and he, all of the time that he was president, with all of the criticisms, he thought he was doing the right thing and the best thing for our country. and we enjoyed it. >> for the last several years, they've been at their family home in plains, georgia. the couple shared a passion for serving others and spent much of their life after the white house working to advance the causes of decent affordable housing and peace internationally. and with that, thanks to all of you for joining us, kasie hunt, don't go anywhere. "cnn this morning" starts right now. good morning. phil is off this week. happy to have erica hill by my side. >> nice to be with you. >> good weekend? >> good weekend. >> it is monday, november 20. we have a lot to get to. negotiations are under way and negotiators say they are optimistic about the possibility of hamas releasing hostages maybe within days. sources familiar with the talks say sticking points are inching closer to being resolved. lloyd austin making a surprise visit to kyiv announcing on social media the u.s. will stand with ukraine against russia, quote, both now and into the future. new this morning, former head of openai has landed a new job just three days after the company he co-founded ousted him. microsoft has hired sam altman to lead its new artificial intelligence research team. and happy birthday to president biden, but not so happy poll numbers. his approval rating is at 40%, lowest of his presidency. and celebrating rosalynn ca carter. the mental health advocate died at the age of 96 yesterday. >> "cnn this morning" starts right now. here is where we start, israeli military claiming surveillance video shows hamas bringing hostages to gaza's main hospital. the time stamp on that video is crucial. it is october 7, the same day hamas launched its terror attacks. one of the videos shows a man being rushed into the hospital by force and the other video shows a bleeding man with a bandaged hand being pushed on a gurney, this as the idf accuses hamas of running a command center under the hospital. the idf took cnn into al-shifa hospital to see a shaft hamas allegedly used. hamas and some hospital officials have denied this. >> right now 28 premature babies have been taken to the border crossing with egypt and there is growing hope that deal with hamas to release some hostages could be just days away. sources telling cnn a recent draft of a possible agreement proposes a four to five day pause in fighting in exchange for the initial release of 50 hostages. >> and we have team coverage from the white house to tel aviv. let's begin with oren lieberman from tel aviv. what does the idf claim these videos show? >> reporter: in the latest briefing from the idf, they say they have new information about several of the hostages including a 19-year-old corporal that they say she was alive when she was brought into gaza, injured in an israeli strairstr that killed her captor and then according to the idf murdered inside al-shifa hospital. and they also released two videos that show an nepali and thai citizen taken hostage brought into the hospital itself. and hamas has responded to this, not specifically to these videos, but acknowledging that they brought hostages to the hospital because their health was meticulously monitored before taken to their places of detention. meanwhile, we had a chance to travel into gaza with the idf, our key goal there was to take a look at the tunnel shaft that had been exposed only a day or two earlier to see what it reveals about what may be underneath. take a look. we go in under cover of darkness. and it is lights out across the gaza strip. escorted by a tank, we switch to an armored personnel carrier for the final stretch. even through a night vision screen you could see the magnitude of the destruction on the streets of gaza city. we offload at the al shifa hos hospital. we have to keep our lights off or risk exposing our position. cnn reported from gaza under israel defense forces escort at all times as a condition of journalists to join the idf, media outlets must submit footage filmed for review. now at the hospital compound, we wait inside a structure to make sure the area is secure before moving the short distance to the exposed tunnel shaft. here is the entrance. you can see what looks like a ladder access to it. as i step here, it is very difficult to see how far down it goes. but it looks like there is almost a central shaft for a staircase and then the shaft disappears then down in the darkness. we move around the opening for a better look at the shaft itself. what is clear, this is meant go deep under ground. which direction is the tunnel going? >> we assume the tunnel goes out and it has another corridor to this way. >> reporter: towards the hospital. >> towards the hospital. next to the hospital to the outside, which implies with the way hamas is working, hamas is going out, shooting forces, and then going back inside to a safe place. >> reporter: we weren't allowed to enter the shaft but the israeli military sent special gear down to see where it leads. inside the video shows a spiral staircase and moves forward into a done 234e8. t tunnel. the tunnel makes a sharp left and there is a metal door that they say they have not yet opened because they fear it is booby-trapped. idf spokesman says that some of the israeli hostages taken on october 7 were also brought to the hospital. and a body found 50 meters from the compound. >> we have evidence that they were holding hospitals in rantisi, but also that they were bringing to shifa hospital. still looking for places they might have held them. >> reporter: this is not proof of a hamas command center under the hospital, but israel continues trying to build its case that hamas uses the sanctuary of the hospital for cover which hamas and hospital officials have denied. the idf's ability to continue its operation in gaza and the credibility of israel are at stake here as the number killed in the fighting surpasses 12,000. according to the hamas run ministry of health. idf says one of its missions is to destroy hamas. but with international criticism mounting, israel has to show the terrorist organization is using gaza civilians and the hospital as cover to justify the ongoing war. given how dark it was while we were at the complex, we couldn't see how deep the tunnel went, but the idf in sending that camera down there says the tunnel goes about 33 feet down and the tunnel itself runs about 55 meets or more than 150 feet before it comes to that metal door. of course the question what is on the other side and is there more extensive network there. >> really important to see the fact that you got in. oren, thank you very much. this morning we're learning about the negotiations to free dozens of hostages in gaza. it could be closing in on a deal. sources telling cnn senior biden administration officials are seeking with officials in hamas and israel with qatar mediating. >> when will more hostages get out? [ inaudible ]. >> arlette saenz is live at the white house this morning. anymore information this morning on when this deal could potentially be reached? >> reporter: there is cautious optimism as you are hearing from senior administration officials saying that they are closer to a deal than ever before, but they still have the hints of caution in their words as this potential deal could be coming together. according to a draft of a proposal that is being considered, there could be an agreement to have four to five days pauses in fighting in order to release around 50 hostages according to sources involved in the negotiations. but they very much caution that none of this is finalized. these types of discussions have been going back and forth over the course of the past few weeks. of course biden administration officials are in touch with the qataris who are really serving as the main negotiator between israel and hamas. but there is concern as the white house is trying to ensure that some of these hostages can get out. now, one thing over the weekend, president biden once again stressed that while there could be some pauses for humanitarian assistance or potentially to get hostages out, he once again said that cease fire is not the way to peace in this conflict. you wrote in an op-ed that as long as hamas clings to its ideology of destruction, a ceasefire is not peace. to hamas, every ceasefire is time they rebuild their stockpile anding innocents again. so the president is going against calls for a ceasefire at a time when back here at home, there is strong disapproval of his handling of the israel-hamas conflict. according to a new nbc news poll, about a third of americans approve of the president's handling of this conflict and if you take a look at the divide amongst democrats, 51% disapprove of his handling. but the focus right now for this administration is trying to get thes hostages released and they are hopeful that something could potentially come together in the coming days though always they are speaking with caution as there are so many constantly fluid changing situations on the ground there and in the negotiations. >> appreciate the reporting as always. and i think that we have new pictures coming in from egypt of some of the babies who will be evacuated arriving now in egypt. key critical moments of course there and we'll continue to update you as we learn more about their conditions, again once arriving there in egypt after being evacuated from gaza. >> so important to see especially with some of those babies in critical condition this morning. also this, new overnight, defense secretary lloyd austin has arrived in kyiv. he will meet with ukrainian leaders to show a reaffirming show of support for ukraine's freedom and the security assistance they need against russia. natasha bertrand is joining us from the pentagon. obviously the war that has continued in ukraine has been overshadowed by the ongoing war between israel and hamas, so what does he hope to accomplish? >> reporter: that is exactly right. this is essentially a demonstration of the u.s. ongoing full throated commitment to the war in ukraine and to supporting ukraine in its defense of its homeland of course against russia, russia's onslaught there. there of course have been a lot of concerns inside ukraine that the u.s.'s attention has significantly shifted ever since the war in the middle east erupted just over a month ago. so what secretary austin is hoping to convey to ukrainian leaders is that the u.s. will continue to provide security assistance and support and will provide long term security assurances to the ukrainians because right now, the war does not seem like it is going to end anytime soon. some u.s. officials have expressed concern that the war is in a stalemate. senior defense officials who briefed reporters this morning however disputed that and said that ukraine is actually making pretty substantial progress against the russians in terms of firing into russian defensive positions and behind russian enemy lines. now, president biden wrote in an op-ed over the weekend that he believes that the u.s. can do both, support ukraine and support israel. and he said, quote, both putin and hamas are fighting to wipe a neighboring democracy off the man. america cannot and will not let that happen. for our own national security interests and for the good of the entire world. so secretary austin just met with personnel at the u.s. embassy in kyiv and he's expected to meet with ukrainian president zelenskyy as well to discuss air defense needs of ukrainians as well as longer term security assistance that they will need in the future. >> natasha, thank you very much. silicon valley shocker, a major ai company boots its founder and now sam always man h altman has a new job. and tributes to rosalynn carter are pouring in as the nation mourns the former first lady. a life at her life and 77 year marriage to jimmy carter, next. openai co-founder sam altman with a new job three days after he was fired as ceo of the company. overnight microsoft said it would hire altman, he will lead a new advanced ai research team alongside greg brockman who also quit after altman was terminated. this is a really interesting interview over the summer with sam altman and he talked about his role as ceo and who he believes should hold the immense potential power of ai. listen. >> like no one person should be trusted here. i don't have voting shares. i don't want them. the board can fire me, i think that is important. i think the board over time needs to get democratized to all humanity if this really works, it is a powerful technology and you should not trust one company and certainly not one person with it. >> it is really interesting what has transpired the last 72 hours. here is what we know. openai said that altman had been insuffi insufficiently, quote, candid with the board, sources say a factor was tension between altman who favored pushing ai more quickly, the board remained more cautious. former chief executive of twitch will be taking over as interim ceo. of course there were a lot of discussions also because so many people wanted to leave the company after altman was fired, and then they were trying to bring him back. >> didn't work, did it. >> no, it didn't work. >> a lot to dig into there this morning. also today, ceremonies celebrating former first lady rosalynn carter's wife slated to begin next week. funeral service for friends and family will take place wednesday of next week in plains, georgia. she passed away peacefully at her home on sunday at the age of 96 and is being remembered as a tireless humanitarian. jill biden highlighted it yesterday. >> former first lady rosalynn carter has just passed. and she was well-known for her efforts on mental health and care giving and women's rights. so i hope that during the holidays, you will consider saying your -- include the carter family in your prayers. >> rafael romo is tracking the tributes pouring in. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, not only here in georgia but all across america and the world, we're hearing from many leaders phrasing the former first lady. rosalynn carter is being remembered not only for her efforts to help people suffering from mental illness, but also as a staunch advocate for women's rights among many, many other accomplishments. and let me tell you, we first heard from the 39th president of the united states himself, former president jimmy carter, who said about his wife the following -- he said that she was his equal partner in everything that he accomplished, always giving him wise guidance and encouragement. and let's remember that the president turned 99 years old not too long ago and that he was put in hospice care himself back in february after a series of hospital stays. we also heard from rosalynn carter's son chip who described his mother as an extraordinary first lady and great humanitarian in her own right. similarly phrase we heard from the bushes, from former president george w. bush and laura bush, who described rosalynn carter as a woman of dignity and strength. we also heard from bill clinton who said that rosalynn carter was a compassionate and committed champion of human dignity everywhere. and let's remember that president clinton back when he was in office in 1999 gave both carters the presidential medal ever freedom, the country's highest civilian honor. and rosalynn carter is survived by four children, 11 grandchildren and 14 great grandchildren. back to you. >> and quite a legacy there. rafael, appreciate it. >> quite a love story as well. jimmy and rosalynn carter were married 77 years, longer than any other first couple. they tied the knot in july 1946 when she was a junior in college, he was still a naval ca cadet. >> how has your long and vibrant marriage enriched your life and work? >> i'll let you answer it first. >> i don't know. i've been married all of my life almost. and i don't know how it could have been enriched more if it had not been for jimmy carter. >> you know, jimmy carter actually told his mother he wanted to marry processrosalynn their first indicate and he said it was the best decision he ever made. >> best thing i ever did was marry rosa. that is the pit cal of my life and we've had 69 years together. still together. and so that is the best thing that happened to me. >> they always shared a passion for serving others. you see them there famously working with habitat for humanity. after they left the white house, they volunteered so much, rosalynn said one of the things she admired most about her husband was that. >> and i'm proud of him. i'm proud that he stands for human rights and peace all over the world. i'm proud of the work of the carter center which has developed to become one of the most admired and respected institutions not only nationally but internationally. >> truly a life of service. >> absolutely. storms are brewing that could impact thanksgiving travel across the country. we'll take a closer look at what you can expect. and today president biden's 81st birthday, but slipping poll numbers probably a gift he did not want. how age is factoring in especially to younger voters' choice for president. >> it is our concern that president biden's chances for re-election could be damaged by his unwavering support for israel. but i think the bigger problem for biden is that he is six years older thanan israel. next question, l.a. "times." >> thank you and congratulations on your historic and productive summit. i have a question. you're old. >> okay. all right. not sure how that is a question, but why can't we talk about things that are going well like the economy? >> that was "saturday night live" over the weekend poking fun at president biden's age. today is biden's 81st birthday. it comes as concern over his age though has seriously been increasing and his approval rating has been slipping especially among younger voters. there is a new nbc news poll that finds that donald trump holds a four point lead among younger voters. really important. this is in a hypothetical head to head match-up. margin of error is just more than six points, so within there, but a stark distance from 2020 when voters age 18 to 29 overwhelmingly supported biden by a margin of 24 points. the age issue is becoming a serious hurdle. 74% of americans in a recent cnn poll says biden does not have the stamina or sharpness to serve effectively as president. with us now is our reporters. air l errol lewis, snl poking fun, but this is what the democrats are contending with and they cannot ignore the polls. >> you don't ignore them, but you shouldn't panic. by definition this is something that hasn't happened before. so nobody really has a playbook. i think they have some guidelines though and one of the things, they have to go at him and make their case. i mean, it shouldn't -- you shouldn't be hearing as a lot of your viewers are hearing on cnn what i'm about to say is that this administration did away with $127 billion worth of student debt. that is kind of important, you know? it is the kind of thing that somebody ought to be telling them about. they have to get their campaign operation in order and get it moving. they have to talk about the environmental issues that young people care about, they have to talk about some of the economy issues, the ability to get that first home that we know young voters care about. if you don't make the case, then they will just be left with "saturday night live" and gee, that guy's old. that is not really a winning formula. >> bidenomics, attempts to say here are all the wins we've had. is there enough emphasis though from the campaign on what a second term would actually look like to give incentive perhaps to voters? >> not so much yet and i don't think that bidenomics is the kind of issue that is getting the younger voters excited. unfortunately some of this is just how you reach them too. they are getting news from places like tiktok where for national security reasons the biden campaign, biden administration is not on tiktok. but at this point we have not started to see any second term agenda getting people excited. there is a lot of talk about the first term, but so far it seems like they are framing the race as just a stark choice between him and donald trump and what that would mean for the country. >> making things more difficult for the president is his staunch support of israel and how israel has been conducting this operation against hamas after the terror attack. nbc polling shows only 34 pr of voters overall approval of biden's handling of this war. and democrats, only 51% approval. but no indication from the white house that this president will change positions especially given his op-ed over the weekend. >> i think that's right. but if you look at what the president has been saying, he is hitting all the touch stones talking about security for israel, talking about opportunity for palestinian, talking about two state solution. i think they are focused on the fundamentals of getting this right from a policy perspective and i think that is the thing about age that matters here is that it does really have a level of wisdom and a level of gravitas. let's say they also got rid of kevin mc kamala harris and they decided to find somebody new. we don't know anything about their background or their families. and all of a sudden let's say that person loses to donald trump. a year later we look back and say the economy was on the upswing, he was managing foreign policy crises, wages were up, inflation was down, all these things were working, but we just thought he was maybe too old. so if that happens, democrats -- what were democrats thinking? by the way happy birthday, mr. president. >> you were former communications director for vice president harris. to your point, there are plenty of democrats who could be in this who we know a ton about their back grounds. >> we have all seen presidential campaigns. we think we know about them. and i've seen candidates who do this. you start off running, oh, i was a governor of a big state, i was a senator, and then you run for president and then, oh, but nobody knew about that one time when you were 35 and you had that real estate transaction and now we'll spend a bunch of time talking about that for a year. so we don't actually know very much about these people. it is a risk. and remember this, at this point in 2019, vice president skkamal harris had gotten out of the race in the year before we even got to the iowa caucus. so we would be launching a candidacy right now who didn't have an buyeentire year for us get to know them and then go into the election year as pretty much an unknown quantity. >> there was an interview over the weekend, kamala harris said we're going to have to earn our reelect, there is no doubt about it. so this is i would say the most stark terms that we've heard not just from the vice president, but frankly from a member of the campaign. right? for re-election that acknowledging the challenge ahead. >> this is somebody who has won at the local and state and national level who knows politics. and the reality is that you are going to have to go out there and make that case. because look, the democratic ticket is set, right? let's just be real about it. we've got less than 60 days to iowa. probably half a dozen states where you literally cannot get on the ballot at this point unless there is some expensive write-in campaign that you are willing to wage. so it is what it is. you look at the numbers and the ticket is essentially set at this point. and there is a lot of people who are concerned about it. on foreign policy for example, george h.w. bush had sky high -- first gulf war, sky high approval ratings right up until the time the public voted him out of office. these things changed. a lot can change between now and the next six months. she is absolutely correct, they will have to mobilize their base. the democratic party is a coalition of movements, environmental movement, youth movement, women around abortion and so forth, they have to make the case and get everybody excited, mobilized and get them to the polls. some of it is simply mechanical, but it is work that has to get done. >> and there is one danger that the democrats do have to pay attention to. when jimmy carter ran and god bless rosalynn carter, when jimmy carter ran, he had a contest from the left from ted kennedy. when george h.w. bush ran, he had a contest from pat buchanan. joe manchin is only one of the potential candidates who could ska cause the president considerable amount because he could take some of the voters. the others probably won't. >> we'll have to leave it there for now. stay with us. much more to discuss ahead. meantime argentine electing a new president over the weekend, a political outsider who has been compared to donald trump. how is trump responding? ththat is next. a right wing former t vchlts p pundit has won in argentine. he beat out massa. his campaign drew comparison to donald trump's here in the u.s. with promises to break up the status quo. his supporters chant what translates to may they all leave. and give us a sense of how significant this victory is? >> reporter: yes, well, the victory for milei is extremely significant and remarkable also because just to consider the bigger picture, we were going from a long stretch of election victories for the center left and for progressives, at least here in latin america for example, but also dating back from the victory of joe biden in 2020 in the united states. and now argentina has voted convincingly to the right to this new unexpected tv pundit. this is happening because argentina is going through the worst economic crisis of the last 20 years. inflation is at over 140% in the country. and that is why the voters have decisively backed the new guy, the person who promised to break up with it and completely tear the house down. but at the same time, this election will have consequences all across the nation. and it is interesting to listen to the very first word from milei just why yesterday as he proclaimed the new president elect. take a listen. >> translator: i want to tell argentina that today begins the end of the decadence of our country. today we begin to turn the page of our history and return to the path that we never should have left. today we go back to the path that made this country great. >> reporter: you can see already some things that are shared between him and donald trump, the idea of bringing the country back to a supposed greatness for his nation. and that is why i think that it is interesting to consider how this election in arrestgentina d eventually influence the rest of the elections in this continent in the upcoming months. >> something we'll be watching closely. and meantime back here at home, flu cases are on the rise. what you need to know heading in to the thanksgiving holiday. and intense negotiations are under way to secure the release of some of the hostages taken by hamas, where those talks stand this morning. multiple storm systems could have a big impact on travelers this thanksgiving holiday on both coasts. allison chinchar is joining us with more. middle of the country looks a little bit of yikes. >> yeah, stormy there. >> yeah, if you have travel plans today whether it is in the air or on the roads, be prepared for at least a few delays in some spots. the low pressure system sitting in the central u.s. is starting to spread some of that rain into the midwest, but also we have some pretty strong thunderstorms across the southern tier and that is where especially this afternoon and this evening we start to see the potential for strong to severe thunderstorms across much of the gulf coast region here. the main threats will be the potential for several tornadoes, some of which could be very strong tornadoes, damaging hail and also large hail and damaging winds. shreveport down to new orleans and up to memphis will be the target points. as the low pressure system continues to progress eastward, it will take that potential for delays with it. so by tuesday, chicago down to atlanta, charlotte, washington, d.c., all looking at the potential for delays there, not just at the airports but a lot of the interstates. 95, 7 0, 40 likely to have heav rain. tuesday night into wednesday, now it is pushing into the northeast. and even bringing some snow across portions of interior new england. so it is not just the rain, but you've also got the snow to contend with as well. back to you. >> a lot to keep an eye on. just as we really start to get to the thick of holiday travel, there is also flu activity which is now on the rise across the country. here to take a closer look, meg terrell. how bad is the flu forecast? >> yeah, sometimes i feel like a weather forecaster looking at this. we're in flu season. off to an early start again like we saw last year. it is bad with the dark red in the southeast, south and getting worse across the west but really rising everywhere. and the cdc estimates already that 780,000 people have had the flu already this season, 8,000 people have been hospitalized and almost 500 have already died from the flu. and covid and rsv are also circulating. covid is still at higher levels, this is a look at emergency department visits for respiratory viral illness. and they are all increasing. looks small, but they are all increasing and covid still is the one that is causing the most illness, causing people to go to these emergency departments. >> what precautions should people be taking around the holidays? so many are getting on planes. >> yeah, and we've seen fewer people are worried about spreading covid-19 this year. there was just a poll that came out last week from kff that show that three quarters of people are not worried about getting covid-19 over the holidays themselves and 68% not worried about spreading it to others. but what you need to think about, who is the most vulnerable in your group. if you have an elderly grand parent or one spro sxhized, you have compromised, you have to think about protecting them. and so same old things. perhaps stay home or at least test. masks can be good in travel or crowded places. hand washing. and of course vaccines. you have them for flu, rsv and covid-19 now. so that is important too. >> meg, thank you. donald trump getting a big endorsement from the governor of texas, what it means for the 2024 race. plus right now, 28 premature babies being evacuated from al-shifa hospital in gaza, across the border in egypt, we'll take you live to cairo just ahead. nice footwork. man, you're lucky, watching live sports never used to be this easy. now you can stream all your games like it's nothing. yes! 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[ cheers ] i'm here today to officially proclaim my endorsement for donald j. trump to be president of the united states of america again! >> that is republican governor of texas greg abbott officially throwing his support behind donald trump for re-election, that is a big endorsement and it came during trump's visit to the border over the weekend and a week after cnn's reporting that trump is planning a huge expansion of his hard line immigration policies that we saw in his first administration. if he wins those plans include rounding up undocumented immigrants in large scale raids and placing them in detention camps to a wait deportation. how much though does -- i guess maybe people thought that he would endorse desantis. how much does that help trump? does it? >> it certainly does, but probably helps governor abbott a little more. never hurts to get behind the guy who is 40 points up in the polls given that texas is a pivotal and large state that happens to come pretty late in the calendar, it will all be over by the time it actually gets to the -- the calendar gets to texas. so a safe choice for governor abbott. >> safe choice for hearing more of the imbringmigration policiem the former president and just how -- i can't get my words out. how hardline those are. it is not surprising to see that coming from the former president as he is moving closer and closer. and yet we've seen how voters have reacted. what is the sense within the party, this is it, not going to deviate from this lane and this is what 2024 will look like? >> this is what he ran on in 2016 too. this was his key issue. he is coming back to it. when you talk to republican voters, this is -- whether or not they live in a border state or not, this is what they are concerned about. they point to fentanyl in their communities as as border issue. so to have somebody like greg abbott, this is somebody who knows this issue and he is choosing donald trump. we've seen governor desantis has tried to make it an issue key for him even as governor when he's been flying migrants to places like martha's vineyard. so for trump to double down on this, now he's got the backing of a governor who is dealing with it every day, cementing him as the guy on immigration. >> and so listen to how both governor desantis and nikki haley responded overnight to trump because they are still pretty measured in the way that they are willing to go after him. >> the presidency is not a job for somebody that is pushing 80 years old. i just think that that is something that has been shown with joe biden. father time is undefeated. donald trump is not exempt from any of that. >> not so much about donald trump and, yes, his personality is not my personality and yes he says things he shouldn't say. we look so distracted right now. and when america is distracted, the world is less safe. >> strategically do you think that is as far as they will go against trump or do they really have to ratchet it up? >> she's really, really good. i mean, that incapsulated and she really sort of played out for voters people who are maybe a little bit anxious about donald trump but still don't necessarily want to stay home or jump to the democratic side. and so she like literally a playing out, well, yes, he says different things but let's not get distracted. let's move forward. that i think is the key. i think there is a case that is starting to emerge that nikki haley and governor desantis really are auditioning for the number two slot on the ticket, that this idea of trying to sort of throw him out or, you know, somehow pull off a surprise victory in less than 60 days in iowa a little bit moor time for in that is pretty much out of reach according to the polls. so i think that they are trying to make the case that without alienating the trump base, they deserve some consideration on a national ticket. and let's just leave it there for now, you know. perhaps as the number two, if fortune smiles on them, maybe they can snag the number one spot. >> and we learned friday this judge in colorado ruling that donald trump can stay on the primary ballot. but noting in pretty interesting language a portion of the ruling that the court concludes trump acted with a specific intent to incite political violence and directed it at the capitol with the purpose of disrupting electoral certification. going on that he engaged in an insurrection on january 6, 2021. how do you see that playing out? because that is the language that is getting the most focus and will likely be brought up in several other areas moving forward. >> right. this judge declared him an insurrectionist. that has never happened for a former president before. and 17 pages analyzing what he said at the elipse that day, a roadmap for any of these court cases against going him in the country right now. >> michelle price, errol lewis, thank you both. 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