that applied for that job. but has anyone seen wolf blitzer lately? >> thank you so much for joininjoining us. tonight abby philip and d cnn news n night starts riright now. >> donald trump's testimony may need a disclaimer. that's tonight, on news night. ♪ ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm abby philip, and today a trademark trump performance inside a new york state courtroom. it was trademark for all the reasons you would expect, loud, libelous, unrepentant, uncontrolled, dominated by conduct that frankly would never be permissible for any other defendant, civil or criminal. after four hours of testimony, the former president thought that everything was just perfect. >> i think it went very well, and -- case that should have never been brought. it's a case that should be dismissed immediately. the fraud was on behalf of the court. >> with his bombastic behavior on the stand, trump tried making a mockery of the legal system. but there is more that he's reportedly planning to undermine if he gets back into the white house. we will have more on that in a moment. but of course, trump's lawyers would have you believe that they, quote, never had a witness testify better, that trump answers were, quote, brilliant and great. it's their strategy to inject a dose of the campaign into this courtroom. now trump's testimony was riddled without boris, most of them of the petty variety. and at one, point the former president even directed a high society insult at the new york state attorney general, letitia james, saying, quote, she doesn't know what a 40 wall street is. james replied on twitter don't tell, i can see it from my office window. but between the antics, there were some omissions, some damning ones. multiple times today, the former president admitted under oath that he influence the inflated values of his properties. so let's just go through what -- let's go through some of them. what about the idea that trump didn't really know what was going on with his finances inside of his own corporation? well, the defendant said, quote, i would look at them, i would see them, and i would maybe occasionally have some suggestions. what about mar-a-lago and the legally binding document the trump side in which he stated that he intended to keep it as a club and not as a residential property that could ever be developed? well, the defendant said this, quote, intend doesn't mean we will do it. now, that answer is almost clintonia. it depends on what the definition of's is. but these two it's far easier to track trump's attention. what about his apartment? that's the one he claimed was 30,000 square feet but it really was only 11,000. the defendant said this, quote, the number was too high. they lowered it after that. he also said, quote, i thought the apartment was overvalued but i never really looked into it. well, i want to bring in a witness who testified recently in this fraud trial, that's former trump attorney michael cohen, and he is the host of mea culpa and political beat down, the podcasts. he's also author of the book revenge, how donald trump weaponize the u.s. department of justice against his critics. so michael, what do you think about all of these little omissions that trump made while he was in court today testifying about his finances? >> yeah, it's really fantastic that alina halle came running down the stairs for her few minutes of news time to tell everybody that, of, course donald was brilliant, that the best witness out there, and that they schooled me. why they brought me back into the conversation today, i'm not 100% sure. but they decided to say that she schooled me. what they should be doing is not schooling me, they should be schooling donald in terms of how to respond and how to act appropriately in a court of law. that's what they really should be schooling about. >> to that very point, you said just this morning, that you expected this to turn into a circus. and you are right in a certain sense. but a source also says that trump's legal team is actually happy about how today's testimony went. do you think that they should be? >> [laughter] first of all, that's a lie. yes -- well, let me start with the first part. yes, i came on the show at 8 am this morning and i kind of refuted my friend anthony scaramucci who thought that donald would behave better. knowing donald as well as i do, i count that point and said the second they started to talk about his finances, his net worth, and they put him into a corner, that's the only thing he knows how to do, lash out. and that's exactly what he did. i mean, most of the time i happen to be right, only because -- not because i'm clairvoyant. i'm certainly not nostradamus. i happen to know the guy well enough to know how he's going to act. as far as whether or not they think that they won this thing, they think that they're doing great, they know that they're not. except they have a client that doesn't care, as long as they keep responding the way he wants them to respond. so if he tells them i did great, i did great, all of a sudden they start to parrot, donald, you did great, you are brilliant today. this is all about basically patting him on the back and making him and stroking his ego. this is what it's all about. he knows that he lost this matter already. it's just a matter of how much. it's a matter of the discouragement that they'll be able to show. what he's looking to do is to figure out how to play this, since he lost already in the court of law, how to play this to a court of public opinion. and he thinks that he's doing well and he's going to try to ride the same street, look, with all due respect to media, think about it. 24/7 since he took the stand has been nothing but donald trump. we have a war going on right now in israel against hamas. we have another war we are working with, ukraine against russia. and what are we talking about, donald baby antics? >> look, as you know very well, sometimes people who work for trump, they have to play the hand they're dealt, and in this case they have a client who's angry. so if their best bet is to try to push for an appeal based on the idea that the judge is biased, do you think that judge engoron maybe fell a bit into a trap today by actually responding to trump's provocations on the witness stand? >> no, no, no way. judge engoron has been perfect as a judge in this matter. again, i sat there for two days, not four hours, like donald lost his concentration and started acknowledging all the things that they probably sat with him for hours on and said not, whatever you do, do not acknowledge that you did this, or do not acknowledge that you did that. instead, he came right out, said yeah, i was involved with it, to some extent and so on. which by the way, it's a lie. he was involved in all aspects, something that i again testified to. i think judge engoron is absolutely setting the record perfect to avoid any appealable issues, because there are no appealable issues. this is a case of documentary -- documentary evidence corroborated with testimony. >> -- what do you make of the fact that prosecutors left ivanka as the final witness this week? >> well, remember that ivanka is not part of the case. she was time barred based upon the statute of limitations. why they would put her last, i don't really know. she could've gone for, as eric could've gone last, donald junior could've gone last, donald himself could've gone last. it makes no difference. they already lost early on the motion for the liability part. he has been found guilty of fraud. that is done. now again it's all about the discouragement. ivana will come in and she will testify honestly and truthfully, i believe that. because she has a lot to lose. in fact, she has a lot more to lose than even her father in this case because as we've been saying, donald over inflated his assets quite substantially. >> all right, michael cohen, good to have you on this particular topic, thank you for being here. >> good to see you, abby. >> and few things animated the former president more than the discussion of mar-a-lago's worth. he complained on the stand about the judges citation that put the resorts value at $18 million. that was based on a florida tax appraisal record. trump insists it's worthwhile over one billion dollars. and joining me now to help us sort through this argument and someone who knows quite a lot about palm beach wheel estate values and that's jeff liechtenstein, owner of echo fine properties in palm beach gardens, florida. he's also the author of how making a sandwich can change your world. so jeff, trump, when he was asked if he believed that mar-a-lago was worth one billion dollars he said i think between a billion and 1.5 billion. now, a lot of people have said the 18 million dollar figure, that is far too low. but that is a huge range, to go from 18 million to 1.5 billion dollars. what's the reality check on that? >> well, as real estate agents, we can puffin, flip the value. so i can say, hey abby, your house is the best ever when maybe it is, maybe it isn't. and he has a point but he doesn't have a point. so rush limbaugh's place recently sold for $155 million. it was 2.3 acres. and then also, the surfside place was also just sold for 100 and $20 million. that was two acres. so that $60 million an acre. so if you look at mar-a-lago, that 17.5 acres. so 17.5 acres at $60 million, you're above a billion dollars. the problem is is it's the land in both rush limbaugh's case in the surfside case, they're buying the land. and that is the best use of the property. so have to bulldoze mar-a-lago. and you can't do that because it's national historic register. so you can't both -- bulldoze the statue of liberty or the hurst castle. and the developer would love to go in there and build condos and development, but it is what it is. >> and that's a really key. point it's one that comes up in this case. so the new york attorney general says that trump came up with this original valuation of $738 million by claiming falsely it was an unrestricted property, that it could be sold and developed for residential use. what are the limitations on what you can do with a property like mar-a-lago? >> well, from what i understand it, it is what it is. it can be used for the resorts that it is, and he could live there. so if you want me to sell it, i could get a buyer tomorrow who would buy it for one billion dollars, if they could develop it and totally develop it. but you can't. so you're stuck would this best use. so it's probably really in the range more of the 3:50 to 400 million dollar range. there's been plenty of properties that have sold above 100 million. but going over one billion dollars or 789 million, that's too much. >> well, we'll take your word for it, jeff lictenstein, thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me, abby. >> and one story that has been overshadowed by this whole trial is the reported vengeance plot that trump and his allies are planning for a second term. now, two former trump officials join me live next on that. plus, democrats are frantic tonight over new polling showing president biden losing to trump in battleground states. we will debate biden's next move, ahead. >> donald trump has been throwing a courtroom into a circus this week, there's actually another story about trump that might have more far-reaching consequences the washington post is revealing how trump and his allies have already begun strategizing for how to use the white house and the justice department to exact revenge on his enemies if he's elected to a second turn now according to post trump's not just talking about weaponizing the doj on the campaign trail his allies are putting together a game plan and after using the insurrection act against racial justice protesters back when he was in office, the post says that trump is, once again, plotting to invoke that 152 year old law in his first days in office. now, here with me now to discuss this is james scholes, a former trump white house lawyer and miles taylor, former chief of staff to homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen miles let start with you. this report says that trump might use the doj to go after former officials people like john kelly who you know well, bill barr along with other officials inside the doj and fbi how far do you think that would go and do you think that, you yourself a former trump official who notably came out as anonymous, it could be a target? >> abby, i don't think it is a might, i think it's a will. i think donald trump will do this in the second term. i don't just think it's a possibility, i think it's a near certainty. and it's something that he's been telegraphing very clearly from the campaign trail. now i spent the past two years interviewing fellow ex trump officials about what they think would happen in a second trump term and this was one of the biggest through lines of all of those interviews. people time and time again saying the justice system would be weaponized in a second term. it's something that donald trump talked a lot about his first term. he would talk to us about it in the oval office. his fantasies about going after political rivals using the mechanisms of government. and my colleague here on the hit tonight in the counsel's office frequently were the ones who had to shut down those donald trump dreams of prosecuting his enemies. but in a set term it will be no hold for it and this was trump's philosophy, which was that even if you did not have a case against someone you sue them because if you sue them you can tie them up and costly litigation. whether or not they get convicted so his notion is that you will appoint these special counsels and, even if they go after his enemies like john kelly, like myself, and there's no case to be made against those people, those people have to hire lawyers and they spend years with the threat of a justice department case hanging over their heads. it is what he is done in his private life all throughout his career and it is a tactic in the second term he plans to bring in government, but abbey it doesn't stop there. trump wants to do this with a lot of different levers of government power throughout the departments and agencies underneath the presidents control. that is what i think is deeply concerning for our democracy and for democratic stability. >> so, jim, according to the post there is this group of far-right wing washington based think tanks are working on these plans for the second term. one of the plant is, quote, that they would deploy the military domestically under the insurrection act. that this was a law that was last updated in 1871 and authorizes the president to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement. the idea is to use it to squash potential protests that could actually accompany him returning to office. do you think that this is something that they could actually execute? >> so, the good news in all of this is that the folks who are going to be in position should be actually win the election, and we're not close to that yet. we're not even into the primaries yet. but if you were to actually when the election there are checks and balances through the system. every one of the appointees has to be confirmed by the senate, could be removed and impeached and removed from office as well. and the folks that go into these jobs, especially the lawyers, the lawyers that are in those positions have a law license that they have to protect. if they're asked to do something that is outside the bounds of the law, then there's going to be a check on that as well. so that is the good news in all of, this is that we have career officials, we have folks in the military, we have people that are lawyers that will exercise good judgment to beat that back, just like we saw through the allegations where you have jeffrey clark in the january six issue and it was beaten back by white house counsel. pat cipollone and folks like that. you have to trust the people in government that are going to step up when bat ideas are brought forward. >> no question, people did step up to stop some of these bad ideas. but you just brought up jeffrey clark, it is a good example of how many people actually did go along with it and actually, one of the people behind, as trump's former budget director ross perot, he's leading one of these think tanks. he thinks that you don't need a statutory changed at all, you just need a change of mind set. you just need an attorney general and white house counsel's office that doesn't use itself as trying to protect the department from the president. jim, i mean this is, in some ways it is a legal question. is it just something that requires a change of mindset, somebody saying we're going to do this, or would they be breaking the law >> look, anytime that you are using -- look, all these new things need to be looked at through the lens of, one, is this the right thing to do? two, might it violate the law? there is going to be plenty of lawyers who are in the government at the apartment of homeland security in the military agencies, at the department of justice. and all of these places, who have been there a long time. and the folks that are leaving those departments, again, are going to have to be confirmed by the senate. i don't think that you have the risk that the same type of risk that you have, that folks are really worrying about here. yes, we have got to hope that people go to the ballot box and vote against these types of things, but at the same time if they don't, there is also a lot of other things going on in government that need to run. we have a conflict around the world, those things are going to be on the front page. they're going to have to deal with the economy. the idea that all they're going to do is be laser-like, that there's going to be a group of individuals who are going to be able to push the entire federal government in that direction is ludicrous in my view, but the risk is not worth it in the end of the day. that is something that needs to be challenged at the ballot box through these primaries and then the general election cycle so that we don't have that. >> miles, i want to give you a very quick last word here. is this potential of a second term a keystone cop a situation, or are you worried that this could be more organized, more driven? >> i think it will be vastly more organized. i appreciate james optimism and i would like to hope for the same. i would like to hope that the guardrails will be there. maybe the eye view is a little cynical, abby, but i don't think the guardrails will be there. in fact, people like russ who we have worked with, they know better than this. but they also know that the people are the guardrails and that is why there is a conservative plan to make sure those people who would second guess and legal order are gone. and they have spent a lot of time thinking through who those yes men and yes women are to bring in the administration and, mark my, words they will populate the full upper ranks of a trump two point oh administration and there won't be the people to stop these things from going into effect. i think it will be vastly more dire than the first term was in terms of ignoring and disregarding the rule of law. >> we cover this because donald trump is on the ballot, easily ding in the republican prior. it's critical to know what he might do if he's elected again. james schultz and miles taylor, thank you both. and, up next for us, new polls say that voters don't think age is just a number for joe biden. trouble in the making in daytona that is making some democrats squirm. but one senator has something to get off his chest about california's governor. giving tuesday. giving tuesday giving tuesday giving tuesday is a global effort that encourages people to do good. this year, when you choose shriners hospitals for children® your choosing kids like me and me. i give to shriners hospitals for children® because i want to be a part of something amazing. our support gives kids a bright future. thanks to a generous donor. your gift will go twice as far and help more kids just like me. your support helps us do amazing things we never thought would be possible. with your monthly gift. we'll send you this adorable love to the rescue® blanket as another way to say thank you. plus, it's your reminder of all the children who now have hope because of your support. please call right now to give. if operators are busy with other caring donors, please hold patiently or go to loveshriners.org and when you do your gift will have two times the impact. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> democrats are, well, let's be honest, they're freaking out again and this time it's because of the latest new york times cnn poll showing the president biden is lagging far behind gop front runner donald trump among registered voters and five key battleground states. nevada, georgia, arizona, michigan, and pennsylvania. the former president is leading by margins, as much as 4 to 10 percentage points. which is huge in american politics. former senior adviser to president obama, david axelrod, is echoing a number of biden supporters and suggesting that he might want to rethink a second run for the presidency. listen. >> as i have said for, like, a couple of years now, the issue is not -- for him it's not political, it's actuarial. and you can see that in this poll. and there's just a lot of concern about the age issue. so he's just got to ask himself, is this the best path? i suspect that he will say yes, but time is fleeting here and this is probably the last moment for him to do that check. >> joining me now is battles michael, a democratic strategist and former executive director of the new york state democratic party along with pollster franklin's. basil, this is bad. the polls are bad, but isn't this -- even the polls and freak out about the polls, a huge problem for the biden campaign? >> well, look, i will just say this. they haven't spent the kind of money that they need to spend in those states at this point. i assume that when that happens that they actually did have some commercials on the air, but they don't seem to be breaking through and that the problem. i do think they need to double down on that. having said that what mr. axelrod said is not helpful. we're not in an era where we have the kind of machine politics that will just say you sit down, you stand up, and we're ready to go. we don't have that. right now joe biden is the sitting united states president and for whatever concerns you may have about him, you don't have to vote for him. you could vote for kamala harris, you could vote for hakeem jeffries, he could vote for democracy. whatever the case is you just have to go and vote on that line. that's what i would say. >> isn't the point he's making that biden should not run because he needs to step aside for his own good, and they go to the country? >> tell me what your alternative is. >> frank, what's the alternative? >> the governor of california, cory booker, the senator from nearby new jersey. gretchen whitmer, governor of michigan. and my favorite, mitch lander, -- >> the former mayor of new orleans. >> >> all these people are great candidates, great leaders, cory booker has done this before and he has the skills but in the end the republicans, at this moment, have been tearing themselves apart in the house and it is interesting that the democrats are now doing this in the white house. make no mistake, you can reverse inflation, you can stop a war, but you can't reverse age. and it's not about voting for joe biden when he's 81 years old, it's about voting for joe biden when he's 86 because that is how hold he would be when this is golden. in the and the american people, particularly younger voters are saying, you know what, thank you mister president, you've done a good job, but it's time for somebody younger. >> you know, my sense of where younger voters are, and there have been stories recently about african american voters, latino voters who are concerned not to so much about joe biden, although that's part of, it but also about the party itself. one of the things that i look at as you talk about donald trump is the problem that democrats have always had. we are trying to elect joe biden on the policy. policy has been great, policies been fantastic and he's getting people to work in this country. but most people vote out of a motion and where is a lot of that emotion and energy? it is donald trump, which is why he's performative in a courtroom. which is why he talks about retribution and reclamation when he's on the campaign trail, because that energizes his base. i think what is often intellectually persuasive is not always emotionally compelling, and that is the thing that i think is missing. >> let's talk about -- for a second the. it's no piece of cake for trump, either. he is almost as joe biden is, he makes a ton of mistakes like joe biden does, which we have documented on this show, and he is facing a ton of legal issues. so maybe this is what the biden camp is seeing, it is not biden against anybody, it's biden against trump who has potentially an achilles heel. >> the thing that saturday live ought to do is to the 2024 debates right now, one candidate get weldon in an oxygen tent in a wheelchair, the other candidate comes in in handcuffs and an orange suit and watch the to the debate with each other. the sad thing is it's not just humorous, it could happen. what is not reported in those surveys is that other republicans will run against joe biden and they do even better than donald trump does. this is not necessarily trump's strength, it is absolutely biden's weakness and the other thing we haven't talked about is inflation. in the end, voters are still angry at food prices are up, gas prices, all of these are up and they can't afford to get through day-to-day. life >> frank mentioned a bunch of people, none of them were named kamala harris who would be the alternative to joe biden. isn't this the whole reason that she was chosen as the vice president? she somebody younger, she's had a very bright political future, but she's not coming up in this conversation about what is next after joe biden. >> no, and that is angry and disturbing because all the folks that you mentioned, the gavin new sons and cory booker's of the rules, it's a great bench that we have. but the sitting vice president, it goes back to my point. there's a quickness to sort of dismiss the sitting president and sitting vice president who are two very talented individuals. if you're concerned about african american turnout, if you're concerned about latino turnout, why don't you push out the individual who will exhibit the kind of intersectionality that's not just the current party -- >> the question is why hasn't happened. >> i've said over and over again that they need to do this. she is the one person that i think cam bring out some of those rioters and energize those voters, but i fully feel like she's been under utilized. i do think a lot of it is race and misogyny that we've consistently heard about in other contexts, but the reality is she is the future of this party. so i'm not sure why she's not being utilized. >> because she is the lowest approval rating as vice president as anyone since dan quayle, and he had the lowest since ehrenberg. the fact is that her ability to communicate has been brought under question and she is even less popular than joe biden's. the democratic party wants to be successful, it is not just to step into a new generation, but it is it to take the underpinnings of what they have done of the various pieces of legislation, but put a fresh face, a different face on it. >> it seems that democrats can't agree on who that face -- >> it goes back to my earlier point. if you want to come back and say we do something different, then we do it en masse. picking at it over and over, a couple of weeks and months it's not helping. >> we've got to leave it there. >> could you imagine cory booker challenging donald trump with that debate, what it would look like, what it would sound like? >> here is the thing frank, he ran for president but didn't get out of the democratic primaries. voters have had a chance to imagine that this is what they came out with. basil smikle -- thank you very much. coming up next for us, rising antisemitism has some american on edge, so much so that they are actually going out and buying guns. that story is next. plus, we'll get a reaction to all of this from the son of a holocaust survivor, elliott weasel. >> as the war rages on in israel and antisemitic threats surged in the united states, more and more jewish americans here are purchasing firearms and seeking out training out of fear for their safety. cnn's david culver has the story. [sound of gunfire] >> this is not -- his usual l.a. hang out. >> two months ago i never really thought about owning a gun. >> a 31-year-old podcaster organizes group firearms training. >> pick up your gun and your dominant hand. >> inviting others from her southern california jewish community, including her childhood schoolmate danny. >> do your friends say danny's the type to carry a gun and go? shooting >> no, definitely not my vibe, not how i was raised. >> this course, as these women see it, a last resort in self-defense. >> i don't think i hit anything. the reality is people don't seem to want us around and it's hard. >> do you feel that now more than ever? >> now more than ever, it is suffocating, actually. >> amidst the ongoing turmoil in israel and gaza, a lot enforcement here in the u.s. warning of increased antisemitic incidents targeting jewish people's, homes, and businesses. >> this is a threat that is reaching, in some ways, sort of historic levels. >> and gun shops, along with firearm instructors around the country, reporting a surge in interest, particularly from jewish groups. >> when i'm doing our messaging, it is a message of light and. these >> rabbi believes that light mps should be safeguarded through vigilant and preparation. it's why he started -- a private security firm tasked with keeping a local jewish community safe. >> did you ever think that he would end up also teaching people how to carry and fire a gun? >> it said that it's necessary, but it definitely is. it's really important we start educating our community. >> we went to one of his weekday firearm classes. >> what can i do to protect myself? >> roughly two dozen jewish women here on this. night >> i can tell you, as a mom and as a teacher -- >> you can sense anxiety, fear, and our knees. >> we want people to live and to be able to practice in peace, that's the whole goal. and so if they want to pursue the ownership of training with fire arm, and that's going to help them feel at peace, let's do. that >> california has some of the toughest gun laws in the u.s. and some here simply do not feel comfortable around guns. >> it's not for everybody. [sound of gunfire] back at the range. shawnee and danny feeling more competent after their four hour training. >> no way. >> and in case you didn't recognize their teacher. [sound of gunfire] that is rabbi aoc. >> that was about 3 to 4 shots per second as i accelerated. >> what we did here today will make me feel safer in the future as long as i keep practicing. >> are you going to continue the instruction? >> i will come back, 100%. >> we need to be prepared in the best defense is a good offense, and i think that's really important to understand. >> david culver, cnn, los angeles. >> join me now with reaction is the son of elie wiesel, who survived the holocaust in auschwitz and was a nobel peace prize-winning laureate. this piece really is about fear, at the end of the day, and what is going on for jewish americans. what did you see? in what these young women were saying? >> first of all, thank you for having me back on the show, abby. i would say the fear is justified. earlier today we learned that an elderly californian man at a rally was killed, unfortunately. he had a megaphone smashed in his face by an anti israel protesters. he fell to the ground and died, so this is a real threat when you look at the antisemitism that is showing its face now in this country. so understand it, my synagogue has security. but i understand that we are in a much broader battle as well. the jewish people once again are being put on trial for a war we didn't start and, in that war, we have to arm ourselves with the truth that israel didn't start the war, we have to arm ourselves with allies and not there have been so many, including president biden. and we have to armor selves with legal remedies. that is why one of the most significant developments today with the adl and the brandeis center and the -- all announcing that there is a new website, legal dash protection dot org for any students or faculty on college campus where they feel indoctrinating lies are being spread and antisemitism. >> we want to continue that conversation. elisha, stay with me. we're going to talk about what you're talking about on college campuses, but i want you -- that israel is committing genocide against palestinians. >> we're back with elisha wiesel, who just tendon op-ed. my father, elie wiesel, survived auschwitz. you would ask these questions about the israel hamas war. elisha, you're seeing this conflict tara part college campuses. you say that a lot of these students who are rallying against israel are missing critical facts. what are they, in your view? >> i want to say, students who have that position, i don't see these people as evil eye, see them as misinformed. they are spreading very dangerous lies, which have the roots in the blood libel. the accusation against the jewish people that we are attacking innocence, whether it is a christian babies in the middle ages or gazan civilians right now. and the key facts are, israel withdrew from gaza. it took every last soldier, it uprooted 9000 settlers out of the surrounding area so that we could discover what will the civilization become in those several square miles that are the gaza strip. soon enough, hamas was given a strong majority. they have staged a coup, ejected the psa, and effectively this was a government that was created to attack israel and destroy the jewish people. >> can i focus in about what you're talking about. one of the things that you hear from pro palestinians, including congresswoman rashida tlaib, is that israel is committing a genocide against palestinians. they're talking about the bombings that have killed more than 10,000 palestinians. when you hear the word genocide used in that context what is to bring up to you? >> listen, genocide it's a very specific word that was really, it was a term that was created in the wake of the holocaust. the idea is, in order for it to be genocide, there has to be intent for genocide. you have to desire the extinction of the other people. if you look at the founding documents of the state of israel and compare them to the founding document, the hamas charter, you will discover that one of them is genocidal and the other extends its hand to all the surrounding neighbors. israel, from the very beginning, wanted peace with its neighbors, was ready to accept the palestinian state and called for coexistence. today it has a 20% israeli arab population. the hamas charter calls for the extinction of the jewish people and israel. that is genocide. >> i want to be clear, there are obviously people who have a lot of issues with how israel has treated palestinians. you say that is separate from the kind of language that is being used in this context about this conflict. >> listen, words like genocide, if you throw them around so loosely, it is devastating. it is a very serious form of attack. >> all right, elisha wiesel, a thank you so much for joining us as always. we appreciate having you here. coming up next he put elijah mcclain in that cold, but tonight he is walking free. the surprise verdict coming out of denver after this. ♪ ♪ ♪ tonight, police officer nathan woodyard is a free man after a colorado jury found him not guilty of homicide and manslaughter. if that name isn't familiar to you, the name of 23-year-old black man who died in police custody might be. that is elijah mcclain. now, prosecutors say that would hear was the first officer to confront mcclain on the scene in 2019. he never introduced himself, now they're explained that somebody called 9-1-1 to report a suspicious blackmail and grabbed mcclain within just eight seconds of arriving on the scene, wrapping his arms around his neck. would your then took the stand in his own defense during the trial, testifying that he feared for his life. and that's it for me, thank you very much for watching news night. laura coates live starts right now. laura? >> you know, abby, i've got to tell you, that case, of all of the cases that wve

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