Israeli troops preparing for the next phase of this campaign. Some of these troops are living inside the homes of those who lost loved ones. And these troops massed around in this town and around it all preparing to invade gaza. Wolf . J Jeremy Diamond reporting thank you, jeremy. Erin Burnett Outfront starts right now. Outfront next, breaking news. Quote, its coming. That is the message tonight from the israeli Prime Minister about an assault on gaza. As were hearing from the grandson of a hostage who was just released what, his grandmother is telling about her time as a hostage in hamas captivity. U. S. Intelligence officials revealed what caused that deadly explosion at a hospital in gaza. We have a new Exclusive Dispatch from our producer inside gaza tonight. His report one of the most disturbing yet about the situation he is living on the ground there. Also breaking tonight, trumps former Chief Of Staff mark meadows reportedly offering up damning testimony in exchange for immunity. Special counsel jack smiths case. Lets go outfront. And good evening, welcome to a Special Edition of outfront. Im erin burnett live in tel aviv tonight. We begin with breaking news. Well have to pay a price, thats the quote, the message tonight from israels defense minister, speaking to an elegal Commando Unit of the israeli army said, quote, prepare for the tasks to come, the war is just starting. And, unfortunately, well have to pay a price. They have been clear that that price may involve the loss of life. And it is an ominous warning to the more than 300,000 troops alive, ready, in the prime of their life, massed on that gaza border. Young men and women waiting for the command to go in and strike hamas, to take that risk of death to do so. Today israeli Prime Minister benjamin netanyahu, again, met with those troops because they have been waiting for that command, of course, waiting for 17 days, telling them tonight, quote, we stand before the next stage, it is coming. The next Stage Netanyahu also says today will not be short, and the United States is bracing for what could be a lengthy and bloody battle. This is war. It is combat. It is bloody. It is ugly. Its going to be messy. And innocent civilians are going to be hurt going forward. Soldiers will die, innocent civilians will die. And some of the innocent civilians that are at risk are the innocent hostages being held in gaza right now. Many, if not all, underground, in the Sprawling Network of tunnels that hamas has constructed in gaza. Tonight for the first time we heard from one of them. 85yearold Yocheved Lifshitz. She was released yesterday Last Night Speaking today about what happened to her. She described being abducted by motorcycle from her home. She was abused and hit with sticks. And then in gaza forced underground into hamas network of tunnels. Translator we began walking inside the tunnels with wet ground. It was moist all the time. We arrived at a large hall. There we were, 25 people. After two to three hours they separated five people from my kibbutz near oz. Lifshitz also talking about a moment that was captured by hamas where she is seen shaking hands with one of her captors as she was being released. When asked why she would extend such a gesture of grace to one of her captors, she replied because they treated us very nicely. In a moment im going to speak to her grandson. And, of course, while she is safe tonight, there is still roughly 200 hostages being held by hamas. We still dont know the exact number. That does include lifshitzs husband. And Matthew Chance is outfront in tel aviv with me to begin our coverage tonight. So, matthew, could we now be just hours away from a new phase in israels war against hamas . Reporter its very possible. Certainly israeli officials have made it clear theyre not backing away from that next phase. But precisely what its going to look like is less certain. Certainly we know that multiple sources have the United States is trying to persuade israel that it may be more efficient and effective in terms of their objective to use airstrikes and Special Forces raids in order to achieve those objectives, not necessarily a fullscale ground invasion. The other advantage of that strategy would be that it may create more space, more opportunity for these Hostage Negotiations that have been underway for the past couple of weeks, really, to yield more results. Already, four israeli hostages have been released from gaza, four out of more than 220. But today, one of those hostages an incredible old woman spoke to journalists here in tel aviv about her experience. Take a listen. This is the extraordinary moment an 85yearold israeli grandmother was released by hamas. Video recorded by the militant group. You can see her shaking the hand of a masked gunman, shalom, or peace, she said, as shes led away. Back in israel, Yocheved Lifshitz is speaking about her hostage ordeal. Translator i went through hell. They went on rampage in our kibbutz, kidnapped me, lay me over a motorcycle on the side and flew with me through the plowed fields. They stormed our houses, beat people. Some of them like me, kidnapped. They didnt distinguish between old and young. Reporter the hamas attack on her kibbutz of near oz in southern israel earlier this month left a quarter of its residents killed or kidnapped, including many children, according to israeli officials. She described how she was forcibly driven away with her elderly husband and hit with sticks on the journey into gaza. Her daughter who helped translate her mothers ordeal to reporters described where her mom and several other israeli hostages were held. Underground in gaza. There are huge network of tunnels underneath. It looks like a spiderweb. Reporter the october 7th attacks, many of them recorded by hamas gunmen themselves, as they rampaged through israeli communities, took an unprecedented toll. Leaving at least 1,400 israelis dead and more than 200. But she was kidnapped and taken to gaza. Translator the lack of knowledge in the army in shin bet harmed us very much. We were warned three weeks ahead of it. They showed us masses reaching the road. They sent Fire Balloons to burn our fields. And the army somehow didnt take it seriously. Reporter a catastrophic lapse in security that left so many israelis exposed. Erin, and that criticism of the Israeli Security services is widespread in israel. Its not going anywhere. But, whats of more urgent importance is what will israel do next in the second phase. Will they go into gaza hard in a Land Invasion . It could have a Significant Impact on happens to more than the 200 hostages that are still inside. All right, thank you very much, Matthew Chance. And Daniel Lifshitz is yocheveds grandson. I just want to start first with saying, Thank God For You and your family, and i know youre still missing your grandfather. But to have her home. We see just a brief glimpse of a woman of steel and of great grace in how she treated even her captors. But you shared some photos that youve taken at the hospital of you and her together over this past 24 hours. How is she doing . So, firstly, i saw her yesterday when arriving. And my feelings were very mixed because the last time i saw my grandmother, she was a powerful full of life woman, and seeing her like that on the first scene in the hospital was from one side, i was really happy, and i was feeling like thank god shes home. And from The Other Side, i saw a woman that had been abused that is suffering so much, suffered a lost or missing or she doesnt know and we dont know of her husband in the last 60 years. And she hasnt seen him since they were abducted from the kibbutz, she has not seen him . The last time she saw him was on 7th Of October after theyve been taken violently out of the house. So they were in the secure room. And if you would see the door of the secure room is full of bullets. So my grandfather was holding the door. And he got shot in the hand. And when they went out, they took both of them, they took her on the motorbike and they grab him outside on the floor. And the last time she saw him, she was on her motorbike held with legs and hand, everything was all together just on the side of the bicycle. And she looked at him and she saw him the last time on the ground wounded on the sand by the gate of the kibbutz, which i cant imagine worst scene than that. She has spoken, i know, and tried to share what she saw, what she experienced. She said she was with about 25 other people, and that, in spite of the horror and the abuse that she took, that they were prepared, the captors were prepared for these hostages. Mattresses, shampoo, she said. That they were prepared for mass hostages. What else has she told you . So, what else she told us is that the road there was horrible. She got beaten and she felt like her ribs were broken. When she arrived into gaza, they moved her into a truck and took her to some place with other hostages. And from there they just walked them for very, very long walk through the tunnels. A long walk underground. A long walk in a very humid place with some mud, and they took them and then there they separated them for some rooms. So, they were, and in those rooms, did she talk about her interactions with them . I mean, it sounds like she did say there were paramedics, there were things like that that they were prepared for the hostages. Was she able to tell you more about what every day was like dealing with that . So, the story, you know, as i see the story, they were fully prepared. They prepared this place for the hostages, which means they prepare the place for people to make them survive. They gave them whatever they need to survive. They were murdering them outside, butchering them, slaughtering them, cutting heads. But those they succeeded to capture and kidnap, they were ready to make everything for them to survive as they are the cards for what they want to achieve. I want to ask you about that image, though. And when she was left, the transfer happened and she reaches back and she takes the hand of one of the hamas gunmen. Do you find that moment striking, and what does it say to the world about your grandmother . So, first of all, it says about her that she is, of course, a woman of peace, a woman of saying, you know, the goodbye gesture for someone who took her and put her away from the horror, she has been at. And saying, you know, i saw it as well as shalom, and goodbye, and a wish to never have Something Like that again, and wish for those who stay there to be taken care and survive. And thats the governments of the world and the leaders and everyone will do everything to bring those hostages back and send the message for the home of those people who are here, the families otho tell them, you know, you still have your possibility to have your Family Member back. Daniel, thank you very much, for coming in and speaking with us, of course, after 2 00 in the morning in tel aviv. Im joined now by a former fbi agent. Hes 20 years of hostage negotiation experience, talking about how to bring the rest of these hostages home now that we that so many of them are underground in the spiderweb of tunnels. Mud, you heard what daniel was describing from his grandmother. She was held, at one point in, a room with she said about six others. Minimal food. Danny was describing it to me, he was saying it felt to him like holocaust food, cheese and barely enough bread. She didnt move locations though but leaving the tunnel that walk was very difficult. What does this say to you about the remaining hostages . Well, one, hamas knows their worth. They have to keep them alive. They were taken for a reason, and now they have to protect them in order to use them in the way their playbook is going to happen. In the tunnels is one of the worst places they can be for israeli troops should they ever have to go in and try to rescue them. It is so complex to get surprise. The fact that she said that each hostage had one guard. Unfortunately, tells me that that guard is there in case of a Hostage Rescue to kill the hostage. Normally, you try to minimize the number of guards you have for a group of hostages. Two guards guarding a room of five to ten hostages. But having one on top of the other just tells me that they were preparing for the worst, that if a Rescue Attempt comes in there, that they are going to eliminate the hostages. Ah, interesting. So you read into that that they are prepared for im just going to say this bluntly Israeli Special forces to try to come in those tunnels and that you perceive it as they would be willing to get in a firefight, to die and kill the hostages if such a thing would occur. Is that what youre getting at . I think its twofold. I think, one, they want israel to negotiate. So they want to show them that this would be the hardest rescue operation. One, theres 200 locating them all, and then having them down in a tunnel where you cant come through walls, you cant do surprise, and also saying that the guards are one to one with the hostages. I think it is both word out to the israelis you need to negotiate for them, youre not going to be able to rescue them. And i think if it does happen, that they are willing to die and kill their hostages over a Rescue Attempt. Sober thought. Rob, thank you very much. I appreciate you taking the time. And a cnn investigation revealing how hamas planned its deadly assault. We are learning a lot more about this breaking new details. How they managed to do it in plain sight. And these new details are crucial. Landline phones, plans deep underground. How that actually mattered for surveillance. Astonishing new details. Plus, israel now dropping leaflets in gaza promising a reward for the information on the 200 plus hostages remaining. Im going to speak to an american father whose son is in gaza in captivity tonight. Were going to check in with someone who lives in Northern Gaza and is witnessing, he is living israels air assault firsthand. One explosion just coming 500 feet from his home. And were back tonight with our breaking news live in tel aviv. A new cnn investigation this hour shows the hamas fighters likely used hardline telephones and underground tunnels to avoid detection while planning their deadly attack. Sources telling cnn that a small group of hamas operatives avoided using cell phones and computers and only met in person. Thats how they managed to keep their planning a secret. Pamela brown broke this story. And she is outfront. Pamela, you have incredible sourcing on this. Your reporting shows why israel, maybe part of why israel was caught so unprepared for what became the deadliest Terrorist Attack in the countrys history. What more are you learning tonight . Reporter it is important to emphasize that no matter how you look at it, this was a massive Intelligence Failure by israel. But sources are helping to fill out the picture a little bit more about why how hamas was able to pull this off. Sources are telling cnn that a small group of hamas operatives used hardwired phones in the tunnels beneath gaza to communicate over a period of two years planning this attack. Thats according to intelligence shared with u. S. Officials speaking to me and my colleague zach cohen. Those oldfashioned landlines allowed them to communicate in secret with one another underground. They avoided using computers or cell phones. So instead, erin, they held meetings in person among a very small group and they stayed off all digital communication. They relied on oldschool technology. So this partially explains why israel and the u. S. Were so caught off guard by the attack and how more than 1,000 hamas fighters were able to pour across the border without being stopped, shown here as we have been showing that the Propaganda Video released by hamas. All of this communication happened in the miles of the Underground Tunnel System that youve been talking so much about, erin, thats beneath gaza, that the idf nicknamed the gaza metro. Hamas also kept the planning of the october 7th attack a secret even from other members. So only a very small group knew about the mission until just before it was carried out. And then hamas ground unit commanders and fighters were in training for many months and they were kept at a state of general preparedness but only found out about the specific plans a few days before the attack. Which is fascinating because i know weve seen those specific plans and theyre dated a year ago. But its interesting that they would have been given to them, the men actually on the front lines not far before. All of the detail. One of the things that makes so much sense, it had a list of phone numbers. And it looked like extensions, like office phone numbers, not actual extensions, which fits with what youre saying and its just actually incredible to connect all these dots. I know that officials noticed that the hamas training, of course, was happening aboveground over many months. Youve been reporting that they had been sort of fake kibbutz to practice on. What are you learning about that and how that was not observed . Right. And so that was one of the big questions. Why wouldnt that have raised more of a red flag, why wasnt there more preparedness. What sources have told me is that some of the training aboveground, it was observed, but it didnt ring major alarm bells and thats because the thinking im told by sources is, well, hamas always trains people like this, this is routine. It didnt look any different. And there is the parallel drawn to the israeli failure in the 1973 Yom Kippur War when they mistook Troop Movements from egypt and syria with exercises. It appears based on what were learning that something similar couldve happened here. Its absolutely incredible, but such important new reporting. It really does connect so many dots. This news comes as the idf has intensified its efforts to track the civilians being held hostage by hamas. They are now dropping leaflets in gaza urging palestinians to contact them with information about the hostages, promising a financial reward, along with, quote, maximum effort in providing security for you and your home. We should note, obviously, the vast majority of the hostages were taken by hamas and controlled by hamas but that there were other people from gaza who went into the kibbutz and took advantage of the situation, maybe took hostages with the intent of there being a Financial Game from it. So perhaps this is aimed at that. Joining me now is israeliamerican jonathan and his son seggi who has dual citizenship as well, is being held captive by hamas tonight, taken, of course, during that horrific black saturday. I know your exwife was also taken by hamas. Incredibly, though, managed to escape. A small miracle amidst all of this. But your child for both of you, your child, your son among the hostages. Do you think anyone inside gaza is going to see this Family Threat . Does this give you any hope that someone might cooperate and share information that could help bring your son and others home . Well, its hard to know, erin. It seems to me, sitting on The Other Side of the border, that israel should and is employing every means necessary to get our loved ones home. But i do have doubts that in the context of terrorist police state, that anyone inside of gaza would be ready to risk their lives visavis hamas itself to share that kind of information. But, you know, there is always hope that some sliver of information might come out of it. I know he has two Young Children. He and his wife are expecting their third, a moment that hopefully they will be together for with great joy. Four of the hostages have been released. Two of them from your kibbutz. And i know you know them well. I mean, does this give you hope . Well, i would say this. Certainly, for all four of the hostages who have been released, and particularly the two women who were released yesterday, im thrilled for the families. In fact, Daniel Lifshitz, who you had on a few moments ago, grew up with seggi. He and one other of the hostages, another hostage were kind of three musketeers growing up on the kibbutz. So, im absolutely thrilled for them. Theres no question. But clearly whats going on here, and i think your reporting is showing this, that the releases, up till now part of a plan, theyre part of a plan of psychological manipulation. Its very cynical. Its probably pretty effective. From the stockpiles of medications that they have put together, i would imagine from u. N. Donations to tend to keep these people alive underground, the 70yearolds, the 80yearolds. They probably have formula for the infants stockpiled that they kidnapped from my kibbutz. So, its encouraging in one sense. But i dont think its indicative of any desire in hamas to move this forward with additional releases of hostages. Its amazing your ability to see the strategy, to be pragmatic about it. I can only imagine amidst all the emotion you feel. I know that your exwife was also taken captive. They took her. She was in an electric cart. An idf Helicopter Shot at the terrorists and killed them. Its an absolute miracle, she survived, she got away. She told us this, jonathan, quote, i walked to my house terrified that terrorists would shoot me in the back. I was determined to find my children. It was my war of survival to reach my children and grandchildren. The kibbutz is completely destroyed. Is there anything more that you want to share with us about what happened and how shes doing tonight . Well, shes recovering. She has multiple shrapnel wounds. This was a story of immense determination. Her eyewitness account, she was taken not alone on that electric cart, but with another ten or so women and children from the kibbutz. And we dont know what their fate is. Only she was able to escape. I think you know, our mutual children and grandchildren are incredibly grateful that she was somehow able to crawl her way back about a mile and a half, surrounded, essentially, by Hamas Terrorists who were looting the kibbutz, everything from jewelry to our largest tractor, and picking up Straggler Captives as they went along. So, her account and her seeing the kibbutz utterly destroyed, this kind of Botanical Garden of eden that we created in the middle of the desert is now a smoking hulk. Its an experience that very few people, i think, could survive and say anything about. No, it certainly speaks about her fortitude and her strength and miraculous. Jonathan, thank you very much. Thank you. Outfront now, he negotiated with hamas for the 2011 release of idf soldier gilad shilit who had been held by the Terrorist Group for five years. He is an expert on hamas and has been speaking with hamas leadership since the october 7th attack. So, let me begin there because there are very few people in this world who can say that theyre doing what youre doing. Youre speaking to hamas daily. What are you able to share with me about what youre learning about the hostages or anything else from those conversations . Let me give you a snapshot of reality of where we are right now. And this was an amazing view of the reality that exists in an impossible negotiating situation. It reminds me so vividly of the difficult negotiations that took place during the five years and four months that gilad was in captivity. There is a possible deal on the table facilitated by the qataris and the egyptians for a release of all the civilian hostages in exchange for an israeli cessation of bombing of gaza. But, the behavior of the parties involved is reminiscent of a Kindergarten Classroom of who should take the first step and who should make the proposal. Its a complex issue that needs to be resolved. But were talking about saving human lives here. But its so complex in getting either the israelis or the Palestinian Hamas here to indicate that theyre willing to make an agreement on this and then to get the International Players to provide the guarantees that are necessary. It seems just extremely significant to emphasize youre having conversations with hamas. Is it hugely significant to you that they would be willing to even discuss such a mass release of civilian hostages in exchange for a temporary ceasefire . They are desperate right now. Theyve been bombed for two weeks. Most of the hamas leadership is underground and theyre protected. But the civilian population is suffering greatly. And despite the image that many people have, including most israelis that hamas doesnt care about their people. They do. And they see the suffering. Not only that. I would say that we have an endangererg situation of regional destabilization. The continuation of the civilian catastrophe in gaza is igniting the streets of egypt and jordan and the west bank. We cant help to afford the destabilization of those countries. This war is easily going to expand beyond the borders of gaza. We need a timeout. A timeout is essential. Even if its temporary. All right. I so much appreciate your time, that you would take the time to share. And i hope that all hear your message. Thank you very much. And a new dispatch from cnns producer ibrahim dahman. Tonight, he shares really, really hard images of what he and his family are witnessing as they desperately try to get out of gaza. Were going to show them to you. Plus, the breaking news. Trumps former Chief Of Staff mark meadows cooperates and is now providing testimony about the 2020 election in exchange for immunity. Youre probably not easily persuaded to switch mobile providers for your business. But what if we told you its possible that comcast Business Mobile can save you up to 75 a year on your wireless bill versus the big three carriers . Have we piqued your interest . You can get two unlimited lines for just 30 each a month. There are no Term Contracts or line activation fees. And you can bring your own device. Oh, and all on the most reliable 5g Mobile Network nationwide. Wireless that works for you. Its not just possible. U. S. Intelligence officials saying tonight that the deadly blast at a hospital in gaza believed to have killed hundreds was caused by a rocket launched by a Palestinian Militant Group that broke apart in midair. That war head then fell on the hospital. And it comes as we received more dispatches tonight from ibrahim dahman, our journalist on the ground in khan yunis in southern gaza. He had moved from Northern Gaza when the Israeli Defense forces told people to leave. And he is witnessing unspeakable tragedy. He shared with us some images tonight. I do want to give you some time to decide if you want to see them or not. Because what he saw with his own eyes is horrible. Its horrible. But this is whats happening there. He saw a man carrying a dead child. And the man behind him is saying, quote, she is innocent, and there is someone there beguiling they do not want the face of that child to be blurred. You see the smoke plume in the aftermath of a strike. This is what life and death are now like in gaza as ibrahim has been showing you every single night. And as hard as it is to watch that on a screen, imagine for him seeing that with his own eyes. Remember how he documented his journey out of Northern Gaza with his wife rasha and their two young boys, 7 and 11. And he showed you some of the incredible difficulties they have faced, Drinking Water meant for toilets on the list of horrible things they have endured. And we are going to continue to bring you updates from ibrahim as the war rages on. Weve discussed extensively whether to show that picture of the child. We chose to do so because the family wanted it, because ibrahim shared it. And so, ultimately, we believed it was right to show it to you. And joining me now, mohamed where he has lived for more than 25 years at his home in gaza. The Senior Program manager for an organization that provides medical care for palestinians in gaza. Im glad we speak again. You are still okay. I do know the idf says it hit more than 400 targets in gaza in just one day this past day, and there were explosions you say about 500 feet from your home last night. You are living this. Can you please tell us all of what it is like right now . Thank you for having me again, erin. Its really horrific, to be honest with you. With every bomb that falls on, like, the vicinity in my neighborhood, i am asking myself whether my home is going to be the next one to be targeted. 150 meter as way from where i live, a house was bombarded yesterday at 7 30 a. M. And we started running in the street. It was foggy. However, it wasnt actually the weather. It was cement, it was gunpowder, and small Dust Particles that we were breathing. We just wanted to make sure that none of our neighbors were hurt during this bombardment. Just before i opened this call with you, another airstrike happened not far away from where i live. I know youre at home right now using your precious power because you want the world to hear what you have to say. Youre with your wife and your three Young Children there in the darkness tonight. And i know we talked about your three kids that you said they ask if the explosions are coming for them next. I guess, its a hard question to answer, but how are your children doing . They are children. So, the best thing that you can do is just make them forget momentarily about what is happening around them. And the best thing to do with your children is for me as a father and for their mother not to panic, which is really difficult, and really hard to maintain amidst the bombardment sounds that we are hearing and listening. I have seen children shaking in fear after they have been taken out from the debris from their homes. And i have seen other children panicking because their moms and dads are panicking. So what im trying to do is to maintain my calm as much as i can. And i pray that my children will come out safe out of this. But it all falls on my shoulders, and this is a heavy burden to maintain, to be honest with you, erin. It is an unbearable burden. And, yet, you are carrying it. You are carrying it for them miraculously. Understand, weve seen pictures of that small number of trucks that have been allowed into the south in gaza through rafah. Has any of that gotten to where you are . So, first of all, its a miracle that this small amount of trucks have been allowed during these times. However, what i should state is that 20 to 17 trucks is nothing in comparison to the 300 to 500 trucks that used to enter gaza daily. Have declared tonight that if they dont receive fuel, for example, that they will shut down all their operations. Because fuel wasnt part of the trucks that were allowed. So, as you can imagine, if no fuel enters gaza tomorrow, it will be a catastrophe for all parts of gaza, but specifically for us in the north, as we dont even receive the basic Food Commodities that have been allowed. Mahmoud, thank you very much for taking the time and using that incredibly scarce power to share this with us. Thank you. Thank you, erin. Thank you so much. And, next, a mother, her only child was killed by hamas at that festival. And she has a plea tonight for all of us as she remembers her son. Plus, breaks news of trumps former Chief Of Staff mark meadows striking a deal with federal prosecutors in exchange for damning testimony. This is according to abc news breaking this hour. We well be back. Tonight, a mothers plea for peace. She lost her son in the hamas attack, her only child. She last saw him, his name is laor, inside a bomb shelter after fleeing from the novo music festival. For days, she believed that her 20yearold son had survived but had been kidnapped. Then the tragic news came that leoy had been killed by Hamas Terrorists. But heres the most amazing thing with this incredible loss that she faces, she has a very specific message for all of us. And it is a message of peace. We had the visit of two soldiers and two social workers at his fathers house. I was with his father and his family. The two sisters opened the door, and they started crying and screaming. We all ran immediately. And then they told us. But they had no information about what. And you still dont know even now . No. I still wake up in the middle of the night a few times in horror and terror and dont know what happened to my son. I am speaking very calmly now. But i am my soul is shatter and my heart is broken and theres no way to speak it. His name is how do you say . Laor, to the light. You described him as a gentle giant. Can you tell me more about him and how he was, he was a light when he came into your life. Yeah, when he was born i felt like i received a precious diamond into my hands. That i all i need to do is take care of him and his wellbeing and protect him and keep him safe from the world and i keep getting stories now from that specific party, people, survivors wrote to his father and to me saying initially when the whole mess began he was the one of the first to tell people what to do, to show people the way, to give a glass of water to the scared girls that were with him and, yes, he was he was he is i cant talk about my only son as someone in the past. Hes a gentle, loving, beautiful human being. An incredible gift to be able to be that kind of a person. Yeah, and so its not only that i lost the light and Love Of My Life but the world lost an amazing human being. And i really i really have a message actually for the world if i can Say Something if its okay . Yes. I want to send out a message to the world we need to raise lovers, we need to raise children on love, because my son he was not a fighter. He was raised on love. And the people who attacked him and all the others in this horrible massacre, Heartless Massacre they were not raised on love. No. There are also palestinian mothers who raised their children on love but theyre held hostages over there in gaza. By the hamas. Youre talking with such compassion, where do you find that . Do you have the rage, or have you been able to deal with that . I dont know about rage. I am my heart is broken. And i feel like rage leads to more violence. And i cant bear any more violence in this world. Every mother with a child knows its the greatest gift that any of us will ever have. Wherever youre from. I mean, we know that. But yet for you see that there are grieving mothers on The Other Side of the line. Theres no difference. The palestinian mother of a child and i are the same. Were the same. Shes a mother is a mother. Mother is a mother. Michal told me one thing that she learned about her son after he died she found out he had a girlfriend. She has met this girlfriend. She said it meant so much to know the great gift to know that her son had fallen in love. That was something surely ill never forget. Well be right back. Other breaking news abc news reporting that mark meadows was granted immunity by Special Counsel smith to, telling investigators that trump quote was dishonest when he claimed he won the election. Abc says meadows has met with investigators multiple times. As jenna ellis began to cry when she pled guilty to the Election Subversion Case in fulton county. Now saying she has deep remorse, her words, over representing trump. Michael cohen testified in his civil fraud trial. First time in five years that trump and cohen were in same room. A day full of breaking developments here. What else are we learning about meadows making a deal with the Special Counsel possibly . This deal would be extremely important to the prosecution with this trial thats expected to get started in march of next year. Now we know that meadows of course was in the room, was with the former president during all those times when he was pushing his claims of voter fraud after the 2020 election. We also know that certainly weve reported that meadows did testify to the grand jury in jack smiths investigation, back in june. What abc news is reporting hes met with the Special Counsel at least three times and has provided testimony including to the grand jury and that some of that testimony is damning to the former president saying he was dishonest when he claimed right after the election that he had won and also that he told the former president that, that there was no evidence to support his claims of fraud, of course, erin, we know if indeed this is true that mark meadows wasnt the only one who was telling donald trump that he did not have proof for those fraud claims, something that he was hearing from everyone inside the white house. Erin in. Evan, of course, meadows is one of 18 codefendants in fulton county. Jenna ellis became the fourth person to plead guilty and agree to cooperate and she did emotionally, could we see meadows make a similar deal now that youre seeing this happening again and again. It raises a lot of pressure on meadows and some of the other defendants. We know at this Point Meadows is still contesting that indictment. Still challenging that indictment in the Appeals Court in the federal appeals there in the 11th circuit, its possible between now and whenever that case gets to trial thama