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what exactly does the israeli military say it is doing right now inside that complex? >> well, kaitlan, this is an extremely significant moment in israel's war against hamas. we have watched as israeli forces in recent days and weeks have been building towards this moment, bringing their forces closer and closer first to gaza city and then to the al-shifa hospital, gaza's largest hospital. today the israel defense forces say, they are carrying out a targeted and precise operation. they're being very specific, saying this is being carried out in on the entire hospital complex, but on a specified area of the hospital that they face being driven by intelligence, and, quote operational necessitate. mr. this operation is designed to target hamas, and to rescue our hostages in the statement. they also note there will be medical teams and arabic speakers as a part of, this and the units involved have undergone specific training to try and minimize any potential harm to civilians who may be at that area of the hospital. we heard earlier tonight, when the idf spokesman, i want you to listen to what he said. >> we are not over running the hospital, but we are conducting a very precise and targeted operation against a specific location where we have intelligence and indeed operational necessitate in order to defeat hamas and perhaps rescue hostages. >> and what is really important to note, here is the fact that there are still thousands of people inside this hospital complex, an estimated 1500 patients and medical staff, and thousands more who are sheltering on the grounds of the complex. many of them already displaced from other parts of the gaza strip. tonight our team spoke with -- a journalist for the palestinian news agency who says he saw tanks in the hospital complex, active gunfights could be heard across the hospital yard and a doctor at the complex also told cnn the hospital staff forgiven about 30 minutes warning before israeli troops began moving into the hospital complex to carry out their operations. now we don't know for sure whether or not there are hostages there, but you heard the idf spokesman has repeatedly indicated tonight that there may be a hostages on other complex, and that may be part of this ground operation that is being carried out right now. >> and jeremy, what did you make of how we heard from the white house just a few hours, ago john, kirby the national security council, backing up those assertions from israel, saying there is u.s. the televisions, and also the u.s. believes that proves that hamas is using the al-shifa hospital as a command center, as a place to store weapons and store ammunition? >> the timing is really interesting, because israel husband making these allegations for weeks about a range of hospitals. but most of, all talking about al-shifa hospital, saying hamas operates a massive commanding control complex below its grounds, the evidence they are provided for, that we cannot independently verify at this stage. but it is interesting it was today that john kirby the spokesman for the national security council, for the first, time publicly confirms that the eu s does indeed believe that there is a command node below al-shifa hospital that hamas operates, the palestinian islamic jihad also used his hospitals for its operations, maybe stashing, weapons and may also be holding hostages there. now that being, said president biden for his part said yesterday, he believes that israel should make sure to protect these hospitals, should carry out less intrusive action that the most hospitals, and kirby today saying, that would mean essentially not carrying out mass of a strike from the air on these hospitals. instead, caring approach that we are seeing, tonight and more precise operation, although we will have to wait and see whether or not that is the case when we get more videos and are able to speak to people inside. kaitlan? >> and share, me i should note, oh audience knows as, well we are just learning this, the prime minister netanyahu and president biden did speak on the phone today. of course they had a lot of conversation sixth october 7th, but that is notable as well given timing there. jeremy diamond, we will continue to check back in with you as these developments are happening in this hour of breaking news happening. from a military perspective on what this operation could result, and what it could be looking like on the ground, i want to bring in retired air force colonel cedric leighton is here with me. you just heard from jeremy there in that sound from the idf spokesperson, do we believe there could be potentially hostages here and that could be part of why they're calling this a precise specific operation? >> i think so, katelyn. it is clear there is no guarantee the hostages are there, but it seems as if based on the idf press release, and how the freest things, other white house raising things, it does seem as if they believe hostages either are there, or were in that al-shifa hospital compound. so if that is the case, they will go get those hostages out as quickly as possible and a massive rescue operation if this is what this is, it is certainly something that requires a lot of precise, action but lesson, telegenic and a very concerted effort to go in very precisely. >> my quick question here is, i was just texting with an idf spokesperson, i asked if there were evacuations today of patients into the hospital, because we know yesterday there were, where the thousands of people -- were sheltering outside. they said they could not comment beyond what the idf had said publicly. that is a question here. can you carry out part of an operation through the hospital and everyone else is fine? what does that look like? >> it really depends on the geography of the hospital. we know the al-shifa compound has multiple buildings, so there are certainly the possibility that they could have honed in from a military perspective on one particular area if they believe the hostages are there for example, where if they believe the command center is there for hamas. but if that is the case, then, yes it is possible for other people to stay in that area without being harmed, but it is certainly risky and there are situations where if there is an overflow of personnel from the command center, where if there is an overflow of the hostages from one area to the other, that could complicate things. so it is a very risky situation. we don't yet know precisely where everything is in terms of where the people are, and even which buildings they have used for each specific activity. we do know at least we're intelligence folks know where the operation rooms are from the hospital, where the maternity ward would-be and things like that. so those are the kinds of things that would be part of a preparation, and preparation of an operation like this. >> given that, what does it look, like it is for clark in the morning in gaza right, now how does that factor in to the fact it is nighttime, and they are going in? we know there's armored vehicles, we have heard a bit about a doctor there who said they could hear firefight, but that is basically the extent of what we have been able to learn from the ground in gaza. >> so special person's off to in a current because the night is a special operators friend. in essence, the use goggles, these other systems to basically penetrate the darkness. and they are banking on the fact that the might surprise, that they might be able to have the hamas fighters not be able to grab any night vision goggles they might have. so they're hoping for a surprise, they are hoping to basically take them out while they can. >> do we know if hamas has night vision goggles? do they have that capability? >> they don't have any -- but night vision goggles can be oh purchased on the open market, so it is something they should suppose they have. and be prepared for that as well. >> and when you look at this, is this something that can be carried out as they go and look at this? the white house is saying we don't want firefights inside hospitals, we don't want strikes above, what is their option here? >> so they're option is what they are doing right now, kaitlan, which is a commanded raid, and that is how that would, work it is a very precise very targeted operation. if you bomb something, it is going to be much less precise, even with precision ammunitions, and the white house is basically telling the israelis, be as precise as he possibly can be. if you have the intelligence to go after targets like this, when they think there might be hostages or a command center, and do that and use -- as precisely method as you can and commando raid on those. >> thank you so much for your expertise on this highly needed at this moment. also joining us tonight, axios foreign policy reporter. i'm just curious, right off the, of you heard from sources tonight about what the purpose of this operation is? >> get, evening kaitlan. so again, right now, i think all we know is what the idf has publicly said. i don't have anything for you other than that. i think this operation is taking place as we speak right now, and i have to say i don't think the idf would go into the hospital, and take -- carry out such an operation if there wasn't high value target inside, either a very senior hamas official who was hiding their, or hostages. i don't think they would go in for any other reason. >> okay, that could be important, here because they say this is a precise operation. so that seems to indicate you they are going after a pretty specific target here. >> yes. definitely. look, it is a high-risk operation, and all eyes are on she for hospital for several days now. and if this thing arrives at the white house daily briefing then this means that everyone are looking at the hospital, and what is going on there. there are thousands of people there people who are just taking shelter gasoline civilians. so if you go on such an operation in the middle of the night it means you know there is something there that is worth it, that is worth the risk, and that if you do, it and if you manage to do it, you are going to get a lot of benefits out of it. >> what do you make of the timing given john kirby from the white house is bringing this up earlier on air force one, we have now learned president biden and prime minister netanyahu had another conversation today. is the white house pretty specific warnings about what they thought was acceptable to have been inside a hospital? >> yes so right after this operation started, an hour ago, i asked white house officials whether the fact that john kirby said what he said in the briefing, whether that can insinuate that they had any early notice about what was going to happen. they said it is not the case but i think we will know more details about that as things develop. i think if this is really an operation to release hostages, i'm pretty sure that the u.s. got some sort of early notification. >> so they seem to be thing they had, it you believe they had. there's a question here of whether or not there are hostages potentially inside that complex. i should note, we do not know. president biden sounded very hopeful today about the potential for a deal being made. what are you hearing from sources on if they are closer to a deal for hostages, or if they are just as far as they were last week? >> i think what describes it best, for several days, now we have been in the situation of almost almost not good enough, meaning we are very close, but every time, every day, there is something else that comes up, sort of at the last minute and shows there are still gaps between the parties. i think what they are trying to find now is this balance between the number of hostages that hamas is willing to release, and the number of days that the israel is willing to give for some sort of a temporary cease-fire. i don't think they found this balance yet. israeli war cabinet convened earlier tonight for several hours. i still don't know the results of that meaning. i think we will see more developments in the coming days, -- president biden and senior middle east advised it will be in qatar on sunday. he will be in israel tomorrow. so i think things are moving, but i'm not sure we are there yet, and, especially by the way, if what we see now at al-shifa hospital is indeed an operation to release hostages, that opens up the whole story and we will start from scratch. >> great importing, thank you very much. coming up, it looks like on capitol hill, the federal government is not going to be shutting down in just three days, but the quorum on capitol hill may have totally disintegrated today. one senator challenged -- to a fight, a sitting member of congress accuse the former speaker of sucker punching him in the back. he is also here, we will talk to him next. plus georgia prosecutors seeking an emergency protective order after the leak of those confidential videos you saw here last night, and the trump elelection intnterference e cas. >> it appears the osborne loosen capitol hill today, there was some good news, the house passed a bill so the government likely want overtake shut down, we are waiting to see what the senators with it. that is their basic duty to keep the government open and funded, yet attentions are still erupting basically everywhere. speaker mike johnson seemed to call it today. >> members have been here for ten weeks, and this place is a pressure cooker. >> ten whole weeks, a pressure cooker me be a steel cage match. because just minutes before we heard that assessment from the new speaker, anger came to a tipping point between the old speaker, and one of the eight republicans who voted to oust him. congressman -- of tennessee, claiming he now was sucker punched in the back by kevin mccarthy. we also have audio of just this entire incident, so you can hear for yourself what happened. >> and -- i'm sorry, kevin, did it mean to you. why did you all moment back kevin? a kevin, you have any guts? >> jerk. >> the reporter said it, without what kind of chicken with is the? you are so pathetic. what a jerk. you need security, kevin? >> it did not and there, mccarthy later denied hitting, him saying if i punch someone, they would be on the ground >> there was a plane shot to the kidney, you just don't expect a guy who was at one time three steps away from the white house to sucker punch you, in the hallway. >> i would not elbow him, i would not hit him in the kidney. >> i did not hit the guy, i did not kidding, but irma did not do anything like that. >> you did not shove him? >> no. >> these are taxpayer funded lawmakers i'm talking about here. i should note, congressman is your life, we will speak to majestic and. just to give you a full picture of the crazy on capitol hill today, where if i told you that is senator challenged a witness at a hearing to stand his butt up and fight. when that off accepted only to be broken up before it came to blows by senator bernie sanders. >> if you want to run your mouth, we can reduce consenting, adults we can finish here. >> that is, fine perfect. >> you want to do it now? >> i would love to do right now. >> hold on. >> stop it. stop it. sit down. sit down. you are united states enter. >> no, you are not imagining things. you just saw that. that was republican senator markwayne mullin from oklahoma picking a physical fight with the teamsters president sean o'brien in what was supposed to be a hearing on libra unions. but that is not all of it. there was more blowing over in that congressional pressure cooker today. i present to you, james comer, their public and chairman of the house oversight committee, and democrat congressman jared moskowitz. >> that is -- you look like a smurf here just -- >> you are doing stuff, you american people half -- why should they believe -- >> you have already been proven a liar. >> who has proven me ally? are you? >> yes. >> all of that actually happened just today within the span of a few hours in congress, the people's house, not to be junior high school. let's go straight to the source now is tennessee republican congressman -- tim you just heard kevin mccarthy there, then eyeing what you said, what is the response to that? >> thank you for having me on this. i noticed we got to the part about, that his voice got a few octaves higher, i don't know if you call that a, not that is a pretty good indicator. i actually never said it in the beginning, it was -- from npr, if you follow her on twitter, you will see she actually documented the whole series of events pretty well, and i was called by reporters about it when i was on the house floor because i was -- and there wasn't any reporters around when it happened just her. it was in the hallway outside the republican conference meeting, and i was standing there, and i got somebody hit me in the back, and eileen forward a bit and she said i've been here a longtime, i've never seen anything like that. and i turn to kevin, and i said something to him and he of course as he, does he had his security detail and marched off and i went to confront him about it. but i think it just shows to america why the eight of us did what we did. this is the man that was three steps away from the white house. i wish we could get back to talking about a balanced budget, or building a wall between us and mexico, maybe or even talking about helping out the folks in israel, but this is the kind of things that folks like kev do and it is a big distraction. >> so just to be clear, u.s. thing he's lying when you say he didn't hit you? >> yes, ma'am. all you have to do is read what the lady from npr said. i think that is, you know, and pr, you know my voting record, if you, know every conservative rating agency of the country rates me in the top 90%, so i dare say i would not be a friend to a lot of the npr listeners. so she has no reason to cover for me. >> you are saying, he petunia kidneys, are you in pain tonight? have you seen a doctor? >> no, and it doesn't really matter. that is not the point at all. even if i was, i would not talk about it. i'm not filing an ethics complaint on any of, this it is just a sad asterisks on the end of his career. >> you seem to think that -- do you believe this had something to do with the fact that you did vote to estimate how speaker? >> absolutely, ma'am. there's only eight of us. those 435 congressman standing in a hallway, and then he you've at least four different explanations. one is that he was brushing my, side another when he said he did not see me i wasn't there, another one he said something else and then a final one he said he -- that kind of thing. it is just pathetic is what it is. like i said, i'm not the, one eye having commented on on, twitter i haven't put it on twitter, -- and pr so i was just -- answering the questions from their porters like you're self. it was just an unfortunate situation. >> he said if he punch someone, they would be on the ground. i mean, congressman, we have had on and, before we have talked about what is going on on capitol hill. republicans today did not exactly covered themselves in glory between this playing out, what happened was senator mullin, what happened with chairman comer calling congressman a smurf at a hearing. i mean, this is pretty juvenile stuff for a bunch of lawmakers, isn't it embarrassing for house republicans and republican senators? >> i can't speak for the rest of, them i can't speak for kevin mccarthy, but i think it is indicative of the type of person he has, and why he has shown is in the past he made fun of me for praying over my decision on what to do about him, and today he walked behind, it was obviously the lady from npr who put it out on twitter, and i think it had over 4 million views if you can believe that. it is pretty much viral i would say. then he denied, it but he said he was going to comment talked me about it. >> did he call? you >> heck no. he did not call me. >> would you pick up if you? then >> absolutely i would. it is just disappointing that is the way he's going to end his career, spiraling out of control. it is disappointing because we should be dealing with the budget, and all these are the things i said which are really in a crisis stage right now. people like himself, it is all about, them and their childish activities. >> your pretty blunt, congressman, you often see peak your mind on this, program if he did call you would you say to him? >> you know, i would forgive him. i have said several prayers for him today. i sometimes really -- inside his hard right now, and he is going to continue doing these type of activities, and is going to continue to cause some embarrassment in front of his family and district, and frankly the republican caucus, it should be on, him but that seems to be the way it goes. i would hope you can find some peace in his life, because going out bitter like this is another way to go. he was three steps away from being in the white house, and that is the way he is going out, and that is just a sad commentary on him, nothing else. >> congressman, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you so much for having me on. always a pleasure. >> as i mentioned, that was not the only crazy thing to have been in washington today. we barely touched on the senator who challenged a committee witness fight or chairmen, colleague not only that smirk comment but also a layer. to break down what is going on on capitol hill, where at least shy, nanna batches h here next.. >> a senator looking to throw down with a witness, the same day the speaker the house is accused of sucker punching one of the republican conference. this from the same conference, where members had to be held back from brawling on the floor. remember that, not that long ago? last month, also during that closed-door meeting, when we heard that it had to basically end because some members were worried that fists were going to start flying, for more on all this, i am joined tonight by cnn's chief political correspondent dana bash, the host of inside politics and state of the union. dana bash, you covered capitol hill for forever, you know that place better than almost anyone. what's happening? what's going on? >> what's going on? [laughter] you know, tensions are quite high, and that is obvious. and i think one of the main differences between now and what we have seen before is that you have sort of seen the erosion, and i'm kind of obsessed with this, the erosion of shame in our politics. certainly, for the past eight years, where people who are -- democrats and republicans, who are historically more withheld, they withhold rather they are emotions, because they want to look like a gentlemen, that's just, we are not seeing that anymore. now having said that, kaitlan, way before our time in the 1800s, we definitely saw a different version of this. i mean, charles sumner was caned, because of something really important like the end of slavery, he was a senator who was caned and he was really heart. and then when you think about shame, they used to have a more refined way of fighting, they used to have duels. i mean we all know now thanks to lin-manuel miranda. that that is how alexander hamilton died. so it is not as if tensions didn't get high, they just expressed in a very different way. and of course, they expressed it without cameras everywhere, and without social media. >> dana, i'm so glad you brought to the 1800s, because we were thinking about the 1800s earlier today [laughter] , when senator mullin. >> as one does. >> when the one senator that we saw today, trying to fight a witness in today's hearing. i mean he went to the point of taking off his wedding ring, which i loved. our capitol reporter melanie zanona said it was the equivalent of taking off her earrings. he was on tv tonight, talking about what his response to that. i want everyone to listen to what he said. >> keep in mind too, this isn't anything new, andrew jackson challenged two people or nine people to a dual when he was president. and he also knocked one guy out at a white house dinner. there has been canings in the senate too. maybe we should bring some of that back, it will keep people from thinking they are so tough. >> maybe we should bring some of that back. [laughter] >> i'm not sure that's really the answer. look, in his case if you go back, he has had a very tense and very hot relationship, not just tense, hot relationship with the teamsters president, who he almost threw down today. i mean, the teamsters president was tweeting and kind of egging him on, which is what spurred what happened today. kaitlan, you'll appreciate this. when all of this was going down, there were text threads happening. then one of our producers on state of the union, greg hughes, who is not only funny, but quite evolved, said this is just proof that men are just too emotional to lead. [laughter] [laughter] >> oh, greg. i mean. >> mic drop. >> speaking of men and mics, to look at the bigger picture of this, because it's not just happening in a vacuum, it's not just one incidence, these three incidences occurred within moments of one another, in the span of a few hours on capitol hill today. it was less than two weeks ago and that when speaker mike johnson, speaker mike johnson got the gavel, that he said this about what the republican party on capitol hill was looking like. >> i was just in a republican conference meeting, and there is such a great feeling of a spree duke or among house republicans. we're not only unified, we are energized. >> how do you deal with this, this kind of conference going forward, trying to get things passed and get things done? >> well, he is also the speaker who just today said we gotta get out of here because tensions are so high. so he learned very very quickly the reality. and he has been a witness to it, he certainly hasn't been there very long, but he has been there long have to understand how incredibly high the tensions. look, we're sort of making light of it. but it is indicative of some real problems with our democracy that people who are in elected positions can't handle things in a way that is not just basic decorum, but in a way that you introduced your segment like this, caitlin, that you'd want your children to acolyte, that you'd want your little children to act like, you're middle school children, anybody in your life. and this is -- let's hope that there is a sense of, like, embarrassment that everybody kind of gets their act together. but it's unclear that that's going to happen anytime soon. i'm sure you would agree. >> yeah. amazing that they were saying that this is what happens when lawmakers spend just ten weeks on capitol hill. i think a lot of people say they spend a lot longer at work and don't act like that in their workplaces. >> [laughter] >> dana bash, as always, thank you. and we'll see you tomorrow on inside politics at noon eastern. we're going to go back to our breaking news next. we began with israeli forces right now are conducting a raid on the largest hospital complex in gaza. this is happening the same day that thousands of people marched for israel in washington, d.c., in support of israel, including many the relatives of the hostages who have been kidnapped by hamas. a familyly member fofor one of those wiwill join meme next. >> we're continuing to moderately breaking news happening right now at the al-shifa hospital in gaza, where israeli troops say they are carrying out what they described as a precise and targeted operation against hamas. thousands of civilians are known to be inside that hospital or sheltering around it. the idf has claimed that hamas has a command center under it, a claim that i should not hamas and hospital officials have denied, but one that is backed up by the u.s. government as recently as today. this -- in gaza comes hours after a massive display of solidarity with israel that we saw play out in the streets of washington. tens of thousands of people converged on the national mall trying to show force against antisemitism will also demanding the release of the hostages still being held by hamas in gaza. my next guest was at that march for israel for her and uncle, who are believed to be among the 239 hostages. awfully high guy joins me now. of free, thank you so much for being here after the state. i wonder what it meant for you to see those thousands of people rally in washington today, demanding the release of people like your aunt and your uncle. >> first of all i want to thank you for providing me the platform to be able to come here and to share the story of my family. i attended today the rally. i was very excited to see all those people come from all over the states to support us, to be with us, to share the words that everything needs to be done to bring all of our loved ones back home as soon as possible. i'm very happy i came from israel. i lived in israel but, and i came especially to the united states for this reason, to raise the awareness, to raise the support, to bring all of our hostage back home as soon as possible. >> and i know you've been meeting with lawmakers while you've been here in the united states. i mean, how hopeful are you tonight when you hear messages from president biden about the hostages, like the one that he had today about the release of your aunt and your uncle happening? >> i'm very hopeful because this is the best thing i can do at the moment to be hopeful, to hope for the best. i just want to share a bit about my uncle and aunt, if i may. my uncle and aunt both are american citizens, gary and jody hagai, they live near kibbutz oz. both retired in their 70s. every morning, they went on their daily walk. on this horrible saturday, october 7th, they went on their daily walk to the field of the kibbutz. around six say left the kibbutz, there are 6:30, the massive attack of rockets started from gaza. my aunt filmed on her phone and the rockets above them, and she shared in a whatsapp group, saying that both of them are facing down on the ground. a few minutes after around seven, apparently they were ambushed by terrorists on a motorcycle. they had been shot, they have been deadly wounded. but my aunt judy managed to call the paramedic of the kibbutz, of kibbutz but nir oz. she asked for help, a help that never came. and ever since then, we don't know what happened to them. we don't know where they are. they were gone but. this phone call was the last that anyone talked with her. a few hours after the call for help, their phones were located in gaza. so the idf identified them as held hostage in gaza. >> okay. >> both of them loving life, love their -- had four kids, seven grandkids. they're very healthy, they don't take any medicine, they eat very healthy food, they exercise. they just -- like each one of us, love life and wants to enjoy as much as they can. a couple elderly went on their daily walk and never came back. and that's why i came here, not only to attend the rallies, but also to meet with, people to raise the awareness, to make sure none of our hostage have been forgotten. and to make sure everything is done to bring them home. and since both of them are american, we are -- i'm here on behalf of my family and the rest of the hostage to increase and raise support that we can from the american public. >> well, ofri, you are doing just that tonight. and i can't even imagine what these last several weeks have been like. and just the hell. and thank you for coming on to share about the -- we will be thinking of you, and of course, of your aunt and uncle. and will stay in touch with you. thank you, ofri hagai. >> think you so much, i very much appreciate it, thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll continue to monitor that situation with the hostages, as working from the white house on. that also, what is happening tonight on the ground in gaza's as we're trying to learn more. we also have news here at home on the timing of donald trump's of coming election, and his election trial in georgia, whether a verdict could happen even before the 2024 election. the prosecutors seem to indicate after, potentially. we'll tell you hurtftful commen, next. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the district attorney in georgia offering a new timeline today in that case against donald trump and 14 of his allies, accused of carrying out a criminal enterprise to overturn, at least to try, to the 2020 presidential election results. fani willis believes that trial could now stretch into early 2025. >> i believe the trial will take many months. and i don't expect that we will conclude into the winter or the very early part of 2025. >> that could mean by the time that there is a verdict donald trump could potentially be the president elect or back in the white house. i'm joined now by what that could mean and what that could look like by former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia, michael moore. i know this is a lot of hypotheticals. i understand that, michael. but if that does happen and trump is reelected, which we don't know that he will be, this is a state case. so what happens? >> well, i'm glad to be with you. it is hypothetical in the sense that we are all guessing who's going to have which trial first, whether it's gonna be the federal case or we get to the state case. but if he were reelected and if the case were going on, my guess is that the trial would probably be immediately stopped. because there is a general rule that a president needs to be able to focus on those things that he needs to do as president. and in fact, he can't be bothered with state court actions during the time that he's president the united states. and you've seen that from time to time. you remember some cases that were put on hold while he was president of the united states. so i think that's probably what would happen. but. i think it's an optimistic view to think that would even be getting to the trial by election time in this case. and i think it's more likely that we won't even start before the election. >> so who makes that decision? is that -- if that is what happens while we're in a hypothetical and, here is that a fani willis decision, is that a justice department decision? i mean, who makes that call? >> well, it's going to be a gaggle of judges who are making their own trial galleries. you've got the case down in florida that's been schedule now for the middle of next year. and that is going to block out a lot of time for the counter. then the state courts, that's typically federal courts to take priority over state cases. so the state case would be in limbo a little bit as they're waiting on mom that federal trial will go. but you've also got all of these defendants in this r.i.c.o. case in georgia. and i think it's still unlikely that the judge tries all these people together. so i think you're going to see kind of two waves and it will depend on which when he decides to put first, if trump's in the first wave or the second wave, or potentially even a third wave. as they go forward. so the judge says the calendar is the charge of the courtroom. but again, we have issues with appeals court, matters that are taken, out it's going to delay the case as well. >> michael moore, a lot to look forward, to thankfully we have you to at least assess some of it. thank you so much for your time tonight. >> always a pleasure. >> tonight, another update as well on the man who is accused of attacking nancy pelosi's husband paul pelosi, today breaking down on the stand. emotional testimony that was laced with conspiracies, next.