kevin? kevin mccarthy says, they're really worried. trump's not eating. so they asked me to come to see him. >> cheney, what, you went to mar-a-lago because trump's not eating? mccarthy, yes, he is really depressed. >> seriously, jamie? i mean, we really can't script this. if this was an actual show, it would have jumped the shark, as they say, a long time ago. let me bring in here for a second, though to think about these moments, i want to bring in the former congressman kinzinger, who lived this and saw this. is that seriously what his motivation was for going down to mar-a-lago? >> no, no. he was going because in the three weeks between january 6th when for 15 minutes, the republicans all said the right thing, they condemned the january 6th attack. they said trump was responsible. all of the sudden, kevin mccarthy can't raise money anymore. kevin mccarthy wants to be speaker of the house. and i'm sure, congressman kinzinger and can speak to this much better than i do. but, he goes running back to trump, because he thinks he needs trump's help to get money, and to become speaker. >> congressman kinzinger, let me bring you here. because you have to wonder knowing that we've all seen how this all played out as him being the speaker of the house, was that photograph in those moments actually worth it? but you lived with this, both on january six. and of course you worked on the committee. when you are hearing all of this from this soon to be released book by your fellow congresswoman and member of that same committee, what is your reaction? >> i mean, it's zero surprise on any of this. like, so you asked me was it worth it? look if you have, no and how do i say this, if you have no moral center, and your whole goal is just to attain some kind of a position, which is kevin mccarthy. then yet, it was worth a, because he became speaker. he will forever be known as speaker kevin mccarthy. now, was it worth it for the country? was it worth it for the cost to your own personal soul, i guess? i don't think so. because look, it's funny because as jamie is talking about him saying, he's not eating. first of all, the idea of kevin going down there and feeding donald trump, is just it blows me away. [laughter] >> i'm too visual for that, please, i'm too visual for that image right now. i can't, go ahead. >> but secondly, so i know kevin well, and i can hear him saying that. because what kevin does every time he talks to you, he takes your side. so when liz calls him, he thinks it's going to be good to say, like he's depressed and not eating, to liz, like liz is gonna care. and then to me it was basically well you know, he's. i was down there fundraising, and they invited me over. you're not going to say no to the former president. and i'm sure when some of the freedom club members called he's like, yeah, because i'm all in on donald trump. i mean, there is no court to him. the reality, is i think if the speakers race had been four years away, you would have seen kevin mccarthy do something different. because he could have thought about and said over four years, i may be able to take on this trump base, it kind of get the part car-t the party back to cornyn quote, normal. instead, and he is right, he could not have done that in two years. so we had to make a decision, for the country, or for the title of speaker. but i've got to tell, you history will judge that kevin mccarthy, i have said this since the day it happened. kevin mccarthy is the guy, the guy that resurrected donald trump. >> wow i mean, look you and liz cheney. i mean, you both want to turn the party towards a different future. likely for that very reason. and the resurrection, so to speak of what, was the name of one of the members in the book, the orange jesus i think it was. we are seeing some high donors trying to do the same thing, with the koch brothers obviously now they are backing nikki haley, and not trump. and not dissent as either. we will talk about more in my next segment. but, do you think this is influx of cash, two different candidates, will make a difference and maybe suppress that so-called resurrection? >> well look, it always makes a difference, because again, anything is just momentum. so giving people permission right now. and this is what's weird, when you have almost the cult structure that exist in the gop around donald trump. because listen, liz has stories about hearing he will say something different. i have people come up to me on the floor all the time and tell me thank you for doing the january six committee stuff. and then saying, well i can't do, because of my district. i'm like, have you seen my district. >> so all of these things give people a permission structure to walk away. and we are kind of at that point. i mean, trump's got to lose a lot to lose the primary. and let's be clear, so i think probably smart money is on donald trump getting. it but you look at nikki haley, you look at chris christie surging in new hampshire. i think there is a possibility, especially if donald trump ends of going to trial in the spring, that it's somebody else. but again, if i was in vegas playing vegas odds, i probably wouldn't put any money on that. >> well i mean jamie, the coke team has what, 70 million dollar war chests. i don't know about smart money, but a lot of money comes into this. but i want to ask you about the name in the title the book. it's called oath and honor. and i am going to steal us, we are not taking aback, sorry about that. it is a memoir, and a warning. and don't spoil it for me, or the audience. but, what is the nature of the warning? >> look i think this is, liz cheney has said that donald trump is the most dangerous person to have ever been in the oval office. and she concludes the book, and i am not giving it away, there is more. but really with this chilling warning. and that is that if he is allowed to be president again, the checks and balances of our country will not hold this time, that there will not be any guardrails. and it's really a call to action, not just for republicans, but democrats, independents, and republicans, to come together and make sure he is never president again. >> well i'm gonna flip through the pages and figuring out. adam kinzinger, jimmy jingle, to see if there's an announcement from the former congressman liz cheney. i'm not seeing it's in, there but i am curious to see if maybe she has somebody else in line for it to run, and if it has her own last name. thank you, both of you for joining me tonight. and now as i mentioned, new signs that influential republicans are putting their money where their mouths are, when looking for possible alternatives to trump. and nikki haley, getting a huge endorsement from the key republican group today. jonathan carl joins me next. money money money, it's what every presidential candidate wants. shout out to abba, by the way. and one of that is getting here, just in time for christmas, and the stretch run to the early voting states. nikki haley, today picking up one of the most significant endorsements of the campaign so far. the koch backed americans for prosperity announced today, that is going to support haley 's bid to stop donald trump. >> joining me now, abc's chief washington correspondent jonathan carl. he is the author of the new york times bestseller, tired of winning, donald trump in the end of the grand old party. jonathan carl, so nice to see you tonight, thanks for stopping by. there is a lot to talk about with you, in particular. but let's begin with this soundbite i have, because you've got to hear this snippet from americans for prosperity. that of course is the koch -backed group, that is now endorsing one nikki haley. listen >> joe biden and donald trump had their chance. they can't fix what's broken. america, with the right leaders, we faced adversity, and risen to victory. now, it's our time to turn the page, and choose a new leader. nikki haley, a true fiscal conservative, a positive vision for the future. >> all set aside of course the obvious goonie's comparisons with it's our time. i use it myself in college for a campaign i was running at that point. but that's the message right now. they had their time, both the candidates are essentially relics. will this be persuasive to this new set of voters? >> well, i don't know. but there is a significant thing here happening. americans for prosperity, which is charles koch's group, it's the koch network, has a lot of money behind it. as of june of this year, it's the most recent numbers they had raised $70 million. you could be sure it's an order of magnitude greater than that. and they are now saying that they will spend heavily to defeat donald trump, in the republican primary. they are backing nikki haley, as they believe having the best chance. but they have said that they are doing this, because they have done extensive research in near the early primary states. and they believe that there is a significant chunk, a majority of the republican primary electorate, that is either open to, or wants an alternative to donald trump. now, it doesn't look that way when you look at the polls. he's got this huge lead. but his lead in is less in those early primary states. and we will see what happens. now they are going to go, in not just advertising, but they've got a grassroots network. and we will see how it plays out. remember, the kochs did not engage in 2016, or any other presidential primary. this is the first time that they have done this. >> why would this effort be different, do you think? >> well they stayed out of it. you know, i had an interview with charles koch, as the primaries were wrapping up the. trump had essentially clinched, it was before the convention, he hadn't totally question. but, he had essentially clench. it i went out to wichita. you know, he almost never does interviews. and, he told me during that interview, that the choice between trump and hillary clinton, he might well vote for hillary clinton, that's how much he said he despised donald trump. but, they waited until way too late to even express that viewpoint, and they never spent any money against him. so now, they claim to be free marketers. they did this now, because they believe they are not throwing their money away. they believe it can make a difference. that's the judgment they have made. again, there's not a lot of empirical evidence out there right now, that trump is beatable in the republican primary. but laura, you and i have followed these races, before. iowa and new hampshire have a tendency to surprise. i think it's, it was a big mistake in 2016 to think trump couldn't win. obviously, i think it may be a mistake now to think maybe there is no way he could lose a republican primary. >> but iowa of course in particular. i mean, you've got someone named for governor ron desantis, who thought that he would be a shoe in their. he's got endorsements out of iowa in particular, he has been really invested in trying to get the support, and be able to be a strong contender. so, with this endorsement of nikki haley, instead of i might add governor ron desantis, is this kind of the death nail for his campaign? >> i mean, it certainly doesn't help. and ron desantis's campaign has been a slow spiral down. i, mean if you go back to polls have a year ago, december of 2022, january of 2023, ron desantis was actually leading in the national polls, leading. he had a significant lead, there was a wall street journal poll in december of 2022, that ron desantis with a newly 20 point lead over donald trump. so he's been kind of spiraling down for some time. >> there is one person who definitely will not be a part of this race, his name is the former vice president, mike pence. and you and your colleagues broke some very significant reporting today, about what mike pence told the special counsel investigators. the source is, the former vice president describing the attorneys that were around trump as, in their words, cranks. and, they pushed the country towards what they called a constitutional crisis, that he is sure that trump had no evidence of stolen votes. how significant is all of that, given that you've got jack smith, and the special counsel hot on a trail? >> well and also, this is almost certainly going to be the first actual trial. you know, the trial date in this federal election interference case is set for early march. it shows that first of all, pence has put all of the cards on the table, in sworn testimony, before jack smith. and, that he will do that in a public trial, he will be on the witness stand. >> you think so? >> much of this. >> i think so, i mean much of this he has said. but there were a couple of things that were new in here. and, one of them is you know, they have his contemporaneous notes. he took notes throughout this period, they got those notes from the national archives. they questioned, according to our sources, they questioned pence about a particular set of notes, where pence in late december wrote that he had decided not to preside over the electoral count on january 6th. too many questions, too many issues, i don't want to hurt my friend. these are notes that pence wrote to himself. obviously, he ultimately changed his mind, and presided over january 6th, but it's a window into the intense pressure that he was under, that he was actually thinking of skipping it. i mean laura, the vice presidents have been presiding over the electoral count since thomas jefferson did it in 1801. there have been a couple of occasions where they didn't. but it's extremely rare. and, he was under so much pressure, that he was thinking of just turning it over to chuck grassley, and not doing it. >> jonathan carl, thank you so much, nice talking to you. >> thank you laura, great talking to you. >> and there's new defiance tonight from the battle of republican congressman george santos. i will speak with a house democrat, who just filed a motion to expel him. that's next. first time i connected with kim, she told me that her husband had passed. and that he took care of all of the internet connected devices in the home. i told her, “i'm here to take care of you.” connecting with kim... made me reconnect with my mom. it's very important to keep loved ones close. we know that creating memories with loved ones brings so much joy to your life. a family trip to the team usa training facility. i don't know how to thank you. i'm here to thank you. a house divided, as republicans try to solve their george santos problem. tonight, the house speaker encourage the embattled congressman to consider resigning, instead of forcing his colleagues to vote on a resolution to expel him. -- was filed today by democratic congressman robert garcia of california, and he will join me in just a moment. but not everyone is in support of ousting santos. tonight, gop congressman cory mills, telling cnn that he is against expulsion, calling it a slippery slope, without due process. >> joining me now is democratic congressman robert garcia. congressman, thank you so much for joining me this evening. what a night. i mean, the house now has two days to take up and vote on your motion. do you have enough republican votes? >> i mean, i think we really do. i think that republicans and democrats are united on ensuring that we restore integrity to the house. when we filed this resolution almost nine months ago, when republicans decided to save santos then, they made the decision to have this ethics investigation, and send us a committee. that investigation is done, he is clearly violating so much of his oath, and still has to face of course a -- 32 counts. we are going to expel him this, week and it is time for the chance to go, and time to focus on the case that he has in the future. >> you know, you mentioned the idea of the republicans saving him before. they would tell you that they didn't want to support it because of a potential slippery slope, with the idea of expulsion, without due process, or a conviction. now of course, you do have that receipt laden ethics report. is that going to be enough, do you think, to push those who are otherwise skeptical of getting them over the edge to say, enough is enough? >> well look, he has defrauded taxpayers, he has defrauded his campaign donors, he has lied on his forms, he has fabricated his entire life story. he has taken donations and spent them, four -- and botox. and sophora. if you can't expel a member of congress for the crimes, and the dishonesty that he has done, what do you even have an expulsion process for? and so, it is time for george santos to be expelled from this body. i think we can have a united democratic caucus on board. and i think you're going to have a vast group of republicans, hopefully a majority, also with the expulsion. and i will say this also. the speaker, our new speaker mike johnson, should come out and strongly support this expulsion. it is time for them to do the right thing. >> he recently said it remains to be seen whether that will happen this week. but george santos, the congress then at least for now, is going after this report. he is calling it slanderous, he also by the way went after his own house colleagues, listen to what he had to say. >> they all act like they are on ivory towers, with white pointy hats, and they are untouchable. i mean, within the ranks of the united states congress, there's felons galore, there is people with all sorts of shy stevie backgrounds, and all of the sudden, george santos is the merrimack dylan of the united states congress. i am not running for reelection, not because this was a damning report. i'm not running for reelection because i don't want to work with a bunch of hypocrites. it's gross. i had colleagues who are more worried about getting trump trunk every, night with the next lobbyists -- and pretend like none of us know what's going on, and sell off the american people. not show up to vote because they are too hung over, or whatever the reason is. >> i mean on the one hand, his reason for saying he is not up for reelection might seem very convenient. on the other hand, he is internet-ing a lot of different details. do you read his comments to think that he might be exposing the allegations he seems to be saying now? >> i mean look, he is obviously talking about himself as well. i mean, this is someone that has done nothing but lie to everyone, fabricate's entire life story. and so, george santos is not in reality right now. he has got to be serious, and take this moment seriously, and focus on what actually is happening to him. he is going to be expelled from the u.s. house, and he has a very serious 32 count indictment, and criminal case in front of, where he should put all of his energy. if he was doing the right thing, he would resign tonight. george santos should resign tonight, he should apologize to the american people, he should apologize to his constituents. and he doesn't do so, he is going to get expelled this week. >> and will a democrat take his seat? >> i mean, we will see. but i mean surely i hope. so i think obviously that is a seat by the way, that is democratic leanings. so there will be an election, there we will see what happens out of that. the important thing is to focus right now on santos, in all of his lies, and the ethics report that has come out against him. >> we will see what happens. democratic congressman robert garcia of california, thank you so much. >> t thank you.. >> well, h hunter r biden, teleg house repupublicans hehe will answer q questions i in their lg rurunning invevestigation n of s behavioror. bubut, there i is a catch.h. i'llll tell you u what it isis,. well, the president son, who was part of a significant investigation led by republicans in the house oversight committee, says that he is willing to testify up on capitol hill, and answer all the lawmakers questions, potentially. but, he has just one stipulation, it must be public, and not behind closed doors. jamele -- is the former associate white house counsel for president george w. bush, and the founder of the national security institute at george mason university. -- that's quite a caveat. when -- because i'm sure he wants to have it out in the open so no one can soar twist what he says, and tell their own version in front of some podium. >> i mean yeah look, this is a hard one, because house republicans are saying this is an investigation, we get a deposition, get to hear what you say first. and -- when you're about to, say i'll do it in -- let's double down. >> well, they are saying they don't want this to happen, right, there house republicans say no, we want this pine closed-door. this might be counterintuitive to a lot of people, you say you want -- fine, here he is. what would be the reason they want to say, let's first have it from behind closed doors, and then you can talk openly. >> right, and by the way not got you on the record if you say anything different, i can peachy with the deposition about him. frenemies downturn a vest again, not typical. hunter biden making a smart political move and saying, hey you want to hear from me. let's do it in public, let the american people touch. now having a banner given what we know nevada may not be the best witness for himself, kind of like donald trump. maybe they should cause lap and say all right let's do it easier to. gets >> the game of chicken in a way, right when you saying that's not unlike what happens in litigation, you've got a deposition, then the trial of about a grand jury, behind closed doors and then he open trial for the impeachment. but do you really think that he is like a donald trump, and that he would be his own worst enemy? trump can't be contained in many ways, and wants to be the person to advocate. hunter biden knows perhaps he is a shorter leach maybe? >> maybe this is also guy we've got on video doing also stuck raising things, using all sorts of drops. he is clearly not in a good place. and so, republicans might say hey look let's take our chances bring in front of the merica public, asking hard questions. see all this thing goes. it's a virus play. maybe one they go far. >> really high risk play, he is someone who has talked about his battle with addiction, but in o terms are we aware that he is currently somebody who is using, that is actually the part of the topic. and the nature of the most recent charges about checking a box and being a gun owner, so i wonder if that will actually be played. that might be why though he is so vocal and saying i am calling your bluff, you want to hear from me bring it on. >> i'm clean and sober let's have it. i wonder what will ultimately cake place here, washington d.c. sometimes it just can't take yes for an answer. >> she meal jaffer thank you so much, and just into cnn there is new reporting that officials in doha are in consensus that they want to work to extend the current pause in the israel-hamas war, to get more hostages out of gaza. we will have more on that, next. >> >>