now it's ivanka trump's turn. donald trump's elder daughter on the witness stand and under oath in her father's civil fraud trial. what she just said about his allegedly inflated net worth. >> and democrats do it again, beating expectations on election night despite weak poll numbers for the party's leader, president biden. some top republicans calling last night a complete failure. ahead of the gop's third presidential debate. so how will the candidates respond? and where's donald trump? plus, the u.s. warning israel against reoccupying gaza after their war with hamas is over. so what should the long-term plan be? we're following these major developing stories and many more all coming in right here to "cnn news central". >> today ivanka trump is on the stand testifying in a new york courtroom as the fate of herr father's business empire hangs in the balance. the former trump organization executive is not a defendant in the $250 million civil fraud trial. an appellate court removed ivanka from the case earlier this year. but her father and two adult brothers, eric and don jr. and their company are defendants, accused of participating in a decades-long scheme to inflate assets to secure more favorable loans. court just broke for lunch. kara scannell has been there for the testimony. what has been revealed so far, kara? >> reporter: well, pamela, ivanka trump has been on the stand for about 2 1/2 hours. and they've gone through some of the deals that she worked on while she was at the trump organization and that are part of this lawsuit including the doral golf course in florida and the old post office building in washington, d.c. now, on the doral project they've shown her e-mails where she's acknowledging she was negotiating different terms for these -- for the loan they wanted to take out, shopping it around to different banks, ultimately going with deutsche bank's private wealth group with donald trump's personal guarantee. that allowed them to get a lower interest rate. but when she was asked about that she said it wasn't something she considered at the time that they would have a different rate offered by one side of the bank and a better rate offered by another side of the bank. so distancing herself a bit from that. they also talked about an apartment that she owns here in manhattan, a penthouse, that had an option to buy it for $8.5 million one year. in her father's financial statements it, though, was listed at $20.8 million, so about 2 1/2 times more than what her option was. when she was pressed on that, she also distanced herself saying "i wasn't involved in his statements of financial condition, so i can't say what it took into account or what it didn't take into account." now, when we moved over to the old post office building, this was a deal she was heavily involved with in negotiating, getting a deal from gsa, the federal government, and also in financing the loan of this. so they started to ask questions about this, focusing her in on the proposal that the trump organization presented, which included trump's financial statements as part of their proposal. so she was shown some e-mails that indicated that gsa had some questions about the financial statements, that they did not adhere to all the accounting rules. and they were really pressing her on this, asking her about a meeting she attended in washington, d.c. with her father about this, and she said that she didn't recall them speaking about the financial statements in that meeting. instead she said they were talking about the vision for this and she was making comparisons to that old post office building that they eventually converted into a hotel and the plaza hotel in new york. one of the assistant attorneys general questioning her became frustrated because he was saying that she seems to be able to talk at great length about things like the plaza hotel but when he asks her a direct question she doesn't necessarily recall the answer because as they've tried to pin her down on some of these specific e-mails she has said she doesn't recall receiving them. she says she's not saying that it didn't happen but she has no memory of it. so her testimony being a little bit in contrast to her brothers where she is engaging more in the conversation. she does seem to remember more details of them. but also she's saying that she doesn't recall some of these specific details that the attorney general's office is trying to get down. but again, as you said, she is not a defendant in this case, so this is not questions that are really going to her state of mind, more that they're just trying to get some of this in the record that there were some questions from the gsa about the trumps' financial statements and that is because the attorney general's office is trying to use that as far as what they want to collect in terms of damages or ill-gotten gains in this case. so they have already shown documents that show that trump had sold the old post office building and got $139 million profit from that. they want to argue to the judge, who ultimately will decide this, that that is some money that they should be able to recover. so this lunch break lasts for about an hour or so. then ivanka trump will be back on the stand, still being questioned by the attorney general's office, and that will continue for as long as they think it needs to go. pam? >> all right. a lot to digest there. kara scannell, thanks so much. so to help us process everything that's been happening today, let's bring in federal and white-collar criminal defense attorney caroline polisi. what has stood out to you so far in terms of the new york attorney general's questioning of ivanka trump today? >> yeah, pam, i think kara noted quite well, what stands out is ivanka's sort of memory lapses. not surprisingly, she is playing it right down the middle. she's saying she can't recall many of these things. you know, she has really tried to distance herself both politically and legally from her father and her brothers for a while now. she fought tooth and nail not to even be here today. she fought that subpoena. a court disagreed with her and made her testify. i think she's trying to get in and out with doing as little damage as possible to her brothers and her father while, you know, maintaining sort of this air of really ignorance with respect to what was going on with the financials. i would note, you know, her tact here is not antagonistic to her brothers, which don jr. and eric sort of went the well, i just listened to the accountants route. here ivanka is just saying, well, she doesn't recall, she doesn't remember, she didn't have anything to do with the making of these financial statements. >> it's interesting, though, because the new york attorney general's lawyers presented evidence today in court showing that she actually proposed lowering donald trump's required net worth for a loan down to $2 billion despite his stated net worth of around $4 billion. so does that tell you anything about maybe awareness that his net worth may have been inflated and that she actually was more involved than perhaps she was leading on today in court on some of these other questions? >> yeah, it absolutely does, pam. and remember, as far as the attorney general goes, they would have liked to have had ivanka trump as a co-defendant in this case. she was initially on that caption. she was dismissed for procedural issues really, statute of limitations issues. so you know, as far as the attorney general's concerned she would be liable. however, as kara noted today, her purpose is one of a witness to try to sort of give insight as to the state of mind of her brothers, her father. also with respect to damages kara noted the interest rates on those loans in terms of shopping them around. part of this -- part of the trial is to determine damages, and part of the theory of damages is that even though the banks got repaid they could have charged actually higher interest rates had they known that the net worth was in fact lower for a more realistic valuation of the actual assets and instead they gave them great deals on these loans, favorable, you know, interest rates and the like. >> so does her testimony carry any different weight now that she is testifying today as a witness versus a defendant? >> i mean, yeah, absolutely, right? in terms of we always talk about in a criminal context but here it's also applicable, state of mind. no longer do we really care about ivanka's state of mind because that's what you have to prove with respect to the elements of the charges here for each co-defendant. so here we are just -- tish james's prosecutor just looking to shed more light on the general practices and procedures at trump org to get an inside look into the financials and really to authenticate some of these documents that they want to put into evidence. >> all right, caroline, thanks so much. boris? tonight could have been a florida face-off between the state's two biggest republicans, former president donald trump and current governor ron desantis. but for the third time trump is skipping a gop primary debate. so desantis will share the main debate stage with nikki haley, chris christie, senator tim scott and vivek ramaswamy. all five likely to have to weigh in on some of the red flags that emerged after the gop didn't meet expectations during last night's elections. let's discuss with former republican congressman charlie dent and former special assistant to president biden michael la rosa. gentlemen, thanks so much for being with us. charlie, first to you. top senate republicans have described last night as a complete failure. is that a fair assessment? >> yeah. republicans got wiped out just about everywhere. and i don't know what part of the abortion issue republicans haven't figured out yet. the american public doesn't want bans. and i say this as the last member of the house republican conference to vote against defunding planned parenthood and voting against the 20-week abortion ban. i've told these members for years they're on the wrong side of public opinion. post dobbs they're finding out there are real consequences. look what happened in ohio last night. by what, 13 points? issue 1 passed. not even close. glenn youngkin tried to national -- well, he tried to make this an issue by supporting a 15-week abortion ban. people didn't want to talk about abortion bans. that's what they did and they got wiped out in virginia. >> notably he didn't want to call it a ban. he tried to sort of reframe it by calling it a 15-week limit, believing that republicans could go on the offensive on this issue and win. he seemed to have been proven wrong. >> yeah. i'm not sure why they think that they will be the exception to sort of the rule we've seen -- the trends we've seen going forward -- or i'm sorry, in the past. with montana, kentucky, kansas. so that's sort of like my question, is how are they thinking politically about this in ohio and virginia? why do they think this is necessarily a good move? i was telling kasie hunt here on this network on monday that really the voting behavior and voting patterns, especially over the last three cycles, are really more indicative of now the comes than sort of polling. and i think that is exactly what happened in ohio and virginia. and i don't understand what the republicans were expecting. >> based on my own polling when i was a member, about a third of republicans support legal abortion under most circumstances. when you're dealing with independents republicans are just in a very small minority. and particularly as some states pass the six-week bans with little or no exceptions. i don't think they realize how out of step they are. and this may be a bigger issue than donald trump for them in the next election. >> it reminds me a bit of obamacare back in 2012. it's really hard to take away a right or a benefit. people usually don't like their rights taken away. >> the rhetoric may perform well among the base but when it comes to a general electorate in the case of obamacare -- >> they have to face the political consequences for decades of advocacy. >> so michael, i want to ask you about the push and pull between the democratic template and how successful it was last night in contrast to the polling we've seen for president biden. his polling numbers have been relatively lackluster. but some have argued that folks like us perhaps underestimate him. do you think -- >> i haven't heard that before. >> do you think it's sort of an underestimation of president biden or is it that he's potentially holding the party back from bigger success? >> well, it took the supreme court for democratic voters to really, really get motivated. and again, not by polling. we've seen it in special elections, all over the place. we've seen it -- we saw it in the midterms. abortion we know is a critical motivating tool. kentucky -- now, governor beshear has been an incredible governor. he's been through hell basically in his first term with tornadoes, flooding, school shootings. he's been an excellent source of comfort for that state. he's also running against a casey in pennsylvania. he's a household name. his father was elected twice, he was elected prior to joe biden. i'm not sure how much joe biden had to do with governor beshear's victory. but i do know that what governor beshear did is a template for democrats and that is to focus on emotional issues like a very gutsy well-produced tv ad -- >> abortion. >> tv ad they led with, which was controversial, especially in his state. but he was gutsy, he took a chance, he took a risk and it was smart. >> charlie, i want to zero in on the numbers with you because in the 2020 cycle former president trump led joe biden in zero head-to-head polls in that cycle. so far this cycle he's led in 14 polls thus far. tying it back to tonight's republican debate. doesn't that make it harder for those other republicans on that stage to make the case that they're the candidate to beat joe biden? >> it does. but i think the number i'd be focusing on if i were those republican candidates is 2/3 of the american public don't want joe biden or donald trump. they think one is too old, biden, and one is too crazy, trump. and based on the recent polling crazy was beating old, but this is a year out. so i don't like to ascribe too much to these polls a year out. but these candidates running against trump have to tear the bark off of him, explain why he is unfit. they have not done that other than chris christie. they've always been running for second place or running for a spot in the trump white house as a vice president or some other position. but they don't seem like they're serious about winning. and they have to make the argument that trump has brought nothing but defeat to the republican party since he was elected in 2016, that he has made losing great again. and that these are the things i think republicans need to focus on. i've run many times. you know, if i was always out in front, they're always attacking me. that's what they should do. and that's what they need to do to trump, they need to tear him down. >> michael? >> and democrats are desperately looking for inspiration from the president to do the same. they're looking for him to tear the bark off of donald trump and the republicans, people like jim comer and the other guy in the judiciary jim jordan who are constantly going after and -- going after him, attacking his family, attacking his reputation. and the key number i always like to look at is not so much the head-to-heads but the personal favorabilities and unfavorables. it's hard to put the lever and vote for someone you just don't like personally. and that was the case -- if you look at the senate seats in pennsylvania, arizona, nevada, georgia, it didn't matter how close the race was head to head. democratic candidates consistently outpolled the republicans and joe biden on favorability. now, according to your poll, that is where the president needs to do some work. >> yeah. >> needs to improve on his image and his reputation that has been severely dented. and i think they need to -- i echo a lot of people, cable news personalities and -- >> sure. >> -- democrats who would like to see him start throwing a punch. >> more aggressive approach. >> a more aggressive approach. i mean, it did not -- the swift boating of john kerry is something that should not be forgotten or the e-mails of hillary clinton or michael dukakis. you have to respond in a 21st century media environment. you have to. >> michael larosa, charlie dent, we have to leave the conversation there. two fellows with very high fafshlth ratings on cnn. thanks for being with us. still to come secretary of state antony blinken says it is clear that israel cannot occupy gaza at the end of this war, but there may be a need for i a transition period. we have more on the implications, what that could mean. and back in the united states, congresswoman rashida tlaib is censured over controversial comments she made about israel, a move that has bitterly divided some members of her own party. and later, the sun may be setting on panda diplomacy. two giant pandas flying out of washington headed back home to china this hour, leaving only a handful left in the united states. we'll explain why china says they want their r bears backck. nothing is left. that's how some palestinians are describing gaza city just one month since israel's war on hamas began. thousands are now arriving in the southern part of the enclave after fleeing the north through an evacuation corridor set up by the israeli military. right now doctors in gaza say they are running out of medical supplies and one hospital says it's being forced to scale back on most of its operations because it's running out of fuel. today secretary of state antony blinken reiterated u.s. objections to an immediate ceasefire in gaza, though he did seem to respond to prime minister benjamin netanyahu's remarks about israel having overall security responsibility for an indefinite period in gaza once the conflict ends. listen to this. >> one, gaza cannot be -- continue to be run by hamas. it's also clear that israel cannot occupy gaza. now the reality is that there may be a need for some transition period at the end of the conflict, but it is imperative that the palestinian people be central to governance in gaza and in the west bank as well. and that again, we don't see a reoccupation. >> let's take you now live to israel with cnn's jeremy diamond, who's in tel aviv for us. so jeremy, bring us up to speed. what's the latest? >> reporter: well, boris, the humanitarian situation in gaza clearly continues to deteriorate. beyond simply the stunning number of casualties in gaza, with the palestinian ministry of health, which is controlled by hamas, now putting that figure at over 10,500 people who have died in this month of war, we're also seeing the impact on the living inside of gaza. medical supplies, doctors running out of medical supplies at key locations. al quds hospital in gaza city now scaling back most of its operations to try and simply maintain minimal services amid shortages of fuel. israel is still refusing to allow fuel into gaza, claiming that hamas would take advantage and use that fuel for its military purposes. the palestinian red crescent society for its part says that a humanitarian aid convoy was struck by the israeli air force, israeli defense forces yet to confirm that. but amid all of that, amid that picture of despair and desperation inside of gaza we are now seeing the gathering of foreign ministers for the g7 are now calling for a humanitarian pause to support the delivery of humanitarian aid to allow for civilians to escape and also for these negotiations for the release of hostages to go forward. but they are stopping short as the u.s. secretary of state did of calling for a ceasefire in general. now, it appears that that's similar to the position of the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, who has ruled out a ceasefire but has said that perhaps tactical little pauses as he called them could potentially be humanitarian pauses that he would be open to that. now, amid all of this israel is trying to get civilians out from the north of gaza to the south. they've established a humanitarian corridor. and we have seen several thousand palestinians appear to take advantage of that. but amid all of this israel is showing no slowing down in its ground offensive. its military now says that it is operating in the heart of gaza city and it will continue until it achieves its objective of destroying hamas. boris? >> a small but significant shift in the rhetoric there from netanyahu. jeremy diamond in tel aviv for us. thanks so much. pamela? >> all right, boris, joining us now to discuss is democratic congressman jason crow of colorado. thanks for coming on, congressman. you have secretary of state blinken emphasizing again today that israel cannot occupy gaza in response to netanyahu saying israel will have security responsibility in gaza for a, quote, indefinite period after this war ends. does this tell you that the u.s. and israel are at odds in messaging? >> well, pam, secretary blinken is absolutely right. the situation in gaza is untenable. it is a humanitarian crisis and it must change course quickly. otherwise, we're going to continue to see civilian casualties mount. but he's also right in that there's no going back here. we can't go back in time to before october 7th. that's not tenable. hamas is a brutal terrorist organization and cannot be allowed to continue. it has to be dismantled by israel. but we also know there's no going back to before 2005, the last time israeli troops occupied gaza in a significant way. that is not tenable. that did not work. it did not work for decades. and there's no reason to believe that would work going forward here. so we need a third path. i continue to believe that's going to be engaging with the regional powers, the arab nations to come to the table and establish security and put us back on a pathway to a viable palestinian state and a secure israel. >> but i mean realistically how does that happen? who actually wants that responsibility? you know, who has the support to do it? in theory i see what you're saying. but in reality practically do you think that that would actually happen? >> well, what i do know is that the events of the next couple of weeks are going to determine the viability of that path. making sure that we make the protection of civilians and the reduction of civilian casualties and civilian harm in gaza and in the west bank a priority will help create the conditions for those arab nations to engage. they have a shared history. they have solidarity with the palestinian people. they have an interest in making sure that the palestinian people have a future, and we have to make sure that we're addressing the short-term crisis at the same time as we're addressing long-term discussions. and i know the administration is working very hard to do that. >> and i want to get to civilian deaths in just a moment. but first, just to follow up on that, you know, big picture here, look, hamas has leadership all over the world. its leadership is in qatar for the most part. its political branch. this is an organization that is not just in gaza. so how does israel actually dismantle the organization? how do you prevent hamas from filling up any power vacuum again after this war? you know, given the fact that they're all over the place. they're not just in gaza. >> yeah, pam. that point is a critical point. the united states spent 20 years at war against terrorism. we spent $3.5 trillion, countless american and lives around the world to dismantle al qaeda and isis. and guess what? al qaeda and isis are still alive and even growing in some places. so the lesson of our 20-year war on terror is that you cannot by military means dismantle a terrorist organization because that is an ideology. what you can do with the military is you can create the conditions, you can contain it and you can suppress it. but ultimately you have to bring to bear humanitarian aid, political solutions and diplomatic solutions to undercut the ideology of these terrorist organizations and remove all of the base of its support to end terrorism. that is the lesson of our 20-year war on terror that frankly we have still yet to learn, that i think we could help israel learn here in this instance as well. >> so would you say israel's stated goal of eradicating hamas in gaza is unrealistic, point blank? >> well, you can use the military to contain and to suppress it. but unless they actually have a humanitarian component, we mitigate civilian casualties and we engage in diplomacy, you'll never fully wipe out hamas. i believe that very, very ardently. and listen, every time you do a bombing mission or precision strike and civilians get killed you create more terrorists. right? the anger and the animosity that comes out of those strikes oftentimes multiplies your problem. so you can't just go after one hamas commander and if you end up killing civilians in the process you're actually creating more problem than you're solving. so we have to choose a different path. there's a way of doing that with a surgical sustained counterterror operation. but it's a little bit different path than what we're seeing right now. >> but very quickly because we're running out of time unfortunately and it's a double-barrel question here. you tweeted, "this should not have happened. i have fought wars in crowded cities when civilians were present. it changed our plans. terrorists often use humans as shields but that does not change your obligations to protect civilians, period." so does israel need to do a better job of listening to these warnings and how do you actually avoid civilian deaths when hamas uses these civilians as human shields and their tunnels or ambulances? >> well, one thing i want to make clear right now is the significant difference between hamas and israel. hamas is a terrorist organization that specifically targets civilians. they're preventing civilians from leaving gaza. they're using them as human shields. they're building their command centers under hospitals. they are specifically targeting and using civilians. contrast that with israel, that tries to avoid civilian casualties. but these are hard situations. these are hard militarily. you can always do better. and i've been pushing to do better. so there are situations where i think given my experience sometimes you make a decision not to strike a target. even if there's a legitimate military objective or commander on site. if there are civilians present, you avoid and you find a different way of doing it because it is so important to protect innocent lives in combat, in pursuit of your larger long-term goal of safety and stability and humanitarian rights that you sometimes defer shorter-term objectives in the process. >> all right, congressman jason crow, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> well, his republican opponent hit the debate stage former president trump is rallying for hispanic support on the campaign stage. more on this strategy up next. in a crisis caused by a terrorist massacre. warning civilians to clear out, while hamas forces them back. allowing in food and water, which hamas steals. he won't be at the debate, but former president donald trump will be taking a different stage tonight. he's courting voters at a counterrally in the predominantly latino city of hialeah. hialeah's like 95% hispanic. it's notably my hometown. a cnn poll shows that trump currently carries 46% of the latino vote among registered voters. that's a big jump from 2020 when that number was only 32%. cnn national correspondent kristen holmes is in hialeah for us. and kristen, president biden's poll numbers, he's still in the lead, but in the single digits and he won among latino voters in the last election by some 30 points. so this is significant ground for trump. >> reporter: yeah, this is a really critical voting bloc to donald trump. we know that he is going to give a speech that focuses on hispanic voters. you talk about 2020. well, even then he had made a significant amount of traction among hispanic voters than what we saw back in 2016 and far more turnout. now, biden's still got the majority, but trump's team really believes that they can make inroads with hispanic voters. and i did speak to a number of people here. obviously, no surprise that everyone here is an avid rampant supporter of donald trump. many of the voters i spoke to were even wearing his mug shot on a shirt, wearing shirts that say "never surrender." obviously indicating that trump's legal woes are not having any impact on their support. but this is really part of a larger strategy that trump's team is taking to try and find different voting blocs outside of trump's traditional base that they think are going to be critical not only in 2024 in a general election should trump be the nominee but also in the primary here in florida. that is something they are watching carefully. we know they're actually going to launch ads on hispanic media, television and radio, all targeting his panic voters that they believe are going to eventually help them. and one other thing i'll note is that yesterday trump actually also taped an interview with univision that's going to air tomorrow. it's part of a larger strategy as they eye the general election trying to figure out what blocs of voters outside trump's traditional base they might be able to siphon away votes from. >> kristen, i hope you enjoy your time in hialeah. i'll try to get one of my primos, my cousins to take you some pastelitos, some lovely pastries down there. appreciate the reporting. still to come on news central a breakthrough in vegas. hospitality workers reaching a tentative deal with caesars. but the threat of a major strike in sin city is not over yet. details from vegas in just moments. you're probably not easily persuaded to switch mobile providers for your business. but what if we told you it's possible that comcast business mobile can save you up to 75% a year on your wireless bill versus the big three carriers? 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the three took their final stroll through the zoo this morning after being towed away in fedex shipping containers and boarding that flight. it ends more than 50 years of so-called panda diplomacy at the national zoo. joining us now, wildlife and conservation expert, jeff corwin. hi, jeff! so i think one of the big questions today, of course, is, how are these pandas able to make it through such a long flight? like, what typically happens to prepare them for a trip like this? what accommodations are they going to have on this flight? we all want to know. >> well, good afternoon, guys. i'm delighted to be with you, but it's sort of a heartbreaking day today. pandas have always been a part of the american national history landscape. people from around the north america have gone to incredible places like the atlanta zoo or to our national zoo to witness these incredible ambassadors to wild china, and now they are going away. but they will survive this journey. no box has been left unchecked. every "i" has been dotted, every "t" has been crossed to ensure that they will arrive back to their ancestral home, safely, well fed, and probably ready to continue their 19-hour-long nap. because pandas love to sleep. >> just like me. >> a 19-hour flight. i feel like you have to take a nap. i hope you're getting some bamboo, some refreshments while they're waiting. we're looking at the crate right now that they're getting shipped i in. >> they're getting the ultimate all you can eat asian buffet on their way to china. all the bamboo, all the carrots, the sweet potatoes to their heart's content. they will be well fed when they arrive home. but it is a sad day, because we think they're a part of our legacy, but in fact, we never owned these pandas. they always belonged to china. and we knew that this day could come, with these very complicated political times and the adversity we have globally, china decided to take them home. >> so on that note, what does that mean for conservation efforts in the united states and education, as well? >> boris, we can have that conversation on conservation all you want. it means a lot, actually -- i even blew it pup the truth is, it's kind of heartbreaking. pandas, at zoos, generate a lot of revenue. and a lot of that revenue goes to conservation and the lion's or panda's share of that conservation goes into protecting pandas, which are incredibly dangered. it's an incredible challenge in trying to restore panda habitats. there are a lot of issues with infertility with wild pandas, a lot of their habitat is gone. so that revenue stream, the tens of millions of dollars raised every year for people who want to go see a panda, that money goes away. >> i'm so sad, too, because i love going to the zoo to see the pandas. i remember every time a baby panda was born, it was this huge deal, right? like when i was in local news here in washington, they would go all out with that. and it is, it is really sad. and it also, you know, marks the end of this like, this symbol, right? this symbol that these pandas represented of diplomatic ties between the countries, right? >> absolutely. this literally, it was a panda and some bamboo passed forward from the premiere of china to president richard nixon. his wife was there, pat nixon, to welcome the pandas to the national zoo. and again, with so many generations we're in captivity at our nation's zoos, you would think they would be a part of our legacy, but in fact, they were contractually always borrowed. we literally leased these pandas, every year, we pay a lease for them. and now they go home. but, yeah, hopefully we'll be able to see pandas come back, but now, pam, if you want to take for family to go see wild pandas, you'll have to go to mexico. because those are the only pandas that are here in the new world. >> what about atlanta? i thought they were at the atlanta zoo, too? >> oh, yes, atl -- that's correct. atlanta still has their pandas, but their lease is coming up pretty soon. hopefully they'll be able to work that through. but the other thing i want to remind you, pam, is millions of people visit zoos every year, zoos are the ultimate opportunity to learn about nature. and even though we may not have our pandas there, our national zoo, our beautiful national zoo and the atlanta zoo has so much to offer. you'll miss them, but maybe you'll go witness some other incredible creatures. >> good point. positive point on there, jeff. >> jeff corwin, appreciate the conservation conversation. got it! >> you did it! you can sleep well tonight. >> jeff, thank you for being with us. stayay with cnn.n. we'll bebe right bacack.
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