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tonight on 360, more hostages come out of gaza, with another group expected tomorrow, and talks underway to extend the truce, and the flow of captives, for as long as possible. also tonight, liz cheney's new book and the revelations in about the former president, which he calls his republican enablers and collaborators, and how she says they just could not quit him. and later, why republican hopeful nikki haley is that much more hopeful tonight. the surprising early big name and big money endorsement she just got. and, how it might change her campaign. good evening, thank you for joining us. we begin tonight with the hostages. hamas freed 12 more today, under the terms of a truce, which has now run five days. it expires tomorrow, after we expect a -- hostage comes out. this is new video taken from inside of gaza, of the handover from the afp news agency. you see crowds cheering, some shouting allah akbar - god is great, as the latest freed hostages are paraded past them, on the way to the red cross vehicles. it's a sharp difference from last night's version, which took place in a dark and empty street. two thai nationals are in this latest group, the other ten are his release. in all, -- that it took so far. but still, only a single american, four year old abigail -- , on sunday. two other american women, expected to be released by now are still being held. israel, for its part, releasing 180 palestinian prisoners. cia director bill burns arrived today in doha, qatar, after meetings with officials there, including, a source tells us, his adoptions and israeli counterparts. another source familiar with the trip tells cnn, that discussions are part of a push for a broader hostage deal, expanding beyond the current women and children. in the meantime, truth >> reporter: -- israeli military operations continue in the west bank. tonight saw clashes in jenin, with fighting near a local refugee camp. the idf telling us is conducting, quote, counterterrorism activities in the area, but not providing any other details, except to say it's expected to continue overnight. oren liebermann joins us now. what do we know about the hostages released, and their conditions? >> anderson, this played out as it has, over the course of the past several nights. over several, hours the hostages being transferred from hamas to the red cross, to the idf and into the hospitals. eight of, them taking to the chief of medical center, -- both of those in or near tel aviv. and then the two thai nationals, taken to -- medical center. we do expect an update early tomorrow morning here, from shifa medical center, where most of those freed hostages have been taken. so, far as we have heard from the doctors and the families, they have been generally speaking, in good physical condition, malnutrition has been the biggest issue, but we don't have a specific update o n the latest you to come out yet. it is worth passing along to updates, with two specific stories we have followed to this point. four-year-old -- , as you just pointed out, the only american to have been released so far, is in good shape, and was released from the hospital two days after she was released from hamas captivity in gaza. so, that is certainly good news on that front. as now the mental health process begins, in that recovery part. meanwhile, -- who was taken into the hospital in critical condition, suffering from the lack of her medication, and a lack of nutrition over her 50 odd days in captivity, she was unconscious for a period, and on a breathing machine. doctors at the hospital where she was taken in be'er-sheva, say she is breathing on her own now, and is conscious. and so that too is good news, as we wait for the next hostage transfer to take place tomorrow. >> there were clashes reported between israel and hamas in northern gaza today. does that have any impact on the pause in the hostage negotiations? >> so far at this point, it looks like a truce agreement is holding, and should, for at least a another 24 hours. and we will have to see if the effort to keep it going is successful or not. but it is worth noting that this was no serious violation of the truce agreement to this point. the idf said there were three explosive devices planted near their troops, and they were fired on upon and fired back. hamas blamed israel, however, for starting the skirmishes. regardless of which narrative there is correct, and we are not on the ground in gaza, we can't see it for ourselves, it is clear that it is the most serious violation of the truce. and yet, it held. the qataris said at the very beginning that if there was a violation of the truce and pause in the fighting, they would immediately communicate with both sides to get them to try to walk back from the edge. it seems that has happened, the truce has not fallen apart, at least not yet i should say. and now we look forward to see how it plays out, tomorrow, and if the diplomatic efforts are successful, to extend it, to keep the humanitarian aid going in, to get more israeli hostages out, and you free more palestinian prisoner stare. >> oren liebermann, thanks very much. >> as difficult as it must be to know that a loved one is being held by hamas, it can't be any easier learning, as some hostage families now have, that their loved ones are in other hands, held by other groups, splinters or groups of people we don't even know about. when october 7th, -- cousin cherie, -- and their two young sons erielle and -- ages four and ten months, or taken. israeli officials now say that hamas is not holding them, another group is. i spoke -- with back in october, you may remember. >> i want my family back. i want my family back [crying] i'm trying to be strong and stoic, and speak clearly but, i'm devastated. [crying] i'm devastated. >> that was -- in october. at the time, 12 days into her and her family's nightmare, we spoke again earlier tonight. >>yifat, first of all, how are you in the family holding up? >> it's very emotional and stressful days. the little hope that we have gives us the strength to carry on, and claiming, and asking for the freedom of our family. >> have you received any calls tonight indicating whether or not -- in the family are on the list of hostages to be released tomorrow? still >> not yet know,. it's almost 12:00 at night here in israel's, and the list hasn't arrived yet. >> as you know, the idf said that your family are not being held by hamas, that -- and the kids are not being held by hamas. do you know who is holding them? >> i think, in english we say the popular front, or the public front's. in hebrew we call them -- [speaking in a non-english language] it's a smaller organization, basically, they under the ruling of hamas. hamas led them in 2007, after they took over the strip. , israel left gaza. they allowed the people to let sort of recognize themselves with that group, to stay, with the agreement that they were sort of underneath the control of hamas. >> so i mean, i know the israeli government has said hamas is responsible, hamas is the one responsible for all of the hostages. you view it that way as well? >> what we know there was a lot of chaos inside gaza, when the hostages arrived. it also was said on the news that they weren't expecting the success of kidnapping so many people. and, the hostages moved around, probably, and moved through different hands. we know some of them were held by jihad as well, in gaza. so, this is the information that we have. but i can tell you that hamas is controlling all of those groups. hamas has the power in the intelligence, and they know where everyone is. this is my belief, and it's not something the idf is telling me, it's just being israeli, and being in our situation here in the middle east. >> was the news yesterday that they are being held by the popular front, another group. was that the first confirmation you had received that they are alive, or previously had you received confirmation? >> for me it's not a confirmation of them being alive. for me, it was some sort of, maybe an excuse, or a way of hamas getting the leverage, and getting another day of a pause. and, i don't know if they're alive. maybe one of the reasons that they didn't come back yet in this agreement, that says that all women and children, all 50 of them will be released, it's because they are afraid that the youngest hostage is no longer alive. that's a possibility as well. which, breaks my heart of course. >> i mean this is what is so sick about what is happening, for you and for all of the families, is that these groups. i mean hamas, these other groups, nobody has given proof of life for all of the hostages. so families are left not only with the pain of the likelihood that their loved one is being held captive in gaza, but no confirmation of that. so there's just this, this zone of not knowing. you have no information, you have no idea. it's intolerable, it's sick. >> 53 days of not knowing, nothing about -- them -- i -- . nothing, nothing. even the hostages that were released, no one saw them. nothing. it's, i don't know if a nightmare is even the best way to describe the situation that we are living. >> is there anything else you want people to know? >>that there is a ten months, almost 11 month baby that is still being held captive, for two months now, in gaza. that his life is at risk. that no child should be a pawn or held as leverage, or as a strategic tool. and i, hopefully this will all be over soon. and -- somehow we canrepair our shattered, completely shattered life here. >> thank you for your time >> thank you anderson. >> perspective now on where this truce might lead, and what might happen if and when hostilities come to a longer turn end. joining us for -- that thomas friedman, and three-time pulitzer prize winning journals, he's also the bestselling of four of -- titles from beirut to jerusalem. so tom i mean, after this mass bombardment, weeks of fighting, hamas is still in control in gaza, still able to be organized enough to hand over hostages they have taken. what does that tell you about the reality of israel achieving its stated goal of destroying hamas? >> well obviously, it's incomplete, anderson. and, i think some very big decisions are going to have to be made by israel, if the hostage exchange expires. it sounds like bill burns, our ca director, and his colleagues in qatar, are really looking for a way to buy more time, and get many more hostages released, in return for palestinians in israeli prisons. and there's been a lot of talk, anderson, about are you for the cease-fire or not for the cease-fire. i'm hoping in the next few days, that really morphs into a different discussion. are you for an end to this? not just a cease-fire, because you've got almost 2 million palestinians in gaza, basically uprooted in a humanitarian crisis. it's just unimaginable for me, that israel will be able to restart this war, and go after -- and take care of those people in a humanitarian way. i think we really need to be talking about a conclusion. maybe israel says look, here is a free pass for all of the hamas leadership, go to turkey, go to qatar, whoever wants to leave, turn in your weapons, return the hostages, we will give the palestinian prisoners a release. i think we have to really get out of this cease-fire or no cease fire, and think about something that gets hamas leadership out there, puts in a new palestinian leadership, and partnership with arab countries, and gets reconstruction going in the world bank. i just cannot imagine this going on for more months. and i can't imagine the united states and president biden, being able to tolerate that politically. >> why would hamas's leadership agreed to that? i mean, a lot of them are held up in nice hotels in doha, and even the ones in gaza, i mean they are the ones who perpetrated this terror attack on october 7th. what's in it for them, in that, beyond their personal survival? >> yeah, i would just, what's in it for them is obviously the survival of so many people in gaza, so many palestinians who they claim to represent. we know that they don't really care about them, they never would have started this war. >> isn't having civilians killed sort of part of the plan? yeah that may be. but i think that they are in a position now where are they have visited so much destruction on their people, for now so little. i think they have to in their own minds be thinking about, how do we show something for this. if they can pull off a giant release of all 6000 palestinian prisoners in israeli jails for the hostages, a kind of all for all, at least they would have something to show for that terrible destruction that they have invited on their populations. so i've a feeling they have to be thinking about a lot of this. this cease-fire wouldn't have lasted this long, anderson, if all they were doing which is getting ready for the next round. who knows, maybe they are. i don't claim to have any particular insight. but, it just feels like the chemistry around this story is changing. and i think as we approach the end of this cease-fire, and we contemplate a resumption of this war, with the terrible human costs that would be, with the uncertainty of victory for israel, i think there is going to be some fresh thinking here. i, actually hope there will be. >> yeah, i don't understand how israel goes into as you said, -- and into the south, where hundreds of thousands of people have been told to go. i mean, where do, i talked to some weeks, going the sea while they can go towards the sea. i mean, there's not a lot of places to go. you've advocated in the past and columns, that -- with a new commitment to a two-state solution, in the palestinians in the west bank and gaza, who seek peace with israel. have you seen any interest by israeli authorities in that? >> well the current prime minister's, prime minister netanyahu, has rejected the idea, because his far-right members of his coalition, the furthest right, refused to contemplate any kind of cooperation with the palestinian authority. but, i think this is going to come back very soon, because if there is no palestinian leadership, or partnership in a transition in gaza, and then you are talking about israel, a country of 7 million jews, controlling 3 million palestinians in the west bank, and to millions in the west bank. that's -- i think you are going to see some fresh thinking on that as well. and, it may have to be initiated by president biden. but, when i think of what could happen next, anderson, the idea that israel would resume the full scale war against hamas, admits close to 2 million people already up rooted, i just can't see that happening for any length of time. and therefore, i hope there will be some real talk, not just about cease-fire or no cease-fire, how do we end this in a way that produces a different government in gaza? because israel is not going to live next to hamas anymore, and the people of gaza shouldn't have to live under hamas anymore. >> thomas friedman, thank you, appreciate it. next, a cnn exclusive. when a nine-year-old girl went through in captivity, and what life had looks like for her, now that she's free, finally. later, when the most influential campaign organizations in its decision to back nikki haley for president, and not the front runner, the former president. 81 hostages have been freed over the last five days. people from some of the very youngest, and the very oldest, whose lives change on october 7th, and whose future filled with challenges which are impossible to even imagine. emily hand turned nine in captivity. saturday, she and her friend -- were released, and emily was reunited with her dad, who initially thought she had been killed. -- cnn's clarissa ward has exclusive reporting tonight on what she went through, and the new life that is just beginning for her and her dad. clarissa i spoke with him, you may remember, when he believed emily had been murdered, only to learn later his daughter was alive. >> [inaudible] and all of the sudden, the door opened up, and she just ran. it was, just like, just like i imagined it. running together. i squeezed, i probably squeezed too hard. >> it was a moment thomas hand thought would never come. told his nine-year-old daughter, emily, had been killed in the october 7th attacks, and then that she was believed to be held hostage in gaza. finally, reunited with her family after 50 days in captivity, freed but visibly haunted by her ordeal. >> certainly when she stepped back a little, i could see her face was chiseled, like mine, when before she left it was chubby, girly, young kid. i, -- the most shocking disturbing part of meeting her was, she was just whispering, i couldn't hear her. [whispering] i had to put my ear on her lips, like this close, and say, what did you say? [whispering] i thought you were kidnapped. >> she said, i thought you were kidnapped? >> she thought i was in captivity. >> and what has she told you about what she's gone through? >> i thought she was in the tunnels, but she wasn't in the tunnels, they were actually fleeing from house to house, where i don't -- she said the -- , of the box. so you had to say like, how long were you in the box. when she said, a year. and, apart from the whispering, that was like a punch in the gut. >> there is that one photograph, right after your reunion, and your holding her, and there is this sort of seriousness to her facial expression. >> yeah, she's almost staring isn't she? well a little bit of a disconnect, with everything going on around her. >> has she cried? >> yeah, yeah. last night, she cried until her face was red and blotchy, and she -- she didn't want any comfort. i guess she's forgotten how to be comforted. i just had to wait until she could be by herself. and, she knows how to do that, she's very determined little girl, very strong. i knew that her spirit would get her through that. >> there have been glimpses of the old emily. her first request, to listen to beyoncé, played with the family dog. but many moments of pain, like when thomas was forced to break the news to her, that his ex-wife -- , had been killed. >> does emily understand what happened on october 7th? >> yeah, yeah, unfortunately she does. we how do you tell her, your second mom is dead, killed, shot? when we got back to the hospital, i said to the psychiatrist, what should i do? she said, you just got to tell her straight, it's the best way. okay, but yeah, that was very hard, because we told her. and, her little eyes glazed open and she just went -- , what like a sharp intake of breath, a terrible thing to tell a child. but and, they recommend that you have to close the book. it sounds cruel, but you have to stop their hope. we've got to stop that [crying] i have to be final, -- is dead. >> and so, what is the next step now? how long do you stay here, how do you start a new life? >> the future is obviously to get emily back to health. and we will do that along the way. but, the next thing is along the way, we have to get older children, obviously, all older women, older men, all the hostages have to come back, they have to be brought back. >> with clarissa joins us now from tel aviv. i mean, what just a nightmare they had been through. did emily hand's father talk more about what the conditions were like for her in gaza? >> so, basically he doesn't really know the full picture yet, because emily has really struggled, literally to speak, in terms of speaking still in whispers. her voice is getting stronger, but it is still very faint. and, i think she is frightened, frankly, to re-live or really think about or process what she's been through. and he said that he has spoken to psychiatrists, who say that listen, you have to wait, you have to let her do it in her own time. but certainly, it's a different picture to what he expected. she was not being held underground in these tunnels, she was being held in houses, she was moved from house to house, as the fighting and the bombardment would get near. one small mercy, anderson, was that she was held with her close friends -- and mother -- . and -- apparently treated emily like her own daughter. and then the heartbreak was that two days before their scheduled release, all of the sudden, and inexplicably, -- was separated from hilla , and emily. and, that's very much a focus and preoccupation now for thomas and his family, is to campaign to try to get raya out. because hilla has of course been released, but without her mother, anderson. >> it's just so sickening. and i mean, the other thing that i just keep coming back to is, all these families who haven't gotten any word of their loved ones. i mean, it's not as of hamas and these other groups have put out a list of everybody they are holding. soaked, families are just, they have no idea really where their loved one is, if they're being held at all? >> they have no idea. they are in that sort of sickening, holding pattern that thomas himself was in for a while. and i think on the one hand, they look at emily's case, and they feel heartened, because she is physically in reasonably good shape. she is not sick, she did not describe being abused. she said that there were activities that they were able to do during the day, like playing cards and drawing. they had to be activities that were very, very quiet activities. so on the one hand, i think some of these other families draw strength, when they see this. and of course, when they see the joy of the family being re-united. but there's also an awareness, not only that their loved ones has not been released yet, but even when those loved ones may be released, it is a very long road ahead to recovery, especially for those youngest hostages, who really do not have the emotional vocabulary to process a lot of this. although, ironically, the psychiatry say they have the best chance to be most successful to moving past, because they are resilient, anderson. >> and there are still hostages who have been wounded like -- , that we haven't heard about. it's just, it's sickening. clarissa ward, thank you. coming up, a behind the scenes account of republicans enabling the former president in the aftermath of the 2020 election, in the lead up to the capitol attack. cnn has exclusively obtained a copy of former republican congressman woman liz cheney's new, oath and honor. details, next. the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. tonight, cnn has exclusively obtained a firsthand account of the behind the scenes efforts to overturn the 2020 election. and, a detailed description of the insurrection from the inside of congress. it's laid out in former publican congresswoman liz cheney's new book, oath and honor. cnn -- 's got the book ahead of its release next week she, joins us now. so what's it like? what are we learning? >> so anderson, liz cheney paints just a scathing portrait of the republican party, of her former colleagues party leaders. for supporting trump and his election lies. she says, quote, donald trump cannot succeed alone. and then she goes on to criticize their loyalty to trump. here is part of the book. she writes, elected officials who believe their own political survival is more important than anything al's, threaten the survival of our republic, no matter what they tell themselves to justify their cowardice. she also calls it that the republican party has become the anti constitution party. the book draws from text messages, emails, calls, meetings, as well as personal conversations that we are learning about for the first time. liz cheney names names, and she has the receipts, anderson. >> there was really no lost love for kevin mccarthy on her part, what did she say about that infamous took trip that he took to mar-a-lago, to kiss the ring of the former president? >> right, she doesn't pull any punches. cheney accuses kevin mccarthy of repeatedly lying, and choosing, quote, the craven path of embracing trump. and, it's interesting. she says when she first saw that now infamous photo of trump and mccarthy shaking hands, she thought it was a fake. and then, she reveals that she confronts mccarthy, and this is his defense for making the trip. she writes, cheney says to mccarthy, mar-a-lago, what the -- kevin? mccarthy, they're really worried, trump's not eating. so they asked me to come to see him. cheney, what? you went to mar-a-lago, because trump's not eating? mccarthy, yeah, he's really depressed. anderson. >> wow. >> yeah. i don't, i don't know what to say. a spokesman for kevin mccarthy, kevin mccarthy did not respond personally, but his spokesman put out a statement saying, quote, for cheney first it was trump derangement syndrome, and now apparently it's also mccarthy derangement syndrome. i think it's worth noting that kevin mccarthy, his spokesman does not deny any of the quotes we've reported from cheney's book. so, he's standing by this defense that he went there because trump wasn't eating. >> what does cheney say about the new house speaker, mike johnson? >> so this is interesting, because cheney actually wrote the book before johnson became speaker. but, she included him in the book, because he was playing such a large role. according to cheney, johnson was pressuring republican members, especially freshman, to support trump. and that he just was playing this critical role behind the scenes, to try to help trump overturn the election results. and she writes, quote, when i confronted him with the flaws in his legal argument, johnson would often concede, or say something to the effect of, we just need to do this one last thing for trump. so, the book is filled with revelations about hypocritical comments, public versus private. there is a lot about her unlikely alliance with nancy pelosi that's fascinating. and, i just want to tell you about one extraordinary scene, which is on january 6th, in the republican cloakroom. where republican congressman marc greene of tennessee, he's signing his name to these objections, these electoral vote objections sheets. and she hears him. she writes quote, as he moved down the line, signing his name to the pieces of paper, greene said she -- to no one in particular, or the things we do for the orange jesus. anderson? >> wow. jamie gangel, thanks very much.. >> thank you. >> again, liz cheney's new book, oath and honor, will be released next tuesday, december 5th. she was only here on three 60 that night. up next, the surge in nikki haley picks up a new endorsement, that comes after millions of dollars and ad spending. we'll be right back. just under several weeks off in the iowa caucuses. and today, presidential candidate nikki haley landed a major backer that could -- on what, for many republican hopefuls, is a very big endorsement. >> nikki haley, on the move tonight, hoping to capitalize on a golden endorsement, in the republican presidential race. >> trump is pretty much even with biden. on a good day, he might be two points up. in every poll, we beat biden by 10 to 13 points. >> one of the nation's most powerful conservative grassroots organizations, financed by billionaire charles koch, has crowned haley as its choice to try to dethrone donald trump, as the overwhelming republican front runner, and unseat president biden in the white house. >> joe biden and donald trump had their chance. they can't fix what's broken. >> a question for haley is whether she will ever get the chance. and move, beyond the race for second place. today's highly coveted endorsement, from americans for prosperity action, is the latest attempt i some gop heavy hitters toured voters to coalesce around a trump alternative. the group is pledging to spend millions on television ads and more. yet, it's far from certain how many republicans are actually looking for one. >> right now, trump has my vote. >> we met -- walking into a halle rally on monday in south carolina. her rise intrigues him, and he's open to her candidacy, yet far from sold. >> i want to look at all candidates, you know, to see who is going to finally get my vote. but i am strongly leaning towards trump. >> that sentiment underscores one of haleys biggest challenges, navigating a trump tightrope, by appealing to republicans trim -- for anyone but trump, even as she worked to win over true trump believers. >> we've got to put somebody other than trump. >> helena myers told us she voted for trump twice, but believes he can't win next year. >> a vote for him is going to be a vote for biden. and, i hope that doesn't happen, and that's why i'm voting for nikki. >> yet she's hardly the only candidate. haley is locked in an increasingly bitter battle with florida governor ron desantis, particularly in iowa, where he's won several big endorsements on his own. they will face off again next week, at the fourth republican debate. >> the stage is getting smaller. when the stage gets smaller, our chances get bigger. >> the views of haley, a former u. n. ambassador, are now coming under closer view. her hawkish foreign policy stands in sharp contrast with the rising isolationist strains in her party. >> now you have d. c., saying do we support ukraine, or do we support israel? do we support israel, or do we support closing the border? don't let them tell you that, because that is a false premise. >> she also faces other potential roadblocks, including chris christie's candidacy in new hampshire. he is trying to win over some of the same independent and moderate republican voters. haley makes clear a split ticket benefits trump above all. >> we are now in second place in iowa, second place in new hampshire, and second place in south carolina. [applause] we just have one more fellow we've got to catch up to. >> now, this is an endorsement that comes with a rare army of conservative activists, particularly here in new hampshire and iowa as well. anderson, of course endorsements do not win races, candidates do, but they do build momentum, and momentum can win campaigns. it can also attract donors, that's why the haley campaign is smiling tonight. her rivals wanted this endorsement as well. >> and jeff zeleny, thanks so much. just ahead, former first lady rosalynn carter, and the memories of those who knew and loved her. former first lady rosalynn carter will be laid to rest in her family's residence. the public was allowed to say goodbye, in a series of remembrance as this week, culminating in today's tribute services at glenn memorial church at -- university in atlanta. the service was attended by her devoted husband of 77 years, the former president jimmy carter, who is currently in hospice care. also there, the president joe biden, first lady jill biden, former president clinton, and all living former first lady including melania trump. it was a moving service -- primary speakers for his family, including daughter amy who you will see read the words of her father, the former president who is unable to speak. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ my mother was the group glue that held our family together. through the ups and downs and thick and thins of our families politics. my mother, rosalynn carter, was the most beautiful woman i've ever met, and pretty to look at too. >> she was my grandmother, and she was like everyone else's grandmother in a lot of ways. almost all of her recipes call for mayonnaise, for example. [laughter] >> this is from a letter he wrote 75 years ago, while he was serving in the navy. my darling, every time i have ever been away from you, i have been thrilled when i returned, to discover just how wonderful you are. while i am away, i try to convince myself that you really are not, and could not be as sweet and beautiful as i remember. but when i see you, i fall in love with you all over again. does that seem strange to you? it doesn't to me. goodbye darling, until tomorrow, jimmy. >> so many touched by her life, and legacy. i am joined now by jill -- , she is the superintendent of the jimmy carter national historical park in plains, georgia, which includes the residence where the first lady will be right laid to rest. she is also a friend of former president and first lady carter. thank you so much for being with us. we heard, i mean just some of the lovely remembrances of mrs. carter from the memorial service. what do you want people to remember about her? >> when rosalynn entered a room you had hope. she always brought hope with her. because when you knew she was on a project, you knew it was going to get done. because, she wouldn't stop until it was done. she was just a remarkable friend, neighbor, relative. >> they moved back to planes after leaving the white house. they lived in a modest house, they socialize with friends and neighbors, they were part of the community, they went to the church, taught sunday school. why has planes been so important to them? what role has it played in their lives? >> it's home. that's where they feel comfortable. that's where they can walk down the streets and speak to people, what they are just jimmy and rosalynn here. they know that they will be treated just like anyone else. and, everybody here is just so honored and happy when they are home in plains, and this is the place that they've always returned to. >> what was she like to be around? i mean a lot of americans remember as soft spoken. what was her sense of humor like, what did she do for fun? >> she loved to fish. they were very competitive. >> they were very competitive? >> oh yeah. >> in terms of just fishing, or everything? >> mainly fishing, mainly sports, things like that. they, i was fishing with them once, and i walked over to president carter and he said, how many fishes is roseland catching? >> i said, i don't know, he said go find out. >> and so i went over, and rosalynn said, how many fishes is jimmy catching? and i said, well he's got about five or six, and she had seven or eight. so, she was thrilled. and president carter was not happy when i told him that he was being out fished. [laughter] >> she was very political herself, proudly so. she sat in on cabinet meetings when they were in the white house, she gave president carter advice on policy, and was especially productive in reducing the stigma around mental illness. how important do you think it was for her, to use her prominence in her profile to make change, even long after leaving the white house? >> she wants to help people. and, they would both, he would write every single day, they would exercise every single day, because they wanted to live as long as they possibly could, to help as many people as they possibly could. and, they did a pretty good job of it. >> and what an incredible of story. i mean, 77 years, that beautiful letter that amy read from when president carter was young and in the navy. i mean, what a model to aim for, in terms of relationships and a life. >> so, i've known them for 29 years, so i have gotten to be with my heroes for 29 years. you know, they say you shouldn't meet your hero's because they will disappoint you. i had 29 years of knowing these people, and i am more impressed with them every single day. they are just amazing folks. >> well, i am so appreciative of you spending a few moments with us tonight. i'm so sorry for your loss, and the communities loss as well. jill -- , thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back.

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