Its apparently the unforgivable sin in todays politics. Working with the other side of the aisle. So unforgivable, in fact, it may earn you the political death penalty. As republicans begin the autopsy on what happened to Kevin Mccarthy, they are now doctoring some of the results. Good evening. Tonight the fallout intense phase after the historic ouster of Kevin Mccarthy as House Speaker. There is a race underway to replace him but even more intense is the blame game. Some republicans are pointing the finger at matt gaetz. Others appointment to mccarthy and the deal that he himself cut to neuter his own power in january. But increasingly, we are hearing more of this. That democrats are the one to blame for not saving mccarthy. The Republican Committee said democrats on the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus have the spine of a boiled noodle of spaghetti. Mccarthy himself echoed that. I think today was a political decision by the democrats. And i think the things they have done in the past hurt the constitution. You cant do the job if eight people, 94 , or 96 of your entire conference, but eight people can partner with the whole other side. How do you govern . Its a really good question. But it is one that i think Kevin Mccarthy should have been asking himself back in january, because it was mccarthy himself who agreed to those hardliner demands by republicans to get the speakership. In the 15th round, i should add. It is also odd that he thinks democrats should be the one to throw him a life line when he greenlit the biden impeachment inquiry. He gave the January 6th Footage to tucker carlson. Just days ago, he blamed democrats for the almost shutdown. The democrats tried to do everything they could they are the ones who voted for this. Did you watch . To keep the ting resolution alive. Did you watch the floor yesterday . Oh, yes. 93 republicans votes against it. As Margaret Brennan said, it was republican whos even prior tom vote that weekend, failed to pass their own bills to fun the government. But if you look at the recent history of republican speakers, the cause of death becomes a little clearer. Mccarthy ousted. Paul ryan quit in disgust over his right flank. John boehner pushed out by the freedom caucus. Dennis hastert spent time in prison after admitting saul abuse. And the hyper partisan Newt Gingrich resigned before his own caucus staged a rebellion. Perhaps the issue isnt actually democrats, but the insatiable thirst for rebellion within the republican conference. Joining me now, congressman ted lu, congressman, thank you for joining us tonight. Speaker mccarthy and his allies have been saying that democrats share blame for his downfall. What is your reaction . Let me say, ive known Kevin Mccarthy a long time. Ever since we were both serving in the california state legislature. He was the son of a firefighters and he rose to occupy the highest legislative office in the land. I wish him well. The notion that somehow democrats would bail out the republicans in this civil war makes no sense. If you remember in january, we voted 15 rounds and every democrat voted for Hakeem Jeffries because we believe Hakeem Jeffries should be speaker and would be a better speaker, and our actions were consistent with having Hakeem Jeffries be speaker. Former Speaker Pelosi and leader hoyer were both kicked out of their capitol offices, these hideaways that they have. It is a privilege that was given and reportedly taken away by speaker mccarthy. What do you make of that move . So House Republicans seem concerned with office space. Democrats want to help pass laws to help american families. We passed the Inflakes Reduction Act to cap insulin at 35 a month and lower the cost of other Prescription Drugs and thats what the American People expect. A functioning government. We are learning tonight that former republican liz cheney reached out to dan goldman ahead of the motion to vacate the vote to stress the danger that mccarthy poses to democracy because of his response to january 6th. Sources say that goldman shared this to the rest of the democratic caucus. What exactly did she say and what was the reaction in the room to that advice from liz cheney . I am not aware of what liz cheney said because i was not a witness to that conversation. I want the explain whats happening. There is a civil war in the House Republican caucus between those who are extreme and those who are very extreme. There are very few left that could join with democrats on a bipartisan path forward, and go democrats stand ready and willing to govern. We just need a partner who is willing to govern. I have to ask you though, what if the tables were turned. Lets hypothetically suppose a democratic speaker found themselves basically on the verge of losing their job because of a tiny minority within the Democratic Party who teamed up with republicans to oust them. Does that scenario, becoming more possible concern you . I think you cant look at this situation without looking at who the speaker actually was. Speaker mccarthy made a deal and then broke it a few weeks laefrlt this was not any deal. This was a deal with the president of the United States that was literally signed into law. And renigs on it and then it brought the country to the brink of a shutdown. If there was a speaker whose word could be trusted, you might have had a difficult result. Speaking of a different speaker, there is now a race for that job in the republican conference. You famously clashed with one of the people up for it. Jim jordan. What do you see when you imagine a world in which jim jordan is the speaker . Is he someone you think you could work with . Democrats, including me, im ready to work with any republican speaker as long as they dont break their word. That they want to element the American People. We stand ready, willing and able. We just need maga extremists to not control it. Weve had that this entire year. We need people to abandon this stream extreme wing. Do you think you can work with jim jrd specifically . Yes. I can work with any speaker provided they tell the truth and want to work on a bipartisan path Going Forward. Im fine to work with any member. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. Lets continue this conversation with chris wallace. So republicans are blaming democrats for the fact that mccarthy no longer has a job. Do you think that they share some blame hear . The democrats . No. Its not their job to save the republican speaker. Can you imagine if nancy pelosi was in trouble, back when she was speaker, and they were counting on republicans to bail her out . Yeah. Not in a million years. Theres plenty of legitimate bad blood between republicans and democrats. Remember, it was Kevin Mccarthy had a right after january 6th said that donald trump was responsible for what that happened and then he was down in maralago kissing the former president s ring. So there was not a lot of love lost between the democrats and Kevin Mccarthy. Not to say they would oust him but they werent going to save him. Yeah. I think a republican leader who authorized helping a democratic leader in that same position would have lost their jobs as a result of doing that. Now that we dont know who will come next after mccarthy, do you think theres any world in which democrats might come to regret not trying to encourage mccarthy to make a deal with them in order to save his speakership . He couldnt have. Had he made a deal with the democrats, had he said ill give you these concessions, and well try to rule as a bipartisan unity coalition, it might have worked for a little time. It would have so cratered his base inside the gop conference that you wouldnt have had eight republicans calling for his ouster. It would have been dozens. So at that point, when there was, you know, there was more than the delta taken with the majority and the number of republicans who wanted him out, there was just no way he would save the speakership. I think youre right about that. So now we have two candidates had a have officially announced they are running for speaker. One is Steve Scalise. The other is congressman jim jordan who heads up, some of the hunter biden probes, known as a Flame Thrower into the house. Kevin hearn who is a congressman is keeping his options open. Where do you think this lands . Who do you think has the momentum at their backs at this point . Well, i think first of all, it will be really hard to get a twoway team. I would think between scalise and ready enjoy, theyll split the conference. Remember, there are just a couple more, four or 5 votes beyond that. If you get a sasable number for both of them, no one will be anywhere near. And thats one of the reasons mccarthy was elected back in january in the first place. He was the only one out there who could get 218 votes. I mean, unless one of them gives way, i think it will be a long difficult process. We may look back at last january when there were 15 rounds and say that was easy. That was a tea party compared to what well face this time around. On a logical basis, you would say Steve Scalise has a lot of support within the conference. One of the things that he faces is real questions about his health. Because of the fact, he survived that shooting back if 2017. Now hes fighting multiple myeloma. That would be one of the questions. Does he have the vigor to run the house and to go out and raise a lot of money for 2024. Yeah. Its a very important question. One that i know is being asked over on capitol hill as well as the process goes through. Everybody needs to hold on. This could take some time even if it just gets started next week. If jim jordan stands speaker, u. S. Aid to ukraine could be in serious jeopardy. What that would may not for the ongoing war. Plus, see what happened when chris confronts oliver stone about his interviews with Vladimir Putin. And the war of words is getting fairy as the new York Attorney general fires back at donald trump during a fraud trial. What about ukraine . Are you willing the move forward with an aid package to ukraine . Im against that. At some point well have to deal with this Appropriation Process in the right way. 41 days. The most pressing issue on americans minds is not ukraine. It is the border situation and crime on the street. That there was House Speaker candidate jim jordan making clear that he is not in favor of new aid for ukraine. And that casts a dark cloud over the fate of ukraine as the funds quickly dry up. So the question now is, will this all play into Vladimir Putins hands . Chris wallace is back with me now. U. S. Aid now, i think more than perhaps at any point since this war has begun seems to really be on the line. And it certainly seems to hinge in part on who takes over as speaker of the house. What do you think this all means for the trajectory of this war Going Forward . It couldnt be more serious. You know, theres a few billion dollars in the pipeline still that the pentagon has from flier appropriations. So ukraine is not out of money in terms of u. S. Military aid yet. But one of the Top White House officials the other day said it could be a few more weeks. It could be a few more months. Clearly by the end of the year, if there is no new injection of funds by congress, ukraine will lose its support. Not from europe but from the u. S. And that would very much jeopardize the situation. What is most distressing, that Vladimir Putin, and its been clear from people inside the kremlin, has been counting on the fact that he can outlast the west and outlast the United States. That we will tire of supporting the war in ukraine. That therefore, hell be able to eventually win the long war because of the fact that the west, its support for ukraine will flag. Along those lines, on whos talking this last week, i talked to oliver stone, the famous film director. A couple years ago, he did a series of interviews with Vladimir Putin that were criticized for being soft. Lets look at that exchange. I think it is fair to say that you are most controversial these days for a series of interviews that you did with Vladimir Putin over a couple of years in the mid 2010s, in which youve been Citizen Sased for being too friendly and even flaunting. Why didnt you challenge putin more in those . Im sorry. Thats absolute look at the fourth hour. This is in the fourth hour. Constantly i am pushing it in this interview. But do you challenge it . Sometimes you have to play it to get the interview. I understand. When you get to sit down with a dictator, why would you want to tiptoe around the fact that he has been accused of killing his political opponents . Accused, okay . Ive never seen hard evidence of that. Are you really sitting hear, oliver, saying you think that putin has been unjustly accused . Im saying of attacking or killing his political opponents . I have to ask you, whats the motive tad this . Because hes a dictator and he doesnt like people who are a threat. Thats a little simplistic. You said this summer, that putin is not the monster that he has been portrayed by american propaganda. Really . Youre going about this all wrong. Youre not even giving the guy a break. Im not giving who a break . Im talking about putin. Youre blaming him for, what is he doing . To the russian people. Think about it. The question i would ask you, why are you giving why are you siding with Vladimir Putin . Im not siding with anybody. And thats the point. Just as you saw oliver stone talking about, lets give Vladimir Putin a break. I dont know that anybody in the congress will go that far. But you know, with all the competing interests, like as jim jordan said, like immigration, crime, various issues in this country, there certainly is, among House Republicans, not senate republicans, ninishing support for continuing to finance the war in ukraine. First, that interview was eyeopening. It is shocking to hear how he talks about this. To your point, support, or lack of support for putin has become tied to partisanship which is a new phenomenon in this country. I think thats whats playing out on capitol hill. Chris wallace, thank you for joining us. Thank you. Good to be hear. And you can catch his show on max. Up next, despite being under a limited gag order, donald trump continues to attack the officials in his fraud trial. Tonight, theyre fighting back. Plus, during one of trumps courthouse rants, did he just admit to Business Fraud . From chrome to duckduckgo. Duckduckgo is a browser you download to your mobile and desktop devices. Unlike chrome, the Duckduckgo Browser has privacy builtin. It comes with a private alternative to google search, which doesnâ– t spy on your searches, and it blocks cookies and creepy ads. And theres no catch. Its free. We make money from ads, but they dont follow you around. Join the millions of people taking back their privacy by Downloading Duckduckgo On Mobile and desktop today. Donald trump has essentially turn his fraud trial into a Campaign Stop this week and Letitia James has basically had enough. The new York Attorney general is striking back at trumps Insult Parade During Happearances in a new york courthouse. Hes already received a gag order for attacking clerks. We have a prosecutor, Letitia James is incompetent. She did this because she was running for governor. I will not be bullied so the donald trump show is over. This was nothing more than a political stunt. A fundraising stop. Mr. Trumps comments were offensive, baseless. They were comments that unfortunately lamented violence. Despite that one gag order that has already been issued, it does not look like trump will stop lashing out at anyone any time soon. So what does this all may not for his trial that is ongoing . I want to bring in the former january 6th lawyer, and the former federal prosecutor. Lets start with trump. What do you make of the fact that he keeps going there . Letitia james called it basically racist. What do you make of what happens next here . He will keep pushing. He will keep trying to delegitimize proceedings, and pushing and pushing and pushing, knowing that the judge really doesnt want to impose the punishment that has been threatened and hell keep pushing until the moment that judge does, and even then, maybe he wont stop. And james has really put trump if her sights. And trump has accused her of doing it for political reasons. That was a pretty strong statement. She didnt have to make any statement at all. What do you make of that decision . President trump commands a lot of attention. And i think Attorney General james is concerned about whats happening outside the courtroom. Thats where the former president has control, frankly, because he often sets the tone. I think shes made the estimation thats important for her that shes challenging his attacks on the legitimacy of her investigation, the Justice System as put forward in her case. So i dont want to weigh in whether it is good or bad but i think shes made the estimation. Did she just give trump what he wants, which is a reaction in. In a sense, engaging with him publicly, outside the court ram door rather than inside. Youre on his turf in a way. But shes showing that hes tough, too. She can give back in an appropriate way. I dont think she said anything inappropriate for someone in her position, for a public servant. You can see how it could merit some response. Im going to play a little more of what trump said today. This was an eyebrow raising comment. Take a listen. My financial documents are valued. Less than my actual value which nobody even knows. The financial documents that i gave to the bank are much less than my actual net worth. So therefore, i gave them to the bank. It cant be a fraud because i gave them lower numbers. Im probably one of the only people ever to seek a loan. I didnt even need the loan. You see the kind of cash i have. I didnt even need loans. Honestly, im watching his lawyers faces behind him. Theyre like, okay. What did he just admit to . Its hard to follow. And it is hard to know what he admitted to. I think what we saw there was the result of a lot of pressure. Pressure that is starting to get to him. Pressure affecting his livelihood, his freedom, his family. Because that didnt make a lot of sense. Is it the exoneration he thinks it is . Clearly not. Hes admitting to putting forth false financial statements. Somehow that would hurt him in a financial sense. What is important is the Investigation Gathering Process for all the cases is not over. By that i men, when you are the target, the defendant in a case and you are making public statements, those can and will be used against you. So for example, when the former president come out and talks about his cases. Those prosecutors are looking at each word hes saying. So thats important in a civil case. Because money is on the line. To the extent the former president does this as it pertains to his criminal cases, the prosecutors, i guarantee you, will use those words against him. I think there is a rain hes been a bit more careful with his criminal cases and speaking about the subjects there. But this is dangerous territory. Each word, each slip of a tongue, that could be a confession in a way. That will come back in court. What youre saying makes me wonder. This is about financial penalties at the end of the day. This trial. Is he betting that the judge will not penalize him because hes a former president . He can say whatever he wants . And it will look like retribution if he attacks him too. And the judge, you know, penalizes him at the end of the day because of that . I think he does seem to be trying to push the judge into reacting. Maybe it is because he thinks the judge wont, or maybe because if the judge finally does, he has a better argument on appeal that hes being treated unfairly. Thats a good point. There are appeals in all of this, too. Thank you both very much. Up next for us, a wild attack on an uber driver by a biker. See what happened as it fuels the conversation about crime in america. Plus, new tonight, cnn is learning that the president s Dog Commander has been involved in more biting incidents than had been previously reported. A disturbing attack on an uber driver and an arrest in that case only intensifying this conversation about crime in america. Take a look at this video. It shows a biker in Philly Climbing off his bike and then smashing into the Back Windshield of a womans car. She exits the car and promise him, that promise him to pull a gun on her. All of this happened while her children were in the back seat. Nicky told the affiliate im just grateful that my kids are okay. There is not a scratch on them. Here with me, a radio host and author of ten lives, ten demands, life and death stories and a black activist blue print for racial justice. Also with me, republican congressman from pennsylvania. This story really caught may eye. For two reasons. One, this woman is an uber driver, a working class person. A child was in the car. It is seemingly random. Violent crime, a gun pointed directly at her face. When we talk about crime, it often gets politicized but i think about that, women like go that who are often the victims. Whats going on . I think peoples behavior has changed. When the pandemic hit, some of the social niceties kind disap disappeared. Weve always had problems with motor bikes and atvs. Its a minor nuisance. This kind of behavior is different. You havent seen people jumping on peoples cars, kicking out windshields, putting guns in their faces. I think there is a difference in what people can get away with and they do it because they can. And in this case, thankfully, this guy was caught. I think it is a difference in peoples mindset. Charlie . I have two kids who live in philadelphia. Nevertheless, weve seen this firsthand. My son, i saw his wheels stolen off his car several months ago. My daughter got assaulted downtown just walking from the hospital back to her apartment. My niece lives in the neighborhood where there are carjackings going on ransomly. We saw this horrific incident on television. I think part of it is, like he said, it is the pandemic. But i think in philadelphia, too many of the local officials do not support local Law Enforcement starting with the district attorney. And i think thats not a small part of this problem. And we see other ransom acts. You mentioned the four wheelers, people would drive around with these four wheelers in the center of the Business District making a racket. I walked up to two Police Officers. Why dont we end force this . He said were not permitted to enforce. I think thats a little bit off. Theyre not permitted to chase them. It would be a danger to people in the neighborhood. Imagine, a highspeed chase with an atv. Look at what happened in philly a couple weeks ago. The almost flash mob style looting, the robberies happening. The city is like a lot of cities. It is struggling to deal with this. A lot of it is perpetrated by teens. Young people who are engaging in, in some cases, extremely Violent Crimes. That might seem like Property Crimes on the surface but can lead to serious injury or death. I think one of the things that happened with that particular instance is that youve had a Police Officer who killed somebody in his car who was sitting in his car with a knife who couldnt speak english. His windows were rolled up. His doors were locked. The Police Officer shot him six time through the car window. Lied about it and then a judge dropped all the charges. That started that whole incident. The police did say they didnt think the robberies were connected to it. Then what happens with a lot of the gatherings, the atvs, the motor bikes, the looting, et cetera. A lot of that is arranged on social media. So you had someone on social media who they arrested because this person live streamed the whole thing. What i found ironic was that the Police Officer who actually murdered somebody, they dropped all the charges. But this person who livestreamed this looting, they threw book at her. So i think theres a sense of injustice with people. I also think that theres some opportunists that take advantage of that anger and those situations. A couple days ago, congressman Henry Cuellar was the victim of an armed carjacking in washington, d. C. Hes not even the first member of congress. Right. From philadelphia, carjacked. And another congresswoman was nearly assaulted in an elevator by an armed man with a navy. All of that to say, something is happening in the country. And i want to put to the side for a second the debate over the numbers. Something is happening where people are experiencing crime and it has become so politicized in washington, it seems like nobody is talking about Real Solutions here. Well, yeah. But the consequences to all this. You go to the stores in philadelphia. To go buy toothpaste, they have to unlock the case to give you toothpaste. The stores are closing. Popular stores are it shoulding down. When you listen to republicans, they say it is all about supporting Law Enforcement. But supporting Law Enforcement has nothing to do with whether people are stealing toothpaste from cvs. I have felt for some time that Law Enforcement doesnt feel like theyre being supported by many local officials. Im not saying thats the case with every local official in philadelphia, but attempt. Starting with the district attorney. They have not prosecuted a lot of violent crime. You can talk to the people who worked in that d. A. s office about what a shambles it is. At some point, the d. A. Needs to lead and provide justice and help Crime Victims and their families. Theres a lot of these Crime Victims are ordinary people trying to go about their lives. It is really horrendous. Any truth to this idea that, you know, theres obviously a concern about criminal justice. And making sure that people are not unduly punished, disproportionate to the crime they committed. Is there any truth to the idea that there might need to be more enforcement. Even seemingly petty crimes in this kind of environment. I think part of what is happening in philadelphia is that you have a drug problem thats out of control. You have people who are in an area called kensington. It is like this open Air Drug Market that youve never seen in your life who are going around the city and doing all kinds of thing to support their drug habits. You cant blame larry for that. Hes not putting the needle in their article, hes not putting the drugs in their veins. Theyre doing that. So i think part of what needs to happen is that we need to stop trying to blame one person and we need to really attack the problems that are leading to some of the claim that is happening in philadelphia and beyond. I think people feel there is injustice. People feel that theres one set of laws for some people and one set of laws for others. So when people feel that way, they will not obey the law. They dont think that it is just. I think you have to address that first rather than saying it is all on one person when its not. Its not all on one person. Thats what charles is saying. I think hes largely responsible for the failure to endorse a lot of the Violent Crimes are properly prosecuted. I just saw another guy who committed a crime who had killed somebody. Hes out on the streets. This is very common, unfortunately, in philadelphia today. I know abraham. A very good district attorney. They took their role seriously as Law Enforcement officers and prosecuted violent, serious crime. First you have to arrest the person before you can prosecute. When you have the low clearance rates we have in philadelphia, you cant praut somebody that hasnt been arrested. What you find is when people are par, people of color, the crimes arent solved because nobody is arrested. So you cant praosecute when yo dont arrest. I dont know if it makes me crazy but i wonder if theres a solution here in which you both get cooperation on the streets and you treat People Fairly in the system. You can do both things at the same time. The conversation never seems to get there. You just show the video. Where that crime occurred, where that terrible person jumped on the car and smashed the windshield. Thats right by city hall. Right in the central Business District. Ive seen videos of people driving, doing doughnuts right. In area. Even around police cars. I cant understand what is happening. Maybe this is pandemic related. This will lawlessness. Its horrible. What were witnessing. You want to talk about solutions, i think there are a couple. City council is looking at using drones in order to first spot crime and then prevent it. You have the Police Department talking about social media. Theres so many criminal behavior. Right now, solomon and charles, thank you both very much. Were learning tonight that biden and his, or bidens 2yearold German ShepherdDog Commander has apparently been biting a lot more people at the white house than we previously knew. So what is going on here . We have a professional dog trainer who has some answers for us, coming up next. Plus, the ironic name calling by Aaron Rodgers by travis kelce involving the covid vaccine. It appears that commander has been added again and again. Cnn has learned that the president and first ladys twoyearold German Shepherd has been involved more biting incidents and we previously knew. The Secret Service has acknowledged just 11 bites. But according to sources, the real number is higher, and it includes white house workers and executive residents with me now is matt by isner, a certified professional dog trainer. Matt, i love a biting incidents alone is i think, for most dogs, a real problem. If that number is higher, what would you do in a situation like this. What should the bidens do . First, i want to thank you for having me on. I want to extend my empathy and compassion for president and dr. Biden and staff, and the dog, and people this is obviously not an easy experience for anybody. And because there is a risk, and the sensitivity to that is particularly important. What i would want to look at is, what might be happening in the environment that might be predicting or contributing to this type of behavior. Generally speaking, from an evidence based standpoint behavior is functional. So, if i work backwards from there, what is, quote, working about this behavior for commander . And it seems like there is a lot of other support to be had that may be specific to who this dog is as a sentiment being, and what kind of adjustments can be made and the Sentiment Environment that and it seems like also the Secret Service has been a particular target of commander. What do you think could be triggering him there . I think one of the things that are wonderful about German Shepherds, their loyalty, their acute awareness to changes in the environment. Its not unusual for a German Shepherd to be highly sensitive to changes in sight, sound, or movement. Sometimes somebody it is not a coincidence that i get the chance to speak with you. I was in love with dogs. When i was a kid, i got bit on halloween by a German Shepherd. So, i would spend more time better support the animals as they feel compelled to behave that. Way yeah, a really difficult questions. German shepherds are notoriously protective, but when that behavior ends up injuring people, it becomes a real problem. As you pointed out, nobody wants anything bad to happen to either the people in the white house with two commander, either. Matt beisner, thank you so much for sharing that with us. Thank you for your time. And im happy to offer my services. New tonight, cnn is learning that liz cheney leads cheney played a role in Kevin Mccarthys plus, jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers is taking shots at another nfl player for getting shot, and theres a lot of irony involved. We will explain, next. Aaron rodgers hes taking some potshots at a fellow player while he is out with an injury. The nfl star went after travis kelce, who, we should note, after is dating taylor swift spread well and pat didnt have a crazy game. And mr. Pfizer, we kind of shut him down and crazy impact game over 2 yards and stuff. Now, rodgers famously refused to get the covid vaccine, and hes accused of misleading the league about his vaccination status. But the irony here is that rodgers works for one of the errors heirs of a big farm of the Johnson Johnson empire. So, essentially, he is taking a paycheck from the very man whose wealth comes from the Worlds Pharmaceutical Powers that he is denouncing. Laura, some people dont have a sense of irony. Luckily, why we are here. We will do the irony. I am just glad that you dont want me to talk about taylor swift right now. You can. No, no. Thank you so, much abby. So nice to