one we're all sitting at, i think that there are people in america who just don't like the american people becoming more tolerant of lgbtq people and more african-americans and women who are in charge. they're just not happy. and they are driving the trump train, and i think as the country changes, i think people are resistant to that. and the resistance to that changes and i think our politics are reflective that change and that resistance, not the politics driving that change. >> jamal, thank. alice, good to have you both. c "cnn this morning" continues now. good morning, everyone. so glad you're with us on i know this morning. here is where we begin. the israeli military is now claiming that surveillance video shows hamas bringing hostages to gaza's main hospital. this is that video. the time stamp is october 7th, the day of the terror attacks. one of the videos shows a man being rushed into al shifa hospital by force. another shows a bleeding man with a bandaged hand being pushed on a journey, and this comes as the idf accuses gaza of running a command center under the hospital. >> they took cnn to the hospital to see a tunnel shaft. they were under idf forces all time. media had to submit footage filmed in gaza to the israeli military for review. our team was not able to enter the shaft, but the idf sent special gear down to show where it leads, and you can see a spiral staircase and a long tunnel with concrete walls. the tunnel ends at a metal door. the idf says it has not opened that door yet because of fears that it may be booby trapped. meanwhile, there is a bit of growing hope that a deal with hamas to release some of the hostages could be near. sources tell cnn, a recent draft of a potential deal proposes a four to five-day pause in fighting in exchange for the initial release of 50 hostages. also new this morning, babies evacuated from that hospital in gaza, you can see them there, and they have started to arrive in egypt for much-needed urgent care. they were greeted by crowds of metal workers with those incubators. joining us now, barak ravid. you know the ins and outs of these things better than pretty much anyone. when you heard john finer from the white house saying yesterday that things are looking pretty hopeful, more than they have, does it tell you that this is going to happen? a deal for hostages? >> good morning, i think -- i don't think we should, you know, seal the deal just yet. a lot of things can happen, a lot of things can change. this hostage deal is very connected to what's going on, on the ground. and any small incident that happens on the ground can change everything. but i think that what stands behind what john finer said, is that hamas after a few days, they went underground, did not speak to the qatari mediators. over the weekend, on saturday, they reengaged in the negotiations and i think this is why there is some progress. >> do you have a sense from any of your sources -- we've heard -- people are understandably very concerned to give a timeline, but do you think there's a better sense of a timeline emerging this morning? >> i don't think so. i mean, you hear ten different versions from ten different people. and one thing i heard from several israeli officials is that they call hamas leader sinwar, the one that -- he's the lead negotiator from hamas' side, they call him a psychopath. and they say that for that reason, it's very unclear whether there will be a deal, whether we are close to a deal, whether we are getting further from a deal. it is very hard to anticipate his next move. and therefore, i think things are still open. >> what about the aid component? your reporting talks about the sticking points of getting to a deal. one of those is how many trucks of aid hamas wants to see come into gaza per day, and how many israel is allowing in, let alone what is in those aid trucks. how much is that complicating things? >> yeah, so this might sound like a mundane issue or a side issue, but it's central to this deal. hamas wants to have every day, since this deal starts and after, meaning, not after the deal is implemented, the trucks are not coming in. it wants 400 trucks of aid a day coming in from egypt. it wants another four trucks of fuel for the hospitals, and another four trucks of fuel for bakeries in gaza. this is a big deal, because, first, the rafah cross cannot really process that amount of trucks. meaning that it's not possible at this moment, meaning there's another big hurdle to this deal. >> i also want to ask you about what you wrote over the weekend, president biden stressing that the u.s. is prepared to impose sanctions on israeli settlers who attack palestinians in the west bank. what more can you tell us about that? because that obviously is going to have an impact. >> i think this is an issue that is still quite underreported. and it's very dramatic. this is something that the last time the u.s. administration did that was the clinton administration. so we're talking about more than almost 30 years. and biden decided to do it again after the trump administration, by the way, revoked, you know, decisions that were made by the clinton administration about possible sanctions on settlers who engage in violence against palestinians. and i think that this might be a first signal for a dramatic shift in the way that the biden administration is looking at settlements. not only statements, but also action. >> barak ravid always with the important reporting on this, thank you. >> thank you very much. there are deep divides in this country about how president biden is handling israel's war with hamas. and age seems to be a factor as well. cnn senior data reporter harry enten joining us this morning with this morning's numbers. so harry, when we look at the numbers, this is a major divide as we've been talking about all morning, what do they show us? >> it's not just a major divide amongst americans, it's a major divide amongst democrats. all of these numbers are amongst democrats. so biden's handling of the israeli/hamas war, look at this divide! these numbers are bonkers, frankly. if we look amongst those 18 to 34, these are democrats, keep in mind, just 24% of democrats under the age of 35 approve of his job performance on this war. compare this to democrats over the age, 65 and older. look, 77% approve. i've never seen an age gap quite like this, anything like this in politics. and this goes even fundamentally deeper. sympathies in the middle east conflict, again, democratic voters that we're looking at here, look at this, voters under the age of 35, just 16% say their sympathies lie more with the israelis. the overwhelming majority, a the age of 35, against unde democrats, 74% say their sympathies lie more with the palestinians. you jump up to those 65 and older, very different. 45% say the israelis versus just 25% say the palestinians. very big age divide. >> it also goes deeper in terms of how much the u.s. should continue to support israel. what does it tell us? >> it goes even deeper than that, poppy. let's take a look. is it in the u.s. interest, in our national interest to continue to support israel? amongst those under the ange of 35, just 40% say yes, it is, compared to 52% say, no, it isn't. you compare that to those voters 65 and older, again, democrats, 87% say it is, compared to just 7% say, no, it isn't. so perhaps it isn't surprising, should we give israel more military aid for its war versus hamas? look at this, again, amongst democrats, just 21% support it. compare that to those 65 and older, 53% support it. those under the age of 35, 77% post it. this is amongst democrats within his own party. >> so interesting. >> harry, thank you. >> so sam altman's firing from the ai company that he co-founded has shocked silicon valley. now he has a new job, we'll tell you about it this morning. the details of the board room shake up that led to his ouster. and donald trump continuing his rhetoric, picking up a key political endorsement as well during his visit to the poerd. donald trump got the endorsement of texas governor greg abbott as he visited a border town yesterday. trump's stop in texas comes as he's escalated his antiimmigrant rhetoric and campaigned on hardline campaign policy proposals. >> we will begin the largest domestic deportation operation in american history. and i will shut down this travesty, terminate all work perms for legal aliens and demand that congress send me a bill outlawing all welfare payments to illegal migrants of any kind. >> it's poisoning the blood of our country. it's so bad, and people are coming in with disease. people are cuoming in with disease. coming in with every possible thing you can have. >> joining us now, congresswoman nicole malyatakas. we just heard the former president say that illegal immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country. how does that language sit with you? >> first, let me say that it's not anti-immigrant to say you want secure borders. it's very important to make a distinction between people who are here legally and people who are following the process. by the way, we have 1.7 million individuals who have entered our country who are not the ones who applied for asylum, by the way. these are individuals who snuck in, who have gone undetected by law enforcement, by government officials, and that's important for people to know. we don't know who they are, where they are, or what their intentions are. now, among the 7 million that have come in and applied for asylum, only about half of them actually have legitimate asylum cases. that means the others are using asylum, they are abusing our system to gain access and gain entry. that's important that we make that distinction. coming through the southern border is not the proper way to be coming in the country. you should be applying from the next safe country and then you have a process. and my office, by the way, we've helped nearly 100 people become u.s. citizens who have followed the process and did everything right. but i do not support what is happening at the southern border, because it is unsafe and it is dangerous and we do see fentanyl streaming in, killing americans and we need to do something about it. >> to go back to my original question, though, when it comes to undocumented immigrants, do you agree with the former president's languages that they are, in his words, poisoning the blood of our country? are you comfortable with that language? >> i don't know about "poisoning the blood," but i will say, they are bankrupting our country. talk to mayor adams who's telling us himself that this is destroying new york. they're about to do an across-the-board cut, no more hiring of police officers. we had 6,000 police officers less than we had on september 11th and we can't hire more because he decides to put individuals in shelters and hotels and provide all these types of services that we can't afford, and quite frankly, that american citizens don't even receive. what i will say, it is a major problem. it is a major problem and we need to address it. and we need chuck schumer in the senate to pass our border security bill or pass their own bill so we can reconcile the differences. but we need to take action to secure the border. >> in terms of that action, both mayor adams and governor hochul have pushed to do away with that right to shelter act, which has been in effect for four decades. in terms of what needs to be done, former president trump over the weekend, i want to know if you would agree with some of these proposals, wants to expand what was his hardline immigration policies during his administration, large-scale arrests of undocumented immigrants, putting them in detention camps for migrants who are awaiting deportation. also talked about reinstating the travel ban from predominantly muslim countries and bringing back the covid-era policies of title 42. would you support those actions? >> well, some of them i do. title 42 in particular. we need to know if individuals are ill. i mean, even when on ellis island, people were quarantined before they were able to gain access to the country. they were not just released coming in. and you mentioned the deportation. look, we have people who are here who have committed crimes and they are in the country illegally. right now, new york city does not cooperate with any federal detainer request. we have under this administration, there are federal detainer requests to deport individuals who have committed serious crimes, murder, rape, either in this country or otherwise. and new york city is not cooperating with the biden administration. so we do need to deport individuals who are here legally, that are committing crimes, and also, the other one is the remain in mexico, which is another way of saying what i said earlier, which is, you apply from the next safe country, and then you come when your court date. right now, we have court dates, a backlog of ten years is the backlog. >> and that's something that has been discussed extensively. i do want to get your take. you talk about wanting to seem action. there is a bipartisan, bicameral legislation, the dignity act, working its way through, that would -- just to people who are not familiar with it, it would, among other things, grant work authorization for undocumented immigrants, author a pathway to legal status. would you support the dignity act? >> well, i think that that's a good starting point for conversations, but i'll tell you, and that is sponsored, by the way, by a republican, one of my colleagues from florida. but what i will say is that we need to have cooperation on border security. if we can't stop the unsustainable flow, we can't address the problem that's already here. and so i would say that we certainly need to add more judges to process these court cases quicker. right now, a ten-year backlog, and it's unfair that the biden administration is actually taking those individuals that cross the border last as opposed to those people who have been waiting in the system for years. they're getting pushed to the end of the line, believe it or not. and then ton on top of it, we n to make sure we are adding visas for people who want to work. by adding more visas, we will knee and be able to track individuals. >> it's interesting that you would support it. and as i noted, bipartisan, bicameral support for this immigration bill. we'll continue to follow that as well. congresswoman, appreciate your time this morning. thank you. >> thank you. well, this morning, elon musk is responding to the criticism over his recent embrace of an anti-semitic post. why hate speech has become so rampant on "x" under musk's leadership. and grammy-winning singer shakira reaching a deal this morning to avoid a tax fraud trial in spain, just as that trial was set to begin, agreeing to pay an additional nearly $8 million fine. that's in addition to the $15.6 million she's already paid. prosecutors were seeking an eight-year prison sentence. that plea deal, though, settled on a three-year sentence and instead of prison, she'll be paying a daily fine which totals to aboutut another h half a mil dollllars. happening this morning, more than two dozen newborn infants evacuated from gaza have now arrived in egypt. doctors say they're fighting serious infections. cnn's eleni giokos is live with the latest. there's been so much focus on this evacuation. the babies have now arrived. what more do we know about their condition? >> reporter: they are now in egypt, which is what everyone wanted for over a week now, egyptian authorities are relieved and they're happy, they're finally in the country. look, the 28 basis points the w.h.o says 11 are in critical condition. all are fighting infection, as we speak. i've spoken to some sources. they say they're all underweight, and the serious cases will be flown to cairo, to be taken to various hospitals across the board. this has been very difficult, to move them al shifa hospital, where there wasn't any safe passage through to the rafah border, but that eventually occurred yesterday for the first time in many days. we know it was an idf raid there. we've heard the stories about running out of oxygen and milk. one mother was describing out there was just nothing available in the hospital for many days. we know that some of the babies have tragically died, but also 28, and this is important, only four mothers and six nurses accompanied them. which means that many people just don't know where the other parents are, whether their family members are alive. but the priority right now is to get these babies stabilized and get them the medical attention that they need. and they will be receiving that in egypt. but when we saw those images of the babies crying out for help, when they were moved to the emiratei hospital, it gave you a sense of what they've been dealing with and their condition. look, all the doctors we've spoken to have described the very harrowing scenario and the situation and their safe right now, fragile, poppy, but at least now they're in a state of calm in egypt. >> it is heart wrenching and yet a little hopeful at the same time. eleni, appreciate it. thank you. so elon musk this morning responding to really public outcry over his recent embrace of an anti-semitic post on "x." this started when musk endorsed this tweet that said -- and he said, you have said the actual truth about jewish communities pushing hate against white people. now this is what musk writes. quote, this past week, there were hundreds of bogus media stories claiming that i am anti-semitic. nothing could be further from the truth. i wish only the best from humanity. but a number of prominent companies suspending their advertising on "x" as a result. among them, disney, apple, paramount, comcast, warner brothers discovery, the parent company of cnn, ibm pulled its ads after some of them appeared alongside pro-nazi content on the site. >> not everyone has been so quick to condemn musk. take a listen to gop presidential hopeful ron desantis when he was asked multiple times about musk's comments. >> i have no idea what the context is. i know elon musk. i've never seen him do anything. i think he's a guy that believes in america. i've never seen him indulge in any of that. i'm surprised if that's true, but i have not seen it, so i don't want to pass judgment on the fly. >> over the weekend, "the washington post" tweeted that musk has supercharged anti-semitism that was rising online. and joining us now is one of the reporters on the segment, elizabeth rossen. good to have you with us this morning. the fact that musk is saying, they are bogus media stories claiming he's anti-semitic, i'm curious how that comment sat with you? >> how did that comment land with me? look, every time i think that -- i've been covering elon musk for a long time, including when he bought twitter, and every time you think he's going to do something, and like, this is the last straw for advertisers, this is the last straw for him, he does something even crazier and more dangerous. in this case, since he took over twitter, he invited white supremacists back on the platform, people that twitter had previously been banned. he re-orchestrated the algorithm to essentially make it pay-to-play, so people who paid for verification had their comments -- get their comments more viewed on the platform, and what that's done, especially with the israel/gaza war is it's unleashed this huge tide of anti-semitism online and in the world. and he's given that a platform, more than any other mainstream platform, even more than tiktok or even more than the far-right platforms. i would argue that he's given that a mainstream platform. and then he uses his own voice and megaphone to amplify it, and then when he does, he claims that he's the victim, that all the advertisers who have left the platform are oppressing your own free speech, and essentially, acts like child in the face of this really dangerous commentary and swelling tide of hate in this country. >> you know, out rit rises to t headlines when it's elon musk, but one very important thing you and your colleagues point out, hate against jews on the internet is nothing new. it has been a feature of the internet. that extremists have been the early adopters of social media. can you speak to the big picture threat here? >> yeah. i mean, it's not a bug, it's a future. i've been covering the internet for a little over a decade. and one of the most interesting things is, you know, what i wanted to do in this story was trace like almost like a 30,000-foot view of the history of anti-semitism online. and it really starts, it's as old as the internet itself. and what the experts told me is that, you know, back even before there was a twitter, just in the early days, you saw anti-semitic conspiracy theories around jews causing the financial crisis. there were theories that jews caused 9/11. but just over a decade ago, we would see these as fringy, and even people who prominently denied the holocaust, they themselves had lost a lot of platforms. but look what's happened in the last decade. first of all, you have the charlottesville rally, where the demonstrators were chanting jews will not replace us, echoing the conspiracy theory that musk talked about, and you have the creation of service far-right channels like gab, 4chan, you know, that essentially extremists in the last number of years have gotten an enormous platform to broadcast their messages and look at what's happened in the last couple of years with the mass shootings, by shooters, who have been steeped in online conspiracy theories, deeply anti-semitic online conspiracy theories on places like discord, 4chan, gab, and now twitter. >> all excellent points. and i would encourage everyone to read your reporting. it really is stark and so important at the same time. elizabeth dwoskin, thank you. >> thank you so much, poppy. it has been nearly 60 years since the assassination of jfk and the conspiracy theories about who truly killed him have run wild for decades. actor, producer, and now podcaster rob reiner is here to discuss his new project that will certainly add to the discussion around all of this, next. from dallas, texas, the flash apparently official. president kennedy died at 1:00 p.m. central standard time. >> that moment, wednesday, marked 60 years since that moment, when president kennedy was assassinated. the killing has fueled decades, though, of questions about whether lee harvey oswald acted alone or whether there were other gunman. in fact, there's even a gallup poll on this, and it shows that 65% of americans believe the assassination involved a conspiracy to kill the president. our next guest has a new podcast delving into all of that. and it provides some new evidence that could potentially flip what we know about that infamous day in dallas. with us now is actor, filmmaker, and political activist, rob reiner. it's great to have you. e erika already started listening to the podcast. it's doing really well. >> it's number eight, i think, now. and we've had two episodes. >> soon to be number one after this interview. >> of course. >> and the third one drops on wednesday, which is the anniversary of the assassination. >> why did you want to dig into this? >> you know, i was 16 when it happened. and anybody who was alive at the time will never, ever forget where they were when they heard. >> of course. >> it was a national trauma. and we all experienced it, collectively. the whole country. teacher told us that something terrible has happened to the president, very bad news. they sent us all home from school, and we watched from that moment until the moment where the suspected assassin of kennedy, lee harvey oswald, was shot himself on live television. i saw that happen by jack ruby. and it just was bizarre. the whole thing was bizarre. and then the warren commission comes out a year later, and i didn't think very much about it, i was 17, 18 years old. but then books started coming out, "rush to judgment," i started listening to other people, i read everything i could. and over the 60 years, we have had revelations after revelation, and -- but people don't really understand how it works in the aggregate. and so i decided, because i've been studying this forever. i've been to daley plaza many times. i've talked to everybody who was alive at the time. i've talked to forensic experts. i've talked to everybody. i decided to see if we could put together, in a comprehensive, deep dive as to what actually happened that day with the best information that we have at this point and put it all together. and we do, eventually tell you what we think happened. we name names of actual shooters and we talk about the positions those shooters were in. and this is based on talking to hundreds and hundreds of people and reading many, many books and looking at all -- recently, there was a documentary about the parkland doctors. every single one of them said, all the shots on kennedy were entrance wounds. well, if that's the case, then, the shots didn't come -- there were shots from the sixth floor, but those shots are not the ones that killed kennedy. >> you were saying to poppy and i in the break, that this is really something that for 60 years you have thought about and stayed on top of. when you get to this point where you're putting it all together, did anything change for you about what you thought you knew and where you are now? >> a couple of things did. one was that the -- you know, everybody talks about the grassy knoll, you know, it's -- that's where the -- yes, there was a shooter there. and we believe the shot that went through his neck did come from there. but the kill shot, the terrible shot that -- i've been there many times. it's impossible. you cannot shoot from this angle, hit somebody in the head, it would come out there. it wouldn't come out back there. and so all the forensic experts i talked to said, it has to be a different angle. so we looked and i studied, and i talked to a man who was on, in the daley plaza. he was a cia asset, who flew johnny rizeli, the mobster, to dallas that day, also e howard hunt to dallas that day. they were both there. he was on the south knoll and he said there was a shooter from that angle. not the south knoll, but under the overpass. and when i looked at that, i went, that's it. and then i read a book by sherry pfister, who was a great forensics analyst, and it corroborated that. that was a big deal. and then the discovery of not only was the warren commission compromised, but the house select committee, many years later, over ten years later, was also compromised. they came to a different conclusion. they said it was a conspiracy. warren commission said oswald acted alone. you have two government official records saying the exact opposite. but they were both compromised, because they were cia agents. in charge of the gatekeeper of information. neither of them got any information of any connection between oswald and the cia. and knowing what we know, because, you know, there has been a lot of evidence that has drifted down over the years and documents that have been released, four years, they have a stack like this, a file on oswald, the cia does. none of that ever came out. nobody understood the connection between oswald and the cia for years, for four years, when he went to russia. there's thousands of pages on him. so we know that they had a connection. we do know that. >> rob reiner, clearly, your passion on this shows. we appreciate it very much. i can't wait to listen over the holidays. thank you. >> it will be interesting. the third one is interesting, because it's the forensics. >> and that comes out wednesday. >> that's wednesday and tells you all of the forensics. >> thanks, rob. appreciate it. the united states is on pace for more than 700 mass shootings this year. it is a horrific new high, new record high. we're going to talk a little bit about new congressional efforts to curb gun violence, that's just ahead. also, defense secretary lloyd austin making this unexpected trip to kyiv this morning. he's meeting with the president and other ukrainian leaders. his message is clear, america has your back. >> thehe message from ththe unu ststates of amamerica is thahate withth you and w we will rememah you for ththe long hauaul. look at that map. texas, tennessee, arkansas, california, four states that all saw mass shootings just this weekend. in total, 15 people were injured in those shootings. five were killed, including four women in tennessee, who were all related. the suspect in that shooting has been found dead and the u.s. is on pace to reach a record, 700 mass shootings this year. that is according to data from the gun violence archive. and that would make it the most in a single year. it would more than double the number of mass shootings in just 2018, the year when 17 people were murdered, 17 more injured at marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida, that remains the deadliest u.s. shooting in u.s. history. and today, six democratic lawmakers will tour the scene for the final time, because that building has remained largely untouched since the shooting. the wall still riddled with bullets, blood still on the ground, and now that the criminal trials have concluded, the building will be demolished next year. joining us now, democratic congressman jared moskowitz of florida, he is a graduate of marjory stoneman douglas and he currently represents parkland in congress. thank you very much for being with us. tell me about your goal. i mean, it's going to be incredibly difficult, i'm sure, for those who have not walked through the hallways to do so. what do you hope they take away from it? >> well, thanks for having me this morning. i've done this before. i took a bipartisan group of lawmakers in congress through the building before, and this is the second group of bipartisan lawmakers that i'm taking through the building. the building is literally a time capsule. it's exactly as it was the day of the shooting minus the victims. every backpack that was there, every shoe that fell off, the homework that was on the desk, what was on the dry erase board that day, it's exactly as it was, and it's unique, because they wanted to keep it that way for the trials. so what i'm hoping that it accomplishes is that to make this real, when we see these mass shootings, we see camera angles from far away, we see a picture of the building, but never see inside. and here in florida, when i brought lawmakers to the building, when i was in the state legislature, i brought republicans and democrats to the building, it led to the largest bipartisan gun violence prevention and mental health school safety bill in florida history. and so for me, this is about seeing what failed that day, not just from gun safety regulations, but also from school safety rules, as well. >> yeah. you know, this makes me think about what "the washington post" decided to do, as you well know, and to put out this video that had not been seen before, where you can hear gunfire, where you can hear wounded students crying for help. and the executive editor of "the washington post," sally buzbee explained that decision in an editor's note, adding, there is public value in illuminated the profound devastation left by tragedies, that are rarely considered as part of a broader pattern of violence. it sounds like she is echoing what you are doing today in terms of saying, you have to see it, if we want change in this country, you have to see it. >> she's 100% correct. we saw this in proof positive work in florida, when lawmakers came to the building. you're talking about a-plus rated members of the nra came to the building, folks that have, you know, every child in their house has an ar-15 and had never voted for gun regulations, gun violence provenevention rules i their entire political career. and when they saw what it looked like, when they saw the devastation, they realized, we have a second amendment that we can protect, but we have to keep guns out of the hand of people who shouldn't have them. and that's what led to the bipartisan deal. and so, look, look what's going on in, you know, in wars in ukraine, wars in the middle east. we get those images beamed on to the tv and on to our social media every single day. but when there is a mass shooting in people's neighborhood, they don't get to see it. no, if they saw it, it would have a dramatic impact on recognizing that there is a balance that has to happen in this country between protecting the second amendment and people's rights to defend themselves and also keeping kids safe in schools and movie theaters and grocery stores. >> let me turn to another topic, but it remains on the issue of hate in this country, and that is, florida governor, ron desantis, and how he responded to elon musk's tweet from earlier last week, that was siding with an anti-semitic comment. now, musk has said, i'm not anti-semitic, that's not correct. but when our colleague, jake tapper, read him that tweet, this is how the governor of florida responded. >> i wondered if you saw the comment and if you condemn cond. >> did i not see the comment so i know that elon has had a target on his back ever since he purchased twitter. i have no idea what the context is. i know elon musk, i've never seen him do anything. i think he is a guy that believes in america. >> jake went on to read him the full tweet in the context and i would -- four days between when it was posted, by the way, and when that interview was. my question to you is what is your response to that given the alarming rise in anti-semitism in this country right now? >> yeah, no, listen, you know, there are very few issues that are bipartisan in this country in today's society but anti-semitism is one of them. right? we see nazis in the street, we saw it in madison, wisconsin, the other day, we've seen it in florida in orlando near disney world. when things happen on let's say the right, my republican colleagues want to ignore t they're very quiet, but, by the way, the same thing happens to my left, which is when there is a protest that's on a foreign policy issue like a ceasefire protest, right, but there's people in the crowd holding signs that say gas the jews, kill the jews, i don't see my colleagues on the left calling that out. so anti-semitism is easy to call out when it's across the aisle, right? democrats have no problem calling out marjorie taylor greene or paul gosar and republicans have no problem calling out the squad, but when they want to do it from within the party they're super quiet. when donald trump had dinner and tea at mar-a-lago with a holocaust denier, i didn't hear many of my republican colleagues come out and criticize the president. and so, you know, politics cannot be above your jersey, your team cannot be above fighting anti-semitism. >> i will say that our john berman did ask governor desantis a couple weeks ago if he would do what trump did in that circumstance and he said after pressed by berman a couple times that he would not. i appreciate you highlighting these important issues and we will be thinking of all of you today as you walk those halls, congressman. thank you. >> thank you so much. >> of course. openai co-founder sam altman has a new job this morning at microsoft and that new job comes three days after he was fired as a ceo at openai. kara swisher joining us with the latest reporting. she's with us next. we are getting breaking news about the firing of former openai chief sam altman and what is happening now at the parent company of chatgpt. we want to get straight to cnn media analyst kara swisher who joins us. she's also the host of the on podcast and pivot. kara, this is extraordinary breaking news. what can you tell us? >> yeah, well, there's a letter that just was given to the board of openai which did this firing and then backtracked on a reunion with sam altman yesterday. 505 of its 700 employees want the board to resign and that's just 5:55 in the morning in california. so i assume almost all of them will be signing that letter. it was just sent to the board calling them essentially incompetent. >> let's read part of it. by the way, we printed out 12 pages, i'm just trying to show people. most of the pages are just their signatures here of all the people by name and it reads, here is what i was talking about, your actions have made it obvious that you are incapable of overseeing openai, we're unable to work for with people that lack competence, judgment or care for our mission and employees. is this the end of the company if the board doesn't go? >> they will all go to microsoft. microsoft just bought this company for nothing because every day in silicon valley as you know, poppy, talent walks out the door. i mean, they certainly have i.t. and all kinds of tech and things like that, but it's the people here created and i think that's a problem. so microsoft just bought this company for nothing, including its top leaders and probably almost all of its employees. now, it probably doesn't have to keep with the terms of the contract it has with openai because they don't have employees to meet the contract needs that they had and so there's billions and billions not going to be invested here by microsoft and they're going to take that money and invest it in their own people and then own the thing anyway. you know, this is what's -- it's incredible. it is an incredible -- it's an incredible story of value disruption by four people. >> the alerts that we were getting, i think for a lot of people they think of openai, ai, i don't know which one is which, right, this is a parent company of chatgpt. can you put that in context for folks as to why this is ultimately such a big deal this morning? >> well, first of all, the money. it was valued at $80 billion and this is something the employees have now lost, you know, in that regard. it's the leading ai company. it was started -- it's a profit and a nonprofit, i'm not going to explain, lots of companies -- several companies have done this in the past, but it was leading -- it was at the forefront of ai right now, including in the public's imagination. it was starting to make some real money. it's very expensive to do what it does and it was competing against google and facebook and amazon and everything else. amazon has made some investments in the air in a company called anthropic, microsoft put its bet on openai and sam altman and now he works for them and is creating an advanced research unit which will now be staffed by openai staff, i guess. >> kara, just to get to the issue of the big breaking point here was where sam wanted to be in terms of moving fast on ai and where the board wanted to be and you look at ilea, a name that doesn't get used as much but an important name in all of this and where he wanted to go, but we do have this tweet from him, i deeply regret my participation in the board's actions, i never intended to harm openai. what do we need to know about that divide and what it means for humanity? >> that was quite a tweet. narcissism, welcome to my world in silicon valley. here is the deal, they wanted to move slower this group of people and not slower necessarily, had a thought of where ai was going to benefit humanity. i don't think sam altman was against that. they didn't like the creation of a platform essentially, he had announced an app store so that lots of developers could get on it. he was leaning into the relationship with microsoft. they felt like this should not be a for profit in that regard,